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July 2017 Running Challenge

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  • Posts: 11,502 Member
    7/1 - Rest Day
    7/2 -Rest Day
    7/3 - Rest Day
    7/4 - 2.98 (Based on Garmin distance) for local 5K… time was 26:22; not a PR at all, but I haven't run at all since 6/24 and won't be fat adapted for awhile yet.
    7/5 - 5.03 miles - not as fast as I planned :(
    7/6 - 3.01 miles treadmill. Plan was for easy miles, and these were scary slow.
    7/7 - Rest day
    7/8 - 7.37 miles. New trail running shoes! Went out on a trail I haven't visited for awhile, was hot and very slow. Very tall grass in areas made this very difficult as well.
    7/9 - Rest
    7/10 - Rest
    7/11 - 3.0 easy miles treadmill, very slow, before weight lifting. It's hot outside and it is just easy to run on the treadmill at the gym before lifting. I knew I was going to lose some speed when changing nutrition again, but this is really starting to scare me.
    7/12 - 5.02 miles, still slower than I wanted.
    7/13 - 3.0 miles treadmill before lifting weights. Still slow, but plan was for easy miles.

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    Upcoming Races:
    7/4/17 - Miner 5K
    7/29/17 - Dr. Dash 10K
    10/21/17 - Oregon Trail Run HM
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    July goal 100 miles

    July 1.........4.1 miles..........MTD 4.1
    July 2.........3.0 miles......... MTD 7.1
    July 3.........5.0 miles..........MTD 12.1
    July 4.........Rest Day..........MTD 12.1
    July 5.........8.5 miles..........MTD 20.6
    July 6.........3.1 miles..........MTD 23.7
    July 7.........3.5 miles..........MTD 27.2
    July 8.........Rest day..........MTD 27.2
    July 9.........8.5 miles.........MTD 35.7
    July 10.......3.5 miles.........MTD 39.2
    July 11.......8.0 miles.........MTD 47.2
    July 12.......3.2 miles.........MTD 50.4
    July 13.......Rest day..........MTD 50.4
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    July Running Totals (miles)
    7/1 – 14.00 paced run
    7/2 – 14.03 easy
    7/3 – 6.21 easy + 4 strides
    7/4 – 8.07 warm up + 4 mile race
    7/5 – 7.40 group run
    7/6 – 12.06 warm up + MP intervals
    7/7 – rest day
    7/8 – 15.01 paced 10 + ad hoc 5
    7/9 – 11.83 easy 90 minutes
    7/10 – 6.95 easy + 4 strides
    7/11 – 11.37 warm up, speed work, cool down
    7/12 – 6.04 group run
    7/13 – 11.62 warm up, speed work, cool down

    July total to date – 124.59

    Nominal Challenge Goal – 260 miles
    Real Goals: Stay healthy. Train toward Rochester Marathon. Pace Shoreline Half as close as possible to a 1:40 finish with even splits. Run Karknocker 5K in under 20 minutes.

    Today's notes – It was 66º F (19º C) and overcast with 83% relative humidity for the workout this evening. The temperature felt nice and cool compared to what I have been running in; but the humidity caught up to me in the form of clothes drenched with sweat.

    Today's assignment was 2 miles easy; 2-4 x 1600 at T pace w/1 minute recovery; 8 x 200 at I pace w/200 recovery; 3 miles easy. When there is a range of reps given, doctrine is that you should run no more than 10% of your weekly mileage at T and no more than 8% of your weekly mileage at I. But you don't get to run 18% of your mileage fast; you have to adjust for workouts that have multiple paces. So, to support 4 miles atT I need 40 miles per week; to support a mile at I, I need 12.5 miles per week. Maxing out at 4x1600 requires me to run 52.5 miles this week. I ran 62 last week, and the target this week is 68; so 4 is the answer. That's what I get for having a degree in math.

    I took the 2 miles easy to be the traditional 2 mile warm up, and ran a longer than usual cool down for the 3 miles easy at the end.

    I find timed recovery in conjunction with track distance intervals a nuisance, so I substituted 200 recovery for the 1 minute the workout called for. Close enough; those 200s of recovery came in at 1:03, 1:01, 1:04, and 1:05.

    Target for T pace was 48 to 49 seconds per 200m, or 6:24 to 6:32 for 1600. I ran the first 200m of the first 3 intervals too fast, and the 4 1600s came in at 6:22.5, 6:22.4, 6:22.5, and 6:28.7. Target for 200 at I was 45 to 46 seconds; the 8 200s came in at 45.3, 45.8, 44.1, 43.8, 45.5, 44.3, 45.1, and 44.4. This is the best workout I've had in some time for running the target pace accurately.

    After everything is in the books, look at the HR data from an 80-20 perspective. Warm up was mostly in Zone 0, with all of 23% in Zone 1 and 7% in Zone 2. That's kind of expected, as I was running with a couple of slightly slower guys and enjoying the conversation. Cool down was solo, without much Zone 0 - 27% Zone 1, 69% Zone 2. The interval workout reports 1% Zone 1, 24% Zone 2, 68% Zone X, 4% Zone 3. Zone X is what I'm supposed to stay out of, and it's pretty much where my HR stabilized running 1600m intervals at a known T pace. Hmm.

    Either 1600m isn't long enough for my HR to stabilize in Zone 3, or my estimate of lactic threshold heart rate is too high. If the LT HR estimate is too high, the proper number would shove all the zones down lower, and maybe indicate that I'm running some of my easy runs too hard. I'll have to think about that. I'm not really training by the 80-20 method, but I would expect the results of training by the Jack Daniels paces to be not too far off the 80-20 heart rates.

    I think I'll leave the zones alone until I see what my HR does next Tuesday, when the workout calls for 2 x 2 miles at T pace. I would think that 2 miles should be long enough for my heart rate to go wherever it's going to go while running at lactic threshold. Or if not 2 miles, maybe look at the 2 x 3 miles at T a week from next Tuesday.

    2017 races:
    January 1, 2017 Freezeroo #2 (Resolution Run 7.5 mile) (Mendon, NY) Finished in 50:45
    January 7, 2017 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) Finished in 1:32:40
    January 14, 2017 Freezeroo #3 (Pineway Ponds Park 5 mile) (Spencerport, NY) Finished in 33:42
    January 28, 2017 Freezeroo #4 (Hearnish 5 mile) (Victor, NY) short course, finished 4.88 miles in 32:50
    February 4, 2017 USATF Cross Country National Championship Masters 8K (Bend, OR) Finished in 35:39, team won the 60+ Men's cross country championship
    February 11, 2017 Freezeroo #5 (Valentines Run "In Memory of Tom Brannon" 8 Mile) (Greece, NY) sat out due to training schedule
    February 25, 2017 Freezeroo #6 (White House Challenge 4.4 mile) (Webster, NY) short course, finished 4.34 miles in 27:51
    March 11, 2017 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY) finished in 33:25
    March 18, 2017 USATF Masters 8K Championship (Shamrock 8K, Virginia Beach, VA) finished in 30:59, PR for 8K
    April 17, 2017 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA) finished in 3:49:42
    April 30, 2017 USATF Masters 10K Championship (James Joyce Ramble, Dedham, MA) finished in 39:54, PR for 10K
    May 21, 2017 Lilac Run 10K (Rochester, NY) finished in 40:04
    May 27, 2017 Canandaigua Classic Half Marathon (Canandaigua, NY) finished in 1:33:06
    June 9, 2017 Charlie McMullen Mile (Fairport, NY) finished in 5:44.90, PR for mile
    June 18, 2017 Medved 5K to Cure ALS (Rochester, NY) finished in 19:32
    July 4, 2017 Firecracker Four Mile (Fairport, NY) finished in 25:42
    July 15, 2017 Shoreline Half Marathon [1:40 pacer] (Hamlin, NY)
    July 28, 2017 Karknocker 5K (East Rochester, NY)
    September 3, 2017 Oak Tree Half Marathon (Geneseo, NY)
    September 17, 2017 MVP Rochester Marathon (Rochester, NY)
    November 23, 2017 Race with Grace 10K (Hilton, NY)
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    So Excited I got it done. I am actually doing 80 miles this month. Not sure if I will do 80 or 100 in August yet, but will see how this month finishes out.

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    Some reason I am getting just 50 as my goal on my ticker. I made a new one, hope it helps.

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    July goal: 55 miles

    7/2: 4.3 miles
    7/3: 3.7 miles
    7/4: 3.8 miles
    7/5: 2.3 miles
    7/9: 4.5 miles
    7/11: 2.5 miles
    7/12: 2.8 miles
    7/13: 3.1 miles

    27/55 miles


    I didn't think I would get to run today and I was so glad I was able to. I took my mom to Dallas today and she had a good report. But it is a 2.5 hour drive each way. Sometimes long drives like that give me sciatic pain. I'm not 100% sure that I should run when I have it. But honestly walking or running feels a lot better than sitting. My run was really good too. There was actually shade and even though it was hot, it was pretty pleasant for July. I still haven't decided if I like running after dinner, but I sure enjoyed it tonight. I really prefer to run before I eat. My favorite time to run is right after work, but right now it is just too hot at that time.


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    shanaber wrote: »
    @Orphia - love the Steigen socks! Do you know if they are available in the States?
    @skippygirlsmom - wow that vertigo sounds terrible! I hope you are feeling better and are able to function ok.

    I do think it is SO important to have a RoadID or some other type of easily found ID with you when you are out running.

    Steigen socks are available in several stores in the US:

    http://www.steigen.com.au/stockists/


    Regarding Road IDs: My parkrun barcode wristband has my ICE (In Case of Emergencies) contact details on it, and states I have nil medical conditions. You can get them to reflect your own personal information. I never take my wristband off.
  • Posts: 1,464 Member
    July Goal: 85 mile (yeah, a REAL goal!)

    7/1 3.75
    7/2 3.52
    7/3 rest
    7/4 3.26
    7/5 5.18
    7/6 snorkel 3.5 hours
    7/7 3.40
    7/8 6.00
    7/9 anniversary wine and dine
    7/10 4.23
    7/11 3.25
    7/12 rest
    7/13 4.88

    Total 37.47

    @shanaber Happy (belated) anniversary!

    Ticker is my goal for 2017 and progress to date:
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    upcoming races:
    Fun in the Sun Virtual 10k 6/28/17
    Race to Cure Sarcoma Month of July
    Volcano Rainforest Runs 10k 8/19
    BlockThe Sun Run 5k Oct 14 (https://walk.aimatmelanoma.org/Hilo2017) (physical and virtual options available)


    Steve says: "Wear your sunblock and join our virtual run!"
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    July 1- 9.7
    July 2- 5
    July 3- Off
    July 4- 11.7
    July 6- 12.1
    July 7- 7.6
    July 8- 21
    July 9- 20.5
    July 10- Off
    July 11- 18
    July 12 -19
    July 13- 15

    139.6/360
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    Well, I do not KNOW, but what I would SUSPECT is it has to do with power draw.

    So think of it this way, if you live in an area where there are power outages, you probably have heard generators running. When you just have a hand full of lights and maybe cell phone chargers plugged in, the generator ticks along at a constant level. Now, say you have a large appliance plugged in. When that thing cycles on, you hear the generator kick it up to a higher level of output. That fast hard hit made it work harder to keep up with power draw.

    I suspect your body works the same way. When you are drawing energy into your muscles at a slow steady rate, the fat burning system ticks along happily but when you crank it up a notch your muscles start demanding MORE POWER NOW and your body increases its use of glycogen to match demand.

    Or, in short, I would think it is based on level and rate of demand. Higher and faster demand can only be fulfilled by glycogen. Lower and slower can tap fat stores.


    Thank you! I like your approach to it.

    I also asked elsewhere, and this was one reply:

    "Hitting the wall is an over abundance of Hydrogen ions in your muscle cells, they're produced as a by product of your mitochondria metabolising glycogen to produce ATP. Your cells become acidic from the H ions as you're not in taking enough O2 to flush it out. This acid is then converted to pyruvate by an 8 stage process and is a secondary energy source, although not as efficient as glycogen. I understand it but find it hard to explain. Although energy is created by breaking molecular bonds. Bonds that are broken between triglyceride fatty acids produce twice as much energy as those from carbohydrates, that is probably why."

    Sciencey!

    And another reply:

    "The body is 'clever', that's why it uses fat and sugars as energy supplies. Both fat burning and glycogen useage go on all the time, but the mix varies according to what is available to the body at the time, and according to the energy demands being placed on the body. We burn fat more at night. During exercise I think glycogen is always the 'first choice', as it is easier to metabolise. Then blood sugars, then fat last. To really improve fat burning efficiency, you would need to run until glycogen is depleted, 1.5 to 2 hours, and not top up with sugars, or by running without having eaten beforehand. A more extreme method is a low carb high fat diet. Running (partially) glycogen depleted forces fat burning, and this could be achieved by running two long runs on consecutive days, eg. as in training for the marathon................."

    And another:

    "The body starts the mix off as best it can judge what is likely to be needed. If you are doing lots of fast stuff then it will put less fat in the mix and more glycogen. If you are doing plenty of slow runs it predicts another slow run and puts more fat in the mix. You then say, aha, tricked you! And run fast. Instead of burning all the glycogen store away, you burn more fat this time and so the glycogen store lasts longer."

    Between all the range these replies cover, I think I'm starting to understand! :smiley:
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    7/2 4.0 Mi 4.0 Mi 36.0 Mi
    7/4 3.4 Mi 7.4 Mi 32.6 Mi
    7/6 3.7 Mi 11.1Mi 28.9 Mi
    7/8 3.8 Mi 14.9Mi 25.1 Mi
    7/11 3.1 Mi 18.0Mi 22.0 Mi
    7/13 3.1 Mi 21.1Mi 18.9 Mi

    Tuesday was a treadmill day at work. Our gym never feels cold enough when I run and seems to be stuffy too. At least I got it done.
    Yesterday was a hill run. You know it is going to be rough when you start sweating just walking from the car to the bathroom to change. Wasn't sure I would be able to get it done because it was thundering a little when I got there but I was able to finish between rain storms.

    2017 Races :
    4/29/2017 Pro Football Hall of Fame 5k - Done
    6/10/17 Run and Ride Cedar Point 5K (maybe) - Done
    7/30/17 Home Run 4 miler (maybe)
    8/6/17 Hofbrauhaus 5k (maybe, not in a really good neighborhood)
    9/9/17 Kick off 5k (race 2 of series)
    11/19/17 Halftime 10K (race 3 of series)
    2/4/18 Championship 5 miler (race 4 of series)
    4/29/18 Akron Half Marathon (Can sign up for $26.50 by 8/1 without getting a shirt for full or half)
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    Orphia wrote: »
    Between all the range these replies cover, I think I'm starting to understand! :smiley:

    Good! :smiley:

    This comment is interesting:
    Orphia wrote: »
    To really improve fat burning efficiency, you would need to run until glycogen is depleted, 1.5 to 2 hours, and not top up with sugars, or by running without having eaten beforehand.

    Only cause I would say I do not worry about fuel when "only" running around an hour and a half or so. It is when I plan to push into longer times that I start to plan for fuel. Never really thought about how I came up with that measure, it is just how it worked itself out naturally.
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    Short run to work and back this morning.

    Though technically at an easy pace, the way there was anything but easy in terms of effort starting with 71m of climbing in 1.4km - not horrendous as I took the shallower option to get up the hill but definitely made me sweat!!

    As I started my return leg I felt a very slight niggle in my right calf/left shin which put me out of action last week, but disappeared almost instantly so hopefully a phantom pain. In any case, likely won't have time to run again until Monday so will be rested.

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    1-July: 11.51km - easy 6.5k; HM pace last 5k
    2-July: 19.26km - easy(-ish)
    3-July: 12.84km - MP-easy
    5-July: 6.51km - Very easy
    -INJURY-
    13-July: 5.61km - easy
    13-July: 5.00km - easy
    14-July: 3.64km - easy
    14-July: 3.12km - easy

    Upcoming Races:
    9-July: Southend HM (DNS: Injury)
    ?? 22-Oct: Chelmsford Marathon ?? [Undecided]
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    2.5 miles treadmill walk 15% incline 3 mph zone 2 for 50 minutes. What I like about the treadmill is it was easy to adjust and stay in the zone because I can monitor my heart well and the machine is in charge of pace.
    @PastorVincent and @Orphia looking at training suggestions for marathons. They suggest on early training runs to run long runs fasted, no fuel regardless of time. This will cause you to go into glycogen depletion and your body will be forced to burn fat. On long runs within 3-4 weeks of your race run fueled which will teach your body to accept and process fuel while running. Getting the combination right is extremely difficult , that's why even Stan and Moby will tell you they are still figuring it out. The one thing most will agree on is that this fuel burning element is a key component to a good marathon.
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    @garygse - Congrats on the new job!
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    July 2: C25K W7D3 - 2.0 miles running (25 min), 4.2 miles total
    July 4: C25K W8D1 - 2.4 miles running (30 min), 4.2 miles total
    July 6: C25K W8D2 - 2.3 miles running (28 minutes), 4.2 miles total
    July 8: C25K W8D3 - 2.4 miles running (30 min), 4.2 miles total
    July 10: 2.4 miles running (31 min), 4.2 miles total
    July 12: 2.5 miles running (32 min), 4.2 miles total
    July 14: 2.7 miles running (34 min), 4.2 miles total

    Totals: 20.7/25 and 29.4/25

    Noticed when I got up that I was dehydrated. I drank some extra water before setting off, but 5:30 is too early for much critical thinking. I could tell that I wasn't feeling great, but attributed it to lack of yoga; there's no yoga Wednesday nights, and last night we did a movie date night instead of yoga. It was only when I was walking back that I realized how dry I was, and only when my left hamstring started feeling crampy on the drive home that I started thinking electrolytes. Then when I got home, the scale said I'd lost twice as much fluid as I normally would.

    I have enough data to know that my medicated blood pressure is sodium-sensitive, but not enough data yet to know whether there's a threshold or whether it's linear. So I've gotten out of the habit of adding salt to anything I cook, and yesterday I apparently had less than 850mg of sodium. That was a poor choice. I had some cheese and a third bottle of water, then breakfast, and am feeling back to normal now.

    More distance today, despite everything, because the addition was all downhill. I've got one more little hill to get over, and the rest of the 5k is all downhill.
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    kgirlhart wrote: »

    My son is at school in Denton.

    I love Denton! Do you come to visit?
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    Elise4270 wrote: »
    @seanevan10 Hey I'm in Ardmore ok. No too far from you!

    We have some property not too far from Ardmore so we are up there every now and then.
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    So, I was going to do my easy 5 mile recovery run after work yesterday, but have decided to move that to Saturday, after Zumba. We had a big low pressure storm system come through yesterday afternoon, and I think my blood pressure took a nosedive. I had also done 8 miles the night before, including the track speed workout, and it was very humid and warm, so I might have also been salt-depleted. Whatever the cause, I was feeling kinda light headed yesterday afternoon, and occasionally verging on slightly nauseous feeling, so I decided it would be a better idea to drink a lot of water, take in some salt, and postpone my run. Very much looking forward to todays' 8-9 miles of running (probably going to split between lunch and after work) because it's gray and rainy out and only has a projected high of 71°F! Woohoo!!! :o:)
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    @skippygirlsmom - Vertigo is no fun. Glad you were able to get home safely. The only time I experience vertigo is in the swimming pool, usually after doing a few flip turns badly and BANG it hits me. Like you it quickly ends my workout regime.

    It's been a sucky week for running, to many long days at work with lots of driving = mental exhaustion = Bed Head = zero run motivation.

    Was in a confined space on Wednesday and cramped up, since then my hammy has been all twingeeee and grumpy so between travel/time restrictions a forced down week. :(
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    @elise4270 thanks for the link. Years ago when it first started to happen the neurologist told my mother that it is caused by a virus, but "vertigo" itself is a symptom of other types of things (things they ruled out when I was in my teens). The hope is the virus goes away. When it started again bad a few years later the neurologist said evidently the virus never went away. There is nothing you can take to cure it (depending on what it's from), but things you can do to help with the symptoms. Though stress doesn't cause it, it can make it worse and I think that might be my issue right now.
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    7/1 - travel day
    7/2 - unpack truck day
    7/3 - 4 miles
    7/4 - more unpacking
    7/5 - exhausted
    7/6 - 3 miles
    7/7 - 8K 5 miles the 2nd of the 3 race in the Grand Prix series
    7/8 - 3 miles - very tired legs
    7/9 - rest day, more unpacking day
    7/10 - 6 miles
    7/11 - 4 miles
    7/12 - rest day
    7/13 - 2 miles (I ran 1.5 and walked 1.5 so I'm giving myself 2 LOL)
    7/14 - 6 miles

    33 out of 80 miles

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    Warm morning, but it felt good today. The vertigo stayed in check as long as a kept my eyes about 5 feet in front of me. Though I had to laugh trying to tie my shoes, I finally had to put my feet up on my bed.

    Working half day so I'll have to come back to read everyone's posts.
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    edited July 2017
    Main goal is to survive the Eugene Curnow Trail marathon and get more time on feet.
    Nominal mileage goal: Let's say 100? Maybe I'll be a PastorVincent and set my goal at the end of the month

    7/1- 11
    7/2- REST/Family day
    7/3- REST/Family Day
    7/4- 6ey stinger
    7/5- 5
    7/6- 6
    7/6- 5.1<--daily double
    7/7- REST
    7/8-17.7
    7/9-9
    7/10- REST
    7/11- 3.1
    7/12- 3.1
    7/13- REST
    7/14- REST

    Total: 66.3

    Today's notes: another rest day which means another chance to over think everything..



    Have a Runderful day all!

    2017 Races Scheduled
    6/16- William A Irvin 5k
    6/17- Grandma's Marathon 4:24:06
    7/15- Eugene Curnow Trail Marathon
    8/19- Rampage at the Ridge 5k OCR
    9/23- Ely Marathon (full)
    10/21 Wild Duluth 100k
    11/23- TBD 5k Turkey
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