Less Alcohol- July 2018- One Day at a Time
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Mornin' y'all. Im doing the 16/8 intermittent fasting thing and I am hangry. I'm only eating between 11-7 and its 10:40 am now so the time is fast approaching to be able to eat. Yay! I've been doing this 3 days and have lost 1.2 lbs. Does anyone else do this and has it been successful for you? I hear it's good for all kinds of health reasons, not just weight control.3
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Mornin' y'all. Im doing the 16/8 intermittent fasting thing and I am hangry. I'm only eating between 11-7 and its 10:40 am now so the time is fast approaching to be able to eat. Yay! I've been doing this 3 days and have lost 1.2 lbs. Does anyone else do this and has it been successful for you? I hear it's good for all kinds of health reasons, not just weight control.
Good for you! I think IF builds discipline and is good for the mind/body connection. You’re so motivating! Xo2 -
What a great site. I too am struggling with my drinking and know that it is hurting my efforts to lose weight. Thanks for all the great resources!9
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@jjohnstonkay Welcome! You will find lots of support here, whatever your goals may be.3
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JulieAL1969 wrote: »So, I was going to watch a short video update on Demi Lovato who overdosed , but first watched a commercial. You know the commercials you sit through on a news show before the video plays. It was a Seagram’s cooler commercial with girls in bikinis at a pool having fun. This was on the entertainment tonight website. Poor taste.
Since going AF I've started to notice more and more how engrained alcohol is in our current culture. The whole "mommy juice" "rosé all day" "wine o clock" gimmick is spiralling out of control. I was at the dog park Thursday and saw a woman wearing a shirt that said in huge letters, "vodka is always a good idea." I was floored, disgusted, and discouraged because these are the messages we have to fight through and against on a daily basis. These are the messages that provoke family and friends to judge US for abstaining. It's pretty sad, but I'm extra proud of myself and my husband because last night was the first Friday we've had without vodka in over a year!!!12 -
Ksandoval0401 wrote: »JulieAL1969 wrote: »So, I was going to watch a short video update on Demi Lovato who overdosed , but first watched a commercial. You know the commercials you sit through on a news show before the video plays. It was a Seagram’s cooler commercial with girls in bikinis at a pool having fun. This was on the entertainment tonight website. Poor taste.
Since going AF I've started to notice more and more how engrained alcohol is in our current culture. The whole "mommy juice" "rosé all day" "wine o clock" gimmick is spiralling out of control. I was at the dog park Thursday and saw a woman wearing a shirt that said in huge letters, "vodka is always a good idea." I was floored, disgusted, and discouraged because these are the messages we have to fight through and against on a daily basis. These are the messages that provoke family and friends to judge US for abstaining. It's pretty sad, but I'm extra proud of myself and my husband because last night was the first Friday we've had without vodka in over a year!!!
Congrats ! You and your husband woke up so happy I bet! One of the things that always troubled me was all the neighborhood parties I've been part of that were mostly drink fests. And the kids would see all that drinkng and toasting. I just never felt good about the example I was setting.
You're right about alcohol being accepted and almost encouraged in our society. And yes, there is a stigma to quitting alcohol as opposed to quitting smoking. Good observations you have !4 -
jjohnstonkay wrote: »What a great site. I too am struggling with my drinking and know that it is hurting my efforts to lose weight. Thanks for all the great resources!
Happy to hear from you! Xo1 -
Ksandoval0401 wrote: »JulieAL1969 wrote: »So, I was going to watch a short video update on Demi Lovato who overdosed , but first watched a commercial. You know the commercials you sit through on a news show before the video plays. It was a Seagram’s cooler commercial with girls in bikinis at a pool having fun. This was on the entertainment tonight website. Poor taste.
Since going AF I've started to notice more and more how engrained alcohol is in our current culture. The whole "mommy juice" "rosé all day" "wine o clock" gimmick is spiralling out of control. I was at the dog park Thursday and saw a woman wearing a shirt that said in huge letters, "vodka is always a good idea." I was floored, disgusted, and discouraged because these are the messages we have to fight through and against on a daily basis. These are the messages that provoke family and friends to judge US for abstaining. It's pretty sad, but I'm extra proud of myself and my husband because last night was the first Friday we've had without vodka in over a year!!!
Congrats on your success!
I really think social media makes excessive drinking look “acceptable”. The world is terrifying.
On a side note, can I just say that in general I am a curmudgeon and really hate those saying shirts - regardless of what the message is. I really don’t care that much about strangers lives that I need to know that about you. Whether you are a boozebag, a marathon runner or whatever.
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Here is the proposed version for August. If you have any corrections please let me know. Please avoid quoting the entire post as it is VERY long now.MFP LESS ALCOHOL ONE DAY AT A TIME
RESOURCE & GENERAL INFORMATION LISTRemember that we are here for you and care about you. Check in with us when you have time and let us know what you need!
USING OUR THREAD:- Join us at any time - this is a day to day challenge.
- Set your own goal - this thread is about drinking less you and decide what that means to you.
- There are no scheduled check-ins - post as often or as little as you want or need.
- AF is an acronym for Alcohol Free. For others commonly used on this site see - https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1069278/acronyms-and-terms-for-new-mfp-members-v-6/p1
- To follow this thread easily, bookmark it by clicking on the star at the top right of this thread.
TIPS & OBSERVATIONS FROM OUR MEMBERS:
Getting Started or Starting Over - The Early Days- Some people find it easier to set small attainable goals at the beginning to help boost confidence.
- If you have been drinking daily the first days will be some of the hardest and drinking again will feel like a cure but it delays the relief that only time can provide.
- There will always be a reason to delay the start/restart of your journey.
- For those ready to commit to being alcohol-free permanently, the videos on YouTube by Craig Beck will help. He also has a program you can join.
- You may experience mood swings and anxiety during your first two weeks. It is suggested you try and focus on the benefits of your goal.
- Cravings are said to last only 6 minutes, so find something to distract you like arming yourself with alternatives: tea, mocktails, activities, etc.
- You may find that filling the time you drink with other activities like exercise or hobbies can be a helpful distraction.
- If you find them tempting try and avoid events/outings that will have drinking for a time.
- Don't let pride or shame keep you from asking for the help you need.
- Sometimes talking it out or posting your thoughts/feelings/struggles may help you work things out for yourself.
- It is okay that you don't always have all the answers.
- Some days will be easier than others.
- You may have initial/increased sugar cravings.
- You should never take a day that you have lived up to your goals for granted.
- Celebrate the smaller victories too. Less alcohol is still less alcohol even if your goal was zero at that moment.
- Once you begin sticking to your goals for one day to many days you should believe you are capable of the same and more because you are.
- Annie Grace (This Naked Mind author) has a free program on her website (https://www.alcoholexperiment.com/) called the 30 day experiment which can be joined anonymously.
- Failure is not giving in and drinking. Failure is to stop trying to accomplish your goals.
Life with Less Alcohol- It can be helpful to educate yourself with books and web research (Some suggested books and links listed below).
- There is no benefit to comparing yourself to others because this is a personal journey.
- You may often feel conflicted. You will know that there are numerous real benefits to sticking to your goal while at the same time think that alcohol is an important part of stress relief, relaxation, celebration, etc.
- You may feel punished by not drinking or drinking less but that feeling usually fades with time.
- Sometimes drinking less or quitting will strain friendships that centered around alcohol.
- Having a list of reasons to stick to your goals handy for yourself can be helpful. Some lists have included remembering how bad it feels to have a hangover, excess/unwanted calories, having a racing heart during the night, sleeplessness, anxiety, and depression.
- It is a good idea to have a plan for how you might deal with various tempting scenarios before engaging in a social situation.
- Self-Reflection is an important part of the journey. Once we figure out why we drink we can hopefully use that information to form new habits and make better and more mindful decisions.
- Sometimes doing something nice for yourself like a little reward for a success makes the journey easier.
- You will see many helpful suggestions and ideas that work for some people. However, finding what tactics work for you may involve some trial and error.
- It is not uncommon for certain activities that were once combined with alcohol to trigger temptation. Many have said that outdoor activities in warmer weather made alcohol very tempting.
- Many that have spent time with no alcohol after drinking again realized that it doesn't enhance experiences like they once believed it did. Some have said they no longer like the taste.
- Don't forget how sticking to your goal has made your life better and remember it to motivate you again if you fall off your path.
- If you begin drinking daily again whether planned like a vacation or unplanned you may once again face a struggle to get it under control.
- For some people it is easier to not drink than it is to moderate drinking. Others have found moderating impossible.
Reported Benefits of Less or No Drinking: (Results may be incremental, and/or they may vary)- Improved sleep after 2,4,7,10,& 60 days
- Improved skin/complexion after 10 days
- Improved ease in weight loss. Not only from the savings of alcohol calories but some report making poor food choices after drinking.
- Increased energy after as few as 2 days
- Increase in other fun activities. Some have found that daily drinking became their main recreational activity and their world was decreased in size.
- Increased productivity
- Reduction of high blood pressure
- Lower resting heart rate
- Less Acid Reflux
- Significant financial savings
- Better relationships with family
When Alcohol Is Used for Avoidance by @Orphia:- We drink to ease the stress of the working day, to avoid it.
- We drink to avoid anxiety in social situations.
- We drink to avoid making decisions about not drinking.
- Our problems don't go away if we avoid them. We need to learn to face them.
- I've learned that not drinking makes the problems often go away (e.g. drinking out of worry about drinking).
- Having a clear head makes our problems seem much smaller.
- Having a clear head makes problems easier to solve.
How to Be Kind to "Tomorrow You" by @Orphia- Instead of lumbering myself with guilt, headaches, and poor nutrition hangovers in the morning, I think of think how nice it would be not to feel that way tomorrow.
- I worry about "me" and don't want "Tomorrow Me" to feel awful.
- Instead of thinking alcohol is something nice to have *now*, think of *NOT drinking* as something nice we can do for the person we are when we awaken in the morning.
- Do you bank calories for a festive occasion? (Handy tactic, I might add.)
- We can bank a good mood for when we wake up.
- We need to have sympathy for "Tomorrow You" and be kind to her/him.
- Don't look at a day without alcohol as a punishment for being bad or having no willpower.
- Not drinking is a lovely, sympathetic gesture towards the person we are now, and whom we will wake up as.
- You’d be kind to a stranger. Be kind to Tomorrow You.
A Sharing Site for Women:
http://www.drinkingdiaries.com/about/
General Information/Blog Sites:
https://thesoberschool.com/
http://www.hipsobriety.com/
https://joinclubsoda.co.uk/
https://thisnakedmind.com/blog/
https://alcoholmastery.com/blog/
Sobriety Blog:
http://mummywasasecretdrinker.blogspot.com/
The Thirty Day Experiment:
https://www.alcoholexperiment.com/
Ten Things That Helped Me Quit Booze:
https://unpickledblog.com/2017/01/04/replacement-behaviours-ten-things-that-helped-me-kick-booze/?wref=tp
The Neuroscience Behind How We Make Decisions:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201505/the-neuroscience-making-decision
Summary of Book on Addiction:
https://drgabormate.com/book/in-the-realm-of-hungry-ghosts/
Article on the Difference Between Being an Alcoholic and Really Liking to Drink:
https://www.self.com/story/alcoholic-or-just-really-like-to-drink
To the Mom questioning her drinking habits:
http://www.scarymommy.com/questioning-drinking-habits/
Guided Meditations:
http://marc.ucla.edu/mindful-meditations
ALTERNATIVE DRINKS:
Overnight Cold Brew Iced Tea:
https://www.splendidtable.org/story/you-can-cold-brew-iced-tea-while-you-sleep
Mocktail Recipes:
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipes/1822/drinks/mocktails/
https://www.foodandwine.com/cocktails-spirits/mocktails
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/drinks/how-to/g785/best-mocktail-recipes/
APPS:- Dry January & Beyond - The Dry January & Beyond app is for those who want to cut down or cut out the booze throughout the year, while seeing the impact it has on your health and wallet.
- EasyQuitDrinking - Provides health stats, money saved, games to distract you, motivational tips, and several other features
- nomo - Sobriety Clocks - In addition to an alcohol clock and monetary savings this app lets you check in and do a sobriety exercise if you're tempted and connect with accountability partners.
BOOKS:- The Naked Mind by Annie Grace
- Alcohol Lied to Me by Craig Beck
- Rational Recovery by Jack Trimpey
- The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober by Catherine Gray
- The Liars Club, Cherry, and Lit by Mary Karr (3 different publications)
- Kick the Drink...Easily by Jason Vale
- Drinking: A Love Story by Caroline Knapp
- Being Sober: A Step-by-Step Guide to Getting To, Getting Through, and Living in Recovery by Harry Haroutunian
- The Easy, Illustrated Way to Quit Drinking by Alan Carr
- Alcohol Explained by William Porter
https://youtu.be/T3eIiS-Rl4k
https://youtu.be/Qiueo1nVyF8
https://youtu.be/VB5WyBeFc8U
https://youtu.be/XNr62PhHOC8
Credit and Thanks to the MFP Less Alcohol One Day at a Time participants for their willingness to share their insights and resourcefulness in finding this information.MFPLARD 07.28.18 Version 2.09 -
Hello all.
Wanted to check in. After 12 days AF, I caved and had some drinks with friends who came to visit from out of town last night. Long story short, I didn’t keep it to 1 or 2 and have a nice hangover to show for it. Sucks.
I am not bummed with myself, because doing so was eye-opening. As I ordered my first beer last night, I thought - hey I bet this is going to taste and feel so good! And I drank. And it didn’t. Drinking didn’t make me feel better and it didn’t enhance my experience at all.
I’ve spent most of the day resting and rehydrating, as well as reflecting. Drinking doesn’t make me feel good and it doesn’t make anything better.
So - back to it! I felt so much better without it and I’m anxious to get back to the many benefits.
Another side note: but I think I have a sensitivity or allergy to something in the beer. After a night of a few drinks, I wake up warm (body is a heater!), flushed, and my sinuses are congested! My nose was so clogged this morning I had trouble breathing out of it. Just miserable. Another reason to just not do it!
I’m glad I can come here and be honest and vent. Hope you all are having a good weekend so far.11 -
@NovusDies Wow. Killer job on that man! Appreciate all the effort!3
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Wanted to check in. After 12 days AF, I caved and had some drinks with friends who came to visit from out of town last night. Long story short, I didn’t keep it to 1 or 2 and have a nice hangover to show for it. Sucks.
We all stumble, sometimes fall....the successful are the ones who get up and carry on9 -
It took 7 years of so many strategies and plans to stop drinking. I was taking a large garbage bag of beer cans to return every month. This doesn't include all the bottles of whatever. I was so sick of it and myself. I really don't enjoy the taste of alcohol unless it is sweetened with something so I can't taste it.So many successes and I am sure more failures, I am not convinced. I won't fail again, but I will try for the next minute with help. I think of drinking every day--even if it just passes through my hard head. I try not to dwell on it. I eat candy if I have to. I try to avoid situations where I think I will fall or I have a strategy and a way to leave if needed.IT DOES GET EASIER. I can now pass a liquor store and not notice and then laugh that I didn't notice later. Sometimes I need to eat candy as I pass, lol. I think it through why I want to drink or why I am thinking about it when it occurs. Am I hungry, thirsty, lonely, bored, feeling out of control, upset, depressed, sad, angry, you name it. Is there something I can do about a problem or not. A drink won't solve any of it. It is better for me to be AF. I cannot stop at one. I have seen people drink a half of a glass of wine and stop. I look and think--gees why don't you finish it? I would have to finish it. It is best I don't drink. I am happier without it. I write nowadays for others that maybe they can benefit from it.......
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@ErynVee I am so happy you feel comfortable to vent. We have all been there ! We are in this together. And it’s always good to see a positive (Iike you are doing) and can compare how you felt for 12 day vs. one night of drinking, etc. It’s all part of the journey. Tomorrow when you awaken you will feel better. Thank goodness hangovers go away:) xo5
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@NovusDies Looks awesome! I am looking forward to the next month’s thread , because I have gained immense knowledge from everyone we have met along the way. Thanks to you and @orphia for continuing it. Xo4
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Any objections if I change the name next month to "Less Alcohol - August 2018 - Be Kind to Tomorrow You"?
I just like the idea of that motto being seen by everyone who visits the challenge threads because it relates to a lot more challenges than just ours.6 -
@NovusDies Thanks for the updated resources.
I've saved it and removed the EasyQuitDrinking app bit because there doesn't seem to be such an app.1 -
I just found this great post when looking for that app.
https://thesoberschool.com/stupid-lies/
"3 stupid lies that will stop you quitting drinking"
Don't fall for these myths!
"You need to call yourself an alcoholic, or else you’re in denial"
If you identify with this label and it supports your efforts to change, then that’s great. But if you don’t like this label – and it doesn’t feel good to you – then you really can ditch it. I certainly have.
I consider myself to be someone who chooses not to drink, because that’s what makes me feel my best. It’s a lifestyle I enjoy. I choose not to drink in the same way that I choose not to sniff glue, pop pills, smoke cigarettes or eat cheap burgers.
The problem with the term alcoholic is that it implies it’s abnormal to get addicted to alcohol, when that really isn’t the case. Alcohol is a widely available, well advertised, highly addictive, mind-altering drug that tends to be presented as the solution to all our problems. Who wouldn’t get addicted to that?!
If alcohol is making us feel unhappy – and we’re ready to recognise that and take action – then we should be able to change our behaviour without having to justify ourselves, or be forced into acquiring some new alcoholic identity.
"You need to hit rock bottom"
The idea that you need to wait until your drinking is ‘bad enough’ before you quit is a dangerous myth. I still see this idea referenced in articles today and it makes me mad.
What exactly is rock bottom anyway? It will vary from person to person, surely? There is no definition of it. And doesn’t the idea of hitting rock bottom imply that sobriety is so hideous, it can only be a last resort – something to be considered when your life is falling apart and all other options have been exhausted?
Trust me, you do not need to wait until you’re pouring vodka on your cornflakes in the morning before you decide it’s time to quit. It’s perfectly fine to stop drinking without a collection of booze related war stories.
Ultimately, drinking is all about how you feel, and if alcohol is not making you feel great, then that’s all the information you need. None of us need to be anywhere near rock bottom before we decide to stop hurting ourselves.
"Sobriety will always be a daily battle"
When I was thinking about quitting, this is something that really worried me. The idea that stopping drinking meant entering into some kind of continuous test of willpower made me feel depressed.
Here’s what I’ve discovered since then.
Yes, changing a habit does require effort in the early days. It requires commitment. But alcohol-free living is NOT hard work forever. Honestly – if it was, I would’ve gone back to drinking a long time ago!
I talked last week about alcohol basically being engine fuel. If you want to put this toxic poison up on a pedestal, romanticise the heck out of it and continuously mourn the fact that you can’t have it, you can do. That’s one option.
Alternatively, you can educate yourself about booze and learn about the myths and illusions (i.e. what science tells us alcohol can do, vs what we’re led to believe it can do).
This myth-busting approach makes sobriety a lot easier, because you start to see that a lot of the ‘benefits’ to drinking are really just smoke and mirrors, and a bit of wishful thinking. (We cover the myths and illusions in detail on my stop drinking course)
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Love the first one! I choose not to drink. I don't have to be addicted to alcohol to not want to drink.
And with regards to the last one, calling our thread "One Day At A Time" implies every day is a battle. No!!7 -
@NovusDies Thanks for the updated resources.
I've saved it and removed the EasyQuitDrinking app bit because there doesn't seem to be such an app.
I couldn't find it either but we have had people using it which is how it made its way into the post. I don't know where all the cool kids get their apps so I assumed I was looking in the wrong places.
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Mornin' y'all. Im doing the 16/8 intermittent fasting thing and I am hangry. I'm only eating between 11-7 and its 10:40 am now so the time is fast approaching to be able to eat. Yay! I've been doing this 3 days and have lost 1.2 lbs. Does anyone else do this and has it been successful for you? I hear it's good for all kinds of health reasons, not just weight control.
Interesting!!! I've been doing IF for the past few days...I recently wrote a blog about it asking if anyone had some feedback for me. I never even thought to ask on this forum. I read an article on MSN about it & was intrigued by all the health benefits. I'm also doing the 16/8 fast. So far so good. I was losing at a good rate before, but like I said, it's the other health claims that motivated me to try it. I'm giving it till the end of August to see how it is, but I actually don't mind eating this way. Keep me posted please3 -
@NovusDies Thanks for the updated resources.
I've saved it and removed the EasyQuitDrinking app bit because there doesn't seem to be such an app.
I have the EasyQuitDrinking app on my phone. Perhaps it is a Canadian thing...????3 -
I don't see "one day at a time" as an indicator of a struggle anymore. I see it as a reminder not to take a day for granted for the opportunity it represents and the celebration of how far I have come. But others may not see it that way.
One of the reasons I added the section of "Using Our Thread" is to make it clear that it is not a month challenge. However, some people may never open the thread if they assume that it is. If the title is going to be changed maybe it should make it even more clear.
Less Alcohol - Aug 2018 - Personal Challenge Support
Less Alcohol - Aug 2018 - Personal Goal Support
Challenge Yourself to Less Alcohol - Aug 2018 Support Thread
Less Alcohol - Aug 2018 - Long Flowing Hair Found Here
I am not offering these as a debate against "tomorrow you" just as another possibility for consideration. I still like the original too but I am a bit sentimental so you can ignore me.5 -
lorrainequiche59 wrote: »@NovusDies Thanks for the updated resources.
I've saved it and removed the EasyQuitDrinking app bit because there doesn't seem to be such an app.
I have the EasyQuitDrinking app on my phone. Perhaps it is a Canadian thing...????
Well it is definitely "cooler" up there so I was right.
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lorrainequiche59 wrote: »@NovusDies Thanks for the updated resources.
I've saved it and removed the EasyQuitDrinking app bit because there doesn't seem to be such an app.
I have the EasyQuitDrinking app on my phone. Perhaps it is a Canadian thing...????
Can you post a link to it on the App Store or Google Play?
The only references on Google seem to be to here and a couple of forum posts elsewhere. No app links.2 -
JulieAL1969 wrote: »@NovusDies Looks awesome! I am looking forward to the next month’s thread , because I have gained immense knowledge from everyone we have met along the way. Thanks to you and @orphia for continuing it. Xo
I don't deserve any credit for continuing it. @Orphia is the one who will be doing all the work hosting and the members are doing such a great job greeting and congratulating people.2 -
Hmm, interesting thought about this not being a month challenge.
Maybe we could just call the thread "Less Alcohol" and continue it indefinitely, or until the resources OP desperately needs updating, and have a bit in the OP about joining for however long you need.
Or is that the complete opposite to where you were heading?
I probably think too much, and am remembering what I read about people thinking Dry July etc means binge drinking the rest of the year.1 -
@NovusDies Wow. Killer job on that man! Appreciate all the effort!
It feels more complete now. The only thing that is bothering me still is there is not really enough there for moderation goals. Nothing can be done about it for August now. Maybe if @orphia doesn't mind we can look at it again next month and see if there is something we can do about that.
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I personally like One Day At A Time. It has been very motivational and kind of a motto for this group I feel.
Also, I don’t like change
with anything. I’ll drive a car til it doesn’t run. Keep a cell phone til its stops working. And so on. Told you guys I’m a curmudgeon! 7 -
Hmm, interesting thought about this not being a month challenge.
Maybe we could just call the thread "Less Alcohol" and continue it indefinitely, or until the resources OP desperately needs updating, and have a bit in the OP about joining for however long you need.
Or is that the complete opposite to where you were heading?
I probably think too much, and am remembering what I read about people thinking Dry July etc means binge drinking the rest of the year.
I highly recommend against continuing it indefinitely. I know for a fact that some message board users will completely avoid "monster" threads (threads with a very large number of replies). The reason I felt like the resource post was important was to keep past wisdom and information from disappearing with each new thread. I wanted us to have a better way of building on what has already been done.
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Fair enough. If it ain't broke, no need to "fix" it.
I look forward to next month.2
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