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I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.9
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moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.15 -
We (Finland) just got some updated government decisions. For a week or two the rule was that if a child gets flu symptoms, they must stay home until no longer symptomatic AND get a negative covid-19 test result before returning to school or daycare. Seasonal flus and colds are just starting to make their rounds, and the average child here gets two regular flu/cold infections per semester. This rule lead to huge issues: not enough testing capacity to deal with the masses of children with regular colds and the delays leading to even weeklong waits even if the child no longer has symptoms, children missing their education because schools are doing in-person learning and no online learning is available, and parents having to miss work to take care of kids at home. Some pediatricians even said the test rule could be considered child abuse as the tests were a medically unnecessary procedure that caused extra pain for children.
Now the rule was eased, testing is no longer required from kids with regular flu/cold symptoms unless there’s confirmed exposure to someone who had it or they’ve been traveling within the last two weeks. This makes a lot more sense and hopefully eases the pressure on public healthcare testing capacity, as well as the mental and financial burden on parents.5 -
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
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moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄15 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
I am not longer in contact with some of them. Maybe after this nightmare is over they will comeback to their senses, but in the mean time I just stay quite and so far they have been doing the same. I think that since neither of us want to break the friendship, we all understand that we better stay in our own corners.
The interesting thing is that we always knew about our different ideas, but it never made a difference and it wasn't a concern either. But in the last year, and specially after COVID, things dramatically changed.10 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
Yeah I expect more reports on this in the coming months, but saw this yesterday..
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/health/covid-19-reinfection-hong-kong-study/index.html4 -
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I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
It’s really not a surprising attitude, considering how it’s been politicized since the beginning. The indications, at this point, show how spread can be somewhat contained. Top health care officials are in a position to be knowledgeable. Their advice needs to be followed. Letting it run it’s course, seems cruel. A lot more people would be sick. More would die. What’s going on at universities and colleges, across the US, is proof that, close contact, without proper, simple precautions, doesn’t work.5 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
I am not longer in contact with some of them. Maybe after this nightmare is over they will comeback to their senses, but in the mean time I just stay quite and so far they have been doing the same. I think that since neither of us want to break the friendship, we all understand that we better stay in our own corners.
The interesting thing is that we always knew about our different ideas, but it never made a difference and it wasn't a concern either. But in the last year, and specially after COVID, things dramatically changed.
I may be different... I don't actually have any friends IRL that live close enough to see in person anyway without at least 5 hrs. drive. Mostly I stay in touch with people on social media, where I block anyone who is pig-headed and ridiculous about opposing views. I still have some friends with very different opinions, but they are reasonable even when we disagree. That hasn't changed with Covid. It is similar with family... I haven't talked to some family for years and may never again.5 -
The little bit I have gathered is they think an earlier death for some demographics would be better than months of solitude (especially in nursing home situations) which is a hard one for me to justify... who makes the final call on who lives and who dies? And not everyone feels that way. That instead of regulations for all it should just be that sick people stay home. It would be nice if it worked that way, but it’s far more complicated than that with the fact that you are contagious before symptoms, a pretty sudden onset, varying degrees of symptoms (with a good chunk of people being asymptomatic), and people being selfish who don’t want to stay home even when sick. And now them finding you don’t necessarily have immunity. They referenced South Dakota as being a good example, but that’s apples to oranges compared to more densely populated areas.missysippy930 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
It’s really not a surprising attitude, considering how it’s been politicized since the beginning. The indications, at this point, show how spread can be somewhat contained. Top health care officials are in a position to be knowledgeable. Their advice needs to be followed. Letting it run it’s course, seems cruel. A lot more people would be sick. More would die. What’s going on at universities and colleges, across the US, is proof that, close contact, without proper, simple precautions, doesn’t work.
It’s hard to be so divided, I have only recently become closer friends with them (actually due to COVID, that’s when we started meeting to walk, to get out of the house) and their thoughts and beliefs have changed drastically since the beginning.
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There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.12 -
Sturgis is exactly an example of my last post. It boggles my mind what people don’t get about social distancing, mask wearing, and good hygiene habits (ie: hand washing, coughing into your elbow. As Mike said above, it’s very aggravating 😡8
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MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.
How do you know that they are buying coffee only to avoid wearing a mask exactly? We normally order our groceries these days (as a cost and time saving measure, not Covid related, we just spend way less when we can see our total as we go) but my Kroger has a Starbucks and I almost always do/would get a coffee to drink as we shopped normally. And judging by the line that's always been the case. It really seems like these days people are always ready to believe the worst about other people and it makes me sad.4 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
I am not longer in contact with some of them. Maybe after this nightmare is over they will comeback to their senses, but in the mean time I just stay quite and so far they have been doing the same. I think that since neither of us want to break the friendship, we all understand that we better stay in our own corners.
The interesting thing is that we always knew about our different ideas, but it never made a difference and it wasn't a concern either. But in the last year, and specially after COVID, things dramatically changed.
That is the exact thing going on with my "friends." I pretty much don't exist since I'm the odd one out. The other 2 are going on with their lives. They don't understand that people like me and my family are stuck at home with very limited ability to leave due to their decisions.
Our differences complimented one another and their decisions really only affected their own families. Now they are affecting my family. I don't like it. But I keep my mouth shut, keep the peace, make sure to follow the guidelines for the good of EVERYONE even though I'm getting very little reciprocation locally, and wait.13 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.
How do you know that they are buying coffee only to avoid wearing a mask exactly? We normally order our groceries these days (as a cost and time saving measure, not Covid related, we just spend way less when we can see our total as we go) but my Kroger has a Starbucks and I almost always do/would get a coffee to drink as we shopped normally. And judging by the line that's always been the case. It really seems like these days people are always ready to believe the worst about other people and it makes me sad.
Not my conversation, but I feel the irritation with these people. Their decisions and behaviors are messing things up for everyone. Get a coffee, and since you need to sip it, you don't wear a mask, and are breathing (possibly) the COVID breath (that you don't know you have but should assume you have) all over as you walk all over the store, prolonging this virus's effects on our country on and on and on. You can catch this virus from a grocery store visit. You can catch viruses from groceries. My daughter did. Some of us want this over with, or at least down to a reasonable level so those who have vulnerable relatives can live our lives, too, and we are exasperated by deliberate avoidance of following guidelines that you'd only not know about if you'd been under a rock this entire year. I love me some coffee. However, I'd wait until I was about to exit after I shopped to get one so I could keep my mask on in public. But then I'm conscientious and determined to be socially responsible and care about others.
Getting a coffee to sip while you walkabout and shop during a PANDEMIC is a deliberate choice to not wear a mask. I imagine Mike sees these people go on to walk through the store with no mask on. Sounds like the exact garbage behavior we are seeing here in TN. We all know how masks should be worn by now and why we should wear them. We see peekaboo noses everywhere or very safe chins or no mask at all: these actions all feel like direct, conscious defiance of the guidelines. Mike and I are just calling a duck a duck.
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MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.
How do you know that they are buying coffee only to avoid wearing a mask exactly? We normally order our groceries these days (as a cost and time saving measure, not Covid related, we just spend way less when we can see our total as we go) but my Kroger has a Starbucks and I almost always do/would get a coffee to drink as we shopped normally. And judging by the line that's always been the case. It really seems like these days people are always ready to believe the worst about other people and it makes me sad.
Make it where, you get a coffee, you leave. You can get one on your way out. Drinking coffee for an hour in a crowded grocery store defeats the entire purpose of the mask ordinance.21 -
baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.
How do you know that they are buying coffee only to avoid wearing a mask exactly? We normally order our groceries these days (as a cost and time saving measure, not Covid related, we just spend way less when we can see our total as we go) but my Kroger has a Starbucks and I almost always do/would get a coffee to drink as we shopped normally. And judging by the line that's always been the case. It really seems like these days people are always ready to believe the worst about other people and it makes me sad.
Not my conversation, but I feel the irritation with these people. Their decisions and behaviors are messing things up for everyone. Get a coffee, and since you need to sip it, you don't wear a mask, and are breathing (possibly) the COVID breath (that you don't know you have but should assume you have) all over as you walk all over the store, prolonging this virus's effects on our country on and on and on. You can catch this virus from a grocery store visit. You can catch viruses from groceries. My daughter did. Some of us want this over with, or at least down to a reasonable level so those who have vulnerable relatives can live our lives, too, and we are exasperated by deliberate avoidance of following guidelines that you'd only not know about if you'd been under a rock this entire year. I love me some coffee. However, I'd wait until I was about to exit after I shopped to get one so I could keep my mask on in public. But then I'm conscientious and determined to be socially responsible and care about others.
Getting a coffee to sip while you walkabout and shop during a PANDEMIC is a deliberate choice to not wear a mask. I imagine Mike sees these people go on to walk through the store with no mask on. Sounds like the exact garbage behavior we are seeing here in TN. We all know how masks should be worn by now and why we should wear them. We see peekaboo noses everywhere or very safe chins or no mask at all: these actions all feel like direct, conscious defiance of the guidelines. Mike and I are just calling a duck a duck.
This! Potentially, one can maybe argue they need to remove their mask temporarily take each sip, but I bet they are holding a coffee mask-less without drinking it most of the time.9 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.
How do you know that they are buying coffee only to avoid wearing a mask exactly? We normally order our groceries these days (as a cost and time saving measure, not Covid related, we just spend way less when we can see our total as we go) but my Kroger has a Starbucks and I almost always do/would get a coffee to drink as we shopped normally. And judging by the line that's always been the case. It really seems like these days people are always ready to believe the worst about other people and it makes me sad.
Make it where, you get a coffee, you leave. You can get one on your way out. Drinking coffee for an hour in a crowded grocery store defeats the entire purpose of the mask ordinance.
They have Starbucks in Target. Even
pre-Covid, I often get my favorite, but always have brought it home to enjoy at my leisure. Depending on how busy they are, I will get before or after I shop. It’s a treat, so I want to enjoy it. Masks are mandatory in public in Minnesota. I haven’t noticed anyone not complying when I’m out, but I don’t go very often.1 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Sturgis is exactly an example of my last post. It boggles my mind what people don’t get about social distancing, mask wearing, and good hygiene habits (ie: hand washing, coughing into your elbow. As Mike said above, it’s very aggravating 😡
And Sturgis(plus all kinds of get-togethers like that one)trickle down to everybody within each of those 100 cases' families. And on and on and on.
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I live in a small town, 5800 people or so. I just noticed 2 restaurants are up for sale and a long time family owned retail store is closing. The store owners admitted that while Covid has made them take a serious financial hit, it's just time for them to close. But I have a feeling the 2 restaurants are due to Covid. Those are just 3 of the most recent additions to all our closed store fronts(which have been happening for quite awhile now, due to more online shopping, etc.). And the worst part is nobody is looking to buy businesses here now, they don't want the risk of investing in a failing little community. Pretty soon it'll be a ghost town.
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missysippy930 wrote: »Sturgis is exactly an example of my last post. It boggles my mind what people don’t get about social distancing, mask wearing, and good hygiene habits (ie: hand washing, coughing into your elbow. As Mike said above, it’s very aggravating 😡
And Sturgis(plus all kinds of get-togethers like that one)trickle down to everybody within each of those 100 cases' families. And on and on and on.
There were only 100 cases in a crowd of thousands? Not that I'm saying spread of the virus is good....but that seems very few cases compared to the crowd so it seems like covid isn't spreading as much as feared.
I will say I'm tired of people doing dumb things - like the fact that entire teams at my kids school are now quarantined because a couple seniors decided to go to a party, which also caused an entire team at a school they played to become quarantined. But if the spread is low as Sturgis might imply then maybe we don't need to worry so much as we are.4 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.
How do you know that they are buying coffee only to avoid wearing a mask exactly? We normally order our groceries these days (as a cost and time saving measure, not Covid related, we just spend way less when we can see our total as we go) but my Kroger has a Starbucks and I almost always do/would get a coffee to drink as we shopped normally. And judging by the line that's always been the case. It really seems like these days people are always ready to believe the worst about other people and it makes me sad.
I shouldn't have said, "garbage" -- that's mean and unnecessary. I'm just frustrated. As I'm sure you are and everyone else is. One unmasked person in a crowded grocery store (we don't have many of them where I live, so they are quite jam packed), is too many.
It's just, to me, drinking your coffee before you go or after you go isn't that much of a sacrifice for the common good. Just wanted to apologize for that phrasing.15 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
Given there were 250,000+ people there 100 cases is nothing.
Our local university with 20k students had over 270 cases within a week of classes starting (and most of the classes are on-line). Pretty typical of what we are starting to see at many universities around the country.
Unfortunately the need for people to go to shelters resulting from the hurricanes approaching US will be super spreaders.5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
Given there were 250,000+ people there 100 cases is nothing.
Our local university with 20k students had over 270 cases within a week of classes starting (and most of the classes are on-line). Pretty typical of what we are starting to see at many universities around the country.
100 is only what they've been able to directly track back to Sturgis. People were there from every state. The secondary infections and beyond could end up in the 100s of thousands. And I'm sure there will be many, many people that didn't decide to hop on their Harley and party maskless that will die.
Not to sound pessimistic, but how many of those that went there have minimal symptoms and would deny they might have Covid-19 or even admit they had it if they knew?
U of Alabama has had nearly 600 cases in a week and the student newspaper reporters were told to not talk about it. They refused and said they wouldn't be PR for the Dean of the university. Good for them.13 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.
Mike, this will explain the CDC actions that in my opinion, and as a scientist myself, I find completely out of place and a discredit to this institution, if true.
CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change virus testing guidance, official says
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/cdc-coronavirus-testing-guidance/index.html5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Sturgis is exactly an example of my last post. It boggles my mind what people don’t get about social distancing, mask wearing, and good hygiene habits (ie: hand washing, coughing into your elbow. As Mike said above, it’s very aggravating 😡
And Sturgis(plus all kinds of get-togethers like that one)trickle down to everybody within each of those 100 cases' families. And on and on and on.
There were only 100 cases in a crowd of thousands? Not that I'm saying spread of the virus is good....but that seems very few cases compared to the crowd so it seems like covid isn't spreading as much as feared.
I will say I'm tired of people doing dumb things - like the fact that entire teams at my kids school are now quarantined because a couple seniors decided to go to a party, which also caused an entire team at a school they played to become quarantined. But if the spread is low as Sturgis might imply then maybe we don't need to worry so much as we are.
Considering many of the folks who went to Sturgis didn't wear masks, I'd guess many of them didnt think it was important to get tested when they got home. So that 100 is probably only the ones with symptoms, perhaps even only the ones with a serious case. And only the ones who were honest and said they had been to Sturgis specifically. There could also be people who got sick and don't realize they got it from someone who came home from Sturgis. There's a ripple effect to an event like that, and it will take several weeks to become clear, especially considering how long it can take for symptoms to become serious and cause a denier to finally seek medical attention.
There are 180,000 people dead in 6 months. That's spreading plenty fast to be careful IMHO16 -
missysippy930 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
It’s really not a surprising attitude, considering how it’s been politicized since the beginning. The indications, at this point, show how spread can be somewhat contained. Top health care officials are in a position to be knowledgeable. Their advice needs to be followed. Letting it run it’s course, seems cruel. A lot more people would be sick. More would die. What’s going on at universities and colleges, across the US, is proof that, close contact, without proper, simple precautions, doesn’t work.
Of course.
If it wasn't clear, I think everyone should be masked (if medically possible) and those that medically cannot wear a mask should *severely* limit their external contacts to the *absolute maximum*, for the general good**.
I have friendships I've been able to maintain in the past, that are becoming much more difficult now. We have very deep differences in ideology, religion, politics, and other hot topics. But I value those friends for other reasons. We have had an explicit agreement, amongst one group where these and some polar opposite others socialize, that we strictly stay away from those topics. It's been fine, for year.
Now, there are two things:
One, is the mask as a visible symbol. It can't be ignored. I will wear mine in cases where they think I'm a ridiculous idiot to do so. They will fail to wear one in cases where I think they're ridiculous ideas not to. It's hard for both to ignore, that in each individual view, the other side is being an aggressive idiot, behaviorally. (And yes, some folks consider mask wearers who go beyond the very most strict requirements of the law to be aggressive idiots. I don't understand or support that belief, but it's true.)
Two, there is so much stress and heat around this issue that it's much harder, amongst groups that include people with opposing views, to agree not to talk about it. Given limited social contacts, and someone there to vent to, people vent. (I suspect Moonangel's walking group may be an example.) The "we don't talk about this" practice is much less doable, enforceable.
I think it's terrible and regrettable that we've gotten to this point.
I'd like to stay friends with some of these differently-thinking people . . . I think. It's emotionally hard, even for me, even though I think they're good, decent people in other ways, and I enjoy their company. (One is out, for sure: Jumped the shark, went full Q, like 175%, plus taunting/name-calling on social media, and much more. NopeNopeNope. That's beyond the pale, for me.)
** "Limit to zero" is not possible, unfortunately. I'd explain that, but it's off subtopic.15 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »There are now over 100 cases of Covid-19 in at least four states directly now linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
People that refuse to help the rest of us are just garbage in my eyes. Most of them are the same people that will now go into a store that requires masks and you see it below their nose or they buy coffee to take it off while they are shopping (that irks me so bad that Fry's still has their Starbucks open inside the store and that people will buy coffee to just avoid wearing a mask).
The CDC now says that no Covid-19 testing is needed if someone is asymptomatic. That's a really odd and mysterious call. To me, this seems like a coverup of number of cases. Next, maybe they'll say that if we don't have women do mammograms, breast cancer has been cured.
Related to the friend conversation (that don't wear masks), we have some good friends that we haven't seen in months. They wear masks in public but have been going out to restaurants and sitting inside (most have been in AZ that do go out). We've chosen never to do that and only sit outside to minimize risk. We also have other friends in their 70s and don't want to take any chances. We do plan to go out with that couple that eats inside once the heat breaks and we can sit outside with them. The man will not eat outside when it's 100 or so and I can't blame him at all. It's hard to judge in that circumstance. We just miss our friends.
Mike, this will explain the CDC actions that in my opinion, and as a scientist myself, I find completely out of place and a discredit to this institution, if true.
CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change virus testing guidance, official says
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/cdc-coronavirus-testing-guidance/index.html
I can confirm AP has also reported similar.
"CDC officials referred all questions to the agency’s parent organization, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in Washington, D.C. That suggests that HHS ordered the change, not CDC, said Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins University public health researcher.
HHS officials officials have offered little explanation, but scheduled a briefing for Wednesday afternoon to answer questions.
Across the country, public health experts called the change bizarre. They noted that testing contacts of infected people is a core element of public health efforts to keep outbreaks in check, and that a large percentage of infected people — the CDC has said as many as 40% — exhibit no symptoms." https://apnews.com/d36e698786f971658301d2cf4f83ad61
Speaking of deliberate decisions...
This is worrisome. 11 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Sturgis is exactly an example of my last post. It boggles my mind what people don’t get about social distancing, mask wearing, and good hygiene habits (ie: hand washing, coughing into your elbow. As Mike said above, it’s very aggravating 😡
And Sturgis(plus all kinds of get-togethers like that one)trickle down to everybody within each of those 100 cases' families. And on and on and on.
There were only 100 cases in a crowd of thousands? Not that I'm saying spread of the virus is good....but that seems very few cases compared to the crowd so it seems like covid isn't spreading as much as feared.
I will say I'm tired of people doing dumb things - like the fact that entire teams at my kids school are now quarantined because a couple seniors decided to go to a party, which also caused an entire team at a school they played to become quarantined. But if the spread is low as Sturgis might imply then maybe we don't need to worry so much as we are.
Considering many of the folks who went to Sturgis didn't wear masks, I'd guess many of them didnt think it was important to get tested when they got home. So that 100 is probably only the ones with symptoms, perhaps even only the ones with a serious case. And only the ones who were honest and said they had been to Sturgis specifically. There could also be people who got sick and don't realize they got it from someone who came home from Sturgis. There's a ripple effect to an event like that, and it will take several weeks to become clear, especially considering how long it can take for symptoms to become serious and cause a denier to finally seek medical attention.
There are 180,000 people dead in 6 months. That's spreading plenty fast to be careful IMHO
I don't know this is related, but it's worrying me. Here in South Dakota they normally get 1,000 to 1,400 test results back daily. Yesterday it was only 216 new people tested. Today it was 86. Of those 86, 66 were positive.10 -
The event in Sturgis ended only 10 days ago. Not nearly enough time for all the people who got it there to show up positive. Lack of consideration for others, and selfishly, potentially, exposing others to something that could seriously affect anyone’s health, is appalling. Especially when it could have been avoided. The attitude that “it’s not so many” is resounding at colleges, universities, weddings, rallies and other get togethers throughout this country. If you can’t find a reason to do what’s right, think about the healthcare workers who deserve surcease from this. Compassion for others seems to be lacking over desire for a short time of fun. Much of it preventable through face coverings, social distancing, and basic hygiene. It’s not forever, just until they find a better treatment, or hopefully a vaccine. One preventable case is one too many. Lives matter. ❤️13
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