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To Keto or Not To Keto?

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  • Rainworth_Massive
    Rainworth_Massive Posts: 11 Member
    I think the best thing about keto or low carb is that there are a lot fewer options for snacking :D . I am following a moderately low carb regime as I am insulin dependent, and the less extraneous insulin I need to take to combat the sugar highs from carbs, the better my glucose control.

    I have shied away from going keto as I have been conditioned into thinking ketones=bad (obviously ketosis & ketoacidosis are very different things, but still...)

    I believe I have found a regime that I can stick to and keep my BGL reasonably stable without going full keto but will keep me away from those unhealthy snacks (cupcake anyone?)
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    I don't have trouble moderating certain foods, just trouble moderating my blood glucose with very carb dense foods. Type 1 diabetes sucks. Also, what the heck is a fat bomb? I have this mental image of someone eating a ball of lard... *Shudder*

    They're a snack that some people on keto make.

    Here is an example: https://gimmedelicious.com/keto-cheesecake-fat-bombs/

  • Rainworth_Massive
    Rainworth_Massive Posts: 11 Member
    They're a snack that some people on keto make.

    Here is an example: https://gimmedelicious.com/keto-cheesecake-fat-bombs/

    Thanks :)
    Don't think I'll try them though, have managed so far without! :D
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,970 Member
    How is it we eat the same things we feed our animals to fatten them up for market?
    Grains such as wheat, oats, etc, and sugars, both "natural" and sugar alcohols. ("Ever see a fat animal in the wild" was a line from the video.)

    that is a really silly argument.

    You dont generally see fat animals in the wild because they do not have an abundance of food and they are active.

    You do see fat pets.

    Because animals are same as humans - if they eat too much and move too little, they gain weight.


    Exactly. If you left a bunch of free food out in the wild that was calorie dense, and animals DIDN'T have to hunt or starve daily, I GUARANTEE those animals would all gain weight and get fat if it were just there for them daily.

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,970 Member
    rileyes wrote: »
    Anyone read the book *The Fatburn Fix* by Catherine Shanahan?
    If it's about keto, then there's likely no other new information with probably the exception of recipes. It's the craze right now (not that it has reappeared at least once every decade or so)



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  • Theoldguy1
    Theoldguy1 Posts: 2,493 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    How is it we eat the same things we feed our animals to fatten them up for market?
    Grains such as wheat, oats, etc, and sugars, both "natural" and sugar alcohols. ("Ever see a fat animal in the wild" was a line from the video.)

    that is a really silly argument.

    You dont generally see fat animals in the wild because they do not have an abundance of food and they are active.

    You do see fat pets.

    Because animals are same as humans - if they eat too much and move too little, they gain weight.


    Exactly. If you left a bunch of free food out in the wild that was calorie dense, and animals DIDN'T have to hunt or starve daily, I GUARANTEE those animals would all gain weight and get fat if it were just there for them daily.

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    Yep, check the neighborhood dogs and cats.

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  • rileyes
    rileyes Posts: 1,406 Member
    Info on the author of “The Fatburn Fix”: Catherine Shanghai, M.D., is a board certified family physician and author of Deep Nutrition. She trained in biochemistry and genetics at Cornell University before attending Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. She practiced in Hawaii for ten years, where she studied ethnobotanist and her healthiest patients’ culinary habits. She served as director of the LA Lakers PRO Nutrition program for six years and now operates Healthy Choice Corporate Wellness and Metabolic Health from her office in Orlando, Florida.

    Has anyone read the book that can offer input? She touches upon how and why some are able to burn fat optimally. I am wondering if anyone has applied similar methods over time and their results.
    TIA
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  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    edited February 2021
    rileyes wrote: »
    rileyes wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    rileyes wrote: »
    Anyone read the book *The Fatburn Fix* by Catherine Shanahan?
    If it's about keto, then there's likely no other new information with probably the exception of recipes. It's the craze right now (not that it has reappeared at least once every decade or so)



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    I read Part I and so far am intrigued and a bit frightened. Below is a podcast with her (it gets better at the 24-min mark). Worth a full view:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugl1RsmU-HI

    From the book's item description on Amazon:

    " . . . but over decades of practice, renowned family physician Catherine Shanahan, M.D., observed that many of her patients could not burn their body fat between meals, . . . "

    A couple red flags here. First, her practice is a family practice, she doesn't specialize in weight loss. In and of itself, that isn't a problem. Generalists certainly have added to the sum of human knowledge over the years. But I'd have some follow up questions about her experience and qualifications.

    Second, what does it mean to "observe" that her patients cannot burn body fat between meals? What are the signs that someone is burning body fat between meals as opposed to someone who isn't? What kind of controls were these patients under? In other words, how did she verify that they SHOULD be burning fat between meals but were not? How did she compare these specific patients to her non-patients who were able to burn fat between meals?

    "Dr. Shanahan shares five important rules to fix your fatburn:

    1) Eat natural fats, not vegetable oils.
    2) Eat slow-digesting carbs, not starchy carbs or sweets.
    3) Seek salt.
    4) Drink plenty of water.
    5) Supplement with vitamins and minerals."


    Anyone can write rules, the trick is showing that these rules make a difference. Given that her practice is a family practice, how did she go about establishing that following these rules make a meaningful difference as opposed to someone simply introducing a calorie deficit to lose weight?

    I'd exercise caution here, especially since you're admitting the plan is already making you feel frightened (which may be a sign you've picked up on some additional red flags that weren't evidence in the item description).

    What is frightening is how many people developing Type 2 diabetes. She illustrates a path that leads to disease. I read a lot of posts on MFP detailing the same symptoms and their methods of relief; relief that can cause damage to the metabolism.

    What are you referring to here?

    I don't think you have to accept this particular family practitioner's theories about why her patients are somehow UNABLE to burn fat (again, not sure what this means or how she determined it) to recognize that T2D is a real problem.
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  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    rileyes wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Here are some quotes from her book, many which I don't agree with because physiology 101 doesn't refer to it.

    · Page 6, “We’re supposed to be able to use our body fat for energy between meals. That’s why we have body fat! We’re not supposed to need regular snacks—or even regular meals. We’re supposed to feel fine eating just one meal a day if we so choose, as long as we meet our nutritional needs in that one sitting.”

    · Page 9, “In other words, the kind of fat you eat changes what kinds of fuel your body’s cells can use, which determines everything about your health.”

    · Page 19, “When your metabolism is damaged, you lack energy. When you lack energy, you want to eat more often, and most of us seek out foods that make metabolic damage worse. It’s a trap—but you can escape if you can get more energy.”

    · Page 20, “A healthy metabolism uses body fat to sustain your energy all day so that you don’t need to rely on food to keep your energy up. When your metabolism is healthy, you have plenty of energy all day long even if you don’t have time to eat.”

    · Page 20, “Low energy also makes you gain weight. When your energy is down, you’re going to feel lazier than when your energy is up.”




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    I’m reading Part 2 now. More science-driven than the intro. She cites various scientific studies and shares political and societal changes to the norm.

    Something to consider, with all books, even with quoted studies, it doesn't mean that they are statijg what the actual study is saying.

    I guess the larger question is what are your goals and what are you trying to achieve?