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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Dessert after meals is unnecessary and does nothing good for your health.
What if my dessert is fruit, natural yoghurt, protein powder, nuts and fits my calories and macros? Maybe not necessary, but probably contributing to micronutrients/vitamins/minerals I'd otherwise not get.
Mental health is also important - if a small treat after dinner makes me feel good, happy, satisfied etc, is that a bad thing?
Maybe not a bad thing, but it's still my unpopular opinion anyway. Life has become too complicated. Eating has become too complicated. A simple one course meal without the extra frills was okay until people started getting creative.1 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Hey, could we rewind here? Salad? Does it seriously actually have a significant difference in meaning across the pond, or was that mostly a humorous remark?
No, not humorous...
Salad in the US seems to often be a mush of stuff with a creamy dressing. Eg "chicken salad", "egg salad".0 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Hey, could we rewind here? Salad? Does it seriously actually have a significant difference in meaning across the pond, or was that mostly a humorous remark?
No, not humorous...
Salad in the US seems to often be a mush of stuff with a creamy dressing. Eg "chicken salad", "egg salad".
Salad is one of my "pet peeves". My grandparents ate "greens", but the more refined people called them vegetables. Then it started to be that people mixed up different vegetables together and called it salad. Next we started to add oil, and cheese, and bacon, and raisins, and apples, and ..........
I guess you see my point, even if it's just an unpopular opinion.0 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Hey, could we rewind here? Salad? Does it seriously actually have a significant difference in meaning across the pond, or was that mostly a humorous remark?
No, not humorous...
Salad in the US seems to often be a mush of stuff with a creamy dressing. Eg "chicken salad", "egg salad".
Salad is one of my "pet peeves". My grandparents ate "greens", but the more refined people called them vegetables. Then it started to be that people mixed up different vegetables together and called it salad. Next we started to add oil, and cheese, and bacon, and raisins, and apples, and ..........
I guess you see my point, even if it's just an unpopular opinion.
There is nothing wrong with mixing foods together to create flavour combinations. Food doesn't have to be bland and boring. Food is more than just fuel.
My issue with the salad word is that the US use doesn't describe what I'd call a salad.2 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Hey, could we rewind here? Salad? Does it seriously actually have a significant difference in meaning across the pond, or was that mostly a humorous remark?
No, not humorous...
Salad in the US seems to often be a mush of stuff with a creamy dressing. Eg "chicken salad", "egg salad".
Salad is one of my "pet peeves". My grandparents ate "greens", but the more refined people called them vegetables. Then it started to be that people mixed up different vegetables together and called it salad. Next we started to add oil, and cheese, and bacon, and raisins, and apples, and ..........
I guess you see my point, even if it's just an unpopular opinion.
There is nothing wrong with mixing foods together to create flavour combinations. Food doesn't have to be bland and boring. Food is more than just fuel.
My issue with the salad word is that the US use doesn't describe what I'd call a salad.
Have you ever been to the US? We have chicken and egg salad sandwiches, but when i think of a salad its greens (some sort of lettuce) with vegetables not sandwiches. Most all restaurants offer a salad made with made with lettuce usually called a side salad. But really, a salad can have anything included.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/salad2 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Ah, and to me, a Swiss roll is only a Swiss roll if the cake is chocolate, the inner frosting is white and, if there's anything on the outside of the cake, it'd be a thin layer of chocolate frosting, though leaving it plain is ok too.
That would be a chocolate log herenin the UK, especially popular at Christmas where the frosting is made to look like tree bark.
A Swiss roll is the above without outer frosting.
We call subs subs but like Australia pretty much only if from subway.
Thinking I call a drinking fountain a water fountain but we don't have many of them.
Jam donuts.
And probably fizzy juice but again I don't have need to say it much other than stating I don't really drink it!1 -
Oh salad. Doesn't the US call some weird dessert type things salads? The only time we use it in that context is if it's a variety of chopped fresh fruit (though you can also get a tinned version often used in trifle).
The only savoury salad outside of something lettuce based is I think potato salad, potatoes with mayo. Egg salad is egg mayonnaise. We're generally pretty litter all!
But there are also a million regional variations of some things. I'm the north they'd call soda pop. Rolls are all sorts, baps, cobs, rolls. In Scotland a crusty roll is called a morning roll.
Also yes on the jam rolly polly. Except I think that would generally be in reference to the frozen needs to be defrosted cake of my childhood dreams.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Oh salad. Doesn't the US call some weird dessert type things salads? The only time we use it in that context is if it's a variety of chopped fresh fruit (though you can also get a tinned version often used in trifle).
The only savoury salad outside of something lettuce based is I think potato salad, potatoes with mayo. Egg salad is egg mayonnaise. We're generally pretty litter all!
But there are also a million regional variations of some things. I'm the north they'd call soda pop. Rolls are all sorts, baps, cobs, rolls. In Scotland a crusty roll is called a morning roll.
Also yes on the jam rolly polly. Except I think that would generally be in reference to the frozen needs to be defrosted cake of my childhood dreams.
There's gelatin salads, which are normally an abomination of Jello, Cool Whip, fruit, and pretzels ocassionally. I once was forced into attending a church social where there was a different Jello "salad" for every color of the rainbow, plus a couple of one's featuring sugar-free Jello, because every 4th person at this church had diabetes.
To me, salads are bowls of raw greens topped with other vegetables. Fruit, meat, nuts, cheese, and dressjng. To the rest of the country, they're pretty much anything that consists of chilled foods that are mixed together and compared in a dressing.1 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Hey, could we rewind here? Salad? Does it seriously actually have a significant difference in meaning across the pond, or was that mostly a humorous remark?
No, not humorous...
Salad in the US seems to often be a mush of stuff with a creamy dressing. Eg "chicken salad", "egg salad".
Salad is one of my "pet peeves". My grandparents ate "greens", but the more refined people called them vegetables. Then it started to be that people mixed up different vegetables together and called it salad. Next we started to add oil, and cheese, and bacon, and raisins, and apples, and ..........
I guess you see my point, even if it's just an unpopular opinion.
There is nothing wrong with mixing foods together to create flavour combinations. Food doesn't have to be bland and boring. Food is more than just fuel.
My issue with the salad word is that the US use doesn't describe what I'd call a salad.
Have you ever been to the US? We have chicken and egg salad sandwiches, but when i think of a salad its greens (some sort of lettuce) with vegetables not sandwiches. Most all restaurants offer a salad made with made with lettuce usually called a side salad. But really, a salad can have anything included.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/salad
Yes... Twice. What you call chicken salad and egg salad (and any other similar "salad") is not salad. Imo. If you asked for chicken salad in Australia, you'd get a salad (leaves, vegies, dressing etc) with chicken.0 -
Just "salad" in the US is usually lettuce or some other kind of uncooked greens as a base with various other vegetables on it, typically some kind of dressing, and maybe some other ingredients, but the greens are the base.
There are other kinds of salad, but they are always preceded with a modifier to distinguish them: egg salad, potato salad, fruit salad, chicken salad, cucumber salad (regular salad often has cucumbers, though), so on.
I'd actually forgotten jello salad was a thing, seems very '70s to me, although I recall having it still in the '80s. If someone was expecting a "salad" and got that, they'd be shocked, though.
I really don't get "My grandparents ate "greens", but the more refined people called them vegetables. Then it started to be that people mixed up different vegetables together and called it salad. Next we started to add oil, and cheese, and bacon, and raisins, and apples, and .........."
In my version of English, greens is a generic term for leaf based vegetables like spinach, kale, chard, collards, dandelion, turnip greens, arugula, endive, etc. (and I'd weirdly include leafy things that are not green, like radicchio).
Vegetables are, well, vegetables, culinary use, not botanical. As a side dish, however, potatoes and corn are not vegetables even though they technically are, they are starches (or such is how I remember it from growing up). Classic American dinner I grew up with would have meat, starch (often potatoes or corn or bread), and vegetable (often canned). Salad could be the vegetable, but more often it was a starter or extra side with a more elaborate dinner. Jello could be the dessert. It was never considered a vegetable.
Adding oil and vinegar and cheese and bacon and so on to a salad is not a new fangled thing, it's just a more elaborate thing (well, except for the dressing, commonly oil and vinegar, which any salad would normally have, but not other vegetable dishes, some which might involve multiple vegetables). More formal/fancy salads would have more extras -- think of Julia Child showing how to cook a salad nicoise or, of course, a classic caesar salad. Of course, we wouldn't have those at home when I was a kid -- we had romaine or spinach or iceberg plus cucumbers, carrots, celery, tomatoes, stuff like that.3 -
We got meat salad in Germany.5
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VintageFeline wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Ah, and to me, a Swiss roll is only a Swiss roll if the cake is chocolate, the inner frosting is white and, if there's anything on the outside of the cake, it'd be a thin layer of chocolate frosting, though leaving it plain is ok too.
That would be a chocolate log herenin the UK, especially popular at Christmas where the frosting is made to look like tree bark.
You mean one of these?: (I make them every year per my family's request, but we call them a Yule Log
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I was surprised when I went to Nepal and there was a bowl of "pickle". To me, "pickle" means a cucumber of some type packed in a brine. They can be whole of any size or sliced; the brine can be sweet or not; contain garlic, chili peppers, dill, mustard seed, celery seed, etc.; or just vinegar and salt. If it is a vegetable that is not a cucumber but is packed in a brine, it is a "pickled beet" (or green bean, Brussels sprout, mushroom, onion, etc). What I was served was shredded vegetables in vinegar which, around here, would be called a salad.0
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JerSchmare wrote: »The fact that people say the exercise calorie database is way off. Like, what? I've been following for well over 5 years, probably 8 or so, no it's always spot on.
Depends on the exercise. I swim and according to MFP I should be burning 1059 calories per hour. Most other databases have me earning closer to 600 calories per hour. I choose to use the 600 and eat all of them back, and I am losing at my target rate.
The "eat back 50%" is usually directed at people who are new. The idea is to start there and adjust up or down after a month or two when you see where your weekly average is in relation to the weekly target loss you set.5 -
JerSchmare wrote: »The fact that people say the exercise calorie database is way off. Like, what? I've been following for well over 5 years, probably 8 or so, no it's always spot on.
Depends on the exercise. I swim and according to MFP I should be burning 1059 calories per hour. Most other databases have me earning closer to 600 calories per hour. I choose to use the 600 and eat all of them back, and I am losing at my target rate.
The "eat back 50%" is usually directed at people who are new. The idea is to start there and adjust up or down after a month or two when you see where your weekly average is in relation to the weekly target loss you set.
And to allow for newbs logging inaccuracies. That said, I always caveat with the fact I have always eaten all of mine.5 -
Ah yes!stevencloser wrote: »We got meat salad in Germany.
That used to feature in trick questions on German tests at school level. Fun for all the class there.
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JerSchmare wrote: »The fact that people say the exercise calorie database is way off. Like, what? I've been following for well over 5 years, probably 8 or so, no it's always spot on.
Depends on the exercise and the person.
Many exercises that vary a lot based on how hard/fast you are doing them get perceived as higher intensity by newbies to exercise or people way out of shape, and those are the ones that tend to be off.
Running x miles in y minutes at whatever one's weight is, pretty easy to estimate accurately, although the slower and longer you run (or walk) the more off the number is due to not subtracting the calories you would burn anyway during the same time. But other things, like swimming (MFP asks intensity, not speed or distance), zumba or other exercise classes, circuit training (depends a lot on what you do), elliptical, rowing (again, if based just on time, not distance), so on can be way off.
Other common issues I've seen from newbies include logging stationary biking as if it were outdoor biking (the calories tend to be less, often significantly less), again focusing on perceived intensity, not actual speed and resistence, and counting total time at gym vs. specific activities (newbie burning 1000 calories for 90 minutes at the gym "circuit training" or some such, when a lot of that was down time or activities that don't burn much).2 -
Is it a jelly roll, a jelly doughnut, or a Bismark?
Do you drink from a drinking fountain, a water fountain, or a bubbler?
Do you eat subs, hoagies, or grinders?
Of course, there is the ultimate: soda or pop? (or Coke, or tonic)
...and this is why humans will never be able to communicate whatsoever.
Bismarks are those chocolate covered donuts with pudding inside. It's my favorite.
- Water fountain
- Sub
- Coke
I can't even cite regional differences. I've lived in PA, FL, CA, WA. Not sure when or where I came up with these beliefs. It's my feels.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I am extremely confused by purposely making food not taste good because "it's fuel". Or maybe the argument is the old parent argument of "poor children in Africa can't enjoy their food so you aren't allowed to either"?
So am I, who stated that?
What is your point?
I will agree that you're not explicitly against food tasting good, but you seem to have an issue with people enjoying it. It would follow, logically, that part of enjoying food is enjoying how it tastes.
You seem to have very black or white thinking on this issue. Reading between the lines of what you posted, it's almost as if it's not okay in your books for fat people to enjoy food for pleasure because they're fat.
Why?
Why can't food be good, and pleasurable and still within the realm of someone's correct energy balance?
I think your cut-and-dried, rather dull "food is fuel" and your initial point was that maybe fat people should remove emotions from eating as... what? Punishment for being fat? OR is that your solution to the obesity crisis?
Whatever you're doing, I don't think people who ignore the nuances of humankind's relationship with food have a balanced relationship with it. Food as fuel is just one aspect.
You might want to do some soul searching.
There are millions of people with a destructive, dysfunctional relationship with food - I will leave the deep soul searching to them, and not waste a moment of my time dissecting something that I do actually enjoy and is giving me great results. I'm former military and I think that there is a disconnect between my perception of discipline and delayed gratification and the mindset of others.
You're right. If you use the search function for these forums and search for emotional eating and stress eating (IMO just a subset of emotional eating) you will get 1,000 hits (which is apparently the max) for each of them.
The emotional ties to food surely are resulting in weight issues.
For some people.
Not all.
This is besides the original point, but you two are too busy back-patting each other to realize that you've strayed from it.
OR..
Are you deflecting from the original point BryLander made about the "epidemic" of emotional eating and the need to diminish the prevalence of eating for pleasure?
So emotional eating isn't an epidemic? So what is your theory on why so many people are overweight, did 68.8% of the people in the US just spontaneously get fat?
They don't move and eat too many calories
Surely not the only reason, but couldn't emotional eating be the reason some of the overweight and obese eat too many calories?
Some != "epidemic"
Because we live in a very fast paced and lazy society. And fattening foods are so easily and quickly available...... oh and the advertiaing we are subjected to.
foods in general are not "fattening" it's the amount of food we eat that makes us fat and lack of movement...
As for the "advertiaing" please we are all grown ups and get to choose what we put in our mouth...*rolls eyes* that sounds like a cop out to me....
Yeah okay so donuts and maccas fries arent fattening, right? If we ate these every day we would most likely put on weight if you eat an apple every day obviously not.
I think its a cop out the amount of people that say that sort of thing. *rolls eyes*
Obviously you wont gain weight if you maintain a balanced diet and stay in you calorie needa etc, but to say foods in generel aren't fattening is a cop out.
And sure maybe you are the 1 in a million person that isnt influenced by advertising.....
It is designed to influence us on so many levels obvious and subconsciously. You might not want to buy a big mac or a honda or a certain insurance policy emmidiately... but those messages stick with you wether you think its a cop out or not.
I eat a donut every Saturday morning (it's a tradition that my husband's grandfather has been doing for years). I ate that donut every week while thin, then overweight, then in my weight loss phase, then in the transition period between weight loss and maintenance, and now over 4 years into maintenance I still eat a donut every single Saturday, and will continue to do so until he passes away. A donut is made up of calories, just like every other food. I've learned how to fit the donut into my calorie targets, just like I've learned how to fit in the apples I eat, (which always include caramel dip lol).
As for advertising goes-no tv here, or FB, or delivery newspapers or magazines etc. I've even blocked the ads here on MFP. I'm a big kid now so I've figured out how to act like a grown up, most of the times
Eating one donut a week isn't really comparable to eating donuts and macca fries (whatever that is) every day. Not saying there is anything wrong with either, just saying they are pretty different.
not really...during my active weight loss phase I ate a chocolate bar everyday... I mean everyday...
a full one not mini.
240 calories...people say they are fattening...well tell that to the 60 lbs I left in the dust.4 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah yes!stevencloser wrote: »We got meat salad in Germany.
That used to feature in trick questions on German tests at school level. Fun for all the class there.
What kind of trick questions involve meat salad?0 -
1. Jelly donut
2. Water fountain
3. Sub
4. Pop (but I learned to say soda when going to college in MA and tend to write soda and sometimes say it still)
Grew up a bunch of places (mostly the west) with parents from the midwest (Iowa, Nebraska) and been in Chicago for many years.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »Is it a jelly roll, a jelly doughnut, or a Bismark?
Do you drink from a drinking fountain, a water fountain, or a bubbler?
Do you eat subs, hoagies, or grinders?
Of course, there is the ultimate: soda or pop? (or Coke, or tonic)
...and this is why humans will never be able to communicate whatsoever.
Bismarks are those chocolate covered donuts with pudding inside. It's my favorite.- Water fountain
- Sub
- Coke
I can't even cite regional differences. I've lived in PA, FL, CA, WA. Not sure when or where I came up with these beliefs. It's my feels.
Lol! The chef in me is having a cringe moment. That is not pudding in a Bismark. It is Creme' Patisserie. It's my foodie OCD kicking in I know... 5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »The fact that people say the exercise calorie database is way off. Like, what? I've been following for well over 5 years, probably 8 or so, no it's always spot on.
Depends on the exercise and the person.
Many exercises that vary a lot based on how hard/fast you are doing them get perceived as higher intensity by newbies to exercise or people way out of shape, and those are the ones that tend to be off.
Running x miles in y minutes at whatever one's weight is, pretty easy to estimate accurately, although the slower and longer you run (or walk) the more off the number is due to not subtracting the calories you would burn anyway during the same time. But other things, like swimming (MFP asks intensity, not speed or distance), zumba or other exercise classes, circuit training (depends a lot on what you do), elliptical, rowing (again, if based just on time, not distance), so on can be way off.
Other common issues I've seen from newbies include logging stationary biking as if it were outdoor biking (the calories tend to be less, often significantly less), again focusing on perceived intensity, not actual speed and resistence, and counting total time at gym vs. specific activities (newbie burning 1000 calories for 90 minutes at the gym "circuit training" or some such, when a lot of that was down time or activities that don't burn much).
Agree. Given that the 2 most common reasons for people not achieving their goals are underestimating intake and overestimating activity, I don't have any issue with either starting with only eating back half of exercise cals or being conservative with the exercise database.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »Is it a jelly roll, a jelly doughnut, or a Bismark?
Do you drink from a drinking fountain, a water fountain, or a bubbler?
Do you eat subs, hoagies, or grinders?
Of course, there is the ultimate: soda or pop? (or Coke, or tonic)
...and this is why humans will never be able to communicate whatsoever.
Bismarks are those chocolate covered donuts with pudding inside. It's my favorite.- Water fountain
- Sub
- Coke
I can't even cite regional differences. I've lived in PA, FL, CA, WA. Not sure when or where I came up with these beliefs. It's my feels.
Lol! The chef in me is having a cringe moment. That is not pudding in a Bismark. It is Creme' Patisserie. It's my foodie OCD kicking in I know...
Is it in a choux bun? So sort of a giant profiterole/missing its top religieuses?0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Is it a jelly roll, a jelly doughnut, or a Bismark?
Do you drink from a drinking fountain, a water fountain, or a bubbler?
Do you eat subs, hoagies, or grinders?
Of course, there is the ultimate: soda or pop? (or Coke, or tonic)
...and this is why humans will never be able to communicate whatsoever.
Bismarks are those chocolate covered donuts with pudding inside. It's my favorite.- Water fountain
- Sub
- Coke
I can't even cite regional differences. I've lived in PA, FL, CA, WA. Not sure when or where I came up with these beliefs. It's my feels.
Lol! The chef in me is having a cringe moment. That is not pudding in a Bismark. It is Creme' Patisserie. It's my foodie OCD kicking in I know...
Is it in a choux bun? So sort of a giant profiterole/missing its top religieuses?
Exactly! You never cease to impress!!
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cmriverside wrote: »Is it a jelly roll, a jelly doughnut, or a Bismark?
Do you drink from a drinking fountain, a water fountain, or a bubbler?
Do you eat subs, hoagies, or grinders?
Of course, there is the ultimate: soda or pop? (or Coke, or tonic)
...and this is why humans will never be able to communicate whatsoever.
Bismarks are those chocolate covered donuts with pudding inside. It's my favorite.- Water fountain
- Sub
- Coke
I can't even cite regional differences. I've lived in PA, FL, CA, WA. Not sure when or where I came up with these beliefs. It's my feels.
Lol! The chef in me is having a cringe moment. That is not pudding in a Bismark. It is Creme' Patisserie. It's my foodie OCD kicking in I know...
hahahah. And, here we go.
Sorry I didn't use the right WORD!!!!!2 -
To be fair, I buy the cheapie ones at Kroger's bakery. So you foodie/chefs, look away!!!1
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This would be for teenagers who have just started learning German. Tests would have various little line drawings, and a list of names. You have to match the names to the pictures. The pictures would include a German-style meat salad looking as unlike a salad to English eyes as possible, and something else that looked like a salad (to the casual observer) that wasn't a Salat.stevencloser wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah yes!stevencloser wrote: »We got meat salad in Germany.
That used to feature in trick questions on German tests at school level. Fun for all the class there.
What kind of trick questions involve meat salad?
As I'm sure we all know, the English are renowned for their foreign language skills, and this is why.
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