Teacher says Pop Tarts are not a healthy snack

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  • deannalfisher
    deannalfisher Posts: 5,600 Member
    she sent pop tarts once...not as a regular thing...

    she said IF it makes him feel afraid to bring out his snack and eat
  • Legs_McGee23
    Legs_McGee23 Posts: 116 Member
    If I had a kid, I'd take issue with a teacher telling me what I could feed him or her. It's one thing if you're providing a snack for the entire class, but I think a parent should have the right to determine what they feed their child. And I don't think there's anything wrong with a Pop Tart as long as as it's part of an overall balanced and healthy diet. Pop Tarts are awesome. S'more and Sundae flavored are the best.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    I think I'm more disturbed by the fact that he's been sitting there hungry and afraid to be judged for not eating healthy food.

    Who wants their child to be afraid to eat and go hungry? This is how food disorders begin.

    But if he took something within the rules he wouldn't be afraid or hungry, correct? It seems like you are perpetuating the problem rather than solving it.

    How am I perpetuating the problem?
    I just wrote verbatim what was said along the snack and lunch guidelines, ie what to send.


    I also am not nor have I dug my heels about it?

    What rules have I decided not to follow and decided to "let him be afraid or hungry?

    I have no problem with following the guidelines. But dictating that an occasional snack item is "unhealthy" is not what I want my child taught.

    This is why folks come on the forums thinking you must eat "clean" to lose weight.

    You are perpetuating the problem by continuing to send pop-tarts when the teacher asked you not to. You said your child feels afraid to bring out his snack and eat it. If you continue to send a snack that makes him feel that way, then you are the one putting your child in that position. You can teach him your nutritional views at home.

    What part of I just found out yesterday he wasn't eating did you not understand?

    You keep saying the teacher asked me not to send them?
    No, she has not asked me anything.

    Thats the problem, no one has said anything to me about what exactly is the ideal snack before hand.

    If they had a definitive list of not allowed snacks he wouldn't have been allowed to take it.

    I dont have a problem with following the rules.

    I have a problem with them classifying said food as unhealthy, when in moderation it's fine.

    Trying to indoctrinate my child with "food woo ethics" is my beef.

    So, how long has the kid been taking pop-tarts and not eating them? And why is he so afraid to pull out the pop-tart that he'd rather go hungry? The teacher couldn't have seen the pop-tart unless he pulled it out so it seems it would have to be more than once. And if it was more than once and you just found out, why do you suppose the child didn't tell you about it sooner? That's the question I'd ask myself if it were my son.
  • crzycatlady1
    crzycatlady1 Posts: 1,930 Member
    edited January 2017
    Lounmoun wrote: »

    Do teachers have the right to teach children sugary snacks are unhealthy?

    Are Pop tarts the devil?

    Schools have a right to set policies about what comes into the school. Sometimes these policies are applied in a dumb way to things like food, scissors, clothing. The teacher means well but probably is like many who believe there are strict lines between healthy and unhealthy foods and everyone needs to be the same. If you disagree strongly with what your child is being taught or a policy you should present your side to the teacher, principal, school board, etc. You may succeed in getting poptarts approved or you may get more foods eliminated from the approved list... maybe they'd set a policy of fresh fruit only. If it is just mildly annoying just ask for an approved snack list, send the approved snacks and tell your kid to enjoy the poptarts at home.

    If you are in the US, homeschooling is legal in all states and a great option for educational/personal freedom. Eat whatever, whenever you want! (My child is homeschooled and I am biased for it for a number of reasons.)

    My personal opinion of pop tarts as a snack is that they are not unhealthy unless you are allergic to the ingredients or have a medical condition. They are not super packed with nutrition but not any more unhealthy for most people than granola bars, yogurts or other popular snack foods. I wouldn't want a poptart but if my dd wants to eat them occasionally that's fine.

    Ha, me too :D Actually we now do an amazing program through a local public school district where my kids do their schooling at home but we're still a part of the district and have a real teacher/support staff that we work with. It's the best of both worlds and it's a newer concept that more and more districts are starting to offer (at least around here). We decided to go this route after dealing with numerous issues at our old school. My oldest daughter is musically gifted as well, and the school district we're now a part of has one of the best orchestra programs in our state :)
  • Sari723
    Sari723 Posts: 10 Member
    I eat pop tarts. I have lost 47lbs in the last year or so. Healthy is relative to your entire lifestyle. I couldnt imagine someone telling me what my kid could or could not eat.
  • Commander_Keen
    Commander_Keen Posts: 1,179 Member
    I went to my kids school this morning, to speak with his first grade teacher.
    He came home yesterday saying he couldn"t bring his Pop tart for their morning snack, because they can only have "healthy snacks".

    I was upset. I still am even after speaking with the teacher this morning.
    I teach my child that there are no good or bad foods, unless you have a allergy or ethically cant eat it.

    He has been sitting there afraid to pull out his "unhealthy snack" because its not "fruit, or granola bar, or yogurt"(healthy snacks").
    I often send those as well.

    I told her not to teach my child about foods being good or bad, because I dont subscribe to that.

    Teacher: "So you're ok with him having a sugary Pop Tart in the morning"?
    Me: Yes, I if send it its good enough for him to have. Just so you know there are granola bars with just as much or more sugar in them as Pop Tarts.
    Teacher: blank stare.

    Do teachers have the right to teach children sugary snacks are unhealthy?

    Are Pop tarts the devil?

    I think you are missing the reason.
    I too have a 7 year old and we have rules for snacks.

    -- Everyone brings in something healthy, so the kids can't trade.
    -- Too much sugar means its harder to control the kids.
    "Just so you know there are granola bars with just as much or more sugar in them as Pop Tarts." --- Can you prove it?

  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    I always see these kinds of stories, and I've honestly never came across it in my kids school years and have never heard stories from friends. I'm in Canada, so i wonder if there's certain rules or something? Like the story above about her child being forced to drink milk and then stories about kids being forced to eat a certain way unless they get a doctors note. My son and I both have celiac disease and he has secondary lactose intolerance and I've never had to bring a note or anyting. I just said he has celiac disease, don't feed him anything unless he's read the ingredient list, that's it. No issues. They have milk days at school and he gets a juice box. I provide a bag of treats for his classroom in case someone brings in cupcakes or something for a birthday. Only hardset rules in his school are no tree nuts because there's life threatening food allergies. Personally, I wouldn't send my kid to school with a poptart, but it's only because I don't buy them. My oldest son would have the entire box ate in a day, so that food just doesn't come into the house. Funny thing with the teachers suggestions is, I bet if you compared calories/sugar/carbs/fat etc, the granola bar and yogurt would be just as "unhealthy" as the poptart.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    I think I'm more disturbed by the fact that he's been sitting there hungry and afraid to be judged for not eating healthy food.

    Who wants their child to be afraid to eat and go hungry? This is how food disorders begin.

    But if he took something within the rules he wouldn't be afraid or hungry, correct? It seems like you are perpetuating the problem rather than solving it.

    How am I perpetuating the problem?
    I just wrote verbatim what was said along the snack and lunch guidelines, ie what to send.


    I also am not nor have I dug my heels about it?

    What rules have I decided not to follow and decided to "let him be afraid or hungry?

    I have no problem with following the guidelines. But dictating that an occasional snack item is "unhealthy" is not what I want my child taught.

    This is why folks come on the forums thinking you must eat "clean" to lose weight.

    You are perpetuating the problem by continuing to send pop-tarts when the teacher asked you not to. You said your child feels afraid to bring out his snack and eat it. If you continue to send a snack that makes him feel that way, then you are the one putting your child in that position. You can teach him your nutritional views at home.

    What part of I just found out yesterday he wasn't eating did you not understand?

    You keep saying the teacher asked me not to send them?
    No, she has not asked me anything.

    Thats the problem, no one has said anything to me about what exactly is the ideal snack before hand.

    If they had a definitive list of not allowed snacks he wouldn't have been allowed to take it.

    I dont have a problem with following the rules.

    I have a problem with them classifying said food as unhealthy, when in moderation it's fine.

    Trying to indoctrinate my child with "food woo ethics" is my beef.

    So, how long has the kid been taking pop-tarts and not eating them? And why is he so afraid to pull out the pop-tart that he'd rather go hungry? The teacher couldn't have seen the pop-tart unless he pulled it out so it seems it would have to be more than once. And if it was more than once and you just found out, why do you suppose the child didn't tell you about it sooner? That's the question I'd ask myself if it were my son.

    I think this was the second time he took the pop tart, as I said he usually takes either fruit or a fruit cup.

    The first time he took it I heard nothing. Which was a few weeks ago because I'd just purchased the box.

    He took another one yesterday, I opened his lunch box after school and it was in there.

    Thats when he told me she said he could not have it weeks ago, because it was not healthy.

    So he sat hungry that day because he was forbade from eating it (first time), and yesterday because I packed it and didnt know he couldn't have it.

    He must have seen it and was afraid to take it out.

    I dont know why he didn't tell me sooner. The first one got trashed so I didnt find it then.

    But more so, who stops a child from from eating and not providing another snack?

    Ok you dont want him to have it, well what else you got?

    If the teacher threw it in the trash (assuming that's what was meant by 'trashed') then I might speak to the principal about that. She should have simply let him know it was not acceptable and not to bring it again.

    You really might want to talk your child about why he didn't tell you about it when it first happened. You don't seem particularly open to anything other than agreement here in this forum. If you are as rigid at home re: nutrition you might want to find out if that's what made him reluctant to tell you what the teacher said.
  • racheljonel
    racheljonel Posts: 400 Member
    I think the more valuable lesson here would have been to explain that idiots are everywhere, but unfortunately you'll sometimes have to deal with them dictating what you can or can't do in certain situations for the rest of your life, and that it doesn't make it right, but it's appropriate to pick your battles. It's just a pop tart.
  • LZMiner
    LZMiner Posts: 300 Member
    They probably allow "healthy" snacks. My kids' PUBLIC school didn't allow poptarts.
  • Stella3838
    Stella3838 Posts: 439 Member
    http://www.sugarstacks.com/breakfast.htm

    I'm not advocating for Pop Tarts as a regular part in ANYONE'S diet, but I think based on the nutritional statistics it's hard to argue that there are MUCH better choices. Obesity and food driven health problems have become a very common-place thing now. Encouraging anyone, kids or adults, on how to make better food choices should be common sense. Regardless of the school situation, this is common sense.
  • ChelzFit
    ChelzFit Posts: 292 Member
    I have taught elementary school for several years and always encouraged my students to bring a snack to have early morning. Instead of focusing on the word healthy, I told the students they are allowed to bring whatever they like as long as it is "small." The kids had a snack at 11 and then they ate lunch at noon, so I figured they didn't need to be bringing in large bags of chips or an entire meal. Leaving the choice up to them I found that most of them had a wide variety of snacks, sometimes an apple and the next day they might have a small piece of leftover Halloween candy. I am there teacher I have no right to say what they should or should not be eating. Although I still remember I had one student who was overweight and her mom packed her lunch daily with literally three little Debbie snacks and chocolate milk. She constantly complained of stomach aches, still not my place to tell them how to run there home.
    Before becoming a parent I always thought I would be the mom to never allow candy or junk food to them. Over the years my attitude has changed as well as my eating. I find it more important to teach them moderation rather then labeling a food a good food or bad food. Having restricted foods for a long time I tended to binge more often. Now that I allow them into my diet in moderation I am much happier.
  • sm27357
    sm27357 Posts: 5 Member
    It is not appropriate for the teacher to make you child feel bad about his food. She should not have said this to as it affects your child's self-esteem and does not create a positive environment. It creates one in which people (kids) will feel justified in judging others.

    As a pediatric dietitian, I do not recommend granola bars or pop tarts on a regular basis for school-aged children. However, unless you have signed some consent to having your child's nutritional habits be "evaluated" and discussed with your child this behavior by the teacher is not appropriate. It is not as if type of "intervention" is useful. Your child is not the one shopping for food or packing his food. All it has achieved is make your son feel bad and you upset.

    "Are pop-tarts the devil"-No, of course not. Some good snacks (better than just fruit and better than granola or regular yogurt would be) hard-boiled eggs, plain cheerios, Greek yogurt with fresh fruit or fat-free milk. It is a good balance of complex carbs, fat and protein.

    Can you eat pop-tarts once in a while? Sure. However, I personally do not recommend giving them to children early on. When kids eat sugary foods (like granola bars and pastries) at a young age-I have no idea what your son's age is- they do tend to develop a preference for them. And it's hard to undo later on. It's best to get them to prefer healthier high-protein, complex carb-type foods so there's nothing to undo. I also do not recommend non-nutrition professionals, such as teachers to "evaluate" or provide "nutrition intervention" without parental consent. That is best left to a nutrition professional at the request of the parent. Good luck. I suggest going to your program's director.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Cylphin60 wrote: »
    fbmandy55 wrote: »
    I get where both sides are coming from, I really do. The teacher is relying on guidance published by scientists/nutritionists through FNIC (USDA) and Nutrition.gov which are both federal agencies who serve to educate the public on such matters.

    So what I take from this is: Thanks Michelle Obama. :D
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  • Treece68
    Treece68 Posts: 780 Member
    I would think they would have to give a guideline of what kids can and can not bring as a snack if they are going to police like that. My friends daughter has a nut allergy and 2nd day of school they would not let her go play until she ate all of her banana nut muffin even though she told them she could not eat it because of her allergy she is 7. Poor girl stuffed it in her pocket then flushed it down the toilet.
  • glassyo
    glassyo Posts: 7,728 Member
    Nope. Not okay. That teacher with one day has just undone your years of hard work in trying to teach your kid that there are no good or bad foods. Kids are like sponges and they take everything personally, he's not going to see that the teacher was being a not-nice person, he's going to see that he has bad food. And it's going to take a lot of consistent effort on your part and on his (when he figures it out for himself) that foods don't get labels like that unless - you're right - they're medically or ethically unsound FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL. (I'm all het up over this. Sorry.) If I were you I would have gone immediately to the principal because shenanigans.

    Also, did they send you out a guideline at the beginning of the school year as to what constitutes a healthy or unhealthy snack? Is it in writing that the kids can only have fruit/yogurt/granola?

    Sounds to me like teacher just didn't want to deal with your child on a sugar high, which if I were the parent would be unacceptable. You don't tell my kid what's good or bad when it comes to food, I do.

    They need to provide that guideline for all parents in writing or they need to stfu.

    (not that I'm mad about this at all... :# )

    Do you need a pop tart? :)
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    brower47 wrote: »
    I think I'm more disturbed by the fact that he's been sitting there hungry and afraid to be judged for not eating healthy food.

    Who wants their child to be afraid to eat and go hungry? This is how food disorders begin.

    But if he took something within the rules he wouldn't be afraid or hungry, correct? It seems like you are perpetuating the problem rather than solving it.

    Whenever I encounter something I believe is an injustice, I like to stick my head in the sand in order to prevent creating any waves too.

    Injustice? ::laugh::
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