Coronavirus prep
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In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.6 -
Locally, shortly after the in-person dining/drinking limited reopening, photos were published of a crowd of young people, waiting to get in to a local restaurant/bar.
Now, at least 34 new cases of Covid, most in people 19-23, have been traced back to this restaurant. Anyone who went there between June 12 and June 20 is being asked to self-quarantine for 2 weeks, and get tested even if no symptoms. The health department thinks more cases linked to that location will be discovered.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2020/06/24/harpers-bar-east-lansing-covid-19-coronavirus-outbreak-msu-michigan-state-university/3250800001/
This is a very large jump in cases in this county (though I'm not sure all 34 count in this county - not sure if they do if the people live elsewhere). Before this started kicking in, the incidence curve had been rising, but before the last couple of days when these cases started rolling in, it was moving up a couple of cases per day since a low in mid June. Here's where we are now:
Updating as this is sort of a local Covid soap-opera now. The cases traced to this restaurant/bar have topped 85, with a satellite outbreak in Grosse Point (near Detroit, about 100 miles/90 minutes away from the restaurant). A People from there came to the restaurant, and one gave it to a person who hosted a big house party (while beginning to be symptomatic). Party was on Friday, host got sicker over the weekend, was tested positive on Monday, and didn't tell others who were at the party until Tuesday.
Either through the party or the people who went to the restaurant, a bonfire party also spread it there, resulting in further cases. The new case counts down in that area are now jumping dramatically, possibly their biggest one-day jump seen so far, and it follows a flat trend there of a couple of new cases a day for a while previous.
As of Friday, 80 people who were infected had direct contact with the location, and 5 were secondary. Of those, 23 are asymptomatic or presymptomatic. It's assumed more will be identified, I gather. Last I heard, all the direct infections were in the 18-28 age group. Given the percentage of pre- or asymptomatic people, I suspect we'll start seeing more secondary infections in older, potentially more vulnerable groups - parents, grandparents, etc.
I should point out tha I have a number of friends locally in the under-30 age group. They're all pretty much in "Those people were behaving like idiots! What were they thinking?!" mode. I'm not demonizing young people as a class, over this. Dumb behavior is the enemy here, not an age group.14 -
History repeats itself...10 -
“Give me liberty or give me Covid” ....ok...here’s some Covid8
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I've been lurking on here and found it fascinating to read how other states or countries are handling the pandemic. I know a lot of individuals who have tested positive are 65+ or with underlying conditions, but I just found our my kid's summer nanny (21 year old healthy college student) tested positive. Thank goodness my kids were gone visiting my parents during the time frame she was around 1 friend who tested positive which prompted her to get tested. Seriously it was a one day difference when she was with my kids then saw her friend (who she hasn't seen in a month). I'm praying she doesn't suffer too much from it (so far she hasn't) and hopefully in 2-weeks she'll be symptom free and her doctor says she can return to society and my kids lives.
Around 40% of my patients are under age 65, and I have not had a single non covid positive patient since the middle of March.
The youngest I have seen die from covid is 23, without any preexisting conditions.24 -
What country are you in?
I'm in the US and would consider random tests beyond what was approved by me to be illegal, and of course charges for unapproved tests improper. But I understood the first question to be asking whether they would offer to do antibody tests (i.e, ask for approval), since they were desired.
Can I ask why you care? I wouldn't care less if more tests are done on me as long as it's not hurting me or my bank balance. Maybe I'm too easy going, not sure. As long as we get rid of the virus I don't mind what is done.
I'd approve it if asked -- indeed, I'd like antibody tests. But testing in a way not disclosed would strike me as a huge privacy violation and I'm sure it would be illegal here.
I'm sorry but I don't really care about privacy when it comes to me or my loved ones. Being alive means more. Why care about that? You think lives are less important than privacy? Oh come on. I will never agree to that. I almost died this month for real so yeah I know what is important. I was in hospital 3 days. My mouth and nose blue. They can test me all they want as long as we live.
That's a false choice.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
how could they possibly know that?
lol - it's MSN, that's an agenda-driven news story.
Back to the "being tested for antibodies..." Paperpudding, in the US blood is used for all kinds of testing without consent.
As far as T1D and his suggestion that more people should be tested - yes. But.
If reinfection and/or asymptomatic infection is possible, what's the point in testing everyone? There's no way to *actually* do comprehensive contact testing. Sure, they could catch some cases which I guess is better than none.
Then if reinfection is possible like they say, again what's the point? we just all need to be as careful as we can while science catches up.
That's what I'm saying. If someone doesn't know they are infected, they spread it around. If everyone is tested, those same people can stay home and not spread it.
ETA: Nothing to do with contact tracing.
I'm not making my point very well.
I don't think there will be 100% Required Testing. There aren't enough resources, the testing is too ambivalent, and people (like me) won't go for it.
So.
If someone does test positive, they and everyone who is in their household quarantine for 14 days.
Not everyone in the house will get the virus - or they won't all test positive. Then in 15 days they go out. One of them gets it at the gas station. They don't go get tested because they're asymptomatic and/or they just came out of quarantine and maybe aren't willing to do that again. Unless they DO get tested right then, on Day 15 because they magically "know" they've caught it, they're spreading it.
So, are you suggesting that every person get tested every two weeks?
And what about all those who had it in, say, March and April? We don't know whether they can or cannot get it again.
So every person in every country will need a weekly or bi-weekly test. That's never going to happen.
We are going to have to live with the flawed system we have.
Everyone would need a test every 2-4 weeks. If a positive result, self-quarantine until testing negative... even if no symptoms. If symptoms, you self-quarantine anyway. This decreases asymptomatic spread.
Just because you had a negative test yesterday doesn't mean you're not positive today. Testing every 2 to 4 weeks would, on average, allow every infected person to spread the virus for 1 to 2 weeks before being tested again.
People need to wear their dang masks and not congregate in crowds, especially inside.
Yes, testing everyone would only reduce some of the asymptomatic spread, but not all of it. In no way am I suggesting that expanding tests to that level could eliminate the need to wear masks and reduce social interaction to that which is absolutely necessary.
Interestingly enough, someone told me that Amazon employees are regularly tested. Also, have heard of the same thing for healthcare providers and for patients who are scheduled for a procedure. So it isn't just me coming up with a crazy idea...
Nurse here on a COVID unit. We are only being tested if we are symptomatic - and even then, we have to pay for it (its run through our hospital issued insurance, but there is a co-pay).
Oh, and they are telling all employees that contract it that there is NO WAY they caught it from working exclusively with COVID positive patients 😆😠.23 -
In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.6 -
What country are you in?
I'm in the US and would consider random tests beyond what was approved by me to be illegal, and of course charges for unapproved tests improper. But I understood the first question to be asking whether they would offer to do antibody tests (i.e, ask for approval), since they were desired.
Can I ask why you care? I wouldn't care less if more tests are done on me as long as it's not hurting me or my bank balance. Maybe I'm too easy going, not sure. As long as we get rid of the virus I don't mind what is done.
I'd approve it if asked -- indeed, I'd like antibody tests. But testing in a way not disclosed would strike me as a huge privacy violation and I'm sure it would be illegal here.
I'm sorry but I don't really care about privacy when it comes to me or my loved ones. Being alive means more. Why care about that? You think lives are less important than privacy? Oh come on. I will never agree to that. I almost died this month for real so yeah I know what is important. I was in hospital 3 days. My mouth and nose blue. They can test me all they want as long as we live.
I think that's not really the question.
She's said that she would agree to the test, that she would like to have the test. Most people would want the test (I think), and yeah, any decent person would agree to it.
I think the issue is that as a generality tests should not be done on our blood or bodies without our permission. There should be mechanisms to deal with it, if belligerant people object to a test that's needed for public health reasons, or even legal provisions that allow specific tests to be done without individual approval in a specific public health scenario (such as a pandemic).
The legal default should not be that any and all tests can be done without our knowledge or permission. That's the privacy issue. It's not just "privacy vs. lives". Should it be permissible to test without people's knowledge for pregnancy, drug use, markers of serious but not communicable diseases, inadequate nutrition, etc.? Effectively, it's a search of one's body without consent.
She has not said that she'd object to a legal requirement that her (and anyone's/everyone's) blood be tested for Covid in this situation. I, personally, wouldn't object to that. I object to "any lab or facility can do any test they want to on my blood, without my knowledge, just because they want to".
The point is that willy-nilly added blood tests, for whatever reason a facility or whoever things would be good, is not appropriate. We're not lab rats, to be randomly tested without our knowledge or any legal dictate that requires it.
Ok yes. Fair enough I agree. I'm sorry I just keep seeing thing like another poster said about "Give me liberty or give me Covid" and it blows me away. I can't agree with that. Sorry if my radar was off track this time and thanks for explaining.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
Thanks, that was helpful. I'm about to write a bit of a list too. Mostly also things like one more packet of this or that to keep things sterile if things get low in shops if we have another wave. Not so much to do with food.0 -
I live in Finland, and got tested for the virus in April. They asked me if I wanted to participate in a national research project about the virus, and gave me the consent forms as well as a questionnaire to fill out about all kinds of things (demographics like education, family status etc and risk factors like weight, smoking and drinking, pre-existing conditions etc.). I know they tested the blood samples for antibodies, that was the main point, but they probably did tons of other tests from those samples as well to research different aspects of the virus, how infectious it is, how the antibodies work, if there’s patterns for who gets symptoms and so on. I have no idea what exactly they tested in addition to antibodies, and I don’t care. The point is, they still asked for consent and I gave it.
In addition to the resource issue, in my experience taking the test from everyone regularly enough to be useful would not be possible for the simple reason that the test hurts. If it was just the moment of taking the test, fine. At least for me, the place up my nostril where they took the sample from hurt like hell continuously for two days. After the two days, it continued to feel sore if I blew my nose or something for a couple more days. Based on my experience, I’m not sure if taking the test weekly would allow for sufficient healing overtime, even if taken from alternate nostrils and given two weeks per side to heal.
Even with the pain, I would happily go get tested again if a healthcare professional thought I should. Just not weekly, I’d rather self-quarantine.
There's a version of the test that's just a cheek swab, not the through-the-nose-brain-swab.
And much like getting blood drawn, the nostril swab experience depends a lot on the person doing the swabbing and the person being tested. Some people say they hardly feel a thing and others describe it more like you do.
Hopefully the cheek swab version catches on
Ohh yes, cheek swab I could do weekly or even daily if public health officials asked.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
We still can’t get the things you mentioned in stores. Hand wipes, disinfectant, rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer (except dodgy stuff made in small batches with aloe which I am allergic to), vitamin D, haven’t seen any of these in stores since before March. TP, tissues, soap, and other cleaning products are hit and miss if we settle for brands we don’t ordinarily use.
Of course, we also had three new hundred cases in my city just yesterday.8 -
Thanks for that well written post about the bar/restaurant and the spike, @AnnPT77
Florida and Texas and nine more other states rolled back their openings after similar events, I'm sure everyone heard.
It's what we've been saying will happen, though. Loosening and tightening of the orders. People being cavalier.
There is still no way in Hades I'm eating from a restaurant. I'm not even all that good at making everything in my own little world safe, and I care about me. Strangers are just not going to have my safety in mind.
@Buttermello
I am surprised you are having to pay co-pays for testing and work in healthcare. That's wrong. Prayers for your safety and that of your coworkers and family.10 -
In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
Our garage drink/beer refrigerator broke. Have been looking around for a Craigslist used one, have changed our minds and going to bite the bullet and get a new one for reliable extra storage of refrigerated/frozen items if needed.5 -
@kshama2001 Your thread will be 4 months old and it's a good read.
I'm going to head UP the highway in a day or so. There's company blowing in by plane and motorhomes. They'll have to figure things out on their own. I asked them not to come but it's all about their vacation. They seriously do not give two horsesheets about us. They've been traveling all over the place. If your phone's not ringing it's me. Things will be locked up tight. Neighbors will come over and take care of watering and critters. I'll have to drive 100's of miles in a day's time to reach a cabin out in the woods by a big river. My coolers will be packed with GrabNGo foods.
I've been thinking about all of the uzhe terms used for weight loss. I need a lifestyle change. Just what the doctor ordered but hails bells we didn't sign up for this one. Now we need a powerful medicine to compensate for the intensive lifestyle change.
For any lifestyle change to be meaningful and effective, people have to want to continue them for the rest of their lives. It's probably a good thing that they don't really know what they're signing up for. So long now.14 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.9 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
Our garage drink/beer refrigerator broke. Have been looking around for a Craigslist used one, have changed our minds and going to bite the bullet and get a new one for reliable extra storage of refrigerated/frozen items if needed.
I wish I could get a second freezer but I live in a small apartment. So I don't have the space for one. Plus the fridge/freezer I have are not that big. I really need to clean out what I have and plan around it so I have room for the stuff I use the most.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
What country are you in?
I'm in the US and would consider random tests beyond what was approved by me to be illegal, and of course charges for unapproved tests improper. But I understood the first question to be asking whether they would offer to do antibody tests (i.e, ask for approval), since they were desired.
Can I ask why you care? I wouldn't care less if more tests are done on me as long as it's not hurting me or my bank balance. Maybe I'm too easy going, not sure. As long as we get rid of the virus I don't mind what is done.
I'd approve it if asked -- indeed, I'd like antibody tests. But testing in a way not disclosed would strike me as a huge privacy violation and I'm sure it would be illegal here.
I'm sorry but I don't really care about privacy when it comes to me or my loved ones. Being alive means more. Why care about that? You think lives are less important than privacy? Oh come on. I will never agree to that. I almost died this month for real so yeah I know what is important. I was in hospital 3 days. My mouth and nose blue. They can test me all they want as long as we live.
That's a false choice.
It really is. I find it extremely puzzling that pointing that out racks up the disagrees.
Again, the scenario: someone comes in to have a blood test for something else. Someone speculates that they might do a COVID antibodies test without asking (and then charge extra for it). I said that seemed unlikely, as it probably would not be legal, but that they would ask if you wanted the test or disclose they would include that test. The context of all this was that the original person HOPED they would do the test and that they would get the results.
Also, outside of a broad study to understand spread better, there's not really a therapeutic purpose for an antibodies test. That merely tells us if you've had the virus (maybe, they supposedly aren't that accurate yet). It doesn't tell you if you are immune or for how long, and it's not the same thing as a test to see if you currently have the virus. I'd like to have one and plan to give blood soon in part to get one, but I'm sure my insurance wouldn't cover it since my insurance covers only treatments relevant to health care, and that wouldn't be.
Therefore, I still find the jump from me saying "of course they would/should/must tell you that they are doing the test" to "expecting disclosure will lead to deaths so you don't care about more people dying!" extremely puzzling.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
When I first started stocking up in March, it was under the model of "being stuck at home for two weeks with no access to the outside world" - something that didn't happen; I've used various delivery services, was not quarantined, and did also go food shopping.
I did buy TP early and extra, and that proved to be wise. Later on, I bought extra soap, shampoo, and iron supplements (I'm anemic.)
Regarding perishables, whenever I heard other states reporting shortages of X, or of a predicted shortage of X, I bought a little extra.
My experience was pretty much the same as Lynn's - if I was willing to be flexible, there wasn't really an issue. Some store were out of eggs, but others were not. My favorite brand of flour was not available, but others were. Yeast was in short supply, but I had enough to get by, and several back up options. I bought chicken when I knew of upcoming shortages, and when the shelves were bare I had some in my freezer. (I normally stock up on meat when it is on sale anyway, so while my timing was different, my quantity was not.)
When I see canned tuna on sale I'll stock up. Normally it's on sale at Shaw's once or twice per month, but I haven't seen a sale in quite some time. So my stocking up would be due to price sensitivity, rather than anticipated shortages. I've also noticed that Whole Foods has not had sales for red meat in quite some time. Also, WF has not carried their flour or spaghetti in perhaps months.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »seem.
The burning of a trailer of horses by protesters has changed the minds of many in middle USA and more and more citizens are getting stocked up to meet force with a greater force. That may not work out well so we need to get prepped with a good stock of food due to violence spreading the virus in an uncontrollable manner.
There is no evidence of that https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/08/facebook-posts/no-evidence-fire-or-burned-horses-after-truck-driv/1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
I'm thinking now might be a better time to do Christmas shopping. I'm joking, kind of.
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Egads. So dh and I went to our favorite local furniture store this a.m., in search of a kitchen table. Small town, local store, very conscientious ads clarifying what the owner requests shoppers do to stay safe(even to the point of offering to make appointments during off hours if preferred). You walk in the front door, there's a table offering disposable masks, gloves, hand sanitizer, a sign in book, and a sign that gives all the standard advice about distancing, etc. and asks you to wait for someone to assist you. Very cool indeed.
The owner comes and greets us, wearing his mask, directs us to where we want to be, and as we're looking at kitchen tables, in walks a family of 5, including a couple small children, no masks, no social distancing whatsoever.
A small town just over the border from us, 20 minutes away, has been seeing a LOT of travelers coming in and many of their shops require their shoppers wear masks. No mask-no service. The newspaper says our 2 small states are starting to gain in numbers, not much(Thankful we're pretty rural areas) BUT all it takes is one, right? And with tourists evidently still choosing to travel(especially without masks))who knows what they're bringing in from where???
With all the reopening and people seemingly throwing caution to the wind, WTH did everybody expect to have happen to Covid-19?? It sure wasn't going to run away in fear. And here we will be, once again(did we ever leave?)stressed to the max, deaths pinballing all over the place, etc., etc. It frustrates me and saddens me, not to mention makes me angry that we're all going to be back at square 1 after trying so hard for so long to do what's right for ourselves and everyone else.
Reopening-good idea
Following safety precautions-excellent idea
Ignoring and being in denial-dumb dumb dumb
Get real and think.16 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
I'm thinking now might be a better time to do Christmas shopping. I'm joking, kind of.
I was thinking today that this year Xmas gifts will be a check or gift cards that can be bought on line. I am not venturing out to the stores at my age, with all the crazy holiday crowd until there is a vaccine in place. I am sure that my family will be happy with my decision.
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corinasue1143 wrote: »
From the article:
"The truck and trailer caught fire around 3:15 a.m. Sunday, according to Sallee Horse Vans owner Nicole Pieratt, who said an investigation into the cause of the incident is ongoing with New Jersey State Police. . . .
Multiple reports said the horse van was traveling north on the New Jersey Turnpike and struck a concrete divider."
Nothing mentioned about protestors causing this. I looked up several other articles about the incident; none of them mention any such thing, but talk about it being caused by a crash, consistent with the above.
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Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.15 -
gradchica27 wrote: »...I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
Wait, wut? What kinda gym do u go to? Where do I sign? 🥂🍾🍷🍸🍹🍫5 -
gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
I’m sorry you won’t get to see them. As a diabetic, though, the news for obese diabetics is terrifying - I was reading a study specifically on diabetic risk factors, type 1 vs type 2 and whether or not glucose control has an effect. A type 2 with poor glucose control who gets covid-19 has 70 times the risk of death of a non-diabetic. It’s not so bad for well controlled diabetics - only 11 times the risk. That’s not 11% but 11 times. Basically if you are older, obese, and diabetic you won’t live through this. It’s only sane to live in fear at this point, especially when the Memphis area is saying more than half of current transmissions are coming from an unknown source, because it’s so widespread in the community. As for bathrooms, the virus is found in feces and aerosolized by toilet flushing, and most public toilets have no lid.
Pray we get a vaccine soon, and that a vaccine is even possible, because I don’t see how any of us in a vulnerable class are going to get back to normal without one.11 -
You do realize that New Jersey and Tulsa are not near each other?corinasue1143 wrote: »
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
how could they possibly know that?
It's a poll. 89% of respondents said they had worn a mask in public in the last week. I'm skeptical.
Yeah, me too from what I'm seeing, more like 30%. Some people are protecting their necks and chins with a mask, not their nose and mouth though.1
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