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To Keto or Not To Keto?
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You can disregard somatotyping since it was made up by a pyschologist and not a physiologist. And everyone burns carbs. If one is thinner, it's more likely they just don't eat a lot and/or do a lot of physical activity to burn more calories.I guess it just depends on your body type and how you normally eat, but for me personally, keto would make me gain a lot of weight. I am naturally a carb burner/ectomorph so a more balanced diet is best for me. anything remotely low carb makes me extremely bloated, lethargic, put on weight, always starving. even for those bodies benefit from keto, it seems not to be something that people can stick to long term. so unless you have specific health problems, I think a more balanced diet is a healthier and more sustainable option.
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Orionphoto wrote: »3. One other was to my daughter in law’s dismay is that Kale doesn’t have much nutritional value. Lol. (Again, no fact check done on this)
This would be an example of a time where it would be a good idea to do a fact check.
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I think the best thing about keto or low carb is that there are a lot fewer options for snacking
. I am following a moderately low carb regime as I am insulin dependent, and the less extraneous insulin I need to take to combat the sugar highs from carbs, the better my glucose control.
I have shied away from going keto as I have been conditioned into thinking ketones=bad (obviously ketosis & ketoacidosis are very different things, but still...)
I believe I have found a regime that I can stick to and keep my BGL reasonably stable without going full keto but will keep me away from those unhealthy snacks (cupcake anyone?)2 -
Rainworth_Massive wrote: »I think the best thing about keto or low carb is that there are a lot fewer options for snacking . I am following a moderately low carb regime as I am insulin dependent, and the less extraneous insulin I need to take to combat the sugar highs from carbs, the better my glucose control.
I have shied away from going keto as I have been conditioned into thinking ketones=bad (obviously ketosis & ketoacidosis are very different things, but still...)
I believe I have found a regime that I can stick to and keep my BGL reasonably stable without going full keto but will keep me away from those unhealthy snacks (cupcake anyone?)
If anyone finds a way of eating useful because it tends to limit foods they may have trouble moderating AND they generally don't mind those limitations, I think that can be a positive thing for weight management.
But let's be real -- there are plenty of keto-friendly foods that obviously don't exist because of their nutrient-density (hello, fat bombs).
I don't really see a significant difference between having a cupcake sometimes and having a fat bomb sometimes unless it helps a particular individual control their calorie intake. For me, it's more sustainable to have the cupcake sometimes (if I want it) and continue to eat nutrient-dense higher carbohydrate foods frequently.6 -
I don't have trouble moderating certain foods, just trouble moderating my blood glucose with very carb dense foods. Type 1 diabetes sucks. Also, what the heck is a fat bomb? I have this mental image of someone eating a ball of lard... *Shudder*5
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Rainworth_Massive wrote: »I don't have trouble moderating certain foods, just trouble moderating my blood glucose with very carb dense foods. Type 1 diabetes sucks. Also, what the heck is a fat bomb? I have this mental image of someone eating a ball of lard... *Shudder*
They're a snack that some people on keto make.
Here is an example: https://gimmedelicious.com/keto-cheesecake-fat-bombs/
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janejellyroll wrote: »They're a snack that some people on keto make.
Here is an example: https://gimmedelicious.com/keto-cheesecake-fat-bombs/
Thanks
Don't think I'll try them though, have managed so far without! 2 -
How is it we eat the same things we feed our animals to fatten them up for market?
Grains such as wheat, oats, etc, and sugars, both "natural" and sugar alcohols. ("Ever see a fat animal in the wild" was a line from the video.)
that is a really silly argument.
You dont generally see fat animals in the wild because they do not have an abundance of food and they are active.
You do see fat pets.
Because animals are same as humans - if they eat too much and move too little, they gain weight.
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paperpudding wrote: »How is it we eat the same things we feed our animals to fatten them up for market?
Grains such as wheat, oats, etc, and sugars, both "natural" and sugar alcohols. ("Ever see a fat animal in the wild" was a line from the video.)
that is a really silly argument.
You dont generally see fat animals in the wild because they do not have an abundance of food and they are active.
You do see fat pets.
Because animals are same as humans - if they eat too much and move too little, they gain weight.
Yep, my dog is on a grain-free diet due to stomach issues but if we don't regulate his food, he'll happily be a little butterball.5 -
Exactly. If you left a bunch of free food out in the wild that was calorie dense, and animals DIDN'T have to hunt or starve daily, I GUARANTEE those animals would all gain weight and get fat if it were just there for them daily.paperpudding wrote: »How is it we eat the same things we feed our animals to fatten them up for market?
Grains such as wheat, oats, etc, and sugars, both "natural" and sugar alcohols. ("Ever see a fat animal in the wild" was a line from the video.)
that is a really silly argument.
You dont generally see fat animals in the wild because they do not have an abundance of food and they are active.
You do see fat pets.
Because animals are same as humans - if they eat too much and move too little, they gain weight.
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If it's about keto, then there's likely no other new information with probably the exception of recipes. It's the craze right now (not that it has reappeared at least once every decade or so)Anyone read the book *The Fatburn Fix* by Catherine Shanahan?
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Exactly. If you left a bunch of free food out in the wild that was calorie dense, and animals DIDN'T have to hunt or starve daily, I GUARANTEE those animals would all gain weight and get fat if it were just there for them daily.paperpudding wrote: »How is it we eat the same things we feed our animals to fatten them up for market?
Grains such as wheat, oats, etc, and sugars, both "natural" and sugar alcohols. ("Ever see a fat animal in the wild" was a line from the video.)
that is a really silly argument.
You dont generally see fat animals in the wild because they do not have an abundance of food and they are active.
You do see fat pets.
Because animals are same as humans - if they eat too much and move too little, they gain weight.
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Yep, check the neighborhood dogs and cats.
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I read Part I and so far am intrigued and a bit frightened. Below is a podcast with her (it gets better at the 24-min mark). Worth a full view:
If it's about keto, then there's likely no other new information with probably the exception of recipes. It's the craze right now (not that it has reappeared at least once every decade or so)Anyone read the book *The Fatburn Fix* by Catherine Shanahan?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugl1RsmU-HI
From the book's item description on Amazon:
" . . . but over decades of practice, renowned family physician Catherine Shanahan, M.D., observed that many of her patients could not burn their body fat between meals, . . . "
A couple red flags here. First, her practice is a family practice, she doesn't specialize in weight loss. In and of itself, that isn't a problem. Generalists certainly have added to the sum of human knowledge over the years. But I'd have some follow up questions about her experience and qualifications.
Second, what does it mean to "observe" that her patients cannot burn body fat between meals? What are the signs that someone is burning body fat between meals as opposed to someone who isn't? What kind of controls were these patients under? In other words, how did she verify that they SHOULD be burning fat between meals but were not? How did she compare these specific patients to her non-patients who were able to burn fat between meals?
"Dr. Shanahan shares five important rules to fix your fatburn:
1) Eat natural fats, not vegetable oils.
2) Eat slow-digesting carbs, not starchy carbs or sweets.
3) Seek salt.
4) Drink plenty of water.
5) Supplement with vitamins and minerals."
Anyone can write rules, the trick is showing that these rules make a difference. Given that her practice is a family practice, how did she go about establishing that following these rules make a meaningful difference as opposed to someone simply introducing a calorie deficit to lose weight?
I'd exercise caution here, especially since you're admitting the plan is already making you feel frightened (which may be a sign you've picked up on some additional red flags that weren't evidence in the item description).12 -
Honest opinion? I don't think she's that well versed in how body fat is actually lost. Lots of repetitive stuff I've heard over the years about low carb/keto. And for me, just about anyone that writes a book on diet and weight loss are doing it to take advantage of the sales since weight loss is such a huge industry. If I needed the money, I'd write a book.
I read Part I and so far am intrigued and a bit frightened. Below is a podcast with her (it gets better at the 24-min mark). Worth a full view:
If it's about keto, then there's likely no other new information with probably the exception of recipes. It's the craze right now (not that it has reappeared at least once every decade or so)Anyone read the book *The Fatburn Fix* by Catherine Shanahan?
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From the book's item description on Amazon:
"Dr. Shanahan shares five important rules to fix your fatburn:
1) Eat natural fats, not vegetable oils.
2) Eat slow-digesting carbs, not starchy carbs or sweets.
3) Seek salt.
4) Drink plenty of water.
5) Supplement with vitamins and minerals."
That bolded one doesn't even make sense. Carbs are starches (complex carbs), sugars (simple carbs) or fiber. The only way "slow-digesting carbs" even remotely makes sense is if "carbs" is taken as a synecdoche or metonymy. "Eat slow-digesting foods, not starchy carbs or sweets" might kinda make sense, but "slow-digesting carbs" is just WTF.
I guess it's easier to sell people stuff if one just slops words around in ways that don't educate them.
I'm just going to ignore my personal distaste for #5, which IMO ought to be "eat plenty of varied, colorful veggies/fruits and some whole grains to get your vitamins and minerals, but supplement if you find that impossible". Those darned veggies/fruits/grains are (mostly) slow-digesting foods, but just chock full of Da Evil Carbz.
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From the book's item description on Amazon:
"Dr. Shanahan shares five important rules to fix your fatburn:
1) Eat natural fats, not vegetable oils.
2) Eat slow-digesting carbs, not starchy carbs or sweets.
3) Seek salt.
4) Drink plenty of water.
5) Supplement with vitamins and minerals."
That bolded one doesn't even make sense. Carbs are starches (complex carbs), sugars (simple carbs) or fiber. The only way "slow-digesting carbs" even remotely makes sense is if "carbs" is taken as a synecdoche or metonymy. "Eat slow-digesting foods, not starchy carbs or sweets" might kinda make sense, but "slow-digesting carbs" is just WTF.
I guess it's easier to sell people stuff if one just slops words around in ways that don't educate them.
I'm just going to ignore my personal distaste for #5, which IMO ought to be "eat plenty of varied, colorful veggies/fruits and some whole grains to get your vitamins and minerals, but supplement if you find that impossible". Those darned veggies/fruits/grains are (mostly) slow-digesting foods, but just chock full of Da Evil Carbz.
Nobody knows what a "carb" is anymore. It's become an utterly meaningless term, which is why you hear people say things like "I don't even eat carbs anymore, just meat and vegetables."
(Obviously SOME people know, but in general usage it's become meaningless as we see from this diet advice).8 -
" . . . but over decades of practice, renowned family physician Catherine Shanahan, M.D., observed that many of her patients could not burn their body fat between meals, . . . "
If the Doctor had hooked her patients up to a gas analyser to test their RER (and hence what blend of carbs and fat they are burning) then her patients would be divided into two very distinct categories:
1/ Alive and burning fat.
2/ Dead and not burning anything.
Sad that this hogwash is written by someone who has committed to the Hippocratic Oath and even sadder that the gullible will be duped.
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Info on the author of “The Fatburn Fix”: Catherine Shanghai, M.D., is a board certified family physician and author of Deep Nutrition. She trained in biochemistry and genetics at Cornell University before attending Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. She practiced in Hawaii for ten years, where she studied ethnobotanist and her healthiest patients’ culinary habits. She served as director of the LA Lakers PRO Nutrition program for six years and now operates Healthy Choice Corporate Wellness and Metabolic Health from her office in Orlando, Florida.
Has anyone read the book that can offer input? She touches upon how and why some are able to burn fat optimally. I am wondering if anyone has applied similar methods over time and their results.
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Haven't read the book. Probably won't unless I get a free copy either. Not trying to be obtuse to her own experiences, but to me she sounds like she manipulates some to thinking that fat burning needs to be done a certain way in order for it to happen. When that's really not the case at all. I've stated it before that the Health, Fitness, and Wellness industry is a billion dollar business. And you stand out if you can create an issue that some associate with and you have the cure or answer for it. Great way to make money since many times you'll have people that will do well and testify to it. And really, in this business that's sometimes all you need regardless if the real reason people succeed it likely more due to a calorie deficit and consistency on a program.Info on the author of “The Fatburn Fix”: Catherine Shanghai, M.D., is a board certified family physician and author of Deep Nutrition. She trained in biochemistry and genetics at Cornell University before attending Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. She practiced in Hawaii for ten years, where she studied ethnobotanist and her healthiest patients’ culinary habits. She served as director of the LA Lakers PRO Nutrition program for six years and now operates Healthy Choice Corporate Wellness and Metabolic Health from her office in Orlando, Florida.
Has anyone read the book that can offer input? She touches upon how and why some are able to burn fat optimally. I am wondering if anyone has applied similar methods over time and their results.
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