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Theoldguy1 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Just curious. Why were barber shops among the first to open here, among the last in other states? Did our governor need a haircut and your governor has a private barber?
Just curious. Why do people need barbershops? I cut my own hair for 5 years, and my wife continued for the next 32 years after that. She never stopped during the lockdown.
Perhaps because they don't have and don't want to develop that skill set or just don't want to do it? I mean do you change the oil in you vehicles, do your own taxes, lawn care, home repairs, etc.? I'm pretty sure there is some service you are paying for that others not specifically trained to perform that function are doing just like you are cutting your own hair.
The difference is, all of those things can be performed with social distancing. I had my A/C serviced at the end of April...I didn't have to have any close personal contact with the guys that serviced my units. I had the pool company come out in late March to do the season open...again, no issue social distancing here and it didn't require any close personal contact. I had my car serviced a couple weeks ago...dropped the keys off in a box and came back several hours later to pick the car up...wiped everything down with clorox wipes and was on my way.
Getting your hair cut requires close personal contact with someone who is having close personal contact with a ton of people throughout the day...using combs and clippers that have been used on numerous people throughout the day...wearing a cape that has been worn by many people throughout the day. Completely different scenario IMO than getting your lawn care done or car serviced. I'm actually giving my kids a cut this afternooon...we'll see how it goes, but worst case scenario it looks like crap and it grows back...nobody is going to know either way since we can't go anywhere.13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
That plus others not doing what they can affects many other people (I can avoid them, but many others cannot). And to the extent their behavior leads to constantly increasing case numbers, that's longer I have to be staying at home (I do go out for exercise and necessities, of course). So even though I have it pretty good (I can work at home, I live in a house with a back yard, I have access to everything I need), I strongly dislike living this way and if I let myself think about it my rage at some of the people doing the irresponsible partying (giant house parties in some neighborhoods here) and and other unnecessary large gatherings is real.
I think that's why my Nextdoor is now endless fights between people about whether one must wear a mask when outside (inside outside your own home is required) or whether it's perfectly possible to distance 6 ft if careful/people are overreacting -- people feel powerless and frustrated and so want to feel like they are doing something to make this end.4 -
I'm just concerned about the rest of my family, and how typical family celebrations will be handled going forward. It's hard to imagine only seeing them when it's nice enough to sit outside at an appropriate distance. And if they decide to throw caution to the wind, do I decline Thanksgiving? Do I go since I'm being careful and their the ones I'm worried about anyway? <sigh>
Yeah, this too. My dad (who is 76) was supposed to come to visit me this year. I also was thinking about visiting him (he lives in WA and I'm in IL). We haven't seen each other for various reasons for over a year, and my mother died 3 years ago (my dad is remarried). Even though he's in good health, I am worried about when I will be able to see him again.
He wanted to come here (right when cases were really starting to spike, and requiring a drive across the country). He thought it was perfectly safe, my sister and I (especially my sister) really did not, and we had to convince him not to come, which hurt his feelings. Partly as an outcome of that (and some things said during one of the conversations between my sister and him), I am also worried their relationship (which was somewhat iffy already) will be really seriously damaged. I'm pretty comfortable my dad will be okay (he's lucky in where he lives and his wife is sensible), but I'd really like to be able to see him in person.8 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »@janejellyroll - if it sounded like it, I didn't mean to minimize the impact that some will have on all of us. It's just, at this point, it's looking like the powers that be don't care or it's inconvenient to THEM.
I heard something yesterday that 30% of the population in the US, even if there's a vaccine, are so ignorant they won't take it. So I guess what I'm saying is Darwism is in full display right now in front of our very eyes. It will play out and the stupid are putting themselves (and the rest of us) at risk.
I didn't feel like you were minimizing it at all. It's just the unfortunate reality.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
Huh, here in my state of Massachusetts you are not allowed in stores without some sort of face covering. Municipalities made this an order some time ago and now it is state-wide.
https://www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-public
...Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible. This applies to both indoor and outdoor spaces....
Minnesota isn't requiring masks. Anecdotally, I would say about 40%ish of the people I see when I go out are wearing them.1 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
Huh, here in my state of Massachusetts you are not allowed in stores without some sort of face covering. Municipalities made this an order some time ago and now it is state-wide.
https://www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-public
...Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible. This applies to both indoor and outdoor spaces....
But who is enforcing that? Store employees are not paid enough to act as security guards and confront angry customers who don't follow the rules. We have the same rule here in Illinois, but people can just walk right past the signs and no one's going to stop them.
It seems NM is playing more on peer pressure where masks are concerned. The only current mandate is that employees of open establishments must wear a mask, and that is of this past Monday.
I've seen a slow compulsory progression towards wearing masks when out shopping, etc since the end of March/early April. Initially, you were the weirdo if you were out wearing a mask or, eeww...you must be infected or have something else going on. I think those tides have turned to wear the non mask wearers are now getting the dirty looks. Even since Monday where employees have been mandated, I've seen an uptick in gen pop wearing masks.
Some stores are also now making it mandatory for customers to wear a mask if they want to enter and I'm sure there will be more that follow.5 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
Huh, here in my state of Massachusetts you are not allowed in stores without some sort of face covering. Municipalities made this an order some time ago and now it is state-wide.
https://www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-public
...Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible. This applies to both indoor and outdoor spaces....
But who is enforcing that? Store employees are not paid enough to act as security guards and confront angry customers who don't follow the rules. We have the same rule here in Illinois, but people can just walk right past the signs and no one's going to stop them.
Some stores are doing a better job than others (big box stores like Home Depot and also Whole Foods were doing a good job from what I saw early on, since they have sufficient employees to have people devoted to monitoring lines and checking for masks). I haven't been to a store where people weren't all wearing masks (I am sure that's not true in many neighborhoods, though, or throughout the burbs) since the order went into effect, but there are plenty of other rules I've seen not enforced. I tried my grocery (regular supermarket but not WF or Jewel), and while people were wearing masks and they had someone trying to monitor at the entrance, it was clear more people were going in than were supposed to (everyone was supposed to take a cart to limit it and some were just ignoring that, so not getting counted), and then while most were trying to social distance and follow the rules about the one-way aisles (with arrows), others were just ignoring the arrows and brushing right by you, and I'm not sure how that's supposed to be enforced (rule-breaking irritates me in normal circumstances, so I was getting angry).
I decided not to go back to that store again. I had a much better experience with the little local grocery store I prefer anyway, and waiting in line at WF would even be preferable.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
Huh, here in my state of Massachusetts you are not allowed in stores without some sort of face covering. Municipalities made this an order some time ago and now it is state-wide.
https://www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-public
...Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible. This applies to both indoor and outdoor spaces....
Minnesota isn't requiring masks. Anecdotally, I would say about 40%ish of the people I see when I go out are wearing them.
We only require them if you can't social distance 6 ft, but they are required in stores (and many stores are very serious about it). So currently everyone I've seen in stores are wearing them, but fewer (although still a strong majority) outside. But this is just for around where I live; it's different elsewhere.
And I've heard of various store owners in states that do require them saying they won't require it also, so just issuing an order doesn't work without cooperation, of course.
(I think I can social distance well enough outside, but I feel social stigma if I don't wear a mask so I do. I get why people don't want to wear them when running or just walking around in a not so populated area. I don't get why some seem to be so opposed to wearing them in indoor spaces where there are lots of other people.)2 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
Huh, here in my state of Massachusetts you are not allowed in stores without some sort of face covering. Municipalities made this an order some time ago and now it is state-wide.
https://www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-public
...Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible. This applies to both indoor and outdoor spaces....
But who is enforcing that? Store employees are not paid enough to act as security guards and confront angry customers who don't follow the rules. We have the same rule here in Illinois, but people can just walk right past the signs and no one's going to stop them.cwolfman13 wrote: »It seems NM is playing more on peer pressure where masks are concerned. The only current mandate is that employees of open establishments must wear a mask, and that is of this past Monday.
I've seen a slow compulsory progression towards wearing masks when out shopping, etc since the end of March/early April. Initially, you were the weirdo if you were out wearing a mask or, eeww...you must be infected or have something else going on. I think those tides have turned to wear the non mask wearers are now getting the dirty looks. Even since Monday where employees have been mandated, I've seen an uptick in gen pop wearing masks.
Some stores are also now making it mandatory for customers to wear a mask if they want to enter and I'm sure there will be more that follow.
I too have seen that slow uptick in mask usage. Last few weeks it's been 100% at grocery stores and Lowes.
Our supermarkets are limited to 20% of capacity. There are store employees counting and letting people in. I'm sure they would stop anyone trying to enter without a mask.
My OH forgot to pull up his bandana when he went in to pick up food, the employee reminded him, and he complied.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
Huh, here in my state of Massachusetts you are not allowed in stores without some sort of face covering. Municipalities made this an order some time ago and now it is state-wide.
https://www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-public
...Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible. This applies to both indoor and outdoor spaces....
Minnesota isn't requiring masks. Anecdotally, I would say about 40%ish of the people I see when I go out are wearing them.
Michigan's current executive order says this:Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, any individual able to medically tolerate a face covering must wear a covering over his or her nose and mouth—such as a homemade mask, scarf, bandana, or handkerchief—when in any enclosed public space.
The stores have the signs up. Compliance level, on my last trip (to Costco, a local health-food-ish grocery, Whole Foods)?
Among customers, not hugely much better than what you're reporting, counting the number of people who had the masks but on their chin or pushed all the way down while they were shopping. (I'd say worse at Costco than the other two, but not great anywhere. Of course, I have no idea who is not "able to medically tolerate", and I'm not naive enough to believe that all such conditions would be visually obvious to a stranger . . . but I'm pretty sure there aren't that many people in gen pop with breathing troubles (I didn't go at senior hours).
I'm pretty sure the stores were checking at the door, but I don't really expect every underpaid shelf-stocker to confront large numbers of shoppers while also trying to do their (essential, risky) jobs.
SMH.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
Huh, here in my state of Massachusetts you are not allowed in stores without some sort of face covering. Municipalities made this an order some time ago and now it is state-wide.
https://www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-public
...Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible. This applies to both indoor and outdoor spaces....
Minnesota isn't requiring masks. Anecdotally, I would say about 40%ish of the people I see when I go out are wearing them.
Michigan's current executive order says this:Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, any individual able to medically tolerate a face covering must wear a covering over his or her nose and mouth—such as a homemade mask, scarf, bandana, or handkerchief—when in any enclosed public space.
The stores have the signs up. Compliance level, on my last trip (to Costco, a local health-food-ish grocery, Whole Foods)?
Among customers, not hugely much better than what you're reporting, counting the number of people who had the masks but on their chin or pushed all the way down while they were shopping. (I'd say worse at Costco than the other two, but not great anywhere. Of course, I have no idea who is not "able to medically tolerate", and I'm not naive enough to believe that all such conditions would be visually obvious to a stranger . . . but I'm pretty sure there aren't that many people in gen pop with breathing troubles (I didn't go at senior hours).
I'm pretty sure the stores were checking at the door, but I don't really expect every underpaid shelf-stocker to confront large numbers of shoppers while also trying to do their (essential, risky) jobs.
SMH.
And given what we're hearing in the news about people being shot or having their arms broken, I don't think we can expect to see many employees speaking up. I mean, these are rare acts of violence but they're scaring me and I'm just someone working at home, I'm not an essential worker having to deal with any of this.9 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I understand that the world economy is seriously at risk. What I can’t understand is people that are willing to risk their lives, loved ones lives, friends lives, and random strangers lives, because of reckless/selfish behavior. Please explain the justification. Economies can, and will be rebuilt.
Cynically, I'd say we're always collectively willing to risk lives, for economic benefits: There are always ways we could improve job safety, at relatively modest cost increments, and we don't make sure it happens. People are exposed to dangerous substances without proper protection, work with dangerous equipment without proper training or safety measures, suffer illness and early death from local environmental conditions related to industries, and more. It's usually all diffuse, maybe individually small causes, spread over longer time periods, possibly invisible except statistically. The developed countries, in significant ways, export risks to less developed and more desperate (and/or irresponsibly run) countries, to enable our comfortable lives at lower cost.
Lots of us, as individuals (not accusing you or me, BTW) are also routinely willing to risk strangers' lives in order to make it to an appointment 5 minutes earlier by speeding and whipping in and out of traffic unsafely; some do things like drive drunk, or intentionally cut close to bicyclist on the roads because they think it's funny or that the cyclists don't deserve to use the roads. There are lots of those kinds of examples, as well. At the individual level, I suspect there's a good bit of overlap in those behaviors, i.e., that people who are irresponsible, selfish, inconsiderate and rude in one way, are more likely to be irresponsible, selfish, inconsiderate and rude in others.
There isn't justification for risking lives, and the current case is larger numbers, all at once in a compressed time period. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying the scale and timing are different, but it's a larger instance of a routine phenomenon.12 -
I also live in Michigan (Oakland County), and was just completely frustrated yesterday by the number of people I saw out not taking precautions despite the recommendations and store signage. Although customers in my local grocery store mostly wore masks and many people do seem to be trying, I saw many others going about without masks and without any distancing.
I’m a healthcare worker at a hospital and I was just so disappointed and frustrated with the lack of precautions. I just spent the last 2 months working through a nightmare and trying desperately not to bring it home to my family. Nevertheless, I understand the idea that we can’t shut down indefinitely. Though I wish the openings were more systematic and I personally plan to continue sheltering in place as much as possible, I get the need to resume more work and activities. But do it in a way that at least attempts to embrace precautions. Choosing to not use masks and distancing should not be put forth as some symbol of freedom and personal strength. These choices have real costs and healthcare workers (and the greater population) will continue to pay it.15 -
kshama2001 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Just curious. Why were barber shops among the first to open here, among the last in other states? Did our governor need a haircut and your governor has a private barber?
What state are you in? If Georgia, or your state's reopening guidelines are similar to GA, I can PM you something that I can't post here lest it be deemed too political.
My OH taught himself to trim his hair, and he did a great job on my ends and bangs. I'm about ready to find some youtube videos and let him learn how to cut layers. If it doesn't work out, I'll be in a ponytail all summer
I learned how to cut my hair on YouTube. Hubby cuts his own with a flowbie.4 -
We've woken up this morning to a new level of freedom (I'm in New Zealand) - at midnight we went to "alert level 2"
Level 4 was full lockdown - supermarkets, pharmacies and medical centres open with restrictions, and a few other essential services were running. People had to stay home, no travel, only contact with those in your home (or your "bubble")
Level 3 was a slight easing - cafes and restaurants opened for takeaway only. Stores opening for click and collect or delivery services. Travelling within your region was okay.
Level 2 we now have restaurants open for table service again - groups of 10 or less. Shops can open, social distancing and hygiene measures in place. School will reopen on Monday. We can now travel again - looking forward to visiting my mum who is in another region and has been alone for 7 weeks! I have been talking to her lots, and ordering her groceries for delivery as she's in an at-risk group and taking all precautions.
There are still restrictions on gatherings, so the kids' extra-curricular activities won't be starting face-to-face just yet. That will be reviewed in two weeks as we see how the case numbers progress.
(Those descriptions of levels are not complete lists, just a few things relevant to me)
Funny how today, for me, is actually just the same. I guess it will help when the kids head back to school next week, but I will continue to work from home. I am looking forward to taking the dog for a walk as we'd been requested to keep dogs on leash for all walks for level 3&4, so it'll be great to let her off at the beach or river for a run - except I think everyone else in town will probably have the same idea, and my dog hates crowds.
My daughter is super excited to see her best friend today.
Fingers crossed (and hands washed) that our numbers stay low going forward.16 -
Flattening the curve is needed to keep the rate of new infections lower than the rate of recoveries. Less new infections give more time for medical personnel to devote care to those already sick and prevent deaths.
Yes, I assume almost everyone knows that by now and that was not the question. The rate of new infections can exceed the rate of recovery even after the initial stage, if people aren't taking adequate precautions. People don't seem to understand that.
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kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm in AZ and just saw a projection yesterday (I think mainly because we're on a rapid upward trajectory and have so many older people) that we will have an increase in deaths of 5000%. I think we're at 500 deaths now and they are predicting well over 5000 more.
Yet masks aren't required and restaurants opened over the weekend. People were standing in line at haircutting places, nail salons and spas. Most all didn't have masks.
I'm at the point now where if people want to die, you can't help them. I feel sorry that they have minimized the risk, ignored the science and now can't wait to "be free". I just don't think what will happen to them is as fun as they anticipate.
We will continue to shelter in place for the most part, eat at home (and I'm fortunate enough to have a career where I don't step out of the house).
The only ones I feel sorry for is the first responders and family members of those that continue to put everyone at risk for their "civil liberties".
The thing that frustrates me about this is that *we all* have to live with these people who don't care if they live or die (or act as if they don't). I can be doing everything I can, but I still have to leave the house for groceries sometimes and when I do I'm encountering these people who are not taking any precautions. Nothing is going to protect me from that. That's what is frustrating. If these people could live in their own bubble, I wouldn't be as frustrated. They don't. We have to live alongside them.
Huh, here in my state of Massachusetts you are not allowed in stores without some sort of face covering. Municipalities made this an order some time ago and now it is state-wide.
https://www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-public
...Governor Baker has issued an Order effective Wednesday, May 6 requiring face masks or cloth face coverings in public places where social distancing is not possible. This applies to both indoor and outdoor spaces....
IL has this too. Not enforced and hard to. In many cases here the stores are limiting the number of people that can enter so keeping 6 ft is possible. I went in a Bass Pro Shop and guy walked in with 3 kids, none of the 4 had masks right past 2 employees standing at the door.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Just curious. Why were barber shops among the first to open here, among the last in other states? Did our governor need a haircut and your governor has a private barber?
Just curious. Why do people need barbershops? I cut my own hair for 5 years, and my wife continued for the next 32 years after that. She never stopped during the lockdown.
Perhaps because they don't have and don't want to develop that skill set or just don't want to do it? I mean do you change the oil in you vehicles, do your own taxes, lawn care, home repairs, etc.? I'm pretty sure there is some service you are paying for that others not specifically trained to perform that function are doing just like you are cutting your own hair.
I think the point of this post was more to address the 'But who needs barbers, I can do it myself' of the post it responded to.
and saying Yes you can do it yourself - other people can do other things themselves but dont go round saying why do you need accountants, lawn mower services etc, you could just do it yourself.
It wasnt a comment on the safety or neccesity or social distancing possibilities of each service - just a response to the 'I can do it myself, why doesnt everyone else' tone of the responded to post.
That's how it came across to me anyway.
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Our state Supreme Court just struck down the governor's stay at home order. This means any business or restaurant can open up immediately.6
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