Diet Cokes ?
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amandapleighse92 wrote: »“Brace yourselves, girls: Soda is liquid Satan. It is the devil. It is garbage. There is nothing in soda that should be put into your body. For starters, soda’s high levels of phosphorous can increase calcium loss from the body, as can its sodium and caffeine. [Cousens, Conscious Eating, 475] You know what this means—bone loss, which may lead to osteoporosis. And the last time we checked, sugar, found in soda by the boatload, does not make you skinny! Now don’t go patting yourself on the back if you drink diet soda. That stuff is even worse. Aspartame (an ingredient commonly found in diet sodas and other sugar-free foods) has been blamed for a slew of scary maladies, like arthritis, birth defects, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and diabetes.2 When methyl alcohol, a component of aspartame, enters your body, it turns into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is toxic and carcinogenic (cancer-causing). 3 Laboratory scientists use formaldehyde as a disinfectant or preservative. They don’t *kitten* drink it. Perhaps you have a lumpy *kitten* because you are preserving your fat cells with diet soda. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received more complaints about aspartame than any other ingredient to date.4 Want more bad news? When aspartame is paired with carbs, it causes your brain to slow down its production of serotonin.5 A healthy level of serotonin is needed to be happy and well balanced. So drinking soda can make you fat, sick, and unhappy.”
It goes on, I read the book and found the quote online. (Rory Freedman) The book is "Skinny *kitten*" Like I said I read it a few years ago. I never got into diet coke, so someone else's research may be more in depth than mine. When I decided to cut the soda, I just switched to water.
Amanda,
You must either stop or provide peer reviewed studies for all your claims.10 -
gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
How about you find and post these studies you speak of?
Hint...there are none.
Clearly someone who has NO freakin' clue what aspartame actually is.amandapleighse92 wrote: »“Brace yourselves, girls: Soda is liquid Satan. It is the devil. It is garbage. There is nothing in soda that should be put into your body. For starters, soda’s high levels of phosphorous can increase calcium loss from the body, as can its sodium and caffeine. [Cousens, Conscious Eating, 475] You know what this means—bone loss, which may lead to osteoporosis. And the last time we checked, sugar, found in soda by the boatload, does not make you skinny! Now don’t go patting yourself on the back if you drink diet soda. That stuff is even worse. Aspartame (an ingredient commonly found in diet sodas and other sugar-free foods) has been blamed for a slew of scary maladies, like arthritis, birth defects, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and diabetes.2 When methyl alcohol, a component of aspartame, enters your body, it turns into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is toxic and carcinogenic (cancer-causing). 3 Laboratory scientists use formaldehyde as a disinfectant or preservative. They don’t *kitten* drink it. Perhaps you have a lumpy *kitten* because you are preserving your fat cells with diet soda. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received more complaints about aspartame than any other ingredient to date.4 Want more bad news? When aspartame is paired with carbs, it causes your brain to slow down its production of serotonin.5 A healthy level of serotonin is needed to be happy and well balanced. So drinking soda can make you fat, sick, and unhappy.”
It goes on, I read the book and found the quote online. (Rory Freedman) The book is "Skinny *kitten*" Like I said I read it a few years ago. I never got into diet coke, so someone else's research may be more in depth than mine. When I decided to cut the soda, I just switched to water.
Post your scientific research to back your....ahem....claims?amandapleighse92 wrote: »Wow all the muscle bound guys HATE ME! lol I read like two books a few years ago. ( This wasn't the MAIN idea of them) seriously though are you saying water is not the best choice? why not just drink water? There are lots of opinions though. No need to get nasty, I'm only saying things I believe. That is the point of this right? To share ideas and opinions. Never imagined diet soda would become such defensive topic! And maybe the whole "chemicals beats calories" point didn't make sense to some, and it is not the healthiest idea!But it is a saying. Meaning if you are hungry, it will make you feel full for a short while. This is not specifically talking about diet coke, It is a very general saying . Do something to make the hunger pains go away for a bit.
And, you never posted any scientific evidence to back up your giant claims. Enough said.
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amandapleighse92 wrote: »“Brace yourselves, girls: Soda is liquid Satan. It is the devil. It is garbage. There is nothing in soda that should be put into your body. For starters, soda’s high levels of phosphorous can increase calcium loss from the body, as can its sodium and caffeine. [Cousens, Conscious Eating, 475] You know what this means—bone loss, which may lead to osteoporosis. And the last time we checked, sugar, found in soda by the boatload, does not make you skinny! Now don’t go patting yourself on the back if you drink diet soda. That stuff is even worse. Aspartame (an ingredient commonly found in diet sodas and other sugar-free foods) has been blamed for a slew of scary maladies, like arthritis, birth defects, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and diabetes.2 When methyl alcohol, a component of aspartame, enters your body, it turns into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is toxic and carcinogenic (cancer-causing). 3 Laboratory scientists use formaldehyde as a disinfectant or preservative. They don’t *kitten* drink it. Perhaps you have a lumpy *kitten* because you are preserving your fat cells with diet soda. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received more complaints about aspartame than any other ingredient to date.4 Want more bad news? When aspartame is paired with carbs, it causes your brain to slow down its production of serotonin.5 A healthy level of serotonin is needed to be happy and well balanced. So drinking soda can make you fat, sick, and unhappy.”
It goes on, I read the book and found the quote online. (Rory Freedman) The book is "Skinny *kitten*" Like I said I read it a few years ago. I never got into diet coke, so someone else's research may be more in depth than mine. When I decided to cut the soda, I just switched to water.
Chemist here. My research is more indepth than yours.
Aspartame isn't dangerous. Cut it out of your diet if you want, but don't spread false information about it.gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Post the studies, please. I'll wait.
The chemicals don't "mess with your head". Are you saying that you've found legitimate studies that claim that diet soda is neurotoxic in some form, and it hasn't been banned from human consumption?? Alert the media, please.15 -
Christine_72 wrote: »For some people it does cause cravings, for other it doesn't. You just have to go by how diet soda effects you personally.
I'm one of those people that is/was greatly affected by artificial sweeteners. It did affect my cravings, I did gain a tremendous amount of weight drinking them (b/c it affects cravings which affected my appetite). And to top it off, the AS gave me a severe case of pancreatitis while pregnant (not a good thing!). Needless to say, I abruptly stopped my 6-8 can a day diet coke habit 15+ years ago and can't touch artificial sweeteners (they still affect me). That said, I still like a fizzy drink once in awhile so I drink Blue Sky Root Beer sweetened with stevia. Neither stevia nor xylitol seem to affect me. But I don't drink it often. Maybe one a week. I'm a water girl mostly. Because of my experience (and plenty of reading), I am firmly in the corner of the stuff is crap and no one should touch it. But like Christine said, not everyone is affected the way I was.2 -
amandapleighse92 wrote: »“Brace yourselves, girls: Soda is liquid Satan. It is the devil. It is garbage. There is nothing in soda that should be put into your body. For starters, soda’s high levels of phosphorous can increase calcium loss from the body, as can its sodium and caffeine. [Cousens, Conscious Eating, 475] You know what this means—bone loss, which may lead to osteoporosis. And the last time we checked, sugar, found in soda by the boatload, does not make you skinny! Now don’t go patting yourself on the back if you drink diet soda. That stuff is even worse. Aspartame (an ingredient commonly found in diet sodas and other sugar-free foods) has been blamed for a slew of scary maladies, like arthritis, birth defects, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and diabetes.2 When methyl alcohol, a component of aspartame, enters your body, it turns into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is toxic and carcinogenic (cancer-causing). 3 Laboratory scientists use formaldehyde as a disinfectant or preservative. They don’t *kitten* drink it. Perhaps you have a lumpy *kitten* because you are preserving your fat cells with diet soda. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received more complaints about aspartame than any other ingredient to date.4 Want more bad news? When aspartame is paired with carbs, it causes your brain to slow down its production of serotonin.5 A healthy level of serotonin is needed to be happy and well balanced. So drinking soda can make you fat, sick, and unhappy.”
It goes on, I read the book and found the quote online. (Rory Freedman) The book is "Skinny *kitten*" Like I said I read it a few years ago. I never got into diet coke, so someone else's research may be more in depth than mine. When I decided to cut the soda, I just switched to water.
I'm just posting so I can find this later when someone says that no one actually equates diet coke and Satan.27 -
Do diet cokes hinder weight loss in any way other than make you hungrier ? They don't make me more hungry, even though there has been studies that say they do. I just want to know what do regular people who have lost weight think about them.Thanks !
When I'm craving sweets and don't have the calories for them, I personally find that a diet dr pepper or diet A&W fills me up and soothes the craving better than most other things I've tried. I lost 55 pounds while drinking it.5 -
diannethegeek wrote: »amandapleighse92 wrote: »“Brace yourselves, girls: Soda is liquid Satan. It is the devil. It is garbage. There is nothing in soda that should be put into your body. For starters, soda’s high levels of phosphorous can increase calcium loss from the body, as can its sodium and caffeine. [Cousens, Conscious Eating, 475] You know what this means—bone loss, which may lead to osteoporosis. And the last time we checked, sugar, found in soda by the boatload, does not make you skinny! Now don’t go patting yourself on the back if you drink diet soda. That stuff is even worse. Aspartame (an ingredient commonly found in diet sodas and other sugar-free foods) has been blamed for a slew of scary maladies, like arthritis, birth defects, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and diabetes.2 When methyl alcohol, a component of aspartame, enters your body, it turns into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is toxic and carcinogenic (cancer-causing). 3 Laboratory scientists use formaldehyde as a disinfectant or preservative. They don’t *kitten* drink it. Perhaps you have a lumpy *kitten* because you are preserving your fat cells with diet soda. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received more complaints about aspartame than any other ingredient to date.4 Want more bad news? When aspartame is paired with carbs, it causes your brain to slow down its production of serotonin.5 A healthy level of serotonin is needed to be happy and well balanced. So drinking soda can make you fat, sick, and unhappy.”
It goes on, I read the book and found the quote online. (Rory Freedman) The book is "Skinny *kitten*" Like I said I read it a few years ago. I never got into diet coke, so someone else's research may be more in depth than mine. When I decided to cut the soda, I just switched to water.
I'm just posting so I can find this later when someone says that no one actually equates diet coke and Satan.
Amazing.
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gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky
not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience. 0 -
I'm pretty well convinced that soda is pretty bad....for teeth. I try to minimise my consumption of regular and diet soda as I have spent enough in dental care in recent years to make me keen to try anything I can to minimise future costs!
I do occasionally drink diet drinks and I don't find diet affects my hunger.
Interestingly though, I was watching a food doco on TV last week (Food Detectives, BBC) and they did a segment regarding diet/regular soda - giving a group of young men soda and then food after a sport training session.
They found that when given diet soda, the men ate more, and overall both groups consumed the same approx calories.
It wasn't clear to me whether they knew which drink they were getting (so the diet drinkers then felt they could "get away with" eating more).1 -
cerise_noir wrote: »Nope, no problem.
The only problem I have with diet cokes are the taste. Pepsi max ftw.
I don't know if you have the new Pepsi Zero in Canada yet, but I tried it the other day and I love it, almost as much as my Diet Dr. Pepper.
I was trying to remember who it was that put the buzz in my brain about diet Dr Pepper. I had never tried it. Delightful.0 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »For some people it does cause cravings, for other it doesn't. You just have to go by how diet soda effects you personally.
I'm one of those people that is/was greatly affected by artificial sweeteners. It did affect my cravings, I did gain a tremendous amount of weight drinking them (b/c it affects cravings which affected my appetite). And to top it off, the AS gave me a severe case of pancreatitis while pregnant (not a good thing!). Needless to say, I abruptly stopped my 6-8 can a day diet coke habit 15+ years ago and can't touch artificial sweeteners (they still affect me). That said, I still like a fizzy drink once in awhile so I drink Blue Sky Root Beer sweetened with stevia. Neither stevia nor xylitol seem to affect me. But I don't drink it often. Maybe one a week. I'm a water girl mostly. Because of my experience (and plenty of reading), I am firmly in the corner of the stuff is crap and no one should touch it. But like Christine said, not everyone is affected the way I was.
Is it possible that part of your problem was that you were drinking 8 cans a day? I can certainly understand why you cut it out entirely considering what you were going through, I just wonder if dosage might have been part of the problem. There's a lot of middle ground between 50 cans a week and no one should touch it.10 -
gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
There has literally been no studies that shows it's bad for you. 0. Could you point me to one?
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gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.11 -
paperpudding wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
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Would like link to one of these countless studies please.
I never drank diet sodas until I started trying to lose weight - prior to that, when I drank sodas it was regular soda.
Then I switched to Pepsi Max/diet coke about 3 years ago - my head seems the same, haven't noticed any messing being done to it.
So would like link to see what is supposed to have happened to me.
I'm pretty sure you're dead LOL :drinker:4 -
diannethegeek wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.
LMFAO I could NOT work out why there were *kitten*'s cropping up in there. AS's.2 -
gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
There has literally been no studies that shows it's bad for you. 0. Could you point me to one?
see above
Did you even read those? Fourth one down, first paragraph:
The sweet taste of aspartame, saccharin, and acesulfame-K has been reported to increase ratings of hunger and, after saccharin consumption, to increase food intake. However, most investigators have found that aspartame consumption is associated with decreased or unchanged ratings of hunger. Even if aspartame consumption increases ratings of hunger in some situations, it apparently has little impact on the controls of food intake and body weight. Aspartame has not been found to increase food intake; indeed, both short-term and long-term studies have shown that consumption of aspartame-sweetened foods or drinks is associated with either no change or a reduction in food intake. Preliminary clinical trials suggest that aspartame may be useful aid in a complete diet-and-exercise program or in weight maintenance. Intense sweeteners have never been found to cause weight gain in humans.11 -
diannethegeek wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.
Any good scientific study should explore sources of error. If you read the rest of the study, and the actual numbers, and not just take a tiny quote out of it, there's still a very strong correlation between diet soda consumption and weight gain.
With that said, I'm not interested in getting in an argument about it. This is a place for mutual support, not to be yet another source of endless trolling. You asked for articles, and I provided. Be well.1 -
gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
There has literally been no studies that shows it's bad for you. 0. Could you point me to one?
see above
Fifth one down:
Obese adults who drank diet beverages consumed more calories in discretionary foods, as did normal-weight participants who drank sugar-sweetened beverages.
In exploring associations between beverage type and dietary quality, An found that people who consumed sugar-sweetened beverages or coffee had the worst nutrition profiles.
Switching to diet drinks may not help people control their weight if they don't pay attention to the quantity and quality of the foods they consume, An said.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.
LMFAO I could NOT work out why there were *kitten*'s cropping up in there. AS's.
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gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
All of those studies show correlation, not causation. It's like if you notice that whenever you see lots of people carry umbrellas, it's raining. You could decide that carrying umbrellas causes it to rain, depending on your point of view. It makes sense that overweight people switch to diet soda to save calories, so yeah overweight people and diet soda have a connection, but which came first?
And FYI, from your link http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short:
Abstract
The sweet taste of aspartame, saccharin, and acesulfame-K has been reported to increase ratings of hunger and, after saccharin consumption, to increase food intake. However, most investigators have found that aspartame consumption is associated with decreased or unchanged ratings of hunger. Even if aspartame consumption increases ratings of hunger in some situations, it apparently has little impact on the controls of food intake and body weight. Aspartame has not been found to increase food intake; indeed, both short-term and long-term studies have shown that consumption of aspartame-sweetened foods or drinks is associated with either no change or a reduction in food intake. Preliminary clinical trials suggest that aspartame may be useful aid in a complete diet-and-exercise program or in weight maintenance. Intense sweeteners have never been found to cause weight gain in humans.
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gwenster89 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.
Any good scientific study should explore sources of error. If you read the rest of the study, and the actual numbers, and not just take a tiny quote out of it, there's still a very strong correlation between diet soda consumption and weight gain.
With that said, I'm not interested in getting in an argument about it. This is a place for mutual support, not to be yet another source of endless trolling. You asked for articles, and I provided. Be well.
Who's trolling? I came here to talk to the OP about diet soda and discuss your studies. I'm sure you understand the limitations of correlation studies vs causation. But if you'd rather insult me then we're done.11 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.
LMFAO I could NOT work out why there were *kitten*'s cropping up in there. AS's.
I did not even think about what the kitten filter would do to that quote! :drinker:2 -
So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual. And any "proof" was weak correlation, as opposed to causation. As usual.
Move along, nothing to see here.8 -
So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual.
Okay, I can admit defeat. I assumed the relationship was causative, not correlative, from rumblings on the street, not studies I had sat down and read. Baseline, I don't think we should be eating and drinking stuff with a million ingredients that's artificially created in a lab. I'm a farmer and I'll totally admit my bias that I believe in the power of whole foods and want everyone, especially my sisters around the world, to jump on the bandwagon. And I'm not anti soda or diet soda! Just anti evil corporations like Coca Cola and PepsiCo. Didn't mean to insult anyone, just jumped the gun, and I apologize.10 -
gwenster89 wrote: »So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual.
Okay, I can admit defeat. I assumed the relationship was causative, not correlative, from rumblings on the street, not studies I had sat down and read. Baseline, I don't think we should be eating and drinking stuff with a million ingredients that's artificially created in a lab. I'm a farmer and I'll totally admit my bias that I believe in the power of whole foods and want everyone, especially my sisters around the world, to jump on the bandwagon. And I'm not anti soda or diet soda! Just anti evil corporations like Coca Cola and PepsiCo. Didn't mean to insult anyone, just jumped the gun, and I apologize.
It's perfectly fine if you to feel that way about the things you consume. If you'd rather stay away from artificial sweeteners, then do it.
The problem if when you claim things that are untrue, such as stating that science is backing up your claims when it's not. That's why we ask for studies and actually read them, so we can be sure of the facts.10 -
gwenster89 wrote: »So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual.
Okay, I can admit defeat. I assumed the relationship was causative, not correlative, from rumblings on the street, not studies I had sat down and read. Baseline, I don't think we should be eating and drinking stuff with a million ingredients that's artificially created in a lab. I'm a farmer and I'll totally admit my bias that I believe in the power of whole foods and want everyone, especially my sisters around the world, to jump on the bandwagon. And I'm not anti soda or diet soda! Just anti evil corporations like Coca Cola and PepsiCo. Didn't mean to insult anyone, just jumped the gun, and I apologize.
Not a problem. You're definitely a much better person than the few who argue against scientific research until they're blue in the face, go on an insulting rampage then rage quit. Kudos to you. 10 -
cerise_noir wrote: »amandapleighse92 wrote: »how specific. Its weird though, do you not agree that water is the best way to go? There is nothing good for you in diet coke or soda in general. Given it won't make you fat, but it is not healthy. It's best to KICK THE HABIT and learn to drink water instead. I researched this on my own and came to my own opinion, I encourage anyone to do the same! It's a lifestyle, so everyone's will be different. Things you choose as important will be different than mine. Soda was my first thing to go, coffee however is most important!
Do you even know what aspartame is?
Did you know that diet drinks are actually 99% water?
Can you post your diet soda research?
And, do you avoid DHMO?
Thankfully, I wasn't taking a sip of my diet soda when I read this. It may have ended up leaving my body through my nose. LOL6 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »amandapleighse92 wrote: »how specific. Its weird though, do you not agree that water is the best way to go? There is nothing good for you in diet coke or soda in general. Given it won't make you fat, but it is not healthy. It's best to KICK THE HABIT and learn to drink water instead. I researched this on my own and came to my own opinion, I encourage anyone to do the same! It's a lifestyle, so everyone's will be different. Things you choose as important will be different than mine. Soda was my first thing to go, coffee however is most important!
Do you even know what aspartame is?
Did you know that diet drinks are actually 99% water?
Can you post your diet soda research?
And, do you avoid DHMO?
Thankfully, I wasn't taking a sip of my diet soda when I read this. It may have ended up leaving my body through my nose. LOL
Lucky you. I was.
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »For some people it does cause cravings, for other it doesn't. You just have to go by how diet soda effects you personally.
I'm one of those people that is/was greatly affected by artificial sweeteners. It did affect my cravings, I did gain a tremendous amount of weight drinking them (b/c it affects cravings which affected my appetite). And to top it off, the AS gave me a severe case of pancreatitis while pregnant (not a good thing!). Needless to say, I abruptly stopped my 6-8 can a day diet coke habit 15+ years ago and can't touch artificial sweeteners (they still affect me). That said, I still like a fizzy drink once in awhile so I drink Blue Sky Root Beer sweetened with stevia. Neither stevia nor xylitol seem to affect me. But I don't drink it often. Maybe one a week. I'm a water girl mostly. Because of my experience (and plenty of reading), I am firmly in the corner of the stuff is crap and no one should touch it. But like Christine said, not everyone is affected the way I was.
After such experiences I understand why you are in the camp of YOU shouldnt drink it ( although you could of experimented with drinking less than 8 cans a day - you know, context, dosage) but I dont understand why you are in the camp of " no-one should touch it" - given, as you said yourself, it doesnt affect everyone the way it affected you.
That is like someone saying I have an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts so I am in the camp of they are bad for ME - nobody would dispute that.
But most people dont go on to say therefore nobody should touch them.
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Diet coke is actually a great option. And don't worry about the artificial sweeteners, your body doesn't even process those, and they come out the other end without any harm done. I'd actually recommend Monster Zero Calorie Energy drinks, and coffee with non-fat milk. Good tasting options with hardly any calories.3
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