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French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wait, are women who have had actual pregnancies, some multiples, being mansplained about pregnancy?!
That is indeed the situation.
Fortunately there are men, like my husband, who tolerate their wives putting on the amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN for the trade off of knowing their music-loving little tyke had enough energy to quicken at the thunderous rumble of a cathedral-quality pipe organ ("A Mighty Fortress Is Our God") and to rock out at a Kid Rock concert (in Detroit...it doesn't get any better than flames, strippers, fur coats, and some assertive head banging going on in one's belly).
Stone Cold Pimpin'!5 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wait, are women who have had actual pregnancies, some multiples, being mansplained about pregnancy?!
Yup. I'm here to learn what a failure as a woman I am.
I should be barefoot in the kitchen, sorry.
Where's my sammich?9 -
French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wait, are women who have had actual pregnancies, some multiples, being mansplained about pregnancy?!
That is indeed the situation.
Fortunately there are men, like my husband, who tolerate their wives putting on the amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN for the trade off of knowing their music-loving little tyke had enough energy to quicken at the thunderous rumble of a cathedral-quality pipe organ ("A Mighty Fortress Is Our God") and to rock out at a Kid Rock concert (in Detroit...it doesn't get any better than flames, strippers, fur coats, and some assertive head banging going on in one's belly).
There is so much right with this post.
That's a well rounded kiddo.
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Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
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I think I win the award for Most Unpopular!Chef_Barbell wrote: »Oh boy.
Not quite the award I would have chosen for you.
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Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more point of enlightenment.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
If your point is that individuals have different needs - and those individuals and the doctors caring for them should analyze that particular situation and provide/follow those personal recommendations - then sure.
Oh, that wasn't your point?
Then, no. Not at all.20 -
French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wait, are women who have had actual pregnancies, some multiples, being mansplained about pregnancy?!
That is indeed the situation.
Fortunately there are men, like my husband, who tolerate their wives putting on the amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN for the trade off of knowing their music-loving little tyke had enough energy to quicken at the thunderous rumble of a cathedral-quality pipe organ ("A Mighty Fortress Is Our God") and to rock out at a Kid Rock concert (in Detroit...it doesn't get any better than flames, strippers, fur coats, and some assertive head banging going on in one's belly).
My sister had a similar experience when she saw Outkast while pregnant!8 -
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?27 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
This is what I'm wondering. Disregard what one's own individual doctor recommends, someone who has been their doctor for years (prior even to pregnancies) in favor of blanket, generalized guidelines based on statistical population studies?24 -
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
This shows a bit of ignorance on the subject. The CDC given general generic advice for the public. No one with any sense would ignore the advice of a physician actually familiar with them and their specific medical history in favor of general public advice.23 -
My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.9 -
Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?French_Peasant wrote: »amount of weight recommended by an actual OBGYN
Interesting. Yet one more enlightening point.
We call that "confirmation bias."
I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
I'm done. That just proved my point.
The CDC is dealing with populations. A single OB will be dealing with their patient and making recommendations based on a history with that patient.9 -
My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
Unless you're in a situation where you can't get a new OB/GYN, most people seeing a quack would probably be better off finding a new doctor than simply ignoring what they say and following a generalized recommendation from the CDC.
If I was trying to decide how much weight to gain while pregnant, I'd prefer to deal with someone who was considering my medical history, recent test results, and the overall progression of my pregnancy.16 -
Since you asked, I will reply.janejellyroll wrote: »How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
Of course you don't.
But the OBGYN's advice should generally be in line with such recommendations unless you have a specific medical condition that indicates otherwise.
About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
If your assertion is that at least 1/3 of all pregnant women are somehow magically special then I suppose the CDC, WHO and related organizations need to publish a paper to clarify that.
Or are you saying that all of those First World over-fat women have special medical conditions that are not relevant to most of the rest of the world?4 -
My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
He suggested that a person should ignore their OBGYN in favor of the CDC recommendation.
You may have not had a good experience with your OBGYN, but I trusted mine and if she suggested something that deviated from general guidelines, I would have asked her why she felt that way and probably ultimately trusted her judgement.
I think, but I might have misunderstood the comments, but the male poster in question also made a passive aggressive insinuation that because one of the female participants in the discussion went to loud concerts while pregnant, that there may have been negative consequence for the child once born. I think that's what this comment was in reference to... I wonder what kind of shape they were in but that is a different discussion as well.
So yeah, I don't think people are being overly sensitive in their responses at all.
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Since you asked, I will reply.janejellyroll wrote: »How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
Of course you don't.
But the OBGYN's advice should generally be in line with such recommendations unless you have a specific medical condition that indicates otherwise.
About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
If your assertion is that pregnant are somehow magically special then I suppose the CDC, WHO and related organizations need to publish a paper to clarify that.
Wait a minute. That doesn't follow at all. Just because 1/3 of Americans are overweight, it doesn't follow that 1/3 of American women are overweight. Even if 1/3 of American women are overweight, it doesn't follow that 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight (what if more overweight women are before/after childbearing years, infertile, or just deciding not to reproduce?).
Can you see the problem here?
Let's try another framing.
.4% of the US population is active duty military.
Ergo: .4% of women are active duty military.
Corollary: .4% of pregnant women are active duty military.
But let's set this distressingly basic leap of poor logic aside. I'm sure *lots* of pregnant women are overweight. That still doesn't mean that the best guide to their weight gain during pregnancy is CDC recommendations instead of partnership with their doctor.
Nobody is saying that pregnant women are "magically special" (whatever you mean by that). People are trying to communicate to you that a blanket recommendation for weight gain during pregnancy is not as valuable as a doctor's recommendation. You seem to be reading that as if we think doctors should be telling women to gain as much as they want. Nobody is saying that.23 -
janejellyroll wrote: »My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
Unless you're in a situation where you can't get a new OB/GYN, most people seeing a quack would probably be better off finding a new doctor than simply ignoring what they say and following a generalized recommendation from the CDC.
If I was trying to decide how much weight to gain while pregnant, I'd prefer to deal with someone who was considering my medical history, recent test results, and the overall progression of my pregnancy.
Yes, your preference is your opinion.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Since you asked, I will reply.janejellyroll wrote: »How do you get a personalized recommendation based on your own situation from the CDC?
Of course you don't.
But the OBGYN's advice should generally be in line with such recommendations unless you have a specific medical condition that indicates otherwise.
About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
If your assertion is that pregnant are somehow magically special then I suppose the CDC, WHO and related organizations need to publish a paper to clarify that.
Wait a minute. That doesn't follow at all. Just because 1/3 of Americans are overweight, it doesn't follow that 1/3 of American women are overweight. Even if 1/3 of American women are overweight, it doesn't follow that 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight (what if more overweight women are before/after childbearing years, infertile, or just deciding not to reproduce?).
Can you see the problem here?
Let's try another framing.
.4% of the US population is active duty military.
Ergo: .4% of women are active duty military.
Corollary: .4% of pregnant women are active duty military.
But let's set this distressingly basic leap of poor logic aside. I'm sure *lots* of pregnant women are overweight. That still doesn't mean that the best guide to their weight gain during pregnancy is CDC recommendations instead of partnership with their doctor.
Nobody is saying that pregnant women are "magically special" (whatever you mean by that). People are trying to communicate to you that a blanket recommendation for weight gain during pregnancy is not as valuable as a doctor's recommendation. You seem to be reading that as if we think doctors should be telling women to gain as much as they want. Nobody is saying that.
Precisely. That's exactly like saying that "as long as you stay within your caloric allotment to lose weight" = "Eat crap all day long and never include anything healthy, ever."
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My OB GYN was a quack. Just saying.
They're not gods...
Besides the guys opinion was general in nature so what is so god awful wrong about him simply repeating general CDC guidance as a general opinion? Over sensitive people on here I think.
When he added this - "Yeah? You choose to listen to a single OBGYN over the entire CDC, huh?" - the advice went from general to individual. That was the problem.10 -
I acknowledge the math is not formal, proper or even accurate. I was using it to frame a sample size.janejellyroll wrote: »About 1/3 of Americans are overweight.
Ergo: 1/3 of women are overweight.
Corollary: 1/3 of pregnant women are overweight.
The point is that many people do gain as much weight as they want, regardless of what a doctor recommends. Male or female, pregnant or not.
Interjecting that an OBGYN said it was a "healthy" amount is merely justification.1
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