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gwenster89 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky
not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.
Any good scientific study should explore sources of error. If you read the rest of the study, and the actual numbers, and not just take a tiny quote out of it, there's still a very strong correlation between diet soda consumption and weight gain.
With that said, I'm not interested in getting in an argument about it. This is a place for mutual support, not to be yet another source of endless trolling. You asked for articles, and I provided. Be well.
Who's trolling? I came here to talk to the OP about diet soda and discuss your studies. I'm sure you understand the limitations of correlation studies vs causation. But if you'd rather insult me then we're done.11 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.
LMFAO I could NOT work out why there were *kitten*'s cropping up in there. AS's.
I did not even think about what the kitten filter would do to that quote! :drinker:2 -
So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual. And any "proof" was weak correlation, as opposed to causation. As usual.
Move along, nothing to see here.8 -
So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual.
Okay, I can admit defeat. I assumed the relationship was causative, not correlative, from rumblings on the street, not studies I had sat down and read. Baseline, I don't think we should be eating and drinking stuff with a million ingredients that's artificially created in a lab. I'm a farmer and I'll totally admit my bias that I believe in the power of whole foods and want everyone, especially my sisters around the world, to jump on the bandwagon. And I'm not anti soda or diet soda! Just anti evil corporations like Coca Cola and PepsiCo. Didn't mean to insult anyone, just jumped the gun, and I apologize.10 -
gwenster89 wrote: »So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual.
Okay, I can admit defeat. I assumed the relationship was causative, not correlative, from rumblings on the street, not studies I had sat down and read. Baseline, I don't think we should be eating and drinking stuff with a million ingredients that's artificially created in a lab. I'm a farmer and I'll totally admit my bias that I believe in the power of whole foods and want everyone, especially my sisters around the world, to jump on the bandwagon. And I'm not anti soda or diet soda! Just anti evil corporations like Coca Cola and PepsiCo. Didn't mean to insult anyone, just jumped the gun, and I apologize.
It's perfectly fine if you to feel that way about the things you consume. If you'd rather stay away from artificial sweeteners, then do it.
The problem if when you claim things that are untrue, such as stating that science is backing up your claims when it's not. That's why we ask for studies and actually read them, so we can be sure of the facts.10 -
gwenster89 wrote: »So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual.
Okay, I can admit defeat. I assumed the relationship was causative, not correlative, from rumblings on the street, not studies I had sat down and read. Baseline, I don't think we should be eating and drinking stuff with a million ingredients that's artificially created in a lab. I'm a farmer and I'll totally admit my bias that I believe in the power of whole foods and want everyone, especially my sisters around the world, to jump on the bandwagon. And I'm not anti soda or diet soda! Just anti evil corporations like Coca Cola and PepsiCo. Didn't mean to insult anyone, just jumped the gun, and I apologize.
Not a problem. You're definitely a much better person than the few who argue against scientific research until they're blue in the face, go on an insulting rampage then rage quit. Kudos to you. 10 -
cerise_noir wrote: »amandapleighse92 wrote: »how specific. Its weird though, do you not agree that water is the best way to go? There is nothing good for you in diet coke or soda in general. Given it won't make you fat, but it is not healthy. It's best to KICK THE HABIT and learn to drink water instead. I researched this on my own and came to my own opinion, I encourage anyone to do the same! It's a lifestyle, so everyone's will be different. Things you choose as important will be different than mine. Soda was my first thing to go, coffee however is most important!
Do you even know what aspartame is?
Did you know that diet drinks are actually 99% water?
Can you post your diet soda research?
And, do you avoid DHMO?
Thankfully, I wasn't taking a sip of my diet soda when I read this. It may have ended up leaving my body through my nose. LOL6 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »amandapleighse92 wrote: »how specific. Its weird though, do you not agree that water is the best way to go? There is nothing good for you in diet coke or soda in general. Given it won't make you fat, but it is not healthy. It's best to KICK THE HABIT and learn to drink water instead. I researched this on my own and came to my own opinion, I encourage anyone to do the same! It's a lifestyle, so everyone's will be different. Things you choose as important will be different than mine. Soda was my first thing to go, coffee however is most important!
Do you even know what aspartame is?
Did you know that diet drinks are actually 99% water?
Can you post your diet soda research?
And, do you avoid DHMO?
Thankfully, I wasn't taking a sip of my diet soda when I read this. It may have ended up leaving my body through my nose. LOL
Lucky you. I was.
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »For some people it does cause cravings, for other it doesn't. You just have to go by how diet soda effects you personally.
I'm one of those people that is/was greatly affected by artificial sweeteners. It did affect my cravings, I did gain a tremendous amount of weight drinking them (b/c it affects cravings which affected my appetite). And to top it off, the AS gave me a severe case of pancreatitis while pregnant (not a good thing!). Needless to say, I abruptly stopped my 6-8 can a day diet coke habit 15+ years ago and can't touch artificial sweeteners (they still affect me). That said, I still like a fizzy drink once in awhile so I drink Blue Sky Root Beer sweetened with stevia. Neither stevia nor xylitol seem to affect me. But I don't drink it often. Maybe one a week. I'm a water girl mostly. Because of my experience (and plenty of reading), I am firmly in the corner of the stuff is crap and no one should touch it. But like Christine said, not everyone is affected the way I was.
After such experiences I understand why you are in the camp of YOU shouldnt drink it ( although you could of experimented with drinking less than 8 cans a day - you know, context, dosage) but I dont understand why you are in the camp of " no-one should touch it" - given, as you said yourself, it doesnt affect everyone the way it affected you.
That is like someone saying I have an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts so I am in the camp of they are bad for ME - nobody would dispute that.
But most people dont go on to say therefore nobody should touch them.
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Diet coke is actually a great option. And don't worry about the artificial sweeteners, your body doesn't even process those, and they come out the other end without any harm done. I'd actually recommend Monster Zero Calorie Energy drinks, and coffee with non-fat milk. Good tasting options with hardly any calories.3
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gwenster89 wrote: »Baseline, I don't think we should be eating and drinking stuff with a million ingredients that's artificially created in a lab. I'm a farmer and I'll totally admit my bias that I believe in the power of whole foods and want everyone, especially my sisters around the world, to jump on the bandwagon. And I'm not anti soda or diet soda! Just anti evil corporations like Coca Cola and PepsiCo.
What about your brothers? We'd be extinct without them.
And yet another evil Big Soda declaration. As a farmer, what's your stance on GMO's?7 -
amandapleighse92 wrote: »“Brace yourselves, girls: Soda is liquid Satan. It is the devil. It is garbage. There is nothing in soda that should be put into your body. For starters, soda’s high levels of phosphorous can increase calcium loss from the body, as can its sodium and caffeine. [Cousens, Conscious Eating, 475] You know what this means—bone loss, which may lead to osteoporosis. And the last time we checked, sugar, found in soda by the boatload, does not make you skinny! Now don’t go patting yourself on the back if you drink diet soda. That stuff is even worse. Aspartame (an ingredient commonly found in diet sodas and other sugar-free foods) has been blamed for a slew of scary maladies, like arthritis, birth defects, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and diabetes.2 When methyl alcohol, a component of aspartame, enters your body, it turns into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is toxic and carcinogenic (cancer-causing). 3 Laboratory scientists use formaldehyde as a disinfectant or preservative. They don’t *kitten* drink it. Perhaps you have a lumpy *kitten* because you are preserving your fat cells with diet soda. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received more complaints about aspartame than any other ingredient to date.4 Want more bad news? When aspartame is paired with carbs, it causes your brain to slow down its production of serotonin.5 A healthy level of serotonin is needed to be happy and well balanced. So drinking soda can make you fat, sick, and unhappy.”
It goes on, I read the book and found the quote online. (Rory Freedman) The book is "Skinny *kitten*" Like I said I read it a few years ago. I never got into diet coke, so someone else's research may be more in depth than mine. When I decided to cut the soda, I just switched to water.
Amanda,
You must either stop or provide peer reviewed studies for all your claims.
If any book calls any food satan is garbage and the studies she is referring to are probably the rat/mouse studies but the amount of these chemicals you have to be exposed to is ridiculously high and lets not forget that drinking to much water can kill you.5 -
gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
they really need a 'LOL' button so you could 'like' 'awesome' or 'LOL' a post like this!7 -
gwenster89 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
Feel free to post some of those totally countless studies which show it's soooooooo bad for youuuuuuu.
oops I completely meant to. here's a bunch:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.284/full
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.355.2133&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/872.short
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150911094912.htm
and one article that isn't from a peer-reviewed journal or academic institution buttttt it's jillian michaels, and she's the *kitten*...
http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fit/lose-weight/myth-diet-soda
there are a bunch more. just type it into google scholar. it's all about just eating whole foods, man. the point is, these giant corporations want to keep you addicted to this stuff so you keep buying it. they put stuff in it that messes with your head. i think someone else mentioned that... the artificial sweeteners actually make you more hungry and crave more soda. point is, it's full of garbage. and like i said, there are totally other diet sodas out there that just don't have all the crap in them! my favorite is blue sky not a shaming thing at all. believeeeee me, i speak from experience.
From your first link:Possible explanations for our findings
There may be no causal relationship between AS use and weight gain. Individuals seeking to lose weight often switch to *kitten* in order to reduce their caloric intake. AS use might therefore simply be a marker for individuals already on weight-gain trajectories, which continued despite their switching to *kitten*. This is the most obvious possible explanation of our findings.
Any good scientific study should explore sources of error. If you read the rest of the study, and the actual numbers, and not just take a tiny quote out of it, there's still a very strong correlation between diet soda consumption and weight gain.
With that said, I'm not interested in getting in an argument about it. This is a place for mutual support, not to be yet another source of endless trolling. You asked for articles, and I provided. Be well.
Correlation never equals causation.
And, I drink no soda at all. 5 -
gwenster89 wrote: »So in other words, none of those studies prove what they were purported to prove. As usual.
Okay, I can admit defeat. I assumed the relationship was causative, not correlative, from rumblings on the street, not studies I had sat down and read. Baseline, I don't think we should be eating and drinking stuff with a million ingredients that's artificially created in a lab. I'm a farmer and I'll totally admit my bias that I believe in the power of whole foods and want everyone, especially my sisters around the world, to jump on the bandwagon. And I'm not anti soda or diet soda! Just anti evil corporations like Coca Cola and PepsiCo. Didn't mean to insult anyone, just jumped the gun, and I apologize.
No worries. Live and learn. 0 -
paperpudding wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »For some people it does cause cravings, for other it doesn't. You just have to go by how diet soda effects you personally.
I'm one of those people that is/was greatly affected by artificial sweeteners. It did affect my cravings, I did gain a tremendous amount of weight drinking them (b/c it affects cravings which affected my appetite). And to top it off, the AS gave me a severe case of pancreatitis while pregnant (not a good thing!). Needless to say, I abruptly stopped my 6-8 can a day diet coke habit 15+ years ago and can't touch artificial sweeteners (they still affect me). That said, I still like a fizzy drink once in awhile so I drink Blue Sky Root Beer sweetened with stevia. Neither stevia nor xylitol seem to affect me. But I don't drink it often. Maybe one a week. I'm a water girl mostly. Because of my experience (and plenty of reading), I am firmly in the corner of the stuff is crap and no one should touch it. But like Christine said, not everyone is affected the way I was.
After such experiences I understand why you are in the camp of YOU shouldnt drink it ( although you could of experimented with drinking less than 8 cans a day - you know, context, dosage) but I dont understand why you are in the camp of " no-one should touch it" - given, as you said yourself, it doesnt affect everyone the way it affected you.
That is like someone saying I have an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts so I am in the camp of they are bad for ME - nobody would dispute that.
But most people dont go on to say therefore nobody should touch them.
Oh, no kidding. The issue was, I literally craved Diet Coke so I drank it like water. Any sort of diet soda would satisfy the need but I preferred Diet Coke. That's where I do think that aspartame does have addictive possibilities because there's nothing else in it that would indicate that kind of pull.0 -
gwenster89 wrote: »i'm sure tons of people have been able to lose weight and keep drinking diet soda but it's soooooo bad for youuuuuuu. the chemicals in it seriously mess with your head and there have been a ton of studies to prove this. like, not just one fringe study with iffy results, but truly countless studies.
i used to be a hopeless diet coke addict and then i finally switched to seltzer. i realized that when i craved diet coke, the fizziness of seltzer totally did the trick. there are also tons of diet sodas that are sweetened with natural zero-calorie sweeteners like stevia instead of aspartame. or you can drink kombucha! it does have sugar but it's processed by yeast and bacteria so it doesn't cause the same insulin spike.
"Truly countless" = zero, right?4 -
amandapleighse92 wrote: »how specific. Its weird though, do you not agree that water is the best way to go? There is nothing good for you in diet coke or soda in general. Given it won't make you fat, but it is not healthy. It's best to KICK THE HABIT and learn to drink water instead. I researched this on my own and came to my own opinion, I encourage anyone to do the same! It's a lifestyle, so everyone's will be different. Things you choose as important will be different than mine. Soda was my first thing to go, coffee however is most important!
What is "good" for you in water? Because whatever you think is good for you in water is in diet soda so...6 -
diannethegeek wrote: »amandapleighse92 wrote: »“Brace yourselves, girls: Soda is liquid Satan. It is the devil. It is garbage. There is nothing in soda that should be put into your body. For starters, soda’s high levels of phosphorous can increase calcium loss from the body, as can its sodium and caffeine. [Cousens, Conscious Eating, 475] You know what this means—bone loss, which may lead to osteoporosis. And the last time we checked, sugar, found in soda by the boatload, does not make you skinny! Now don’t go patting yourself on the back if you drink diet soda. That stuff is even worse. Aspartame (an ingredient commonly found in diet sodas and other sugar-free foods) has been blamed for a slew of scary maladies, like arthritis, birth defects, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and diabetes.2 When methyl alcohol, a component of aspartame, enters your body, it turns into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is toxic and carcinogenic (cancer-causing). 3 Laboratory scientists use formaldehyde as a disinfectant or preservative. They don’t *kitten* drink it. Perhaps you have a lumpy *kitten* because you are preserving your fat cells with diet soda. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received more complaints about aspartame than any other ingredient to date.4 Want more bad news? When aspartame is paired with carbs, it causes your brain to slow down its production of serotonin.5 A healthy level of serotonin is needed to be happy and well balanced. So drinking soda can make you fat, sick, and unhappy.”
It goes on, I read the book and found the quote online. (Rory Freedman) The book is "Skinny *kitten*" Like I said I read it a few years ago. I never got into diet coke, so someone else's research may be more in depth than mine. When I decided to cut the soda, I just switched to water.
I'm just posting so I can find this later when someone says that no one actually equates diet coke and Satan.
You have this one, I have the "Sugar is the devil" - or was it "debil?" thread bookmarked. Anything else need to be covered?6 -
amandapleighse92 wrote: »“Brace yourselves, girls: Soda is liquid Satan. It is the devil. It is garbage. There is nothing in soda that should be put into your body. For starters, soda’s high levels of phosphorous can increase calcium loss from the body, as can its sodium and caffeine. [Cousens, Conscious Eating, 475] You know what this means—bone loss, which may lead to osteoporosis. And the last time we checked, sugar, found in soda by the boatload, does not make you skinny! Now don’t go patting yourself on the back if you drink diet soda. That stuff is even worse. Aspartame (an ingredient commonly found in diet sodas and other sugar-free foods) has been blamed for a slew of scary maladies, like arthritis, birth defects, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and diabetes.2 When methyl alcohol, a component of aspartame, enters your body, it turns into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is toxic and carcinogenic (cancer-causing). 3 Laboratory scientists use formaldehyde as a disinfectant or preservative. They don’t *kitten* drink it. Perhaps you have a lumpy *kitten* because you are preserving your fat cells with diet soda. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received more complaints about aspartame than any other ingredient to date.4 Want more bad news? When aspartame is paired with carbs, it causes your brain to slow down its production of serotonin.5 A healthy level of serotonin is needed to be happy and well balanced. So drinking soda can make you fat, sick, and unhappy.”
It goes on, I read the book and found the quote online. (Rory Freedman) The book is "Skinny *kitten*" Like I said I read it a few years ago. I never got into diet coke, so someone else's research may be more in depth than mine. When I decided to cut the soda, I just switched to water.
Thank god I'm a guy so this doesn't happen to me... sorry girls I hope you were braced for what just happened.
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