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Since you asked, I will reply.janejellyroll wrote: »How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
Of course you don't.
But the OBGYN's advice should generally be in line with such recommendations unless you have a specific medical condition that indicates otherwise.
About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
If your assertion is that pregnant women are somehow magically special then I suppose the CDC, WHO and related organizations need to publish a paper to clarify that.
Or are you saying that all of those First World over-fat women have special medical conditions that are not relevant to most of the rest of the world?
i mean, there are a host of pre-existing conditions which can affect a woman's pregnancy, dozens of potential complications and risk factors and a higher degree of susceptibility to various infections, but sure, individualized care is over-rated and specific medical conditions are rare. being over-fat is just ONE element of a pregnancy equation to consider, but many many women world wide have pregnancies which are specifically complicated to their individual health and circumstances. so, yeah, where you have access to individualized pre-natal care, i'm guessing it's going to suit you better than trying to compile the cdc's advice on what an asthmatic, depressed, overweight pregnant woman with uterine fibroids should be concerned about via the google.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
Unless you're in a situation where you can't get a new OB/GYN, most people seeing a quack would probably be better off finding a new doctor than simply ignoring what they say and following a generalized recommendation from the CDC.
If I was trying to decide how much weight to gain while pregnant, I'd prefer to deal with someone who was considering my medical history, recent test results, and the overall progression of my pregnancy.
Yes, your preference is your opinion.
Okay, but it's not my *opinion* than an OB/GYN will be providing a personalized assessment based on the circumstances of my pregnancy and the CDC guidelines were for the general population.8 -
I find it somewhat amazing that a guy that had no idea his wife was pregnant until she gave birth thinks he's qualified to argue with women (some of whom have given birth) regarding pregnancy.56
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WinoGelato wrote: »My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
He suggested that a person should ignore their OBGYN in favor of the CDC recommendation.
You may have not had a good experience with your OBGYN, but I trusted mine and if she suggested something that deviated from general guidelines, I would have asked her why she felt that way and probably ultimately trusted her judgement.
I think, but I might have misunderstood the comments, but the male poster in question also made a passive aggressive insinuation that because one of the female participants in the discussion went to loud concerts while pregnant, that there may have been negative consequence for the child once born. I think that's what this comment was in reference to... I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
So yeah, I don't think people are being overly sensitive in their responses at all.
I really think you are. How else is someone supposed to express an opinion if not in general terms? And with statistics that are backed up by the CDC as applying to MOST people? Should he have said an opinion that applies to 1% of the population where gaining over 50lbs is ok? Or the 1% where losing 20lbs is ok?
So what if he expressed concern over fatal exposure to high decibels ( which may be harmful)? Isn't that a separate debate? Like drinking and smoking while in a hot tub while pregnant would be?2 -
I acknowledge the math is not formal, proper or even accurate. I was using it to frame a sample size.janejellyroll wrote: »About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
The problem isn't with the math. The problem is with the assumption that if you determine how much of the population fits in [bracket A], it will automatically tell you how many women fit into [bracket A] and that will automatically tell you how many pregnant women fit into [bracket A].
You can have situations where more (or less) of the population fits into a bracket than women as a whole. You will also have situations where more (or fewer) women fit into a bracket than pregnant women as a whole. They're probably never going to be direct correlations like that.
You aren't "framing a sample size." Knowing how many Americans are overweight doesn't allow us to conclude how many pregnant women are.
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I find it somewhat amazing that a guy that had no idea his wife was pregnant until she gave birth thinks he's qualified to argue with women (some of whom have given birth) regarding pregnancy.
Cosigned.
I also think his position and that of the poster who stated the 20 pound weight gain "limit" (oh, you two should have been around the hot, hot summer I was pregnant with my first and with the fluid retention that heat gave me, you would have had a field day) would be radically different if men carried babies.
And psst... guys, I did bring up something here... not all extra weight gained in pregnancy is fat.22 -
I find it somewhat amazing that a guy that had no idea his wife was pregnant until she gave birth thinks he's qualified to argue with women (some of whom have given birth) regarding pregnancy.
This has me a bit gobsmacked as well. I'm getting the impression that there might be a weird sense of proprietary pride in his wife not having gained any weight during her pregnancy (instead of becoming - what was it? Oh, yeah a "piggy") going on here and that that is something that's healthy/desirable/to be strived for in a pregnant wife?
tl;dr: fatshaming in a humble brag disguise
PS: If it matters, I've given birth. I gained weight. I had a healthy daughter. I lost weight. Happy end of story.
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I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.2
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dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
You do realize that many grains don't contain gluten?
I have celiac disease, but plenty of grains and I are very good friends.15 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Apples give me a stomachache. Therefore people aren't necessarily meant to eat apples?17 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
You do realize that many grains don't contain gluten?
I have celiac disease, but plenty of grains and I are very good friends.
Sorghum is amazing stuff. I've been experimenting fermenting old recipes using sorghum as a base. Has a very earthy sweet flavor to it.4 -
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
I was a BMI of 22. I put on 38 lbs with both kids. My OBGYN said that I was perfect. I am once again a BMI of 22.
Thank you for inquiring about my children, because I enjoy telling people how delightful they are. My children were and are relentlessly healthy, thin, glossy-haired, bright eyed, and active, with lovely, powerful athletic builds. They are exceedingly intelligent, likely due at least in small part to my impeccable diet and adherence to high-quality vitamin and Omega 3 protocols. They also love music, sing four-part harmony with their respective choirs, and are learning to play the guitar, in addition to their many athletic endeavors. They have not yet been introduced to Kid Rock this side of the birth process, but have large passages of the Lutheran hymnal memorized. I will now forcibly restrain myself from further bragging about them (oh, they are also beeeeyooootiful!)
Regarding the quality of my OBGYN, she served her residency in a noted university hospital, is accomplished, skilled, and highly regarded in our medical community. She is also exceedingly intelligent, and I think has enough critical thinking ability not to get her knickers in a twist when a patient is 3 lbs above the CDC limit. In short, she is a consummate professional. I am guessing that she would have been able to tell I was pregnant, even if for some reason I didn't notice obvious signs of change, like a sudden proclivity for chugging large amounts of milk.
I believe my husband is highly satisfied with beautiful, healthy children; a low-maintenance, responsible and happily pregnant wife; and the high quality of medical care for the family under his watch.40 -
French_Peasant wrote: »
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
I was a BMI of 22. I put on 38 lbs with both kids. My OBGYN said that I was perfect. I am once again a BMI of 22.
Thank you for inquiring about my children, because I enjoy telling people how delightful they are. My children were and are relentlessly healthy, thin, glossy-haired, bright eyed, and active, with lovely, powerful athletic builds. They are exceedingly intelligent, likely due at least in small part to my impeccable diet and adherence to high-quality vitamin and Omega 3 protocols. They also love music, sing four-part harmony with their respective choirs, and are learning to play the guitar, in addition to their many athletic endeavors. They have not yet been introduced to Kid Rock this side of the birth process, but have large passages of the Lutheran hymnal memorized. I will now forcibly restrain myself from further bragging about them (oh, they are also beeeeyooootiful!)
Regarding the quality of my OBGYN, she served her residency in a noted university hospital, is accomplished, skilled, and highly regarded in our medical community. She is also exceedingly intelligent, and I think has enough critical thinking ability not to get her knickers in a twist when a patient is 3 lbs above the CDC limit. In short, she is a consummate professional. I am guessing that she would have been able to tell I was pregnant, even if for some reason I didn't notice obvious signs of change, like a sudden proclivity for chugging large amounts of milk.
I believe my husband is highly satisfied with beautiful, healthy children; a low-maintenance, responsible and happily pregnant wife; and the high quality of medical care for the family under his watch.
...and pray tell what exactly are you waiting for?10 -
French_Peasant wrote: »
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
I was a BMI of 22. I put on 38 lbs with both kids. My OBGYN said that I was perfect. I am once again a BMI of 22.
Thank you for inquiring about my children, because I enjoy telling people how delightful they are. My children were and are relentlessly healthy, thin, glossy-haired, bright eyed, and active, with lovely, powerful athletic builds. They are exceedingly intelligent, likely due at least in small part to my impeccable diet and adherence to high-quality vitamin and Omega 3 protocols. They also love music, sing four-part harmony with their respective choirs, and are learning to play the guitar, in addition to their many athletic endeavors. They have not yet been introduced to Kid Rock this side of the birth process, but have large passages of the Lutheran hymnal memorized. I will now forcibly restrain myself from further bragging about them (oh, they are also beeeeyooootiful!)
Regarding the quality of my OBGYN, she served her residency in a noted university hospital, is accomplished, skilled, and highly regarded in our medical community. She is also exceedingly intelligent, and I think has enough critical thinking ability not to get her knickers in a twist when a patient is 3 lbs above the CDC limit. In short, she is a consummate professional. I am guessing that she would have been able to tell I was pregnant, even if for some reason I didn't notice obvious signs of change, like a sudden proclivity for chugging large amounts of milk.
I believe my husband is highly satisfied with beautiful, healthy children; a low-maintenance, responsible and happily pregnant wife; and the high quality of medical care for the family under his watch.
...and pray tell what exactly are you waiting for?
It is extremely difficult. However, we are starting them off with a solid grounding of Cash/Hag/Waylon/George, the Stones, Sugar Hill Gang, general funk, general blues, and selected Beastie Boys.
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French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
I was a BMI of 22. I put on 38 lbs with both kids. My OBGYN said that I was perfect. I am once again a BMI of 22.
Thank you for inquiring about my children, because I enjoy telling people how delightful they are. My children were and are relentlessly healthy, thin, glossy-haired, bright eyed, and active, with lovely, powerful athletic builds. They are exceedingly intelligent, likely due at least in small part to my impeccable diet and adherence to high-quality vitamin and Omega 3 protocols. They also love music, sing four-part harmony with their respective choirs, and are learning to play the guitar, in addition to their many athletic endeavors. They have not yet been introduced to Kid Rock this side of the birth process, but have large passages of the Lutheran hymnal memorized. I will now forcibly restrain myself from further bragging about them (oh, they are also beeeeyooootiful!)
Regarding the quality of my OBGYN, she served her residency in a noted university hospital, is accomplished, skilled, and highly regarded in our medical community. She is also exceedingly intelligent, and I think has enough critical thinking ability not to get her knickers in a twist when a patient is 3 lbs above the CDC limit. In short, she is a consummate professional. I am guessing that she would have been able to tell I was pregnant, even if for some reason I didn't notice obvious signs of change, like a sudden proclivity for chugging large amounts of milk.
I believe my husband is highly satisfied with beautiful, healthy children; a low-maintenance, responsible and happily pregnant wife; and the high quality of medical care for the family under his watch.
...and pray tell what exactly are you waiting for?
It is extremely difficult. However, we are starting them off with a solid grounding of Cash/Hag/Waylon/George, the Stones, Sugar Hill Gang, general funk, general blues, and selected Beastie Boys.
A well-rounded education. <nods>8 -
I'm not really sure how the percentage of Americans (or even pregnant women) who are overweight has anything to do with how much a specific person should gain when pregnant. I mean, surely for a specific person you don't have to go by national averages but can get actual figures about one's own situation, including one's own weight.
The argument seems to be lots of Americans are overweight, therefore no woman should gain more than 20 lbs (which is not even the recommended weight gain for non overweight women according to the CDC, the CDC says 25-35 lbs, up to 25 lb even if overweight, up to 20 lb if obese). And all the women saying that's nonsense in this discussion (whatever their actual stats) must be justifying their obesity and desire to get all piggy (and I recall that word actually being used).
And those who object to this are just being overly sensitive.
Neato.20 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
What does it mean for humans to be "meant" to eat something?
I am not gluten intolerant (and like GottaBurnEm notes, grains and gluten is not the same thing -- corn and rice are grains but don't have gluten), and I am not lactose or dairy intolerant, in fact I have a genetic adaptation that allows me to happily consume dairy as an adult (lactase persistence), which is extremely common with northern and western Europeans, as well as various other groups. So my genes seem to say I was "meant" to consume those items to the extent we are meant to consume anything (personally I don't think that we can means we should, the latter is really a personal, philosophical, ethical choice, but has nothing to do with "meant," which seems to demand the question "by whom?").8 -
The argument of "meant to" is a weird one. Humans are known for their adaptability. What was that thing that the men adapted to on the Lewis & Clark expedition? Camas root? The first time the ate it they were sick, but with it being the only food source available, they adapted to it (or something like that).
What we are "meant to" do, if anything, is adapt to foods in our environment. It seems very odd to me, if you're going to ascribe to a philosophy of being "meant to" eat certain things, that you'd be plopped into an environment with certain foods not being meant to eat them. Or to better state the reality, given the ability to travel from one environment to another, and having a system which is hardwired to only survive in one's native region.
It just doesn't make sense.13
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