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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy.
The reason you are getting pushback is the term "made to" or "meant" -- which, whether you intended it as such or not is a religious statement implying that humans were made with a purpose. (I actually am religious, but think one should be careful about making statements like that outside of a religious context and that mix what we can determine with science and beliefs about purpose or teleology or whatever.)
Beyond that, it's not so much an opinion as a statement of belief about something that either is or is not factual: humans have trouble digesting gluten/dairy. That's simply not true as a generalized statement, as people have pointed out. Some have trouble with one or both of those things, and bummer for them, IMO.
Honestly, I tend to agree with the idea that grown up people should eat grownup food. Which means that for dairy, cheeses, yoghurts, kefirs are more appropriate for adults than milk. But I tend to phrase it as a preference, rather than as a rule.
I don't think that idea was expressed. The person saying humans are not meant to consume dairy presumably meant all dairy. (My own unpopular idea on the foods you mentioned is that to some extent kefir is popular because it's trendy and people think it's some superfood, which makes me kind of irrationally dislike it. Also, I don't like drinking calories, of course.)
Your opinion on milk specifically being kid's food I would treat as an unpopular opinion (vs. a mistake of fact like the poster in question was making), and weirdly enough it's one I grew up with and largely live by, although I think it's silly if subjected to any analysis. In my house growing up the kids drank milk, the adults drank water (well, for normal meals). I stopped drinking milk by the time I went to college, and in my 20s weaned myself out of putting milk in coffee (I never put sugar in coffee -- I think sweet coffee is just weird, that's another one of my unpopular opinions) based on the idea that it was more adult to drink coffee black. (The latte/cappuccino craze didn't really affect that, although I did drink coffee with milk in it in various forms when traveling in Europe subsequently.)
BUT, I'm capable of understanding that this is just my own cultural baggage and not that a glass of milk or some milk in oats (something I might do if I have milk around, I just normally do not) is actually only for kids.0 -
I mean, us Brits universally use milk in our black teas AND coffee. Grown up drinks to me.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy.
The reason you are getting pushback is the term "made to" or "meant" -- which, whether you intended it as such or not is a religious statement implying that humans were made with a purpose. (I actually am religious, but think one should be careful about making statements like that outside of a religious context and that mix what we can determine with science and beliefs about purpose or teleology or whatever.)
Beyond that, it's not so much an opinion as a statement of belief about something that either is or is not factual: humans have trouble digesting gluten/dairy. That's simply not true as a generalized statement, as people have pointed out. Some have trouble with one or both of those things, and bummer for them, IMO.
Honestly, I tend to agree with the idea that grown up people should eat grownup food. Which means that for dairy, cheeses, yoghurts, kefirs are more appropriate for adults than milk. But I tend to phrase it as a preference, rather than as a rule.
I don't think that idea was expressed. The person saying humans are not meant to consume dairy presumably meant all dairy. (My own unpopular idea on the foods you mentioned is that to some extent kefir is popular because it's trendy and people think it's some superfood, which makes me kind of irrationally dislike it. Also, I don't like drinking calories, of course.)
Your opinion on milk specifically being kid's food I would treat as an unpopular opinion (vs. a mistake of fact like the poster in question was making), and weirdly enough it's one I grew up with and largely live by, although I think it's silly if subjected to any analysis. In my house growing up the kids drank milk, the adults drank water (well, for normal meals). I stopped drinking milk by the time I went to college, and in my 20s weaned myself out of putting milk in coffee (I never put sugar in coffee -- I think sweet coffee is just weird, that's another one of my unpopular opinions) based on the idea that it was more adult to drink coffee black. (The latte/cappuccino craze didn't really affect that, although I did drink coffee with milk in it in various forms when traveling in Europe subsequently.)
BUT, I'm capable of understanding that this is just my own cultural baggage and not that a glass of milk or some milk in oats (something I might do if I have milk around, I just normally do not) is actually only for kids.
To clarify, my opinion position has nothing to do with milk in farina or grits or oats, but purely drinking by the glass. Which for the record I've always thought was gross... and I could never have milk in "regular" cereal. Just grape nuts.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy.
The reason you are getting pushback is the term "made to" or "meant" -- which, whether you intended it as such or not is a religious statement implying that humans were made with a purpose. (I actually am religious, but think one should be careful about making statements like that outside of a religious context and that mix what we can determine with science and beliefs about purpose or teleology or whatever.)
Beyond that, it's not so much an opinion as a statement of belief about something that either is or is not factual: humans have trouble digesting gluten/dairy. That's simply not true as a generalized statement, as people have pointed out. Some have trouble with one or both of those things, and bummer for them, IMO.
Honestly, I tend to agree with the idea that grown up people should eat grownup food. Which means that for dairy, cheeses, yoghurts, kefirs are more appropriate for adults than milk. But I tend to phrase it as a preference, rather than as a rule.
I don't think that idea was expressed. The person saying humans are not meant to consume dairy presumably meant all dairy. (My own unpopular idea on the foods you mentioned is that to some extent kefir is popular because it's trendy and people think it's some superfood, which makes me kind of irrationally dislike it. Also, I don't like drinking calories, of course.)
Your opinion on milk specifically being kid's food I would treat as an unpopular opinion (vs. a mistake of fact like the poster in question was making), and weirdly enough it's one I grew up with and largely live by, although I think it's silly if subjected to any analysis. In my house growing up the kids drank milk, the adults drank water (well, for normal meals). I stopped drinking milk by the time I went to college, and in my 20s weaned myself out of putting milk in coffee (I never put sugar in coffee -- I think sweet coffee is just weird, that's another one of my unpopular opinions) based on the idea that it was more adult to drink coffee black. (The latte/cappuccino craze didn't really affect that, although I did drink coffee with milk in it in various forms when traveling in Europe subsequently.)
BUT, I'm capable of understanding that this is just my own cultural baggage and not that a glass of milk or some milk in oats (something I might do if I have milk around, I just normally do not) is actually only for kids.
To clarify, my opinion position has nothing to do with milk in farina or grits or oats, but purely drinking by the glass. Which for the record I've always thought was gross... and I could never have milk in "regular" cereal. Just grape nuts.
Well, my unpopular opinion is that all cold cereal is awful and I don't understand why people would choose to eat it, let alone when calories are valuable. ;-)
We all have our weird taste things.
I think drinking milk is tasty enough, but just don't like drinking calories. I did think it was a kid's thing when I was 17 or so, though.1 -
Unpopular opinion is about the mental health of someone who lost a lot of weight which created an unhealthy relationship with food. For example someone who has lost a ton of weight to be in a healthy weight category, look good on the beach, or fit into certain clothes, that has created an eating disorder is actually worse off than they were with the extra weight and no disordered eating. i.e. I think mental health is more important than physical health in terms of the stress it puts on you.10
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janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.1 -
stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy.
The reason you are getting pushback is the term "made to" or "meant" -- which, whether you intended it as such or not is a religious statement implying that humans were made with a purpose. (I actually am religious, but think one should be careful about making statements like that outside of a religious context and that mix what we can determine with science and beliefs about purpose or teleology or whatever.)
Beyond that, it's not so much an opinion as a statement of belief about something that either is or is not factual: humans have trouble digesting gluten/dairy. That's simply not true as a generalized statement, as people have pointed out. Some have trouble with one or both of those things, and bummer for them, IMO.
Honestly, I tend to agree with the idea that grown up people should eat grownup food. Which means that for dairy, cheeses, yoghurts, kefirs are more appropriate for adults than milk. But I tend to phrase it as a preference, rather than as a rule.
I don't think that idea was expressed. The person saying humans are not meant to consume dairy presumably meant all dairy. (My own unpopular idea on the foods you mentioned is that to some extent kefir is popular because it's trendy and people think it's some superfood, which makes me kind of irrationally dislike it. Also, I don't like drinking calories, of course.)
Your opinion on milk specifically being kid's food I would treat as an unpopular opinion (vs. a mistake of fact like the poster in question was making), and weirdly enough it's one I grew up with and largely live by, although I think it's silly if subjected to any analysis. In my house growing up the kids drank milk, the adults drank water (well, for normal meals). I stopped drinking milk by the time I went to college, and in my 20s weaned myself out of putting milk in coffee (I never put sugar in coffee -- I think sweet coffee is just weird, that's another one of my unpopular opinions) based on the idea that it was more adult to drink coffee black. (The latte/cappuccino craze didn't really affect that, although I did drink coffee with milk in it in various forms when traveling in Europe subsequently.)
BUT, I'm capable of understanding that this is just my own cultural baggage and not that a glass of milk or some milk in oats (something I might do if I have milk around, I just normally do not) is actually only for kids.
To clarify, my opinion position has nothing to do with milk in farina or grits or oats, but purely drinking by the glass. Which for the record I've always thought was gross... and I could never have milk in "regular" cereal. Just grape nuts.
Probably has to do with how you grew up. I grew up with all adults drinking milk by the glass (my grandfather loved it with bread and jam and my mom likes it with wafers), so I don't associate it with kid foods anymore than I associate Greek yogurt with the word "trendy" because It has been a daily staple for generations and is the exact opposite of trendy, think about the typical foods you eat that everybody and takes for granted, that's Greek yogurt for me.
Both sides of my family are from european decent and tolerate dairy particularly well.0 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
Many people have shared that they don't have a negative impact on their body. I eat gluten regularly and I don't have any digestive problems.
If you are going to say that we aren't "meant" to do something, I'm going to question whose intentions you're thinking of. I'm not saying that you think it's a *moral* issue, it's just that when you're saying we are meant/not meant to do something, there is an assumption that someone created us a certain way and had a list of things we were meant to do. But we're humans. We constantly adapt to new situations, we don't let the past behavior limit us.7 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy.
The reason you are getting pushback is the term "made to" or "meant" -- which, whether you intended it as such or not is a religious statement implying that humans were made with a purpose. (I actually am religious, but think one should be careful about making statements like that outside of a religious context and that mix what we can determine with science and beliefs about purpose or teleology or whatever.)
Beyond that, it's not so much an opinion as a statement of belief about something that either is or is not factual: humans have trouble digesting gluten/dairy. That's simply not true as a generalized statement, as people have pointed out. Some have trouble with one or both of those things, and bummer for them, IMO.
Honestly, I tend to agree with the idea that grown up people should eat grownup food. Which means that for dairy, cheeses, yoghurts, kefirs are more appropriate for adults than milk. But I tend to phrase it as a preference, rather than as a rule.
I don't think that idea was expressed. The person saying humans are not meant to consume dairy presumably meant all dairy. (My own unpopular idea on the foods you mentioned is that to some extent kefir is popular because it's trendy and people think it's some superfood, which makes me kind of irrationally dislike it. Also, I don't like drinking calories, of course.)
Your opinion on milk specifically being kid's food I would treat as an unpopular opinion (vs. a mistake of fact like the poster in question was making), and weirdly enough it's one I grew up with and largely live by, although I think it's silly if subjected to any analysis. In my house growing up the kids drank milk, the adults drank water (well, for normal meals). I stopped drinking milk by the time I went to college, and in my 20s weaned myself out of putting milk in coffee (I never put sugar in coffee -- I think sweet coffee is just weird, that's another one of my unpopular opinions) based on the idea that it was more adult to drink coffee black. (The latte/cappuccino craze didn't really affect that, although I did drink coffee with milk in it in various forms when traveling in Europe subsequently.)
BUT, I'm capable of understanding that this is just my own cultural baggage and not that a glass of milk or some milk in oats (something I might do if I have milk around, I just normally do not) is actually only for kids.
To clarify, my opinion position has nothing to do with milk in farina or grits or oats, but purely drinking by the glass. Which for the record I've always thought was gross... and I could never have milk in "regular" cereal. Just grape nuts.
Probably has to do with how you grew up. I grew up with all adults drinking milk by the glass (my grandfather loved it with bread and jam and my mom likes it with wafers), so I don't associate it with kid foods anymore than I associate Greek yogurt with the word "trendy" because It has been a daily staple for generations and is the exact opposite of trendy, think about the typical foods you eat that everybody and takes for granted, that's Greek yogurt for me.
Both sides of my family are from european decent and tolerate dairy particularly well.
Nope, just me. everyone else was fine. Me. no way.
I actually used grapefruit juice in my cheerios.
everyone else had milk..1 -
stanmann571 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy.
The reason you are getting pushback is the term "made to" or "meant" -- which, whether you intended it as such or not is a religious statement implying that humans were made with a purpose. (I actually am religious, but think one should be careful about making statements like that outside of a religious context and that mix what we can determine with science and beliefs about purpose or teleology or whatever.)
Beyond that, it's not so much an opinion as a statement of belief about something that either is or is not factual: humans have trouble digesting gluten/dairy. That's simply not true as a generalized statement, as people have pointed out. Some have trouble with one or both of those things, and bummer for them, IMO.
Honestly, I tend to agree with the idea that grown up people should eat grownup food. Which means that for dairy, cheeses, yoghurts, kefirs are more appropriate for adults than milk. But I tend to phrase it as a preference, rather than as a rule.
I don't think that idea was expressed. The person saying humans are not meant to consume dairy presumably meant all dairy. (My own unpopular idea on the foods you mentioned is that to some extent kefir is popular because it's trendy and people think it's some superfood, which makes me kind of irrationally dislike it. Also, I don't like drinking calories, of course.)
Your opinion on milk specifically being kid's food I would treat as an unpopular opinion (vs. a mistake of fact like the poster in question was making), and weirdly enough it's one I grew up with and largely live by, although I think it's silly if subjected to any analysis. In my house growing up the kids drank milk, the adults drank water (well, for normal meals). I stopped drinking milk by the time I went to college, and in my 20s weaned myself out of putting milk in coffee (I never put sugar in coffee -- I think sweet coffee is just weird, that's another one of my unpopular opinions) based on the idea that it was more adult to drink coffee black. (The latte/cappuccino craze didn't really affect that, although I did drink coffee with milk in it in various forms when traveling in Europe subsequently.)
BUT, I'm capable of understanding that this is just my own cultural baggage and not that a glass of milk or some milk in oats (something I might do if I have milk around, I just normally do not) is actually only for kids.
To clarify, my opinion position has nothing to do with milk in farina or grits or oats, but purely drinking by the glass. Which for the record I've always thought was gross... and I could never have milk in "regular" cereal. Just grape nuts.
Probably has to do with how you grew up. I grew up with all adults drinking milk by the glass (my grandfather loved it with bread and jam and my mom likes it with wafers), so I don't associate it with kid foods anymore than I associate Greek yogurt with the word "trendy" because It has been a daily staple for generations and is the exact opposite of trendy, think about the typical foods you eat that everybody and takes for granted, that's Greek yogurt for me.
Both sides of my family are from european decent and tolerate dairy particularly well.
Nope, just me. everyone else was fine. Me. no way.
I actually used grapefruit juice in my cheerios.
everyone else had milk..
What did you have with your chocolate chip cookies or Oreos?0 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
It is not really science, but some woo woo that has been reported as science...
Food allergies do not equal that we are not meant to eat/drink something...
Humans have been consuming dairy for thousands of years and for the vast of majority of us,there is no issues with consuming it.
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Mammals (including humans!) are specifically born with the enzymes (lactase) to digest lactose. Which kind of makes sense since we drink milk from our mothers for nutrition as babies....dancefit2015 wrote: »I am not religious. When I said "meant to" think of it as "made for" as in humans just aren't able to digest it properly... not as in some magical being in the sky said we shouldn't.
And yes I know not all grains contain gluten, that was an error, I even specifically said gluten in my first post.
There are many people who can eat gluten and dairy and feel fine but that doesn't mean that it is all that healthy for you. In fact 3/4 people are lactose intolerant and many without knowing. Most just aren't born with the enzymes to properly digest these foods. I didn't even know that I was intolerant until I cut them out of my diet for a short time and was then unable eat them again without side affects. However, when looking back, it explains a lot of unexplained abdominal pain that I had before I knew what it was.
Also, just because I believe that we aren't made to eat these foods doesn't I don't think anyone should eat them... I still occasionally do because they are hard to resist. I was just stating that I don't think humans digest these foods well.
Humans are unique in that a good portion of the population have lactase persistence into adulthood and can continue to drink milk and digest it well into adulthood.11 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
You can keep reiterating that is not how you "meant" the word "meant" to be interpreted, but people have explained repeatedly that there is a precedent for a religious interpretation around whether someone is "meant" to do anything. People have also provided you information refuting your blanket claims that physiologically, human bodies do not digest gluten and dairy well.
YOUR digestive system doesn't process these foods well. That has nothing to do with whether others should continue to consume products that they have no issues with. Anyone who has food sensitivities or allergies should probably work to identify and isolate the issue, and then determine a plan to minimize or cut out that food, if they feel the reward does not outweigh the risk. But they also should not claim that others need to do the same or try to extrapolate the issues they are experiencing into an evolutionary judgement about the human race.
I'm allergic to strawberries but I would never claim that others should consider cutting it out of their diet simply because MY body can't handle them.
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dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
You seem to have a hard time understanding what an opinion is. You are entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts. If you proclaim humans aren't made to digest gluten and dairy or that gluten is inflammatory, you better be prepared to back that up.6 -
French_Peasant wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy.
The reason you are getting pushback is the term "made to" or "meant" -- which, whether you intended it as such or not is a religious statement implying that humans were made with a purpose. (I actually am religious, but think one should be careful about making statements like that outside of a religious context and that mix what we can determine with science and beliefs about purpose or teleology or whatever.)
Beyond that, it's not so much an opinion as a statement of belief about something that either is or is not factual: humans have trouble digesting gluten/dairy. That's simply not true as a generalized statement, as people have pointed out. Some have trouble with one or both of those things, and bummer for them, IMO.
Honestly, I tend to agree with the idea that grown up people should eat grownup food. Which means that for dairy, cheeses, yoghurts, kefirs are more appropriate for adults than milk. But I tend to phrase it as a preference, rather than as a rule.
I don't think that idea was expressed. The person saying humans are not meant to consume dairy presumably meant all dairy. (My own unpopular idea on the foods you mentioned is that to some extent kefir is popular because it's trendy and people think it's some superfood, which makes me kind of irrationally dislike it. Also, I don't like drinking calories, of course.)
Your opinion on milk specifically being kid's food I would treat as an unpopular opinion (vs. a mistake of fact like the poster in question was making), and weirdly enough it's one I grew up with and largely live by, although I think it's silly if subjected to any analysis. In my house growing up the kids drank milk, the adults drank water (well, for normal meals). I stopped drinking milk by the time I went to college, and in my 20s weaned myself out of putting milk in coffee (I never put sugar in coffee -- I think sweet coffee is just weird, that's another one of my unpopular opinions) based on the idea that it was more adult to drink coffee black. (The latte/cappuccino craze didn't really affect that, although I did drink coffee with milk in it in various forms when traveling in Europe subsequently.)
BUT, I'm capable of understanding that this is just my own cultural baggage and not that a glass of milk or some milk in oats (something I might do if I have milk around, I just normally do not) is actually only for kids.
To clarify, my opinion position has nothing to do with milk in farina or grits or oats, but purely drinking by the glass. Which for the record I've always thought was gross... and I could never have milk in "regular" cereal. Just grape nuts.
Probably has to do with how you grew up. I grew up with all adults drinking milk by the glass (my grandfather loved it with bread and jam and my mom likes it with wafers), so I don't associate it with kid foods anymore than I associate Greek yogurt with the word "trendy" because It has been a daily staple for generations and is the exact opposite of trendy, think about the typical foods you eat that everybody and takes for granted, that's Greek yogurt for me.
Both sides of my family are from european decent and tolerate dairy particularly well.
Nope, just me. everyone else was fine. Me. no way.
I actually used grapefruit juice in my cheerios.
everyone else had milk..
What did you have with your chocolate chip cookies or Oreos?
I didn't... chocolate and processed sugar exacerbated my ADHD/ODD0 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
It's pretty much just Europeans and groups like Mongols that developed a mutation that allows for dairy consumption after early childhood. And even within populations of these groups a certain percentage cannot process dairy well. In most of the world milk is not used in an unprocessed state, if at all. Drinking milk is an evolutionary adaptation, just like high-altitude dwellers in the Andes have shorter limbs.
How one perceives this reality is a matter of perspective. One could state that milk is a very nutritious thing for people who can digest it well. Or one can state most people can't digest it well or just don't like it are better off with other foods to get similar nutrition. I'd say both are right.
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I find it somewhat amazing that a guy that had no idea his wife was pregnant until she gave birth thinks he's qualified to argue with women (some of whom have given birth) regarding pregnancy.This has me a bit gobsmacked as well. I'm getting the impression that there might be a weird sense of proprietary pride in his wife not having gained any weight during her pregnancy (instead of becoming - what was it? Oh, yeah a "piggy") going on here and that that is something that's healthy/desirable/to be strived for in a pregnant wife?
tl;dr: fatshaming in a humble brag disguiseYes this is what it smells like to me too.
Related, I don't know if my opinion is popular or unpopular but I do know my OB is of the same opinion: That women who claim to not know they were pregnant until they went into labor are full of baloney.
this is what i thought as well, but i did a little bit of research yesterday after this discussion and learned a bit about "cryptic pregnancies" - my assumption that it was a load of bs or at least some extreme psychological denial turned out to be wrong in many documented cases. it's more often pregnancies associated with really low levels of hcg production, often in cases where the woman is on some sort of birth control or suffers from pcos or similar, or is at an elite level of fitness. the levels of hcg just don't create the normal symptoms associated with pregnancy. also, a cryptic pregnancy can therefore last much longer than a standard pregnancy because the low hormone levels require longer gestational periods (sometimes years!). apparently, 1 in 2,500 women may not know they are pregnant until they hit labor.
i still don't think that mansplaining pregnancy is in any way useful or that calling women who gain more than the cdc recommendations "piggy" or irresponsible is appropriate or accurate. i think it's dismissive and ignorant.
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kenyonhaff wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
It's pretty much just Europeans and groups like Mongols that developed a mutation that allows for dairy consumption after early childhood. And even within populations of these groups a certain percentage cannot process dairy well. In most of the world milk is not used in an unprocessed state, if at all. Drinking milk is an evolutionary adaptation, just like high-altitude dwellers in the Andes have shorter limbs.
How one perceives this reality is a matter of perspective. One could state that milk is a very nutritious thing for people who can digest it well. Or one can state most people can't digest it well or just don't like it are better off with other foods to get similar nutrition. I'd say both are right.
So, we're the "chosen ones" who are "meant" to consume dairy
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amusedmonkey wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
It's pretty much just Europeans and groups like Mongols that developed a mutation that allows for dairy consumption after early childhood. And even within populations of these groups a certain percentage cannot process dairy well. In most of the world milk is not used in an unprocessed state, if at all. Drinking milk is an evolutionary adaptation, just like high-altitude dwellers in the Andes have shorter limbs.
How one perceives this reality is a matter of perspective. One could state that milk is a very nutritious thing for people who can digest it well. Or one can state most people can't digest it well or just don't like it are better off with other foods to get similar nutrition. I'd say both are right.
So, we're the "chosen ones" who are "meant" to consume dairy
My ancestors didn't spend millenia developing lactase persistence so I could waste it not having yummy milk with my Oreos, yogurt, and ice cream.21 -
I am chosen to eat all the Greek yogurt and ice cream. I will fulfill my calling.15
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dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
And I know many people (including myself) who feel great after eating these things.
Point?3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
And I know many people (including myself) who feel great after eating these things.
Point?
I think "I believe" would be the appropriate start of an opinion. I don't think there was a point which is valid for an opinion.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »paulwatts747 wrote: »Very few people in affluent countries have experienced true hunger.
Thankfully.
Now if we can just provide clean water and proper nutrition to everyone else....
This is one of my pet peeves(obviously not health or nutrition related)
Worldwide water and hunger isn't caused by lack, it's caused by local criminal corruption. Worldwide enough food and clean water is produced annually to feed approximately twice the worlds population, and even discounting overconsumption and waste, there's still enough food to eliminate famine if the local warlords who profit from the famine were removed.
But there are do-gooders and moralists who insist that violence isn't the solution... we just need to love the warlords and the starving people. So they ship rice, and corn, but no guns or security... so the food rots on the pier, or is appropriated in transit by the warlord and destroyed.
This is so true and worth reading again ^
My cousin works in 3rd world nations in efforts to bring clean water to their residents. ( noble work indeed )
I've heard about the corruption first hand from him.
Haiti seems to be the poster child for this type of behavior.5 -
Hmm... my unpopular opinions about health and fitness...
- That I think it's NONSENSE that the best way to improve your body involves only restricting your calories, often to some crazy low level generated by a MFP computer algorithm that has never met you.
- That I believe that weight is not the be all and end all. I believe that many people set unrealistic goal weights, and can develop a terrible obsession with getting as light as possible. I teetered on the edge of this myself. I looked scrawny and unattractive, and positively ill when I was close to my goal weight. Thankfully I stopped chasing the scales and look way better now, approximately 12kg heavier, strong and lean. My clothes are mostly the same size they were at my skinniest. Lifting FTW.
- That I think that although some parts of these forums are fab, they are out of control on the "add a letter", "the person above you..." and those kinds of threads. I may be a luddite but I don't get it. And it makes it hard to find the good threads!6 -
Hmm... my unpopular opinions about health and fitness...
- That I think it's NONSENSE that the best way to improve your body involves only restricting your calories, often to some crazy low level generated by a MFP computer algorithm that has never met you.
- That I believe that weight is not the be all and end all. I believe that many people set unrealistic goal weights, and can develop a terrible obsession with getting as light as possible. I teetered on the edge of this myself. I looked scrawny and unattractive, and positively ill when I was close to my goal weight. Thankfully I stopped chasing the scales and look way better now, approximately 12kg heavier, strong and lean. My clothes are mostly the same size they were at my skinniest. Lifting FTW.
- That I think that although some parts of these forums are fab, they are out of control on the "add a letter", "the person above you..." and those kinds of threads. I may be a luddite but I don't get it. And it makes it hard to find the good threads!
You can block certain forums so you won't see them. Chit-Chat, for example... 7 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
My digestive system is just fine with dairy...I don't think I'm some kind of exception here...I know one person in real life who is lactose intolerant, and I know a lot of people. I know a lot more people who are allergic to nuts (including my own kid) than I do people who are dairy intolerant.
We've been consuming dairy and grains for tens of thousands of years...5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
My digestive system is just fine with dairy...I don't think I'm some kind of exception here...I know one person in real life who is lactose intolerant, and I know a lot of people. I know a lot more people who are allergic to nuts (including my own kid) than I do people who are dairy intolerant.
We've been consuming dairy and grains for tens of thousands of years...
Did you ever wonder who was the first guy to look at a cow and think: " Boy, I sure am thirsty ! "12 -
Hmm... my unpopular opinions about health and fitness...
- That I think it's NONSENSE that the best way to improve your body involves only restricting your calories, often to some crazy low level generated by a MFP computer algorithm that has never met you.
It is nonsensical to omit the CO side of the equation in this process.
Many of those who promote this notion are thinking in terms of broad populations. Yes, in the abstract it is logical to simply reduce calories to manage an ideal weight. In practice however you cannot disregard a significant number within the population that remains active despite overall trends towards inaction.0 -
Motorsheen wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Idancefit2015 wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »I don't believe humans were necessarily meant to eat grain nor dairy... Maybe some have adapted but I know many people and myself feel terrible after eating any gluten or dairy.
Humans are not meant to travel in space and we still do...
And that is that same how...???
If we were not meant to do it than we should not, right?
I never said that people are wrong for eating it. I really don't care who eats what but this is an opinion board and I was adding mine... that humans aren't made for digesting gluten and dairy. If you do eat it that's your choice and that's fine. I eat it sometimes as well. But gluten is an inflammatory food so if you are sick of having aches and pains that don't seem to have an explanation, you might try cutting out gluten. And if you have issues with acne, bloating, and other hormonal issues, you might try cutting out dairy.
I am not a scientist, just a girl with an opinion... that's what this page is for right? OPINIONS? didn't realize that mine was so personally offensive -_-
The idea that we were made, or created, to do or not do anything in particular and that we should avoid doing that which we were not made to do is inherently a religious argument.
If you scroll up you'll see I already addressed this. Not religious. Just science. Our digestive systems just don't process the food well. And I feel like you haven't read anything I said considering that in my last post I said that there is no wrong in people eating it. I don't have a moral issue with gluten and Dairy lol I was just explaining how it can negatively affect the body and that the simple solution is cutting it out of your diet.
My digestive system is just fine with dairy...I don't think I'm some kind of exception here...I know one person in real life who is lactose intolerant, and I know a lot of people. I know a lot more people who are allergic to nuts (including my own kid) than I do people who are dairy intolerant.
We've been consuming dairy and grains for tens of thousands of years...
Did you ever wonder who was the first guy to look at a cow and think: " Boy, I sure am thirsty ! "
I imagine it went something like: Two guys sitting in a field. One says... "I dare you to suck on that".20 -
Hmm... my unpopular opinions about health and fitness...
-That I think it's NONSENSE that the best way to improve your body involves only restricting your calories, often to some crazy low level generated by a MFP computer algorithm that has never met you.
- That I believe that weight is not the be all and end all. I believe that many people set unrealistic goal weights, and can develop a terrible obsession with getting as light as possible. I teetered on the edge of this myself. I looked scrawny and unattractive, and positively ill when I was close to my goal weight. Thankfully I stopped chasing the scales and look way better now, approximately 12kg heavier, strong and lean. My clothes are mostly the same size they were at my skinniest. Lifting FTW.
- That I think that although some parts of these forums are fab, they are out of control on the "add a letter", "the person above you..." and those kinds of threads. I may be a luddite but I don't get it. And it makes it hard to find the good threads!
Not sure who believes this...if you had said best way to lose weight...maybe...but improving your body, losing fat and losing weight are 3 different things and involve 3 different paths.
For example
the best way to lose weight is to be in a calorie deficit.
the best way to lose fat is to be in a calorie deficit, do resistance training and get in enough protein.
the best way to improve your body is a personal thing on what you feel but for some it could be cardio, others heavy lifting etc...might not have anything to do with calorie deficit.
As for the algorithm it is based on what they (they being the user) puts in the system for goals etc.
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