Unexpected downsides of losing weight
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I would just like to raise the Raynaud's thing again. Because it's currently 13°C here, so WHY DO I HAVE NO FEELING IN 5 OF MY FINGERTIPS?!
But also, hemlines. Apparently if you're a size 10 (UK) it is illegal to wear dresses that have skirts longer than about 1" below *kitten* level. Do not ask how long it took me to put together an interview outfit last week. I mean, most of the options would probably have got me hired, but for a very different role...18 -
Spadesheart wrote: »mitch22098 wrote: »Low energy is the worst thing for me. Even with coffee I'll need to take a nap.
I wish this was an issue for me! I thought the diet and extra exercise would help my sleep as I haven't slept a solid 8 hours since early high school. I still haven't.
Have you been checked for apnea? A lot of people wake up too often because they stop breathing constantly. Weight issues can be a factor.2 -
Spadesheart wrote: »mitch22098 wrote: »Low energy is the worst thing for me. Even with coffee I'll need to take a nap.
I wish this was an issue for me! I thought the diet and extra exercise would help my sleep as I haven't slept a solid 8 hours since early high school. I still haven't.
Have you been checked for apnea? A lot of people wake up too often because they stop breathing constantly. Weight issues can be a factor.
I did, but that was 60 pounds ago. I apparently had a mild case, but I assumed the weight loss would have taken care of it as well. Sigh.3 -
But also, hemlines. Apparently if you're a size 10 (UK) it is illegal to wear dresses that have skirts longer than about 1" below *kitten* level.
THIS!!!!!!!! All I want is a stupid denim skirt. I’m getting used to showing my “smile line” in shorts. Not happy about it, but living with it. But I’ll be damned if I’ll wear a skirt or dress that shows all the goodies, ya know?
I used to think I could make a mint selling fashionable clothing for large women. Anything that didn’t scream Lane Bryant, et al.
But now I’m realizing there’s money in fashionable clothes for modest women.
The grass is always greener, no?!7 -
Spadesheart wrote: »Spadesheart wrote: »mitch22098 wrote: »Low energy is the worst thing for me. Even with coffee I'll need to take a nap.
I wish this was an issue for me! I thought the diet and extra exercise would help my sleep as I haven't slept a solid 8 hours since early high school. I still haven't.
Have you been checked for apnea? A lot of people wake up too often because they stop breathing constantly. Weight issues can be a factor.
I did, but that was 60 pounds ago. I apparently had a mild case, but I assumed the weight loss would have taken care of it as well. Sigh.
I would have thought losing weight would have fixed it too, but maybe not.1 -
Spadesheart wrote: »I did, but that was 60 pounds ago. I apparently had a mild case, but I assumed the weight loss would have taken care of it as well. Sigh.
Unfortunately, since OSA can have multiple factors contributing to it, weight loss doesn't always fix it. I still have it after losing 60 pounds. On the positive side, though, I use CPAP religiously and get great sleep.
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Spadesheart wrote: »Spadesheart wrote: »mitch22098 wrote: »Low energy is the worst thing for me. Even with coffee I'll need to take a nap.
I wish this was an issue for me! I thought the diet and extra exercise would help my sleep as I haven't slept a solid 8 hours since early high school. I still haven't.
Have you been checked for apnea? A lot of people wake up too often because they stop breathing constantly. Weight issues can be a factor.
I did, but that was 60 pounds ago. I apparently had a mild case, but I assumed the weight loss would have taken care of it as well. Sigh.
Weight loss (down to BMI 20 at one point, from obese, now at 22) didn't fix my apnea. And apnea treatment (CPAP) didn't fix my sleep interruption insomnia: Still woke up every 90 minutes or so, all night, every night. Treatment made me sleep a bit more soundly for the 90 minutes, and that's about all. Weight loss reduced the apnea severity slightly.
(Lost weight despite that sleep situation, BTW; despite menopause; despite being older (59-60 while losing); despite being severely hypothyroid . . . .)7 -
Spadesheart wrote: »Spadesheart wrote: »mitch22098 wrote: »Low energy is the worst thing for me. Even with coffee I'll need to take a nap.
I wish this was an issue for me! I thought the diet and extra exercise would help my sleep as I haven't slept a solid 8 hours since early high school. I still haven't.
Have you been checked for apnea? A lot of people wake up too often because they stop breathing constantly. Weight issues can be a factor.
I did, but that was 60 pounds ago. I apparently had a mild case, but I assumed the weight loss would have taken care of it as well. Sigh.
Weight loss (down to BMI 20 at one point, from obese, now at 22) didn't fix my apnea. And apnea treatment (CPAP) didn't fix my sleep interruption insomnia: Still woke up every 90 minutes or so, all night, every night. Treatment made me sleep a bit more soundly for the 90 minutes, and that's about all. Weight loss reduced the apnea severity slightly.
(Lost weight despite that sleep situation, BTW; despite menopause; despite being older (59-60 while losing); despite being severely hypothyroid . . . .)
So you're saying you still sleep poorly? Maybe we're just the kind of people that require less sleep now?0 -
Weight loss (down to BMI 20 at one point, from obese, now at 22) didn't fix my apnea. And apnea treatment (CPAP) didn't fix my sleep interruption insomnia: Still woke up every 90 minutes or so, all night, every night. Treatment made me sleep a bit more soundly for the 90 minutes, and that's about all. Weight loss reduced the apnea severity slightly.
I’m experiencing something similar... I have no issue falling asleep but I wake up ever 90 minutes or so. So frustrating!
I had severe sleep apnea (my AHI was over 120). After losing a bunch of weight, my obstructive apneas have virtually gone away but I still am experiencing hypopneas and some central apneas. I still use my BiPAP, but I usually mindlessly take the mask off in the middle of the night during one of the many awakenings. The lack of quality sleep is catching up to me. Wish I could figure this out... the sleep doctor I see never mentioned sleep interruption insomnia. Will need to bring that up at my next appointment... thanks @AnnPT771 -
Spadesheart wrote: »Spadesheart wrote: »Spadesheart wrote: »mitch22098 wrote: »Low energy is the worst thing for me. Even with coffee I'll need to take a nap.
I wish this was an issue for me! I thought the diet and extra exercise would help my sleep as I haven't slept a solid 8 hours since early high school. I still haven't.
Have you been checked for apnea? A lot of people wake up too often because they stop breathing constantly. Weight issues can be a factor.
I did, but that was 60 pounds ago. I apparently had a mild case, but I assumed the weight loss would have taken care of it as well. Sigh.
Weight loss (down to BMI 20 at one point, from obese, now at 22) didn't fix my apnea. And apnea treatment (CPAP) didn't fix my sleep interruption insomnia: Still woke up every 90 minutes or so, all night, every night. Treatment made me sleep a bit more soundly for the 90 minutes, and that's about all. Weight loss reduced the apnea severity slightly.
(Lost weight despite that sleep situation, BTW; despite menopause; despite being older (59-60 while losing); despite being severely hypothyroid . . . .)
So you're saying you still sleep poorly? Maybe we're just the kind of people that require less sleep now?
I don't require less sleep.
I still sleep with many interruptions, wake up briefly, go right back to sleep. It's slightly better than it once was (passages of time, various remediative attempts - though no changes with weight loss), but it's not good, not restful.
It's been almost 19 years like this. I've tried everything, even things I was sure wouldn't work. Still a problem.
Perhaps you require less sleep. I require more than I'm normally able to get.8 -
springlering62 wrote: »THIS!!!!!!!! All I want is a stupid denim skirt. I’m getting used to showing my “smile line” in shorts. Not happy about it, but living with it. But I’ll be damned if I’ll wear a skirt or dress that shows all the goodies, ya know?
Need a reverse Captain American meme for this, please; I don't understand this reference. What is a "smile line"? The crease where your butt cheeks meet your upper thigh (aka, gluteal sulcus or horizontal gluteal crease) from the rear? Or are you talking about the visible rounding of ones mons pubis (aka, mons Venus) from the front?1 -
While I'm not certain, I suspect my time spent eating in a deficit (55 pounds lost in ~1.5 years, so not a rapid rate of loss) may have contributed to my current iron deficiency anemia. Supplementing now. Boooo
Iron supplementation is no fun. Watch those micronutrients, kids! 5 -
grinning_chick wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »THIS!!!!!!!! All I want is a stupid denim skirt. I’m getting used to showing my “smile line” in shorts. Not happy about it, but living with it. But I’ll be damned if I’ll wear a skirt or dress that shows all the goodies, ya know?
Need a reverse Captain American meme for this, please; I don't understand this reference. What is a "smile line"? The crease where your butt cheeks meet your upper thigh (aka, gluteal sulcus or horizontal gluteal crease) from the rear? Or are you talking about the visible rounding of ones mons pubis (aka, mons Venus) from the front?
Thank you, I'm not sure about this either!
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While I'm not certain, I suspect my time spent eating in a deficit (55 pounds lost in ~1.5 years, so not a rapid rate of loss) may have contributed to my current iron deficiency anemia. Supplementing now. Boooo Iron supplementation is no fun. Watch those micronutrients, kids!
Absolutely. I've decided to diet on what comes to 1500 cals a day. In order to get enough protein + micros I have to do some really silly things: I eat a Mango and a carrot every day for vitamins C and A, I have two bowls of fortified cereal for Iron and a Tums for calcium. There's not a lot of wiggle room in my daily cals for treats after all the boxes are checked but I think it's worth it in the long run👌7 -
grinning_chick wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »THIS!!!!!!!! All I want is a stupid denim skirt. I’m getting used to showing my “smile line” in shorts. Not happy about it, but living with it. But I’ll be damned if I’ll wear a skirt or dress that shows all the goodies, ya know?
Need a reverse Captain American meme for this, please; I don't understand this reference. What is a "smile line"? The crease where your butt cheeks meet your upper thigh (aka, gluteal sulcus or horizontal gluteal crease) from the rear? Or are you talking about the visible rounding of ones mons pubis (aka, mons Venus) from the front?
Thank you, I'm not sure about this either!
I'm assuming most people in this conversation are talking about the fupa "fat upper pubic area" and lower abdomen/hip area having some weight/excess skin that can cause a rounded look to your lower belly in tight clothing like shorts & skirts. I think that's pretty common especially with weight loss. I don't have too much of an issue with this but get around what I do with thicker less stretchy fabric and properly fitting undergarments. If I were to wear close-fitting & light colored very thin or rayon blend shorts I'd probably have a little issue with it. In higher quality stretch denim or thicker non-stretch pants and shorts, my lower belly is flat as a thinner person's. Just my .022 -
Boooo Iron supplementation is no fun.
Allegedly (hearsay as I've never used personally), Floradix brand products are supposed to be be gentle on the gastrointestinal tract and not constipating. Or so I read at some point on one health/weight loss forum or another since I bookmarked it in response to someone's post in the event I ever need to look into iron supplements. https://www.florahealth.com/us/product-category/vitamins-minerals/4 -
grinning_chick wrote: »Boooo Iron supplementation is no fun.
Allegedly (hearsay as I've never used personally), Floradix brand products are supposed to be be gentle on the gastrointestinal tract and not constipating. Or so I read at some point on one health/weight loss forum or another since I bookmarked it in response to someone's post in the event I ever need to look into iron supplements. https://www.florahealth.com/us/product-category/vitamins-minerals/
That was next on my list to try if this: http://www.feosol.com/about/complete-iron-supplement/ didn't work out. So far, though, it seems far gentler than the others I've tried even on a double dose. If the Feosol isn't effective at raising my iron, though, I'll definitely try a liquid iron next.
I'm pretty low, so it won't be corrected overnight.3 -
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MelanieCN77 wrote: »I guess it depends on the person- for me plus size is closer to the facts whereas vanity sizing carries a negative connotation because nobody aspires to be vain.
The manufacturers aren't saying "here are some vanity sizes" and expecting people to go, oh that's me, and buy a thing. It's a name applied to something they gradually did over time that the average public didn't even know about, because they sold more items labeled size 4 to size 8 people, because those people were delighted to see they fit into a size 4 all of a sudden - describing that as practice as vanity sizing is clear and appropriate. It has NOTHING to do with what range of sizes are available. If you keep insisting that calling it weird because who would aspire to that, you're still missing the point.
I have to say I’m bitterly disappointed by the reaction to my posts on vanity sizing in here. I would have thought if anyone would understand what it’s like to be out of the normal size range and feel vilified for it, it would be people on here. I mean really, everyone on here has felt the need to lose weight and become a smaller size, that’s why we’re on here. I was just advocating being kind to others who haven’t lost that weight yet and the reaction to my comments really amazes me. Very sad.
I am sorry that you are bitterly disappointed by the reaction here but the problem is that we don't understand. I know the term vanity sizing upsets you but I really don't see why, unless you do not comprehend its meaning. Being plus-sized and vanity sizing are two totally different things. I do not feel vilified because of the vanity sizing label and didn't when I was larger. In fact, I found vanity sizing to be the opposite. I much prefered buying a size 16-18, when in reality, 20 years ago that sizing would have been a 20-22 instead. It meant I could kid myself with how much weight I was actually putting on. Only now do I find it a problem. Being under 5 foot it means that it is very difficult to find clothes that fit without resorting to the children's/teen department. While manufacturers have made clothing sizes larger to accommodate our growing waistlines, they are no longer making them as small.
Is it possible that you are confusing vanity sizing with those that talk of wanting to lose vanity pounds? Those that are a healthy weight but want to lose that little bit extra, for a body they much prefer the look of? This actually has nothing to do with vanity sizing.21 -
“Smile Line” is what one of my Pilates instructors has also dubbed the “thass” (thighs+*kitten*). It’s where your (hopefully) lovely and perfectly Pilates-rounded little apple bottom peeks out of your Daisy Dukes or your bikini bottoms. In her world anyway.
I’m tickled at y’all’s guesses though.
I just long for a denim skirt that doesn’t show any of those parts you guessed.
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »MelanieCN77 wrote: »I guess it depends on the person- for me plus size is closer to the facts whereas vanity sizing carries a negative connotation because nobody aspires to be vain.
The manufacturers aren't saying "here are some vanity sizes" and expecting people to go, oh that's me, and buy a thing. It's a name applied to something they gradually did over time that the average public didn't even know about, because they sold more items labeled size 4 to size 8 people, because those people were delighted to see they fit into a size 4 all of a sudden - describing that as practice as vanity sizing is clear and appropriate. It has NOTHING to do with what range of sizes are available. If you keep insisting that calling it weird because who would aspire to that, you're still missing the point.
I have to say I’m bitterly disappointed by the reaction to my posts on vanity sizing in here. I would have thought if anyone would understand what it’s like to be out of the normal size range and feel vilified for it, it would be people on here. I mean really, everyone on here has felt the need to lose weight and become a smaller size, that’s why we’re on here. I was just advocating being kind to others who haven’t lost that weight yet and the reaction to my comments really amazes me. Very sad.
I am sorry that you are bitterly disappointed by the reaction here but the problem is that we don't understand. I know the term vanity sizing upsets you but I really don't see why, unless you do not comprehend its meaning. Being plus-sized and vanity sizing are two totally different things. I do not feel vilified because of the vanity sizing label and didn't when I was larger. In fact, I found vanity sizing to be the opposite. I much prefered buying a size 16-18, when in reality, 20 years ago that sizing would have been a 20-22 instead. It meant I could kid myself with how much weight I was actually putting on. Only now do I find it a problem. Being under 5 foot it means that it is very difficult to find clothes that fit without resorting to the children's/teen department. While manufacturers have made clothing sizes larger to accommodate our growing waistlines, they are no longer making them as small.
Is it possible that you are confusing vanity sizing with those that talk of wanting to lose vanity pounds? Those that are a healthy weight but want to lose that little bit extra, for a body they much prefer the look of? This actually has nothing to do with vanity sizing.
I have tried to explain why this term upsets me, sorry if it’s still not clear but I don’t know how else to explain it. I never said that plus-sized and vanity sizes were the same thing, and I explicitly said I did not mean by my comments that smaller people should not be able to get clothes. I don’t think I’m confusing vanity sizing with vanity pounds either, I’m aware of the difference there.
I just don’t like the word “vanity” in vanity sizing because to me it implies that there is something wrong with manufacturers making clothing bigger at the same size to suit the population’s getting bigger, and puts people who need that down. I’d just rather we called it some else rather than vanity, because it’s not vanity to want clothes that fit.
But it IS vanity to want the clothes that fit to have a certain size on the label. There IS a problem with wanting to lie to yourself that you haven’t got bigger because you can still fit into a size 10 - and for clothing manufacturers to go along with that.
It also makes shopping in charity shops, or for vintage clothes, really frustrating. There is nothing good or useful about changing the meaning of ‘size 10’ over time.27 -
I have tried to explain why this term upsets me, sorry if it’s still not clear but I don’t know how else to explain it. I never said that plus-sized and vanity sizes were the same thing, and I explicitly said I did not mean by my comments that smaller people should not be able to get clothes. I don’t think I’m confusing vanity sizing with vanity pounds either, I’m aware of the difference there.
I just don’t like the word “vanity” in vanity sizing because to me it implies that there is something wrong with manufacturers making clothing bigger at the same size to suit the population’s getting bigger, and puts people who need that down. I’d just rather we called it some else rather than vanity, because it’s not vanity to want clothes that fit.
I think there is something wrong with clothing manufacturers making bigger clothing and labeling it a smaller number. Making people feel better about fitting a size 16 when they are really an 18 (for example) is not helpful to a person who is overweight. I'm all for self-love and acceptance but I think honesty and self awareness is imperative when it comes to weight and health.25 -
1) Finding clothes that fit as you decline without spending too much
2) Skin irritations
3) You are suddenly the diet expert and everyone asks you for weight loss advice even at funerals
4) You may have "fat brain" and continue to think you are heavier than you are or make decisions based on the heavier version of yourself.
5) Food repetition - I can't be the only one that gets into easy to fix and easy to log routines.
6) Grieving for the the loss of carefree eating - this one I am mostly over but it took a long time
7) Low energy days
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »MelanieCN77 wrote: »I guess it depends on the person- for me plus size is closer to the facts whereas vanity sizing carries a negative connotation because nobody aspires to be vain.
The manufacturers aren't saying "here are some vanity sizes" and expecting people to go, oh that's me, and buy a thing. It's a name applied to something they gradually did over time that the average public didn't even know about, because they sold more items labeled size 4 to size 8 people, because those people were delighted to see they fit into a size 4 all of a sudden - describing that as practice as vanity sizing is clear and appropriate. It has NOTHING to do with what range of sizes are available. If you keep insisting that calling it weird because who would aspire to that, you're still missing the point.
I have to say I’m bitterly disappointed by the reaction to my posts on vanity sizing in here. I would have thought if anyone would understand what it’s like to be out of the normal size range and feel vilified for it, it would be people on here. I mean really, everyone on here has felt the need to lose weight and become a smaller size, that’s why we’re on here. I was just advocating being kind to others who haven’t lost that weight yet and the reaction to my comments really amazes me. Very sad.
I am sorry that you are bitterly disappointed by the reaction here but the problem is that we don't understand. I know the term vanity sizing upsets you but I really don't see why, unless you do not comprehend its meaning. Being plus-sized and vanity sizing are two totally different things. I do not feel vilified because of the vanity sizing label and didn't when I was larger. In fact, I found vanity sizing to be the opposite. I much prefered buying a size 16-18, when in reality, 20 years ago that sizing would have been a 20-22 instead. It meant I could kid myself with how much weight I was actually putting on. Only now do I find it a problem. Being under 5 foot it means that it is very difficult to find clothes that fit without resorting to the children's/teen department. While manufacturers have made clothing sizes larger to accommodate our growing waistlines, they are no longer making them as small.
Is it possible that you are confusing vanity sizing with those that talk of wanting to lose vanity pounds? Those that are a healthy weight but want to lose that little bit extra, for a body they much prefer the look of? This actually has nothing to do with vanity sizing.
I have tried to explain why this term upsets me, sorry if it’s still not clear but I don’t know how else to explain it. I never said that plus-sized and vanity sizes were the same thing, and I explicitly said I did not mean by my comments that smaller people should not be able to get clothes. I don’t think I’m confusing vanity sizing with vanity pounds either, I’m aware of the difference there.
I just don’t like the word “vanity” in vanity sizing because to me it implies that there is something wrong with manufacturers making clothing bigger at the same size to suit the population’s getting bigger, and puts people who need that down. I’d just rather we called it some else rather than vanity, because it’s not vanity to want clothes that fit.
But it IS vanity to want the clothes that fit to have a certain size on the label. There IS a problem with wanting to lie to yourself that you haven’t got bigger because you can still fit into a size 10 - and for clothing manufacturers to go along with that.
It also makes shopping in charity shops, or for vintage clothes, really frustrating. There is nothing good or useful about changing the meaning of ‘size 10’ over time.
I don’t agree - I needed vanity sizing when I was really fat because that meant I could fit into the standard range. It wasn’t about kidding myself, I knew I had put on weight, and I didn’t care what size was on the label I just needed to be able to buy clothes that would do up. As I’ve said elsewhere I’m tall and plus size stores, at least here in Australia, do not cater to tall women, so I don’t think it was vanity to opt for a big size 16 that fitted instead of a non-existent size 18 or 20.
Wanting clothes that fit you and are correctly labeled as to their size does not involve vanity.
Wanting clothes that fit you and are labeled as if they were smaller sized than they really are does involve vanity and is the reason this practice exists.
Whether this practice, by happenstance, coincided with your particular needs which were not driven by vanity does not change the reason for and consequent label associated to the practice.
To be honest the practice is demeaning and assumes a level of self deception which I'm surprised we so easily accept.
In exchange for clothes that SOUND smaller than they really are we give up the right to have a reasonable expectation of fit without extensive testing when we pick up a particular size.
How many people check your label's size when you're walking around? My vivid imagination tells me how well this would play out if I tried it while walking downtown!
As to the rest of it: supply and demand. I used to shop the head office outlet store of a known sports / outdoor clothing manufacturer. I can walk there any time and find some really cheap 5x and 4x products. Lots of 3x too. Fewer, but good stock on 2x. Large and mediums? No way are these more commonly bought items available for less than 10% of retail (90% off) like the large sizes. 40% off and available in stock would be a lucky day! XS ladies? Sure. Plenty in the bargain bin for less than $10.
Really small and really large remain a minority of sales (as evidenced by their relative discounting and availability in the bargain bin) and the manufacturers can't be bothered. Especially when really small can already be "accommodated" via clothes for younger people.
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »MelanieCN77 wrote: »I guess it depends on the person- for me plus size is closer to the facts whereas vanity sizing carries a negative connotation because nobody aspires to be vain.
The manufacturers aren't saying "here are some vanity sizes" and expecting people to go, oh that's me, and buy a thing. It's a name applied to something they gradually did over time that the average public didn't even know about, because they sold more items labeled size 4 to size 8 people, because those people were delighted to see they fit into a size 4 all of a sudden - describing that as practice as vanity sizing is clear and appropriate. It has NOTHING to do with what range of sizes are available. If you keep insisting that calling it weird because who would aspire to that, you're still missing the point.
I have to say I’m bitterly disappointed by the reaction to my posts on vanity sizing in here. I would have thought if anyone would understand what it’s like to be out of the normal size range and feel vilified for it, it would be people on here. I mean really, everyone on here has felt the need to lose weight and become a smaller size, that’s why we’re on here. I was just advocating being kind to others who haven’t lost that weight yet and the reaction to my comments really amazes me. Very sad.
I am sorry that you are bitterly disappointed by the reaction here but the problem is that we don't understand. I know the term vanity sizing upsets you but I really don't see why, unless you do not comprehend its meaning. Being plus-sized and vanity sizing are two totally different things. I do not feel vilified because of the vanity sizing label and didn't when I was larger. In fact, I found vanity sizing to be the opposite. I much prefered buying a size 16-18, when in reality, 20 years ago that sizing would have been a 20-22 instead. It meant I could kid myself with how much weight I was actually putting on. Only now do I find it a problem. Being under 5 foot it means that it is very difficult to find clothes that fit without resorting to the children's/teen department. While manufacturers have made clothing sizes larger to accommodate our growing waistlines, they are no longer making them as small.
Is it possible that you are confusing vanity sizing with those that talk of wanting to lose vanity pounds? Those that are a healthy weight but want to lose that little bit extra, for a body they much prefer the look of? This actually has nothing to do with vanity sizing.
I have tried to explain why this term upsets me, sorry if it’s still not clear but I don’t know how else to explain it. I never said that plus-sized and vanity sizes were the same thing, and I explicitly said I did not mean by my comments that smaller people should not be able to get clothes. I don’t think I’m confusing vanity sizing with vanity pounds either, I’m aware of the difference there.
I just don’t like the word “vanity” in vanity sizing because to me it implies that there is something wrong with manufacturers making clothing bigger at the same size to suit the population’s getting bigger, and puts people who need that down. I’d just rather we called it some else rather than vanity, because it’s not vanity to want clothes that fit.
But it IS vanity to want the clothes that fit to have a certain size on the label. There IS a problem with wanting to lie to yourself that you haven’t got bigger because you can still fit into a size 10 - and for clothing manufacturers to go along with that.
It also makes shopping in charity shops, or for vintage clothes, really frustrating. There is nothing good or useful about changing the meaning of ‘size 10’ over time.
I don’t agree - I needed vanity sizing when I was really fat because that meant I could fit into the standard range. It wasn’t about kidding myself, I knew I had put on weight, and I didn’t care what size was on the label I just needed to be able to buy clothes that would do up. As I’ve said elsewhere I’m tall and plus size stores, at least here in Australia, do not cater to tall women, so I don’t think it was vanity to opt for a big size 16 that fitted instead of a non-existent size 18 or 20.
Wow, you really are confusing the two different issues here.
What on Earth makes you think that keeping the sizes consistent would mean that shops didn't stock clothes that fit you?13 -
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Unexpected downside of this thread.... Debates about things that cannot or will not be changed... Enough about vanity sizing already we get it clothes shopping sucks sometimes no matter your size.35
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