July 2017 Running Challenge

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  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    @RespectTheKitty one thing on treadmills.... it might not be your watch that's totally off. I've seen some very badly calibrated treadmills....

    Great job running, and, I forgot to say before, congrats/awesome job running your first HM. !
  • shanaber
    shanaber Posts: 6,423 Member
    Finally getting caught up. Went back and read through most all of the posts over the last week... you all have been SO busy!
    @kimlight2 - Happy (belated) Birthday!
    @angmarie28 - Congratulations on running your 1st Marathon!! Awesome job!! I hope you are recovering well. I do want to mention that I was born not far from Missoula. Maybe one of these days I will get up there for a race but not a marathon!
    @Elise4270 - Congratulations on your AG win!! How was the run with @BeeerRunner? I am expecting to see pictures soon! Also I miss @WhatMeRunning too! I was hoping to maybe meet up with him at the expo or before the race start in San Francisco.
    @KatieJane83 - Congratulation on your 5k and improving your time! I too am not a big fan of the 5k. Too me I just get going and it is over. I like the 10k races better and HM best of all.
    @JessicaMcB - Weimeraner's are very fast. They are one of the dogs Hobbes the Vizsla likes to run with on the beach because they can chase and keep up with him at least for a while... They can however be very mean. We have had a few run ins even in our agility classes/trials where the dogs were asked to leave.
    @amymoreorless - I lost a few toenails, especially after races but that has mostly become a thing of the past now that I wear shoes that have a wider toe box (Topo, Altra, Skora, etc.) I have always worn Smartwool socks and have never had a blister. After my first HM (first black toenail) I also went up another half size (a full size over my regular shoe size).
    @Orphia - love the Steigen socks! Do you know if they are available in the States?
    @skippygirlsmom - wow that vertigo sounds terrible! I hope you are feeling better and are able to function ok.

    I do think it is SO important to have a RoadID or some other type of easily found ID with you when you are out running. I don't think many of us carry our DLs or other IDs with us and the RoadID is a great way to always have it. I have the ones that velcro onto my shoes and I have multiple so I don't have to move it between my shoes. They have basic contact and health information.

    I am also definitely a member in the 'Sweaty Girls/Sweaty Runners' Clubs. I am pretty much soaked and dripping within a short period of time. It makes me crazy though when the sweat runs down my arms and onto my wrist and hands. I have been getting up early for me and out to run before it gets too hot but then it is more humid so either way it gets me...

    I realized yesterday my HM in San Francisco is only a little over a week away. I had originally planned to get in a long run this Saturday but I think I will limit it to 6-7 miles. Because of the anniversary weekend away and no running, I missed getting my final long run in. I don't feel like it is an issue as my focal point for this race is to just feel strong enough to finish it and having some extra rest will do my body good. The good news is between the new eating plan and supplements, I am feeling a bit better and my running is slowly improving.

    Date........Miles.......Total
    07/01......9.02........9.02
    07/02......0.00........9.02
    07/03......4.66......13.68 - + Agility
    07/04......4.66......18.34
    07/05......5.81......24.15
    07/06......0.00......24.15 - + Strength Training
    07/07......0.00......24.15 - Anniversary weekend
    07/08......0.00......24.15 - Anniversary weekend
    07/09......0.00......24.15 - Anniversary weekend
    07/10......0.00......24.15 - + Agility
    07/11......5.64......29.79 - + Strength Training
    07/12......4.28......34.07
    07/13......0.00......34.07 - + Strength Training

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    My completed and upcoming Races - Let me know if you will be running too!
    02/05/17 - Surf City Half Marathon
    07/23/17 - San Francisco 1st Half Marathon
    10/14/17 - AIM for the Cure Melanoma 5K Walk/Run
    12/16/17 - San Diego Holiday Half Marathon
  • cburke8909
    cburke8909 Posts: 990 Member
    @skippygirlsmom sorry to hear about your vertigo issue
    4 miles today 12X30 second hill repeats. Workout felt great but I had to stop to get my heart rate monitor paired. The repeats were plenty fast under 6 minutes per mile pace but the monitor did not show my rate in zone 5 but in zone 3??? Does this mean I actually need to run faster for these? My cool down was in the zone 1 and it did not record my warm up so it's a guess at best. I have a treadmill workout tomorrow and a long run for Saturday.

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  • zdyb23456
    zdyb23456 Posts: 1,706 Member

    7/1 4mi 39:56min
    7/2 rest
    7/3 6mi 56:06min
    7/4 7mi 67:36min
    7/5 rest
    7/6 10mi 1:38:49min
    7/7 5mi 47:19min
    7/9 4mi 38:35min
    7/10 rest
    7/11 6mi 57:54min
    7/12 4mi 37:22min
    7/13 rest
    7/14 6mi 58:45min

    Holy cow it's hot out there! 6 miles but I started doing a run, walk about 4 miles in. I'm surprised my pace was still sub-10 minute miles given the walk breaks I took.

    Tomorrow is 5 miles and I might end up slogging them on the treadmill...
  • RunRachelleRun
    RunRachelleRun Posts: 1,854 Member
    edited July 2017
    @skippygirlsmom that must have been so scary. I'm glad you made it home safe. I hope you feel better soon.

    July 13: 2.81 km

    MTD: 34.39 / 75 km

    I started doing the Strong Curves book on Monday. I can tell it's exactly the strength training I've been looking for, with a focus on the glutes and legs. But I am feeling pretty achy, so I have skipped a couple of planned runs this week.

    Today's was a speed run and I feel I'm not going as fast as I should be. I'm following the 80/20 pace calculator, but my heart rate barely went into zone 3 for the zone 4 sections. I was also looking at Garmin's race predictions and it thinks I should be 9 mins faster for a 5K than I am currently capable of (31 vs my 40). I'll have to start reading again to see if I should be pushing myself more. Anyone with a Garmin, do your race predictions match your times?
  • MobyCarp
    MobyCarp Posts: 2,927 Member
    cburke8909 wrote: »
    @skippygirlsmom sorry to hear about your vertigo issue
    4 miles today 12X30 second hill repeats. Workout felt great but I had to stop to get my heart rate monitor paired. The repeats were plenty fast under 6 minutes per mile pace but the monitor did not show my rate in zone 5 but in zone 3??? Does this mean I actually need to run faster for these? My cool down was in the zone 1 and it did not record my warm up so it's a guess at best. I have a treadmill workout tomorrow and a long run for Saturday.

    @cburke8909 - I'm still working on understanding the principles of 80/20 heart rate, but IMO your HR only went to zone 3 because 30 seconds wasn't long enough for it to get to zone 5. I had a similar phenomenon in Tuesday's intervals. I was running 1000/1200/1000 at I pace, which should be a little faster than lactic threshold in the Jack Daniels system. You would expect my HR to go to Zone 4 in the 80-20 system, because the point of the I pace is to improve VO2 max and lactic threshold. In actuality, my HR only got into Zone X for the first interval, but it hung out a lot in Zone 3 in the later intervals when I was more tired.

    Then came 4x200 at R pace. You would expect R pace in the Daniels system to correspond to Zone 5 in the 80-20 system; but 200m isn't very long. My HR made it into Zone 3 for much of the 200s, and a few seconds into Zone 4, but that was it. I expect I would have hit 80-20 Zone 5 if I had been running 600s at R pace, but it might not have been for the majority of the time running. Overall, my workout had just a bit less time in Zone X than in Zone 3; but you can't get to Zone 3 without going through Zone X, and the recovery intervals sent me back through Zone X to Zone 2.

    FWIW, I've re-done the zones on my 630 so that Garmin zones 1 through 5 correspond to 80-20 zones 1, 2, X, 3, and (Y+4+5). This is in contrast to a link that was given upthread, recommending to set the Garmin zones to 80-20 zones (1+2), X, 3, (Y+4), 5. I figure that when I'm doing intervals hard enough that I belong in Zone 4, I'm not going to be able to monitor what I'm doing by HR anyway because I'm working hard enough just to maintain the pace, but I might get some use out of knowing whether I'm in zone 1 or zone 2.

    I suspect I'd spend more time in Zones 4 and 5 if I were training for a mile, because I'd be doing more intervals at faster paces, and some of them would be longer intervals. But when I get to the long intervals at T pace, I expect I'll see the HR stabilize in Zone 3. It will be interesting to watch.

    TL;DR - Short intervals with recovery periods mean your HR doesn't stabilize as high as it would if you were running the interval pace for a longer continual time. Not sure how the 80-20 system addresses this phenomenon.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    I also support RoadID. I wear a necklace everywhere, and the sport bracelet sometimes (usually when hiking) when I want something more obvious than what's underneath my shirt. In addition to my medical issues (some of which might be obvious to a first responder just because I wear my insulin pump openly), I have emergency contact information available there and they can even get a copy of my Living Will and Medical Power of Attorney through RoadID if needed. These are things that were not possible when I just had a more generic medical alert that just listed Diabetes / Type 1 Diabetes / something similar.
  • NikolaosKey
    NikolaosKey Posts: 410 Member
    @PastorVincent

    Thanks for the advise. Didn't go for run but I swam instead. Easy pace at start and then it went better. End up doing some kms and now I feel awesome.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    The feels like temp is 107. :( probably not getting any miles today.

    @skippygirlsmom - yuck that stinks! Sorry that is happening to you :frowning:
  • BettyM1017
    BettyM1017 Posts: 616 Member
    July 13 – 3.0 miles Easy & 21 DFX Upper Fix Extreme and Lower Fix Extreme

    Total: 54.25/100 miles

    Upcoming Races:
    July 21 - St. Pete Beach Series, Race #2, 5K
  • RespectTheKitty
    RespectTheKitty Posts: 1,667 Member
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    @RespectTheKitty one thing on treadmills.... it might not be your watch that's totally off. I've seen some very badly calibrated treadmills....

    Great job running, and, I forgot to say before, congrats/awesome job running your first HM. !

    I never thought it could be the treadmill that was the problem. Go figure.

    What I'd really like to know is, why is it that when I'm on the treadmill I can barely get below 12:00/mile whereas when I run outdoors I have no trouble getting to about 10:45/mile? I feel like I'm putting in the same effort, so I don't get it.
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    RespectTheKitty wrote: »

    What I'd really like to know is, why is it that when I'm on the treadmill I can barely get below 12:00/mile whereas when I run outdoors I have no trouble getting to about 10:45/mile? I feel like I'm putting in the same effort, so I don't get it.

    Lots of possibilities, different cadence, your Garmin is estimating your pace based on recorded stride length from oitdoor runs, and it could be off, the TM could be off, to name a few. Thats part of why i like to go by effort/HR when I'm on a TM, that gives me a better indication of my workload. I look at pace more when I'm oitside.
  • cburke8909
    cburke8909 Posts: 990 Member
    RespectTheKitty wrote: »


    What I'd really like to know is, why is it that when I'm on the treadmill I can barely get below 12:00/mile whereas when I run outdoors I have no trouble getting to about 10:45/mile? I feel like I'm putting in the same effort, so I don't get it.
    It could be you just hate the treadmill. I do ok but there are many here that just hate running on those machines.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    RespectTheKitty wrote: »

    What I'd really like to know is, why is it that when I'm on the treadmill I can barely get below 12:00/mile whereas when I run outdoors I have no trouble getting to about 10:45/mile? I feel like I'm putting in the same effort, so I don't get it.


    While it is possible your equipment is off, what is more likely is:
    1. Air flow around a treadmill is much less so you get no cooling effect from moving air and you run in a pocket of your own CO2
    2. Treadmill enforces a strict pace, most people vary their pace as they run. The forced pace could be more draining to stay on perfect cadence.
    3. There are no visual queues for your pace, no matter how fast you run the world stays put.
    4. If you hate the treadmill as most runners do, you are not in the right mindset when you run
    5. Related to #2. Outside you probably have some curve of acceleration to pace, where treadmill does not allow for that

    Or any combination thereof, but probably mostly the mental game. Personally I can bearly manage an hour on the treadmill, while outside I easily run 1.5 to 2 hours.

  • skippygirlsmom
    skippygirlsmom Posts: 4,433 Member
    You all are so sweet, thanks for the well wishes. I know it will pass just a matter of waiting for it to do so. Skip and I purchased our RoadIDs about 4 years ago and she wore hers everywhere she went because she had no form of ID before she started to drive. They also are very good to runners as a company. They helped sponsor our Elementary School Track and Field meet this past year. They provided discount coupons for the all the participants and free RoadID coupons to all the school coaches. I also hand out coupons and information at the beginning of the season to our Cross Country team. So important if something ever happened while you are out running.
  • cameronheel
    cameronheel Posts: 191 Member

    @MobyCarp "IMO, the Garmin race predictor has bypassed Artificial Intelligence and proceeded directly to Mechanized Stupidity."

    LOL
  • dkabambe
    dkabambe Posts: 544 Member
    Last Wednesday I had what I thought were minor shin problems, so took an unscheduled rest day on Thursday. On Friday it hurt to even walk, so sadly had to DNS my half marathon on Sunday. It's been getting slowly better since then and I've been increasing my walking distance over the week. Today I braved a run to work and luckily no pain/niggles in affected areas. Felt so good I decided to run home afterwards as well. Both were at very easy pace, but did include some decent gradients so should have tested out all relevant muscles.

    Anyway, will try for two shorter runs tomorrow (about 3k each way to my voluntary job) before resting over the weekend and trying something longer next week.

    Given disappointment of missing my HM, I avoided logging in here but that means I'm now 400 posts behind so afraid I'm just going to have to skip those.

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    1-July: 11.51km - easy 6.5k; HM pace last 5k
    2-July: 19.26km - easy(-ish)
    3-July: 12.84km - MP-easy
    5-July: 6.51km - Very easy
    13-July: 5.61km - easy
    13-July: 5.00km easy

    Upcoming Races:
    9-July: Southend HM (DNS - Injury)
    ?? 22-Oct: Chelmsford Marathon ?? [Undecided]
  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    @skippygirlsmom Do you know the cause of the vertigo? I've always had issues with dizziness and got car sick a lot as a kid. I still get simulation sickness. But only vertigo twice. Once from being on/ in a choppy lake all day and another time a few years back after running.

    I found this maneuvers that helped.
    http://www.webmd.com/brain/home-remedies-vertigo

    Hope it gets better soon. It's horrible to have. I do road ID too. It stays on the shifter in the car unless I'm running or biking.
  • RunRachelleRun
    RunRachelleRun Posts: 1,854 Member
    @garygse Thanks! Ha, an uber would definitely be needed to meet mine too. Garmin predicts I could run my half 40 mins faster. I know I have a lot of room for improvement, but I can't figure out where it's getting these numbers from.

    @MobyCarp lol I'm happy to hear you could only meet the predictions if taking something on the side. Thanks for checking/sharing :) I also took note of all your zone talk earlier, so thanks!
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    dkabambe wrote: »
    Last Wednesday I had what I thought were minor shin problems, so took an unscheduled rest day on Thursday. On Friday it hurt to even walk, so sadly had to DNS my half marathon on Sunday. It's been getting slowly better since then and I've been increasing my walking distance over the week. Today I braved a run to work and luckily no pain/niggles in affected areas. Felt so good I decided to run home afterwards as well. Both were at very easy pace, but did include some decent gradients so should have tested out all relevant muscles.

    Anyway, will try for two shorter runs tomorrow (about 3k each way to my voluntary job) before resting over the weekend and trying something longer next week.

    Given disappointment of missing my HM, I avoided logging in here but that means I'm now 400 posts behind so afraid I'm just going to have to skip those.

    That stinks about the DNS. Maybe once you are passed your injury you can schedule a 13.1 mile run and try to run it like a substitute race?

  • kimlight2
    kimlight2 Posts: 483 Member
    @AriellesMama - Welcome!
  • seanevan10
    seanevan10 Posts: 385 Member
    kgirlhart wrote: »
    July goal: 55 miles

    7/2: 4.3 miles
    7/3: 3.7 miles
    7/4: 3.8 miles
    7/5: 2.3 miles
    7/9: 4.5 miles
    7/11: 2.5 miles
    7/12: 2.8 miles

    23.9/55 miles


    It was even hotter today than yesterday. I expected to have a slow, miserable run. I was pleasantly surprised that I had a great run. I enjoyed almost all of it. The last .8 miles kind of sucked, but the first part was great and I ran a little faster than I have been averaging lately. I considered not running because of the heat, but I'm glad I did it. I have to drive my mom to Dallas tomorrow (a 2.5 hour drive) for a doctor's appointment so I won't be able to get a run tomorrow. Besides, it is July in Texas. It will either be hot or miserably hot so I figure I might as well just get it done. It did occur to me today that I might be running a little faster just so I could be finished sooner.


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    I'm in Texas too. Just north of Fort Worth before you get to Denton. It has been sooo very hot! And humid.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    AriellesMama wrote: »
    starting mid month and have a daily goal rather than miles, I am newish to running i was doing pretty good last year but sprained both of my feet in a fall. So I am pretty much starting over! working up to being able to run a mile again... baby steps.


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    Welcome!
    seanevan10 wrote: »
    I only have 5 miles with run/jog. I just started back running after about 5 years off. Reading all of these posts can be a little intimidating. :-)

    Welcome!
  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    edited July 2017
    @seanevan10 Hey I'm in Ardmore ok. No too far from you!
  • kgirlhart
    kgirlhart Posts: 5,184 Member
    seanevan10 wrote: »
    kgirlhart wrote: »
    July goal: 55 miles

    7/2: 4.3 miles
    7/3: 3.7 miles
    7/4: 3.8 miles
    7/5: 2.3 miles
    7/9: 4.5 miles
    7/11: 2.5 miles
    7/12: 2.8 miles

    23.9/55 miles


    It was even hotter today than yesterday. I expected to have a slow, miserable run. I was pleasantly surprised that I had a great run. I enjoyed almost all of it. The last .8 miles kind of sucked, but the first part was great and I ran a little faster than I have been averaging lately. I considered not running because of the heat, but I'm glad I did it. I have to drive my mom to Dallas tomorrow (a 2.5 hour drive) for a doctor's appointment so I won't be able to get a run tomorrow. Besides, it is July in Texas. It will either be hot or miserably hot so I figure I might as well just get it done. It did occur to me today that I might be running a little faster just so I could be finished sooner.


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    I'm in Texas too. Just north of Fort Worth before you get to Denton. It has been sooo very hot! And humid.

    My son is at school in Denton.
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