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French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wait, are women who have had actual pregnancies, some multiples, being mansplained about pregnancy?!
That is indeed the situation.
Fortunately there are men, like my husband, who tolerate their wives putting on the amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN for the trade off of knowing their music-loving little tyke had enough energy to quicken at the thunderous rumble of a cathedral-quality pipe organ ("A Mighty Fortress Is Our God") and to rock out at a Kid Rock concert (in Detroit...it doesn't get any better than flames, strippers, fur coats, and some assertive head banging going on in one's belly).
Stone Cold Pimpin'!5 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wait, are women who have had actual pregnancies, some multiples, being mansplained about pregnancy?!
Yup. I'm here to learn what a failure as a woman I am.
I should be barefoot in the kitchen, sorry.
Where's my sammich?9 -
French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wait, are women who have had actual pregnancies, some multiples, being mansplained about pregnancy?!
That is indeed the situation.
Fortunately there are men, like my husband, who tolerate their wives putting on the amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN for the trade off of knowing their music-loving little tyke had enough energy to quicken at the thunderous rumble of a cathedral-quality pipe organ ("A Mighty Fortress Is Our God") and to rock out at a Kid Rock concert (in Detroit...it doesn't get any better than flames, strippers, fur coats, and some assertive head banging going on in one's belly).
There is so much right with this post.
That's a well rounded kiddo.
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Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
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I think I win the award for Most Unpopular!Chef_Barbell wrote: »Oh boy.
Not quite the award I would have chosen for you.
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Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more point of enlightenment.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
If your point is that individuals have different needs - and those individuals and the doctors caring for them should analyze that particular situation and provide/follow those personal recommendations - then sure.
Oh, that wasn't your point?
Then, no. Not at all.20 -
French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wait, are women who have had actual pregnancies, some multiples, being mansplained about pregnancy?!
That is indeed the situation.
Fortunately there are men, like my husband, who tolerate their wives putting on the amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN for the trade off of knowing their music-loving little tyke had enough energy to quicken at the thunderous rumble of a cathedral-quality pipe organ ("A Mighty Fortress Is Our God") and to rock out at a Kid Rock concert (in Detroit...it doesn't get any better than flames, strippers, fur coats, and some assertive head banging going on in one's belly).
My sister had a similar experience when she saw Outkast while pregnant!8 -
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?27 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
This is what I'm wondering. Disregard what one's own individual doctor recommends, someone who has been their doctor for years (prior even to pregnancies) in favor of blanket, generalized guidelines based on statistical population studies?24 -
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
This shows a bit of ignorance on the subject. The CDC given general generic advice for the public. No one with any sense would ignore the advice of a physician actually familiar with them and their specific medical history in favor of general public advice.23 -
My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.9 -
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
The CDC is dealing with populations. A single OB will be dealing with their patient and making recommendations based on a history with that patient.9 -
My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
Unless you're in a situation where you can't get a new OB/GYN, most people seeing a quack would probably be better off finding a new doctor than simply ignoring what they say and following a generalized recommendation from the CDC.
If I was trying to decide how much weight to gain while pregnant, I'd prefer to deal with someone who was considering my medical history, recent test results, and the overall progression of my pregnancy.16 -
Since you asked, I will reply.janejellyroll wrote: »How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
Of course you don't.
But the OBGYN's advice should generally be in line with such recommendations unless you have a specific medical condition that indicates otherwise.
About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
If your assertion is that at least 1/3 of all pregnant women are somehow magically special then I suppose the CDC, WHO and related organizations need to publish a paper to clarify that.
Or are you saying that all of those First World over-fat women have special medical conditions that are not relevant to most of the rest of the world?4 -
My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
He suggested that a person should ignore their OBGYN in favor of the CDC recommendation.
You may have not had a good experience with your OBGYN, but I trusted mine and if she suggested something that deviated from general guidelines, I would have asked her why she felt that way and probably ultimately trusted her judgement.
I think, but I might have misunderstood the comments, but the male poster in question also made a passive aggressive insinuation that because one of the female participants in the discussion went to loud concerts while pregnant, that there may have been negative consequence for the child once born. I think that's what this comment was in reference to... I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
So yeah, I don't think people are being overly sensitive in their responses at all.
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Since you asked, I will reply.janejellyroll wrote: »How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
Of course you don't.
But the OBGYN's advice should generally be in line with such recommendations unless you have a specific medical condition that indicates otherwise.
About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
If your assertion is that pregnant are somehow magically special then I suppose the CDC, WHO and related organizations need to publish a paper to clarify that.
Wait a minute. That doesn't follow at all. Just because 1/3 of Americans are overweight, it doesn't follow that 1/3 of American women are overweight. Even if 1/3 of American women are overweight, it doesn't follow that 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight (what if more overweight women are before/after childbearing years, infertile, or just deciding not to reproduce?).
Can you see the problem here?
Let's try another framing.
.4% of the US population is active duty military.
Ergo: .4% of women are active duty military.
Corollary: .4% of pregnant women are active duty military.
But let's set this distressingly basic leap of poor logic aside. I'm sure *lots* of pregnant women are overweight. That still doesn't mean that the best guide to their weight gain during pregnancy is CDC recommendations instead of partnership with their doctor.
Nobody is saying that pregnant women are "magically special" (whatever you mean by that). People are trying to communicate to you that a blanket recommendation for weight gain during pregnancy is not as valuable as a doctor's recommendation. You seem to be reading that as if we think doctors should be telling women to gain as much as they want. Nobody is saying that.23 -
janejellyroll wrote: »My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
Unless you're in a situation where you can't get a new OB/GYN, most people seeing a quack would probably be better off finding a new doctor than simply ignoring what they say and following a generalized recommendation from the CDC.
If I was trying to decide how much weight to gain while pregnant, I'd prefer to deal with someone who was considering my medical history, recent test results, and the overall progression of my pregnancy.
Yes, your preference is your opinion.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Since you asked, I will reply.janejellyroll wrote: »How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
Of course you don't.
But the OBGYN's advice should generally be in line with such recommendations unless you have a specific medical condition that indicates otherwise.
About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
If your assertion is that pregnant are somehow magically special then I suppose the CDC, WHO and related organizations need to publish a paper to clarify that.
Wait a minute. That doesn't follow at all. Just because 1/3 of Americans are overweight, it doesn't follow that 1/3 of American women are overweight. Even if 1/3 of American women are overweight, it doesn't follow that 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight (what if more overweight women are before/after childbearing years, infertile, or just deciding not to reproduce?).
Can you see the problem here?
Let's try another framing.
.4% of the US population is active duty military.
Ergo: .4% of women are active duty military.
Corollary: .4% of pregnant women are active duty military.
But let's set this distressingly basic leap of poor logic aside. I'm sure *lots* of pregnant women are overweight. That still doesn't mean that the best guide to their weight gain during pregnancy is CDC recommendations instead of partnership with their doctor.
Nobody is saying that pregnant women are "magically special" (whatever you mean by that). People are trying to communicate to you that a blanket recommendation for weight gain during pregnancy is not as valuable as a doctor's recommendation. You seem to be reading that as if we think doctors should be telling women to gain as much as they want. Nobody is saying that.
Precisely. That's exactly like saying that "as long as you stay within your caloric allotment to lose weight" = "Eat crap all day long and never include anything healthy, ever."
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My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
When he added this - "Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?" - the advice went from general to individual. That was the problem.10 -
I acknowledge the math is not formal, proper or even accurate. I was using it to frame a sample size.janejellyroll wrote: »About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
The point is that many people do gain as much weight as they want, regardless of what a doctor recommends. Male or female, pregnant or not.
Interjecting that an OBGYN said it was a "healthy" amount is merely justification.1 -
Since you asked, I will reply.janejellyroll wrote: »How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
Of course you don't.
But the OBGYN's advice should generally be in line with such recommendations unless you have a specific medical condition that indicates otherwise.
About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
If your assertion is that pregnant women are somehow magically special then I suppose the CDC, WHO and related organizations need to publish a paper to clarify that.
Or are you saying that all of those First World over-fat women have special medical conditions that are not relevant to most of the rest of the world?
i mean, there are a host of pre-existing conditions which can affect a woman's pregnancy, dozens of potential complications and risk factors and a higher degree of susceptibility to various infections, but sure, individualized care is over-rated and specific medical conditions are rare. being over-fat is just ONE element of a pregnancy equation to consider, but many many women world wide have pregnancies which are specifically complicated to their individual health and circumstances. so, yeah, where you have access to individualized pre-natal care, i'm guessing it's going to suit you better than trying to compile the cdc's advice on what an asthmatic, depressed, overweight pregnant woman with uterine fibroids should be concerned about via the google.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
Unless you're in a situation where you can't get a new OB/GYN, most people seeing a quack would probably be better off finding a new doctor than simply ignoring what they say and following a generalized recommendation from the CDC.
If I was trying to decide how much weight to gain while pregnant, I'd prefer to deal with someone who was considering my medical history, recent test results, and the overall progression of my pregnancy.
Yes, your preference is your opinion.
Okay, but it's not my *opinion* than an OB/GYN will be providing a personalized assessment based on the circumstances of my pregnancy and the CDC guidelines were for the general population.8 -
I find it somewhat amazing that a guy that had no idea his wife was pregnant until she gave birth thinks he's qualified to argue with women (some of whom have given birth) regarding pregnancy.56
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WinoGelato wrote: »My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
He suggested that a person should ignore their OBGYN in favor of the CDC recommendation.
You may have not had a good experience with your OBGYN, but I trusted mine and if she suggested something that deviated from general guidelines, I would have asked her why she felt that way and probably ultimately trusted her judgement.
I think, but I might have misunderstood the comments, but the male poster in question also made a passive aggressive insinuation that because one of the female participants in the discussion went to loud concerts while pregnant, that there may have been negative consequence for the child once born. I think that's what this comment was in reference to... I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
So yeah, I don't think people are being overly sensitive in their responses at all.
I really think you are. How else is someone supposed to express an opinion if not in general terms? And with statistics that are backed up by the CDC as applying to MOST people? Should he have said an opinion that applies to 1% of the population where gaining over 50lbs is ok? Or the 1% where losing 20lbs is ok?
So what if he expressed concern over fatal exposure to high decibels ( which may be harmful)? Isn't that a separate debate? Like drinking and smoking while in a hot tub while pregnant would be?2 -
I acknowledge the math is not formal, proper or even accurate. I was using it to frame a sample size.janejellyroll wrote: »About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
The problem isn't with the math. The problem is with the assumption that if you determine how much of the population fits in [bracket A], it will automatically tell you how many women fit into [bracket A] and that will automatically tell you how many pregnant women fit into [bracket A].
You can have situations where more (or less) of the population fits into a bracket than women as a whole. You will also have situations where more (or fewer) women fit into a bracket than pregnant women as a whole. They're probably never going to be direct correlations like that.
You aren't "framing a sample size." Knowing how many Americans are overweight doesn't allow us to conclude how many pregnant women are.
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I find it somewhat amazing that a guy that had no idea his wife was pregnant until she gave birth thinks he's qualified to argue with women (some of whom have given birth) regarding pregnancy.
Cosigned.
I also think his position and that of the poster who stated the 20 pound weight gain "limit" (oh, you two should have been around the hot, hot summer I was pregnant with my first and with the fluid retention that heat gave me, you would have had a field day) would be radically different if men carried babies.
And psst... guys, I did bring up something here... not all extra weight gained in pregnancy is fat.22 -
I find it somewhat amazing that a guy that had no idea his wife was pregnant until she gave birth thinks he's qualified to argue with women (some of whom have given birth) regarding pregnancy.
This has me a bit gobsmacked as well. I'm getting the impression that there might be a weird sense of proprietary pride in his wife not having gained any weight during her pregnancy (instead of becoming - what was it? Oh, yeah a "piggy") going on here and that that is something that's healthy/desirable/to be strived for in a pregnant wife?
tl;dr: fatshaming in a humble brag disguise
PS: If it matters, I've given birth. I gained weight. I had a healthy daughter. I lost weight. Happy end of story. 39 -
I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.2
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