Welcome to Debate Club! Please be aware that this is a space for respectful debate, and that your ideas will be challenged here. Please remember to critique the argument, not the author.
What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
Options
Replies
-
It surprises me that Australia has such high prices. I mean, I understand it being so for imported processed (foreign) stuff, but can't you guys grow cows and sheep and corn about the same as we here in the U.S.? I guess I'll add to my gratitude list "affordable and wide variety of food." It must be a subsidy or policy issue.
I don't suppose my rambling belongs in this thread, does it?
unpopular: I think evangelical food discussions should be banished along with talk about abortion, religion and politics in polite conversation.
On here, bring it.
3 -
cmriverside wrote: »It surprises me that Australia has such high prices. I mean, I understand it being so for imported processed (foreign) stuff, but can't you guys grow cows and sheep and corn about the same as we here in the U.S.? I guess I'll add to my gratitude list "affordable and wide variety of food." It must be a subsidy or policy issue.
I don't suppose my rambling belongs in this thread, does it?
unpopular: I think evangelical food discussions should be banished along with talk about abortion, religion and politics in polite conversation.
On here, bring it.
I think it correlates to wages. Our wages are a lot higher than in the U.S, so therefore we have to pay more for everything. The minimum wage here is $17- $18 per hour, this is for 18+ year olds. My 22 year old son is working at the submarine base as a trade assistant, he brings a home a minimum of $1100 per week, I don't even want to know what the workers with a bona fide trade make, big $$$$.4 -
@Christine_72 I'm curious how much you pay for boneless leg of lamb there? At Costco it's imported from Australia and is priced anywhere from $4-7 per pound. Which is pretty cheap, imo. I'd be amazed if Australians paid more for lamb than US does for an Australian import.0
-
@Lourdesong Boneless leg of lamb is $19 per kg 1kg = 2.2lbs. This is the price from my local Butcher who i just called, not sure if supermarkets are much cheaper or dearer. Butchers are "usually" cheaper here.
ETA: I just rang the supermarket who are supposed to have competitive prices, and they charge $25 per kg. I don't eat lamb so didnt know the prices off the top of my head.2 -
Don't hate me but the whole "you can be obese and healthy" mindset is absurd to me. Define healthy. You mean to tell me your joints don't ever hurt? You aren't at risk for more diseases than if you were of a normal weight? Be honest with yourself! Let's stop sugar coating (no pun intended) this by calling it "body positivity."
This ⬆️
0 -
On the flip of things being more expensive in Australia - our wages are significantly higher than the US. I mean, absolute buttloads higher. A person flipping burgers at McDonalds is on $18 an hour. Working behind a bar can get you up to $30 an hour, depending on the day. More on public holidays etc.
Working in an office is easily a minimum $35,000 per year job with 4 weeks paid holidays, 10 paid sick days and maternity leave.
When I lived in the US, I worked at a shop for $6 an hour, and as an office manager/paralegal for $10 an hour. No paid leave whatsoever. No healthcare, no benefits.
Having lived and worked in both countries, prices may be higher here, but I can afford to live a lot better here than I could there.14 -
Christine_72 wrote: »@Lourdesong Boneless leg of lamb is $19 per kg 1kg = 2.2lbs. This is the price from my local Butcher who i just called, not sure if supermarkets are much cheaper or dearer. Butchers are "usually" cheaper here.
ETA: I just rang the supermarket who are supposed to have competitive prices, and they charge $25 per kg. I don't eat lamb so didnt know the prices off the top of my head.
So if I assume $10 AUD per lb, that's $7-something USD per lb, so yeah, you're paying more, even if just a little more, for some reason.
You really didn't have to go to all the trouble to call around for prices to satisfy my curiosity, but that you did was pretty cool of you.
5 -
Lourdesong wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@Lourdesong Boneless leg of lamb is $19 per kg 1kg = 2.2lbs. This is the price from my local Butcher who i just called, not sure if supermarkets are much cheaper or dearer. Butchers are "usually" cheaper here.
ETA: I just rang the supermarket who are supposed to have competitive prices, and they charge $25 per kg. I don't eat lamb so didnt know the prices off the top of my head.
So if I assume $10 AUD per lb, that's $7-something USD per lb, so yeah, you're paying more, even if just a little more, for some reason.
You really didn't have to go to all the trouble to call around for prices to satisfy my curiosity, but that you did was pretty cool of you.
Boneless leg of lamb where I am in around $13 per kilo, so it also depends a lot of where you're located. In my book, $25 a kilo for boneless lamb leg is outrageous.2 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@Lourdesong Boneless leg of lamb is $19 per kg 1kg = 2.2lbs. This is the price from my local Butcher who i just called, not sure if supermarkets are much cheaper or dearer. Butchers are "usually" cheaper here.
ETA: I just rang the supermarket who are supposed to have competitive prices, and they charge $25 per kg. I don't eat lamb so didnt know the prices off the top of my head.
So if I assume $10 AUD per lb, that's $7-something USD per lb, so yeah, you're paying more, even if just a little more, for some reason.
You really didn't have to go to all the trouble to call around for prices to satisfy my curiosity, but that you did was pretty cool of you.
Boneless leg of lamb where I am in around $13 per kilo, so it also depends a lot of where you're located. In my book, $25 a kilo for boneless lamb leg is outrageous.
The $25 one was from Woolies. I'm in SA.Lourdesong wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@Lourdesong Boneless leg of lamb is $19 per kg 1kg = 2.2lbs. This is the price from my local Butcher who i just called, not sure if supermarkets are much cheaper or dearer. Butchers are "usually" cheaper here.
ETA: I just rang the supermarket who are supposed to have competitive prices, and they charge $25 per kg. I don't eat lamb so didnt know the prices off the top of my head.
So if I assume $10 AUD per lb, that's $7-something USD per lb, so yeah, you're paying more, even if just a little more, for some reason.
You really didn't have to go to all the trouble to call around for prices to satisfy my curiosity, but that you did was pretty cool of you.
No worries Your question made me curious to see the price differences.
4 -
Christine_72 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I looked up watermelons on a supermarket site. I don't think you want to know.........£3.50 for a giant one
You suck!
Watermelon: about 30 cents per kilo.
We don't have frozen meals other than pizza, but let me say it's cheaper to just order it from a fast food restaurant. I bought a small one the other day for $6. I wish I looked at the price before throwing it on my grocery pile.
We don't have Halo Top, but anything specialty food is expensive. I was able to find Quest bars at $7 I think.
McDonald's is on the cheaper side and clocks at about $7 for a meal.
People often doubt me when I say that more than 90% of my food is home cooked and minimally processed and has always been that way regardless of my weight, but given that the average annual income of the individual is about 20% of that in US and Australia and how relatively cheap fresh foods are, it's expected.1 -
There is no such thing as cheating when it comes to weight loss unless you're a member of the biggest loser. We're not in competition.
Fake sugars are definitely not healthy, though probably not worse than being 30 lbs overweight from drinking too much soda.
I join competitions for fun, but I go to the gym to train or burn calories. Fitness is a side-effect.
The facts on artificial sweeteners disagree with your opinion.6 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »On the flip of things being more expensive in Australia - our wages are significantly higher than the US. I mean, absolute buttloads higher. A person flipping burgers at McDonalds is on $18 an hour. Working behind a bar can get you up to $30 an hour, depending on the day. More on public holidays etc.
Working in an office is easily a minimum $35,000 per year job with 4 weeks paid holidays, 10 paid sick days and maternity leave.
When I lived in the US, I worked at a shop for $6 an hour, and as an office manager/paralegal for $10 an hour. No paid leave whatsoever. No healthcare, no benefits.
Having lived and worked in both countries, prices may be higher here, but I can afford to live a lot better here than I could there.
This.
It's about wages vs cost of living. You can't compare apples to apples (or lamb to lamb as it were) without adjusting for that.4 -
I believe fast food is toxic and should only be eaten if last/only food on the planet. Very unpopular view here on MFP.
I believe that HAES is a ballocks
I believe that being healthy and fit is the true body positivity and self love...not this pretend love for self while destroying ones body through obesity and neglect.
Hi
I would have to disagree that all FF is toxic, what part of selectively eating it is toxic. Hamburger is hamburger no where it is cooked, slices of cheese and the bun, same thing. The Lettuce, Onions and Tomatoes should also be OK.
In my case every now & then I buy a Burger King Whopper with the flame broiled hamburger, no cheese. Discard most of the bun, Eat the Vegetables and the Burger as 95% of it. That gives me what becomes a flame broiled Beef Patty and a vegetable salad,
OTOH I do find that many baked goods are bad for me. Sweets such as Pies, Cakes, Donuts, Cookies, Bagels, cupcakes and Ice cream have a instant effect in causing a huge craving for more of them. Add in the way they lead to water retention which is much worse than happens with salty foods BTW and I Try to stay away from them.
Or to put it another way there are worse things to eat than Fast Food.
Have a Nice Day
Roger0 -
re: cost of eating well. I don't spend any more or less than I did before on food. I spend about $150.00-175.00/week now same as when I was obese.0
-
007dualitygirl wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
Not true. Hypothyroid causes me much grief. If I eat too little, all metabolic hell breaks lose and I gain weight. There is a balance that is required. Many times people are eating TOO FEW calories and their body is on lockdown.
A calculator can say "you burned 1500 calories today" and you can eat 1000 calories, but if in reality, you only burned 1000 calories that day because you have metabolic syndrome or hypothyroidism, you will not see results at all.
Point being that you have to take responsibility for increasing your metabolism along with keeping your caloric intake at bay.
That being said, if there are no real metabolic issues -- then I totally agree.
For metabolic issues, FIX the metabolism problem ... people say they have a slow metabolism while drinking alcohol everyday, never lifting weights to increase muscle mass, never doing HiiT cardio ... never working on their stress levels ... etc -- well that is irresponsible.
I'm going to go have my wine now and stop complaining about how I can't lose 20 pounds
no just no.
and there is no way to "eat too little and gain weight" such a cop out6 -
I don't spend more either. I probably spend less, as I am less likely to order in for dinner (which is expensive) or to buy lunch (same, compared to cooking), and more likely to use all of the food I buy and not let anything go to waste (which happened when I cooked less consistently, although really that change happened quite a while ago). Also, when I do go out to eat I'm more likely to get 2-3 meals out of it.
I think a lot of the comparisons are not like to like. A candy bar is a snack, carrots are part of a meal and contribute nutrients, so calorie to calorie is not the point. Similarly, McD's should be compared to cheaper at home staples, like ground beef, chicken thighs, frozen and in season veg, not organic out of season stuff. Wild-caught salmon and grass fed beef and organics need to be compared to restaurants that serve that kind of stuff or convenience foods that involve them -- typically you pay for convenience.
Now, IMO, nothing wrong with paying for convenience, especially if it's worth the cost to make eating well more sustainable.3 -
007dualitygirl wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
Not true. Hypothyroid causes me much grief. If I eat too little, all metabolic hell breaks lose and I gain weight. There is a balance that is required. Many times people are eating TOO FEW calories and their body is on lockdown.
A calculator can say "you burned 1500 calories today" and you can eat 1000 calories, but if in reality, you only burned 1000 calories that day because you have metabolic syndrome or hypothyroidism, you will not see results at all.
Point being that you have to take responsibility for increasing your metabolism along with keeping your caloric intake at bay.
That being said, if there are no real metabolic issues -- then I totally agree.
For metabolic issues, FIX the metabolism problem ... people say they have a slow metabolism while drinking alcohol everyday, never lifting weights to increase muscle mass, never doing HiiT cardio ... never working on their stress levels ... etc -- well that is irresponsible.
I'm going to go have my wine now and stop complaining about how I can't lose 20 pounds
The impact of thyroid and metabolism is minimal. This amounts to ~5% reduction in BMR/REE based on clinical results. This amounts to 80 kcals/day out of a 1600 kcal/day budget.5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't spend more either. I probably spend less, as I am less likely to order in for dinner (which is expensive) or to buy lunch (same, compared to cooking), and more likely to use all of the food I buy and not let anything go to waste (which happened when I cooked less consistently, although really that change happened quite a while ago). Also, when I do go out to eat I'm more likely to get 2-3 meals out of it.
I think a lot of the comparisons are not like to like. A candy bar is a snack, carrots are part of a meal and contribute nutrients, so calorie to calorie is not the point. Similarly, McD's should be compared to cheaper at home staples, like ground beef, chicken thighs, frozen and in season veg, not organic out of season stuff. Wild-caught salmon and grass fed beef and organics need to be compared to restaurants that serve that kind of stuff or convenience foods that involve them -- typically you pay for convenience.
Now, IMO, nothing wrong with paying for convenience, especially if it's worth the cost to make eating well more sustainable.
This comment makes me think of something a very wise designer told me; he intended it for the graphic design market, but I think it applies to food as well: "You can get it cheap, fast, or good--but pick two 'cause you can't have all three at the same time." (Red Robin gets pretty darn close though!)10 -
TeacupsAndToning wrote: »
I drink generic diet coke. I might as well be drinking antifreeze!
I drink diet Mountain Dew. I think that is antifreeze.
Edited for spelling.1 -
Unless you are at death's door WLS is never the answer. I lost 100lbs in 18 months. NO WLS, no pills, no magic belt, ... eating right, exercise, and lot of self discipline. I have recently put about 20 back on due to very stressful situations... I moved and I'm back at it to finish what I started. WLS is unhealthy, dangerous, and you will look like crap afterward, kind of like a melted candle...LOL. I aslo in the process of losing the pounds, reversed my type 2 diabetes and my thyroid levels now test normal with no medication... diabetes, thyroid, PCOS.. are not reasons you're not losing weight... those are reasons you NEED to lose weight!6
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 391.3K Introduce Yourself
- 43.4K Getting Started
- 259.6K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.6K Food and Nutrition
- 47.3K Recipes
- 232.3K Fitness and Exercise
- 387 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.4K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 152.7K Motivation and Support
- 7.8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.2K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.2K MyFitnessPal Information
- 22 News and Announcements
- 913 Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.3K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions