December 2017 Running Challenge
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@Orphia that sounds like a good plan. Remember, with an ultra, unless you're a speed demon, walk/hike the hills.
One saying I heard is that if you're in shape for a marathon, you can do an ultra. I believe that, as my 100k training wasn't much more mileage than my marathon training. I actually found that i recovered from my first ultra at a faster rate than my first marathon. The hiking and eating a lot during the ultra really helped2 -
Distance runners, if I'm planning to do my first 50 km run on April 15, and my longest run is my first marathon (on August 27), how far do you think my longest run should be in training?
I ran my first (and only) 50K with multiple weeks with my long run >30K and about a 39 K longest run plus I did the back to back runs (I think I did about 8 miles though on the other weekend day) that have been suggested by @MNLittleFinn. One thing I did was to run my Sat run in the late afternoon and the Sunday run in the early morning to try to better simulate the race situation. I agree though about not having to do much more than marathon training for a 50K!
Like @MNLittleFinn I loved the food and it helped my recovery. The last trail marathon I did was like that as well (Backside Trail Marathon in Louisville, KY). Lots of snacks kept me motoring along.
I am hoping to do a spring 50K, so I am starting back to backs but my mileage isn't getting up there yet. I'll start ramping more after my night trail half marathon in Jan.1 -
I just read the list of foods I could see at Zumbro. With cheese quesadillas, I might be the first person ever to gain 10 pounds during a 100 mile ultra.8
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@hjeppley I always say that about doing yoga more regularly too. I always feel so much better when I do it. Maybe when my schedule eases up at the semester break I can start going regularly.
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
11/01/17 :::: 3.0 :::: 3.0
11/02/17 :::: 9.1 :::: 12.1
11/03/17 :::: 4.3 :::: 16.3
11/04/17 :::: 3.0 :::: 19.4
11/05/17 :::: 4.0 :::: 23.4
11/06/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 23.4
11/07/17 :::: 4.5 :::: 27.9
11/08/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 27.9
11/09/17 :::: 3.0 :::: 30.9
Kind of sums up the last couple of days. Didn't get a run in on Friday at all. Everything took longer than expected all day long. Today my planned long run with the group didn't happen because I had to take the dog to the vet. Poor Stella has kennel cough. As always these things come to a head on the weekend, right before I'm supposed to leave town on Monday. She is terrified of the vet so it's no easy feat to have her examined either.
Anyway, we made it, she got some antibiotics and some controlled substance to help with the cough, which the pharmacy seemed to scrutinize. We took a nap after all that, and then eventually I did get a few errands done and a run on the treadmill at the Y. Hopefully long run tomorrow.
So, I'm going to DC for a couple of days on Monday. I should have time for a run or two. I'm staying in Georgetown, not too far from the National Mall so that's probably my main goal, but if anyone has any suggestions let me know. I've never actually done anything in DC before - I've only been in and out to meetings and hotels and the drive to and from the airport, so I'm excited to see a little.
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@shanaber I have had to find a specific routine that I am to do every night before bed. It's a combo of rolling the ouchie parts and some core work and hip strength moves from a few sources. Some are from a runners world "never get hurt" article, some are from PT exercises I did a few years ago, and some are from a Les Mills class I take. I usually end up doing it 5x a week, but aim for every day. It really helps!1
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@Garyse lol you also get the privilege of paying for that unwanted feature.0
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I will update my log soon, but I am completely thrilled that I completed my HM today. I ran it in exactly 2:15 and finished 13th in my age group. I was within 10 seconds of 10th place, also! The last 1.5 were tough until the last .25 and I knew I had it. Was fortunate to pace with a few folks, and that helped mentally. A few folks were using me to pace themselves!!
Came home and napped and now I feel like I got hit by a truck, but had the forethought to toss some dinner in the slow cooker before the race.
I am so over the moon about it and so thankful I stuck with the plan (Hal Higdon Novice 1) and have this group. I am also 1000x thankful I did even minimal speed work during training, had some hills on my regular routes, and brought my own water. Those three things set me apart from the pack I was with most of the race.
I also made sure I was fueled properly, and that made a huge difference. I doubled what had been my typical long run fare, and munched some sport beans along the way. Didn't fatigue like I did on my 12 miles last weekend.20 -
So awesome, @fitoverfortymom! You killed it! Great job.1
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katharmonic wrote: »@hjeppley I always say that about doing yoga more regularly too. I always feel so much better when I do it. Maybe when my schedule eases up at the semester break I can start going regularly.
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So, I'm going to DC for a couple of days on Monday. I should have time for a run or two. I'm staying in Georgetown, not too far from the National Mall so that's probably my main goal, but if anyone has any suggestions let me know. I've never actually done anything in DC before - I've only been in and out to meetings and hotels and the drive to and from the airport, so I'm excited to see a little.
@katharmonic I am with you on the semester break strategy. I always seem to do well then and then things (usually yoga) falls apart once things get busy again.
I had a really good run in DC a number of years ago when I stayed in Arlington for a grant panel. I met some random military guy when I was out running (probably not my best idea in hindsight) who showed me the trails on Theodore Roosevelt Island. Another year I walked my luggage from Dupont Circle all the way down to the airport past the Jefferson Memorial. That was a pretty cool route as well. I have this weird penchant for walking to and from airports--did it in San Francisco once too...
@fitoverfortymom Congrats on a well-run race! It is always good when the nutrition piece comes together nicely. I was pleased with how I managed in my 10 miler last weekend--I had been running all of my training runs with only water, so I wasn't sure how the race-provided Gatorade was going to fare, but it was OK. Starting with tomorrow's 12 mile training run I am going to start carrying my race pack and Tailwind again. Need to get back in the habit of carrying my own stuff.1 -
@fitoverfortymom. So so proud of you! Great race!1
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How do you all get motivation to stretch, do yoga, foam roll on non-running days or at night? I am supposed to be doing these things 2-3 times per day... I have no problem getting it in 1st thing in the morning, before a run and sometimes after but I often even put that off and later in the evening it is the last thing on my mind. Logically I know it is hurting me in the long run with the healing process for my hip and hamstring but I just can't seem to make it a priority.
This is the $64,000 question for me. Like you I seem to have more luck if I do it first thing in the morning rather than last thing at night. I am one that needs the answer to this question as much as you! The science behind habit creation though seems to point to tying a very tiny new habit (maybe just picking up the foam roller) to something that you always do already. So "As soon as I put my bag down when I walk through the front door at night, I will pick up my foam roller." If you then actually do some foam rolling, great! If not, you are still creating a connection in your brain that will hopefully stick.
Unfortunately for me all this is still mostly theoretical
With that, I am going to go do my PT in front of the TV while my family is watching a movie. 
Thanks for the motivation. 2 -
December 1 - 10 km
December 2 - 16 km
December 3 - 5km club run / strength training
December 4 - 12 km treadmill
December 5 - 12 km treadmill
December 6 - 16 km run / strength training
December 7 - 16 km run
December 8 - 16 km run / strength training
December 9 - 16 km run / 11 km run
December 10 - 5 km club run / 16 km walk
135 km - goal 350 km2 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »I will update my log soon, but I am completely thrilled that I completed my HM today. I ran it in exactly 2:15 and finished 13th in my age group. I was within 10 seconds of 10th place, also! The last 1.5 were tough until the last .25 and I knew I had it. Was fortunate to pace with a few folks, and that helped mentally. A few folks were using me to pace themselves!!
Came home and napped and now I feel like I got hit by a truck, but had the forethought to toss some dinner in the slow cooker before the race.
I am so over the moon about it and so thankful I stuck with the plan (Hal Higdon Novice 1) and have this group. I am also 1000x thankful I did even minimal speed work during training, had some hills on my regular routes, and brought my own water. Those three things set me apart from the pack I was with most of the race.
I also made sure I was fueled properly, and that made a huge difference. I doubled what had been my typical long run fare, and munched some sport beans along the way. Didn't fatigue like I did on my 12 miles last weekend.
Woot! You totally nailed it. Congratulations.0 -
10 km Walk run with two of the Ladies in our local club. Beautiful day for December, 3C and SunShine.
Gloves came off at 4 km and coat was unzipped for ventilation/cooling.
I have been struggling so far this winter and today was also a struggle. Sat down for coffee and a gossip session after. When I got up to leave I was starting to stiffen up. Since getting into running it's the first time I ever felt stiff after a 10k run. Hitting the FR.
12/03 9.5 km – 146.03 km - MTD 009.5 km
12/04 6.94km – 139.09 km - MTD 016.44km
12/09 10.08km – 129.01 km - MTD 026.52km – YTD 1270.79 km Manzer Road
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MNLittleFinn wrote: »I just read the list of foods I could see at Zumbro. With cheese quesadillas, I might be the first person ever to gain 10 pounds during a 100 mile ultra.
See this element of ultraing is lost on me
. But then again I like running the ascents too so I'm odd man out 
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@fitoverfortymom FANTASTIC! Congratulations - awesome time!0
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fitoverfortymom wrote: »I will update my log soon, but I am completely thrilled that I completed my HM today. I ran it in exactly 2:15 and finished 13th in my age group. I was within 10 seconds of 10th place, also! The last 1.5 were tough until the last .25 and I knew I had it. Was fortunate to pace with a few folks, and that helped mentally. A few folks were using me to pace themselves!!
Came home and napped and now I feel like I got hit by a truck, but had the forethought to toss some dinner in the slow cooker before the race.
I am so over the moon about it and so thankful I stuck with the plan (Hal Higdon Novice 1) and have this group. I am also 1000x thankful I did even minimal speed work during training, had some hills on my regular routes, and brought my own water. Those three things set me apart from the pack I was with most of the race.
I also made sure I was fueled properly, and that made a huge difference. I doubled what had been my typical long run fare, and munched some sport beans along the way. Didn't fatigue like I did on my 12 miles last weekend.
W00T!!! CONGRATS!!!0 -
skippygirlsmom wrote: »@PastorVincent Kaitlyn is amazing!
Humbling to think she could have run an extra mile AND STILL BEAT ME.1 -
12/01 - Intentional rest day
12/02 - Run Santa Run 5k - 22:11 PR!
12/03 - 13.5 miles @ 9:24
12/04 - unplanned rest day
12/05 - 10.1 miles @ 9:21
12/06 - 10 miles @ 9:24
12/07 - Strength + 7 miles @ 9:14
12/08 - Nada
12/09 - Nada
Big Hairy Audacious Goal: Sub 4 hours in Pittsburgh 2018!
Official Marathon PR: 4:11:28
Next Races (more as I find them):
02/10/18 - Valentine's Day 15k
03/17/18 - Shamrock Shuffle Half Marathon
05/06/18 - Pittsburgh Marathon - aiming for sub four hours.
05/12/18 - Glacier Ridge 50k Trail Ultra (I must hate myself)
2020 - Disney World Dopey! (if can raise funds)
None running check-in. As expected, December is proving to be too busy to get out and run. Still hopeful for a longish run tomorrow, but with how far behind I am in sleep AND how much I have to do tomorrow... it is not looking promising.
In other news, my slot on the Strava leaderboard is up for grabs... 1 -
JessicaMcB wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »I just read the list of foods I could see at Zumbro. With cheese quesadillas, I might be the first person ever to gain 10 pounds during a 100 mile ultra.
See this element of ultraing is lost on me . But then again I like running the ascents too so I'm odd man out
Scott Jurek was known to down entire bean burritos while going full bore downhill.0 -
December goal: 95.71 miles
12/1 3.51
12/2 5.00
12/3 rest
12/4 4.25
12/5 5.87
12/6 4.30
12/7 3.25
12/8 rest
12/9 6.01
Total 32.19
Fabulous! @fitoverfortymom !
Ticker is my goal for 2017 and progress to date:
Upcoming races:
Phoenix Women's 10k 1/28/18
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@fitoverfortymom - Woot Woot!! Congratulations! Awesome job!
2:15 is my PR time in the HM I am running a week from today. I don't think there is any chance I can hit that this time though.
@RunsOnEspresso - thanks for the link to the recovery yoga! Now I just have to work them into my schedule and actually do them... some how create that lin kin my brain that @hjeppley describes with the motivation from @fitoverfortymom. If I focus on the good it is going to do maybe I will pick up that foam roller more often to make it a habit!
@Elise4270 - great run!! I think anyway - how do you feel now? How is the hip?
@katharmonic - love that meme!
I totally messed up our weekend schedule thinking an event was this morning when it is actually tomorrow. So I wasted this morning going somewhere I didn't need to be and not getting in a long run. We have to be there tomorrow morning so the long run I planned for tomorrow is out now too... I did go out and run tonight once the sun went down and it had cooled to 75F. The winds actually felt good until I had to run against them I guess I will just call this taper for the HM next Saturday that I am not trained for so don't really need a taper at all.. what I really needed was a good long run - ugh! The good news is it is supposed to be cooler next weekend with a high mid 70's so it should be good during the race. I am really hoping the humidity comes back up too - single digit is just too dry!
Date........Miles.......Total
12/01......5.24........5.24 - Sleeping, running and wine tasting!
12/02......2.60........7.84 - Dog park
12/03......6.00......13.84 - more sleeping, running and wine tasting!
12/04......0.00......13.84 - Driving
+ Agility
12/05......4.37......18.21 - Birthday Intervals + Strength Training
12/06......0.00......18.21
12/06......0.00......18.21 - +Strength Training
12/07......0.00......18.21
12/08......5.41......23.62
12/09......4.45......28.07
My completed and upcoming races. Let me know if you will be running them too.
02/05/17 - Surf City Half Marathon
07/23/17 - San Francisco 1st Half Marathon
10/14/17 - AIM for the Cure Melanoma 5K Walk/Run
12/16/17 - San Diego Holiday Half Marathon
02/04/18 - Surf City Half Marathon
07/22/18 - San Francisco 2nd Half Marathon1 -
@katharmonic I am with you on the semester break strategy. I always seem to do well then and then things (usually yoga) falls apart once things get busy again.
I had a really good run in DC a number of years ago when I stayed in Arlington for a grant panel. I met some random military guy when I was out running (probably not my best idea in hindsight) who showed me the trails on Theodore Roosevelt Island. Another year I walked my luggage from Dupont Circle all the way down to the airport past the Jefferson Memorial. That was a pretty cool route as well. I have this weird penchant for walking to and from airports--did it in San Francisco once too...
Thanks @hjeppley. I was thinking Roosevelt Island for another option, that sounds good. Not sure exactly how much time I'll actually have when it comes down to it, but I can make grand plans. I think I'll skip running to or from the airport Might be faster to walk to the airport than drive it in DC though.
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Pushed myself to hit that 7 mile mark as well as running that last mile with no stopping and I didn't want to die after. Definitely having a winning morning. Lol
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@shanaber I had a very hard time making myself get out and run. I decided to go try 2-3 miles, maybe walk if I had too. I really wanted DH to go with me. Last week's run was so hard, falling and tripping so often, I was gun shy.
He wanted to run 5-6.... Ok I could suck it up. I kept thinking I'd get hurt and have to be carried out of the park, not being found for hours, in the cold... I'm messed up in the head after all this, such a wuss
The hip was fine the entire run. I've learned to keep my strides short and pace about 12. My foot is what bothered me most. I'm stiffer this morning than usual, and will just be sure to rest a few days before attempting to run again.
Thanks for all your support!2 -
01/12 4.13 miles
05/12 4.14 miles - really enjoyed this run, felt I was able to push a little harder.
06/12 3.53 miles - windy, wet, dark, sluggish - everything yesterday wasn't
10/12 4.04 miles
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Got my 5k in early this morning. Outdoors, 30F temps. 9:29 per mile
15.5 of 50 mile goal completed6 -
December Running Challenge
Goal: 90 km
Ran: 32/90 km
10/12/17 Run 6 km
9/12/17 rest day
8/12/17 Walk 5 km
7/12/17 walk 10 km
6/12/17 Run 8 km
5/12/17 Run 6 km
4/12/17 Run 6 km
3/12/17 Walk 5 km
2/12/17 rest day
1/12/17 6 km3 -
@fitoverfortymom Congrats on an awesome HM PR!!!
So, to all you ultra runners out there...hydration packs.
I love distance running, and my lofty goal for 2018 is to work my way up to running through the night (Friday night through Saturday morning), which means potentially looking at long runs ultimately in the 50-mile region or so (hey, lofty goal for me, @JessicaMcB).
That means I'm going to need a decent hydration pack. For my training through this past Texas summer, I didn't carry any water, and would instead rely on water fountains and a gel every 5-8 miles or so. However, longer distance will mean a hydration pack and something along the lines of Tailwind will be in order.
So initial research has led me to this Salomon vest. My planned routes will still take me by water fountains so that I can refill; they'll just be fewer and far between. Also, this will still be street running and not trails, (if that would matter any). Thoughts? Chaffing issues? Issues I haven't even thought about yet? Better options?2 -
First paved long run in a long time because I've been doing so many trails, but decided my ankle/foot needed a break after yoga yesterday and the crazy intense trail race last weekend. Did a 12 mi loop of the nearby town's paved trail system and felt strong, averaging just under 9 min mile pace. Knees are not used to the pounding, but it was a good change of pace from the trail running. Going to do my Gymnastic Bodies stretching program this afternoon and a bit of PT as well later today.
@Elise4270 Good job getting out there despite the barriers!
Goals this month: 90 miles, maintain weight, PT and yoga, add one day of weights per week, register for spring marathon or ultra,
Day/Distance/Comments
Dec 1 Walk outside for about 30 min (rest before race)
Dec 2 Jackson 50/50 10 mile “Fun Run” 4th female finisher in this crazy steep trail race (10.2 mi total)
Dec 3 3.4 mi slow recovery run, PT
Dec 4 Water walking + PT
Dec 5 3.3 mi
Dec 6 Rest day (unintentional!)
Dec 7 3.1 mi + PT
Dec 8 Water walking
Dec 9 5.5 mi + yoga + some PT
Dec 10 12 mi + Gymnastic Bodies stretching routine + PT
Goal: 90 mi
Done: 37.5 mi
To go: 52.5 mi4
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