Teacher says Pop Tarts are not a healthy snack

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  • Naptownbabi
    Naptownbabi Posts: 256 Member
    mom22dogs wrote: »
    In my opinion, something that derives all of it's calories from sugar and fat, and has no other real nutrients in it, is junk food, and looking at the nutritional value of poptarts, that's what they are, fat and sugar, which I personally wouldn't want my kid to eat. I would rather they eat an apple, or veggies, or something like that.

    I also think that schools are trying to teach kids about nutrition because unfortunately, not everyone teaches their kids about making good choices for food. I can understand you being upset, but I can also understand the school as well.

    So kids who have medical conditions who can not eat fruits and vegetables with serious pain and GI issues should be forced to go hungry because what is healthy for them is different than what is healthy for you?

    Oh my goodness don't even get me started-my daughter is lactose intolerant and back in pre-school it was mandatory that they had to drink milk for snack time. We hadn't had her formally tested yet but we knew dairy caused her issues and requested that she have water instead. The teacher refused and forced her to drink the dang milk behind our backs and she kept coming home so sick :/ I was livid when I found out what was happening and we pulled her out mid year.

    I would have lost it if my kid was coming home sick every day. Just reading that made me so mad for you, I want to mentally yell at that teacher for you over the internet.
  • ummijaaz560
    ummijaaz560 Posts: 228 Member
    Just want to add that I mostly send fruit with him. We buy fruit in small quantity because it will go bad.

    He at least will not be like me thinking you get two pop tarts per serving (I really thought you got two).
    He only gets one and the box lasts like two weeks. :D
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    @crzycatlady1 that annoys me to no end. When I was in inpatient eating disorder treatment they forced to eat everything, even foods you legitimately hated like peas or onions that have no real part of your ED except for food allergies BUT since lactose intolerance is not an allergy I was forced to drink milk and eat lactose containing foods at every meal! I was so so sick but they didn't care. I can just imagine how badly they would handle my Crohn's food restrictions if I ended up back in treatment as they are not allergies either.
    mom22dogs wrote: »
    In my opinion, something that derives all of it's calories from sugar and fat, and has no other real nutrients in it, is junk food, and looking at the nutritional value of poptarts, that's what they are, fat and sugar, which I personally wouldn't want my kid to eat. I would rather they eat an apple, or veggies, or something like that.

    I also think that schools are trying to teach kids about nutrition because unfortunately, not everyone teaches their kids about making good choices for food. I can understand you being upset, but I can also understand the school as well.

    So kids who have medical conditions who can not eat fruits and vegetables with serious pain and GI issues should be forced to go hungry because what is healthy for them is different than what is healthy for you?

    Oh my goodness don't even get me started-my daughter is lactose intolerant and back in pre-school it was mandatory that they had to drink milk for snack time. We hadn't had her formally tested yet but we knew dairy caused her issues and requested that she have water instead. The teacher refused and forced her to drink the dang milk behind our backs and she kept coming home so sick :/ I was livid when I found out what was happening and we pulled her out mid year.
  • crzycatlady1
    crzycatlady1 Posts: 1,930 Member
    edited January 2017
    mom22dogs wrote: »
    In my opinion, something that derives all of it's calories from sugar and fat, and has no other real nutrients in it, is junk food, and looking at the nutritional value of poptarts, that's what they are, fat and sugar, which I personally wouldn't want my kid to eat. I would rather they eat an apple, or veggies, or something like that.

    I also think that schools are trying to teach kids about nutrition because unfortunately, not everyone teaches their kids about making good choices for food. I can understand you being upset, but I can also understand the school as well.

    So kids who have medical conditions who can not eat fruits and vegetables with serious pain and GI issues should be forced to go hungry because what is healthy for them is different than what is healthy for you?

    Oh my goodness don't even get me started-my daughter is lactose intolerant and back in pre-school it was mandatory that they had to drink milk for snack time. We hadn't had her formally tested yet but we knew dairy caused her issues and requested that she have water instead. The teacher refused and forced her to drink the dang milk behind our backs and she kept coming home so sick :/ I was livid when I found out what was happening and we pulled her out mid year.

    I would have lost it if my kid was coming home sick every day. Just reading that made me so mad for you, I want to mentally yell at that teacher for you over the internet.

    I was soooo angry and was not a nice person when I found out what was going on lol. A couple years after we did have formal allergy testing done and my daughter was formally 'diagnosed' as lactose intolerant. She can handle some dairy products, like cheese and yogurt with pills, but she still cannot have straight up milk or she spends hours in the bathroom :(
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    edited January 2017
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    OMG - Pop Tarts are NOT healthy foods - and kudos to the teacher for trying to educate their students, and parents. Granola bars are just as bad... what's wrong with carrots, apples, grapes, and celery sticks? Seriously people!

    I would consider pop tarts to be junk food...but I also wouldn't appreciate a teacher dictating to me or my child what they can and cannot have, particularly if it's a public institution.

    My kids eat junk food some times...they also eat carrots, apples, grapes, and celery sticks...they're fine...calm down.

    Pretty much. I even give my 1 year old some junk food (love ice cream and cool whip), but overall their diet is pretty solid (chicken, fruit, yogurt). As a parent, I am responsible for teach my children what they can eat and in what quantity.
  • ummijaaz560
    ummijaaz560 Posts: 228 Member
    They sent a note saying we had to provide two snacks plus lunch for the child.

    I didnt see anything specifying what was an acceptable healthy snack item. We just cant send nuts, or seafood.
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    mom22dogs wrote: »
    In my opinion, something that derives all of it's calories from sugar and fat, and has no other real nutrients in it, is junk food, and looking at the nutritional value of poptarts, that's what they are, fat and sugar, which I personally wouldn't want my kid to eat. I would rather they eat an apple, or veggies, or something like that.

    I also think that schools are trying to teach kids about nutrition because unfortunately, not everyone teaches their kids about making good choices for food. I can understand you being upset, but I can also understand the school as well.

    So kids who have medical conditions who can not eat fruits and vegetables with serious pain and GI issues should be forced to go hungry because what is healthy for them is different than what is healthy for you?

    Oh my goodness don't even get me started-my daughter is lactose intolerant and back in pre-school it was mandatory that they had to drink milk for snack time. We hadn't had her formally tested yet but we knew dairy caused her issues and requested that she have water instead. The teacher refused and forced her to drink the dang milk behind our backs and she kept coming home so sick :/ I was livid when I found out what was happening and we pulled her out mid year.

    I would have lost it if my kid was coming home sick every day. Just reading that made me so mad for you, I want to mentally yell at that teacher for you over the internet.

    I was soooo angry and was not a nice person when I found out what was going on lol. A couple years after we did have formal allergy testing done and my daughter was formally diagnosed as lactose intolerant. She can handle some dairy products, like cheese and yogurt with pills, but she still cannot have straight up milk or she spends hours in the bathroom :(

    As someone with Crohn's, IBS, lactose intolerance and many food restrictions for that very reason I can relate so much to this! It's so hard when forced to consume something you know will make you sick!
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    This kind of thing really makes me angry. You are correct - they have their definitions of "healthy" food messed up if they think that a granola bar or Gogurt is better than the occasional Pop Tart. I agree with asking to read the policy or seeing if you can find it in the student handbook, and I would take it to the principal or BOE and go from there.

    I think you're doing just fine teaching your child about food. I am doing it a similar way with my children (6 & 3), and they understand that there are foods that are fine to eat sometimes but not every day. My 6-year-old takes a yogurt/string cheese and a fruit/vegetable for snack most days, but I let him take cookies on Fridays. He is a healthy weight, and luckily our school system does not have arbitrary rules about only bringing "healthy" snacks.
  • joemac1988
    joemac1988 Posts: 1,021 Member
    Are Pop tarts the devil?

    No, but the macro profile isn't great. A pack of 2 is (going from memory) about 400 calories, 72c, 10f, 6p or somewhere thereabouts. I agree the teacher has no business interfering unless they're exceptionally qualified to do so, and even then... That being said, a greek yogurt and some berries would be a better choice but whatever...

    For the record I love poptarts. I just use them as pre-legday fuel.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    Are Pop tarts the devil?

    No, but the macro profile isn't great. A pack of 2 is (going from memory) about 400 calories, 72c, 10f, 6p or somewhere thereabouts. I agree the teacher has no business interfering unless they're exceptionally qualified to do so, and even then... That being said, a greek yogurt and some berries would be a better choice but whatever...

    For the record I love poptarts. I just use them as pre-legday fuel.

    It's a kid, and it's a snack. The OP seems like she otherwise feeds her child a well-rounded diet, so I'm sure his macros aren't lacking. If he's getting the proper nutrients and has a snack every now and then that doesn't have perfect macro ratios, I don't see the harm. Especially if the child is active and he's running and playing often.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    They sent a note saying we had to provide two snacks plus lunch for the child.

    I didnt see anything specifying what was an acceptable healthy snack item. We just cant send nuts, or seafood.

    Then here is how I would handle the conversation you described:

    Teacher: It's against policy to send unhealthy foods like pop tarts.
    You: Show me the policy.
    Teacher: It was sent home at the beginning of the year.
    You: This one? *Pulls out what was sent home at beginning of year.* How exactly do you figure this says no Pop Tarts, unless said Pop Tarts contain nuts or seafood?
    Teacher: *blank stare*

    Look, I don't think Pop Tarts are "healthy" either, but I am willing to acknowledge when that is my opinion and not a verifiable fact.
  • butterfli7o
    butterfli7o Posts: 1,319 Member
    OMG - Pop Tarts are NOT healthy foods - and kudos to the teacher for trying to educate their students, and parents. Granola bars are just as bad... what's wrong with carrots, apples, grapes, and celery sticks? Seriously people!

    Good luck getting little kids to love celery sticks...yuck.
    I don't believe in demonizing food.
  • deannalfisher
    deannalfisher Posts: 5,600 Member
    I think I'm more disturbed by the fact that he's been sitting there hungry and afraid to be judged for not eating healthy food.

    Who wants their child to be afraid to eat and go hungry? This is how food disorders begin.

    But if he took something within the rules he wouldn't be afraid or hungry, correct? It seems like you are perpetuating the problem rather than solving it.

    what rules? the OP said the only thing on the policy she saw was nuts and seafood...so unless they provide concrete examples of what is/isn't allowed; and/or a nutrition profile for food (must be less than xg fat or xg of carbs) - then the school doesn't have a leg to stand on

    and FWIW, have you seen the quality of many school lunches? a pop-tart may be the least of the kids issue down the road
  • Lounmoun
    Lounmoun Posts: 8,423 Member

    Do teachers have the right to teach children sugary snacks are unhealthy?

    Are Pop tarts the devil?

    Schools have a right to set policies about what comes into the school. Sometimes these policies are applied in a dumb way to things like food, scissors, clothing. The teacher means well but probably is like many who believe there are strict lines between healthy and unhealthy foods and everyone needs to be the same. If you disagree strongly with what your child is being taught or a policy you should present your side to the teacher, principal, school board, etc. You may succeed in getting poptarts approved or you may get more foods eliminated from the approved list... maybe they'd set a policy of fresh fruit only. If it is just mildly annoying just ask for an approved snack list, send the approved snacks and tell your kid to enjoy the poptarts at home.

    If you are in the US, homeschooling is legal in all states and a great option for educational/personal freedom. Eat whatever, whenever you want! (My child is homeschooled and I am biased for it for a number of reasons.)

    My personal opinion of pop tarts as a snack is that they are not unhealthy unless you are allergic to the ingredients or have a medical condition. They are not super packed with nutrition but not any more unhealthy for most people than granola bars, yogurts or other popular snack foods. I wouldn't want a poptart but if my dd wants to eat them occasionally that's fine.
  • fattymcrunnerpants
    fattymcrunnerpants Posts: 311 Member
    Ah the great pop tart debate. My ex and I battle over this practically daily. He feeds them nothing but junk. Pizza, popcorn, pop tarts, cookies, fast food. Bugs the absolute crap out of me because while there's no "bad" foods in the context of a varied diet it means I have to 100% be the "varied" part of their diet. Now let's look at this critically:

    A cherry pop tart JUST ONE has 200 calories, 38 grams of carbohydrates, Less than 1 gram of fiber, 17 grams of sugar, 2 grams of protein and 5 grams of fat. So if your child is getting two pop tarts in a pack... and you know he's going to eat two... That's 400 Calories and 34 grams of sugar, 10 grams of fat, and 4 grams of protein. In a snack.

    Now lets compare that to my children's other favorite snack: Quaker Oats chocolate chip granola bars. 100 Calories, 3 grams of fat, 7 grams of sugar, 2 grams of protein, 1 gram of fiber. And that's just one. Which they only get packaged in one bar/ package anyway.

    So while there are no "good" or "bad" foods there are foods that give you more nutrient bang for your buck. I used to work under the SNAP-Ed grant that tried to educate people on more nutritious foods. The thing of it is, is that the government has a high investment in teaching children to eat nutritious foods. They actually get more funding based on healthy lunch and snack policies. So that's probably where this policy is coming from. Although I don't think it's cool to not let him have it if that's what his parent is packing for him.
  • AliceDark
    AliceDark Posts: 3,886 Member
    I've heard similar stories from a lot of my friends with elementary school-aged children, and I think it's really inappropriate for children that young to be hearing negative messages about food. Food is an incredibly complicated topic (clearly, judging from these boards) and first-graders really aren't yet equipped to sort through messaging about good vs. bad foods. Some of those poor kids are going to be set up perfectly for disordered eating patterns. Good for you for reinforcing the message that you can eat everything in moderation with your son.

    I would ask to see the policy, and follow it to the letter so that your son doesn't have to personally handle any more food-related confrontations with the teacher. It's really sad that he's already been dealing with so much stress and uncertainty about the foods you give him. I'd also tell the teacher that you'll follow the policy as written, but that any other food-related questions need to be handled directly between the two of you since he's already feeling stress around the subject.
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