JJ SMITH 10 DAY GREEN SMOOTHIE CLEANSE
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I have to be honest here...
So much of what I thought I knew about "dieting" has been disproved by scientific studies and are generally "diet" myths that keep getting repeated by bloggers, new members, ill informed journalist and some even in the "diet & fitness" areas.
I would have never learned about these myths/broscience until I came on mfp forums. I've even been able to learn from what some call "snarky/mean" posts. One needs to look at WHAT posters are saying and not always HOW they say it. Remember the long time posters see the same new questions day in and day out from newbie's and perhaps they do tend to get a little direct.
Keep looking around in the forums there is a wealth of experience, knowledge and free help.
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Ok let's step back.
Tammys_130 I apologize if I said something that offended you. I am glad you found success with the cleanse.
However, if I see bad information, such as cleanses or detoxes remove toxins or jump start metabolism or any other puesdoscience I will comment on it and point that it is incorrect.
There is a big difference between saying, "I found success with this program" and "I found success with this program because it reset my metabolism and the greens cleansed toxins:".
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tammys_130 wrote: »I continue to be amazed by your comments even after the moderators post. I don't appreciate being attacked like I personally wrote the book. If any of you actually took the time to read my posts you would see that I did NOT do a cleanse and don't promote cleansing or juicing or fads, etc... For the 4th time, I utilized information from her book to incorporate more greens (in the form of smoothies) in my diet as well as learning about ways to remove food/waste from my body. I consult with my doctor and a nutritionist and both were supportive of my dietary changes, including the smoothies. So stop insinuating things I never said (like I did a cleanse or drink a green smoothie just to release toxins, etc...) and take the time to stop being so critical and read what I actually write. I used the book as a tool, not a sole tool but one of many. You act like your opinions are the only ones that matter.
If your goal is to discourage people from expressing themselves on this forum then you have succeeded in doing so with me. It's not simply a person being sensitive but a matter of respect. Now I am left with a very negative feeling about this app and definitely do not like the so called "community" atmosphere some of you create. I may look to another app to track my food and fitness in because the atmosphere here is too disrespectful and critical.
I really wish some of you would consider there is an actual person behind every post. It truly is sad people treat others this way as if they are right about everything and don't even bother to read what I had said to be a personal experience.
I'm completely done with wasting my time on responding anymore. Some of you have nothing better to do than say thing I didn't say, assume things I didn't do and drill me like I authored the book. So please get off my case and find something better to do with your time. You have done enough damage to me.
I enjoy incorporating smoothies into my diet. Usually happens when I am working the early shift, because I'm too lazy to get up and cook breakfast. It keeps me feeling full until my first break of the day, plus helps me reach my nutritional targets.
As for the rest, I'm not going there. I get that it's hard to not take it personally when someone suggests that what you believe in is actually not backed with scientific evidence. There is so many amazing people here, who have made my life better by leaps and bounds bringing factual information into the equation. Maybe step away from this thread for a day or two and then reread it (preferably with a Donald Duck accent to remove any perception of tone). It may seem different to you then.7 -
tammys_130 wrote: »I don't appreciate being attacked like I personally wrote the book.
No one has "attacked" you. People are responding to the book. The quotations from it were presumably presented by you for discussion, no? Specifically, as evidence of what the book asserts?you would see that I did NOT do a cleanse
Again, I don't see anyone concerned with what you did or did not do.I utilized information from her book to incorporate more greens (in the form of smoothies) in my diet
And that's fine. I am a huge fan of eating greens, although I am not sure why a smoothie would be needed for this purpose. That said, I enjoy smoothies for breakfast sometimes and mine are largely vegetable-based, with greens. I USE them for a quick breakfast that meets my nutritional goals and tastes good, and INCLUDE them in my diet for that purpose. I have no issues with anyone else doing that, if they also enjoy them -- why would I. I do have issues with the terrible and ridiculous claims made by the author of the book in question (which you helpfully quoted for us), and I am glad others are challenging them and explaining why they are wrong, although I personally just responded to one particularly ridiculous bit. (Not only is toning the digestive system not a thing, but we digest smoothies just like we digest foods we chew and eat rather than drink. In fact, one criticism of the smoothie fad by Thomas Campbell (who I don't entirely agree with on this or on various other things) is that chewing is helpful in signalling the start of the digestion process.)as well as learning about ways to remove food/waste from my body.
See, this is one of the scammy things used by some to promote "cleanses" and I am sorry if you were taken in by it. It's not true that we have lots of difficult to remove waste in our bodies that we must "cleanse" to deal with.
I also often think for some the attraction to "cleanses" or "detoxes" is that they are suffering from constipation, and that really has nothing to do with toxins or the like. Possible you don't get enough fiber, of course, but there are lots of ways to up your fiber (which I think is a good idea for many who have low fiber, not all) besides green smoothies. But again, I'm not at all against smoothies, just "cleansing" and "detox" and false claims.I may look to another app to track my food and fitness in because the atmosphere here is too disrespectful and critical.
The best tracking available is on Cronometer, IMO, although it works best if you mainly eat whole foods, as I do. That's where I mostly track these days when I do. The benefits of MFP is the ability to join groups, make friends and support each other on the Facebook-like page, maybe the blogging if you do it (I don't and find it difficult to search so far), and the forums which have good information as well as bad and are fun and can involve interesting debates. You won't like the latter, though, if you find disagreement to be inherently "hurtful" as it seems. (I am interested that you use the term "hurtful" as I would not and find it to be a quite over-the-top response to disagreement, and we are of similar ages. Back in the late '80s and early '90s when I was in college (NESCAC) and early to mid '90s when I was in law school (Big 10), that was certainly not a term that would have been acceptable to use to respond to debate.I really wish some of you would consider there is an actual person behind every post. It truly is sad people treat others this way as if they are right about everything and don't even bother to read what I had said to be a personal experience.
No one treated YOU negatively. Why do you personalize disagreement with a book you quoted from? That almost seems like an effort to silence contrary opinion. I would hope that's not the intent.17 -
tammys_130 wrote: »Funny because I thought forums were for sharing of information.
About that word "information": Information is supposed to be facts. When someone creates or propagates the fear of imaginary conditions in order to make money, that's not information. Your sharing it isn't sharing information, even if you believe it to be true.
People aren't attacking you. They're attacking the book and its author. In doing so, they've given YOU information. If you're feeling hurt because the book was attacked, you've invested too much emotion in said book (emotions like fear are how the author makes money, btw).13 -
tammys_130 wrote: »Not even worth my responses either. Bunch of closed minded know it alls who apparently must have degrees in nutrition themselves or be dietitians, etc... Guess one is not allowed to express their opinion or personal experiences on here without being critiqued by strong minded individuals who can't at least have replies that are not sarcastic or judgmental.
Have a great day and I wish for positive vibes to come your way. How you treat others is a reflection of you and will be your kharma. Thank you all for making me feel so horrible about posting on here.
I don't believe in karma....
...or detox smoothies.10 -
tammys_130 wrote: »Funny because I thought forums were for sharing of information... It is my personal experience only and solely my opinions.
So you shared some information and some opinions. Others, in return, shared some information and gave their opinions. The majority of opinions disagreed with yours, and the information presented a lot of very good reasons to why the information you shared was incorrect.
I don't see the problem. This seems like a productive conversation to me. What sort of response would you have found acceptable? Nothing short of unquestioning agreement? That's not information sharing and it's not supportive. If I posted incorrect information, I would want to be told - and if I posted opinions, I would expect others to respond honestly with their own, not lie about their real opinion in order to flatter me. Disagreement is not attack.11 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »tammys_130 wrote: »Funny because I thought forums were for sharing of information... It is my personal experience only and solely my opinions.
So you shared some information and some opinions. Others, in return, shared some information and gave their opinions. The majority of opinions disagreed with yours, and the information presented a lot of very good reasons to why the information you shared was incorrect.
I don't see the problem. This seems like a productive conversation to me. What sort of response would you have found acceptable? Nothing short of unquestioning agreement? That's not information sharing and it's not supportive. If I posted incorrect information, I would want to be told - and if I posted opinions, I would expect others to respond honestly with their own, not lie about their real opinion in order to flatter me. Disagreement is not attack.
Tammy has left the building
I was curious to know if she was one of Smith's 'GSC Leaders', but ah well, hope she does have continued success in what she does. And if she doesn't-she knows where to find us know it alls 
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crzycatlady1 wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »tammys_130 wrote: »Funny because I thought forums were for sharing of information... It is my personal experience only and solely my opinions.
So you shared some information and some opinions. Others, in return, shared some information and gave their opinions. The majority of opinions disagreed with yours, and the information presented a lot of very good reasons to why the information you shared was incorrect.
I don't see the problem. This seems like a productive conversation to me. What sort of response would you have found acceptable? Nothing short of unquestioning agreement? That's not information sharing and it's not supportive. If I posted incorrect information, I would want to be told - and if I posted opinions, I would expect others to respond honestly with their own, not lie about their real opinion in order to flatter me. Disagreement is not attack.
Tammy has left the building I was curious to know if she was one of Smith's 'GSC Leaders', but ah well, hope she does have continued success in what she does. And if she doesn't-she knows where to find us know it alls
Another rage quit from someone who really only wanted to hear their own opinion echoed back in a different voice. <sigh>
But for any new members here who are trying to sort through the myriad of information available - both good and bad - I hope this thread has helped dispel at least some of the myths surrounding 'cleanses.'
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cerise_noir wrote: »tammys_130 wrote: »"Our body naturally tries to eliminate toxins, but overexposure to any of them will slow down the body’s detoxification systems. The reality is that you can assist the body in detoxifying and eliminating toxins that cause weight gain and harm your health. You can and should detoxify and cleanse the body if you want to live better and live longer. After your body utilizes nutrients from the food you eat, it must dispose of the unused food particles and waste produced by the digestive process. Without proper and complete elimination, undigested food can back up and leave toxins and waste in your body. But thanks to green smoothies, you can get the fiber you need to cleanse your body, tone your digestive system, and eliminate toxins.”
“Although our bodies have the ability to eliminate toxins, it’s when the body gets overloaded with toxins that it stores them in fat cells. Fat cells don’t get broken down very easily, so they literally weigh down the body and make it bigger.”
Excerpts From: Smith, J.J. “10-Day Green Smoothie Cleanse.” Atria Books. iBooks.
Just my opinion but think some of you are being a bit too critical. Just because something isn't for you doesn't mean it isn't great for someone else. I came across JJ Smiths book when searching for Green Smoothie recipes, as I wanted to incorporate more of these into my diet. I very loosely followed the plan along with high protein meals as well as shakes (since I drink protein shakes after workouts). She doesn't say you have to strictly do the cleanse and gives information how to modify. The author is a certified nutritionist and explains in great detail the importance of greens in your diet as well as the elimination of foods out of your system. This book is about a lifestyle change, which is key to any success to weight loss and good health. Personally, I found the book to be extremely helpful for more than just some recipes. You can't assume we all have healthy functioning livers and colons, etc... and that our bodies are just going to naturally do all the work for us. For some of us we need to get our bodies to that stage so that we can enjoy that healthy functioning and this book helped me to do that. I did not lose a ton of weight but instead learned how to change what I eat, how it affects me and how to make sure it is eliminated properly. I lose about 1 pound a week. Is it completely because of this book? No, but I credit it with giving me a good basis to start with and educating me as to how to change my lifestyle. To me, that is important. If this or anything else helps someone on the path to better health and weight loss then all the power to them. If you feel it's not for you, then just do you.
Except from a book one must buy. Yeah, legit AF.
Yeah, strong first post, indeed. How about some actual scientific studies? Any bozo can write a book.
And claim to be a "nutritionist" I could be one tomorrow... no make that today.3 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »
But never cleanse free.cerise_noir wrote: »And yet, mfp is......free.
And the New Year is coming.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Have not been here that long so I can only imagine what it must be like. Might have to take a bit of a break so my head doesn't explode.
I usually leave the boards around February because of the mass redundancy of crash diet, juicing, and the start of the "I need to lose 50 pounds by June because I bought a wedding dress two sizes too small" threads. I come back just in time for the "how to manage the holidays" threads.
I suspect half of those posts are shills but I'm just an experienced cynic whose seen this all before so don't mind me.
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tammys_130 wrote: »Funny because I thought forums were for sharing of information.
Yes, it's called "sharing" meaning you can speak and others can disagree and that's called a "debate", "sharing", "exchange" or whatever else, but the minute you start attacking everyone else you have declared that you are closed minded and won't be swayed. Either way most of us are just ignoring you. Also, if you decide to attack everyone else as closed minded etc don't get excited when people play back at you and then claim you are being attacked. Provocative behavior tends to provoke.6 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »tammys_130 wrote: »Funny because I thought forums were for sharing of information... It is my personal experience only and solely my opinions.
So you shared some information and some opinions. Others, in return, shared some information and gave their opinions. The majority of opinions disagreed with yours, and the information presented a lot of very good reasons to why the information you shared was incorrect.
I don't see the problem. This seems like a productive conversation to me. What sort of response would you have found acceptable? Nothing short of unquestioning agreement? That's not information sharing and it's not supportive. If I posted incorrect information, I would want to be told - and if I posted opinions, I would expect others to respond honestly with their own, not lie about their real opinion in order to flatter me. Disagreement is not attack.
Tammy has left the building I was curious to know if she was one of Smith's 'GSC Leaders', but ah well, hope she does have continued success in what she does. And if she doesn't-she knows where to find us know it alls
She's an obvious shill or true believer, but it's so hard to tell the difference between them.2 -
vetsnatural wrote: »I am currently on day 7 of the JJ Smith 10 day cleanse I can say that it has gotten me out of my Sugar/bread/meat cravings and I feel good. I am doing the full cleanse for 10 days then going to do the modified cleanse which is two smoothies and snacks and 1 clean meal. I think I have gotten control of my eating habits and I am ready to continue this lifestyle change of eating cleaner and staying away from foods that are unhealthy or at least being able to control my eating habits. I also plan on staying with a paleo with minimal dairy low carb clean eating lifestyle. Am I trying to do to much too soon?
I think I understand what you mean when you say "cleanse" your not saying detoxing, the "cleanse" is more "mindful" and it is keeping you away from the foods you crave, its a healthier option that will assist in breaking of a habit of unhealthy food. I say good for you. You know yourself better than anyone and what will work for you. Good luck, I too am trying down thirty something lbs now. Still have a way to go.0 -
vetsnatural wrote: »I am currently on day 7 of the JJ Smith 10 day cleanse I can say that it has gotten me out of my Sugar/bread/meat cravings and I feel good. I am doing the full cleanse for 10 days then going to do the modified cleanse which is two smoothies and snacks and 1 clean meal. I think I have gotten control of my eating habits and I am ready to continue this lifestyle change of eating cleaner and staying away from foods that are unhealthy or at least being able to control my eating habits. I also plan on staying with a paleo with minimal dairy low carb clean eating lifestyle. Am I trying to do to much too soon?
I think I understand what you mean when you say "cleanse" your not saying detoxing, the "cleanse" is more "mindful" and it is keeping you away from the foods you crave, its a healthier option that will assist in breaking of a habit of unhealthy food. I say good for you. You know yourself better than anyone and what will work for you. Good luck, I too am trying down thirty something lbs now. Still have a way to go.
The best way to be "mindful" in a meaningful and long-term way is to really get to know your nutritional needs and your habits that have caused you to become overweight and then seek to correct them. These cleanse/detox/fat melt or whatever other buzzword that gets slapped on them do not address the underlying issues that you mention so really don't perform any useful function if that's what you are after.
I wish you success on your weight loss, but more than that I wish you success in finding out what it is you need to in order to maintain that weight loss once you get there. Good luck.5 -
vetsnatural wrote: »I am currently on day 7 of the JJ Smith 10 day cleanse I can say that it has gotten me out of my Sugar/bread/meat cravings and I feel good. I am doing the full cleanse for 10 days then going to do the modified cleanse which is two smoothies and snacks and 1 clean meal. I think I have gotten control of my eating habits and I am ready to continue this lifestyle change of eating cleaner and staying away from foods that are unhealthy or at least being able to control my eating habits. I also plan on staying with a paleo with minimal dairy low carb clean eating lifestyle. Am I trying to do to much too soon?
I think I understand what you mean when you say "cleanse" your not saying detoxing, the "cleanse" is more "mindful" and it is keeping you away from the foods you crave, its a healthier option that will assist in breaking of a habit of unhealthy food. I say good for you. You know yourself better than anyone and what will work for you. Good luck, I too am trying down thirty something lbs now. Still have a way to go.
See, I choose not to demonize food - good, bad, healthy, unhealthy. Food is just food. If I stay within my caloric allotment and meet my macros each day, what I ate to achieve that is of little significance. If I choose to occasionally blow the bank on a pizza or a burger and fries, all it means is that I'll have to scale back in other areas that day.
For me, thinking of any food as bad or forbidden is a sure-fire way to make me want it all the more. So I include treats in my plan every day, which helps me adhere to my goals without cravings or binging.
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vetsnatural wrote: »I am currently on day 7 of the JJ Smith 10 day cleanse I can say that it has gotten me out of my Sugar/bread/meat cravings and I feel good. I am doing the full cleanse for 10 days then going to do the modified cleanse which is two smoothies and snacks and 1 clean meal. I think I have gotten control of my eating habits and I am ready to continue this lifestyle change of eating cleaner and staying away from foods that are unhealthy or at least being able to control my eating habits. I also plan on staying with a paleo with minimal dairy low carb clean eating lifestyle. Am I trying to do to much too soon?
I think I understand what you mean when you say "cleanse" your not saying detoxing, the "cleanse" is more "mindful" and it is keeping you away from the foods you crave, its a healthier option that will assist in breaking of a habit of unhealthy food. I say good for you. You know yourself better than anyone and what will work for you. Good luck, I too am trying down thirty something lbs now. Still have a way to go.
There is no unhealthy food, only unhealthy diets and unhealthy eating habits...6 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »tammys_130 wrote: »Not even worth my responses either. Bunch of closed minded know it alls who apparently must have degrees in nutrition themselves or be dietitians, etc... Guess one is not allowed to express their opinion or personal experiences on here without being critiqued by strong minded individuals who can't at least have replies that are not sarcastic or judgmental.
Have a great day and I wish for positive vibes to come your way. How you treat others is a reflection of you and will be your kharma. Thank you all for making me feel so horrible about posting on here.
I don't believe in karma....
...or detox smoothies.
The concept of karma has really been twisted into something vengeful, which ironically would bring bad karma to the person wishing bad karma on the person who wronged them. I'll leave it at that, because I could angry rant about it for a while. Plus it's an unneeded tangent that would add nothing to the topic at hand.5 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »tammys_130 wrote: »Not even worth my responses either. Bunch of closed minded know it alls who apparently must have degrees in nutrition themselves or be dietitians, etc... Guess one is not allowed to express their opinion or personal experiences on here without being critiqued by strong minded individuals who can't at least have replies that are not sarcastic or judgmental.
Have a great day and I wish for positive vibes to come your way. How you treat others is a reflection of you and will be your kharma. Thank you all for making me feel so horrible about posting on here.
I don't believe in karma....
...or detox smoothies.
The concept of karma has really been twisted into something vengeful, which ironically would bring bad karma to the person wishing bad karma on the person who wronged them. I'll leave it at that, because I could angry rant about it for a while. Plus it's an unneeded tangent that would add nothing to the topic at hand.
And would only bring bad karma back to you. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! 2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »tammys_130 wrote: »Not even worth my responses either. Bunch of closed minded know it alls who apparently must have degrees in nutrition themselves or be dietitians, etc... Guess one is not allowed to express their opinion or personal experiences on here without being critiqued by strong minded individuals who can't at least have replies that are not sarcastic or judgmental.
Have a great day and I wish for positive vibes to come your way. How you treat others is a reflection of you and will be your kharma. Thank you all for making me feel so horrible about posting on here.
I don't believe in karma....
...or detox smoothies.
The concept of karma has really been twisted into something vengeful, which ironically would bring bad karma to the person wishing bad karma on the person who wronged them. I'll leave it at that, because I could angry rant about it for a while. Plus it's an unneeded tangent that would add nothing to the topic at hand.
Whew, that was close!3
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