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  • watts6151watts6151 Member, Premium Posts: 804 Member Member, Premium Posts: 804 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    If keto helps for medical issues or dietary adherence then that's great

    Again I'm not one for vertually eliminating a whole food group
    Also from a physique perspective your look terrible if remotely lean

    You certainly look flat on keto. But you can always run CKD to help address that. Or a program like UD2.

    From a personal standard point CKD is no where near enough carbs to make me look remotely good

    Keto
    tilj5w3skfih.jpeg


    Carb binge and over spilled 48 hours later
    zwpauxa23wpd.jpeg

    Don't disagree. I somehow don't think most people are gonna have your physique.
    Funny. When I used to compete back in the day (80's) we had no access to multiple OPINIONS on carb depletion, carb loading before contests. There were a couple I did where I looked completely flat and then 2 days after the mandatory after contest binge (for me it was pizza and ice cream) I looked way better and of course felt way better.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    Totally agree that super deletion and carb loading is definitely relevant in peak week.
    I just woke up one morning looked in the mirror and thought *kitten* it, full uncontrollable
    Carb binge, hence the over spill
  • ninerbuffninerbuff Member, Greeter Posts: 44,794 Member Member, Greeter Posts: 44,794 Member
    watts6151 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    If keto helps for medical issues or dietary adherence then that's great

    Again I'm not one for vertually eliminating a whole food group
    Also from a physique perspective your look terrible if remotely lean

    You certainly look flat on keto. But you can always run CKD to help address that. Or a program like UD2.

    From a personal standard point CKD is no where near enough carbs to make me look remotely good

    Keto
    tilj5w3skfih.jpeg


    Carb binge and over spilled 48 hours later
    zwpauxa23wpd.jpeg

    Don't disagree. I somehow don't think most people are gonna have your physique.
    Funny. When I used to compete back in the day (80's) we had no access to multiple OPINIONS on carb depletion, carb loading before contests. There were a couple I did where I looked completely flat and then 2 days after the mandatory after contest binge (for me it was pizza and ice cream) I looked way better and of course felt way better.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    Totally agree that super deletion and carb loading is definitely relevant in peak week.
    I just woke up one morning looked in the mirror and thought *kitten* it, full uncontrollable
    Carb binge, hence the over spill
    It's so amazing how the body works. I've watched many a contest where a contestant can look "watery" but get harder as the posing callouts continue in a hour. Also how one day can be night and day in their appearance. The chemical reaction in the body based on intake and balance of water is so delicate when it comes to peak or not.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
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  • psuLemonpsuLemon Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 37,320 MFP Moderator Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 37,320 MFP Moderator
    watts6151 wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    If keto helps for medical issues or dietary adherence then that's great

    Again I'm not one for vertually eliminating a whole food group
    Also from a physique perspective your look terrible if remotely lean

    You certainly look flat on keto. But you can always run CKD to help address that. Or a program like UD2.

    From a personal standard point CKD is no where near enough carbs to make me look remotely good

    Keto
    tilj5w3skfih.jpeg


    Carb binge and over spilled 48 hours later
    zwpauxa23wpd.jpeg

    Don't disagree. I somehow don't think most people are gonna have your physique.

    Just pointing out the difference carbs can make to to a physique.
    Personally I look like crap in both pictures, from my point of view obviously

    I disagree with you looking like crap, 😆. Both are impressive. And yea, i most bodybuilders I know that use Keto will carb load a few days out.
  • watts6151watts6151 Member, Premium Posts: 804 Member Member, Premium Posts: 804 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    If keto helps for medical issues or dietary adherence then that's great

    Again I'm not one for vertually eliminating a whole food group
    Also from a physique perspective your look terrible if remotely lean

    You certainly look flat on keto. But you can always run CKD to help address that. Or a program like UD2.

    From a personal standard point CKD is no where near enough carbs to make me look remotely good

    Keto
    tilj5w3skfih.jpeg


    Carb binge and over spilled 48 hours later
    zwpauxa23wpd.jpeg

    Don't disagree. I somehow don't think most people are gonna have your physique.
    Funny. When I used to compete back in the day (80's) we had no access to multiple OPINIONS on carb depletion, carb loading before contests. There were a couple I did where I looked completely flat and then 2 days after the mandatory after contest binge (for me it was pizza and ice cream) I looked way better and of course felt way better.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    Totally agree that super deletion and carb loading is definitely relevant in peak week.
    I just woke up one morning looked in the mirror and thought *kitten* it, full uncontrollable
    Carb binge, hence the over spill
    It's so amazing how the body works. I've watched many a contest where a contestant can look "watery" but get harder as the posing callouts continue in a hour. Also how one day can be night and day in their appearance. The chemical reaction in the body based on intake and balance of water is so delicate when it comes to peak or not.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    Definitely agree, I don't tend to post too much on here as prep seems to be very niche
    And debating the minusha isn't popular

    Respect and appreciate both @psulemon and @ninerbuff opinions on here
    As you both have practical experience
    edited February 1
  • maria4560hmaria4560h Member Posts: 25 Member Member Posts: 25 Member
    I’ve thought I was doing the Keto diet well enough to finally test if I’m in ketosis to find out no I wasn’t. I’m not doing the intermittent fasting but I do know that my prediabetes is gone for being on a Low Carb High Fat diet in general. Maybe my protein is too high or I should stop a “fiber only” according to nutrition label carb. So I’m tracking even closer and adding more fat straight from the bottles. As well as cut out my fiber one original that has 37g fiber and 0g sugar according to nutrition label however if you read the ingredients there clearly is sugar in it. I’ll have to give it to a friend instead. Fruit you can eat fruit. Berries and avocados. You can eat nuts and seeds. Several vegetables. Cauliflower can make your “bread and potatoes” spaghetti squash can make your “pasta” it’s nowhere near as hard as you think. And some people have used it to gain weight. The term diet in reality means what you eat. Nothing more. It’s just not what people see it as meaning. Diet fad would be a better way to put what people see the word diet to truly mean.
  • GaleHawkinsGaleHawkins Member Posts: 8,051 Member Member Posts: 8,051 Member
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/nih-boosts-precision-nutrition-research-quest-individualized-diets

    Hopefully when this study data is made public it will help with our understanding.
  • gigius72gigius72 Member Posts: 183 Member Member Posts: 183 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Preference by the user. However I've NOT YET met a person personally who lost weight on keto and kept it off after going back to trying to eat normal foods again. Initially it's almost impossible because as soon as carbs are reintroduced to the body, weight will shoot up a few pounds because of water and glycogen retention. And this can freak them out where they either jump back on keto immediately, or get depressed at the weight gain and give in and overeat again.
    ANY DIET PROGRAM should be a total lifestyle change they INTEND TO KEEP DOING. Not just to lose weight. It's why there are so many out there that lose and regain.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    That is mainly for 2 reasons:
    1 if you are one of those who have genes related to diabetes, while on keto you are creating a big insuline resistence. So when you re-introduce carbs, the higher production of insuline pushes more fat inside the cells and you regain body fat.
    2 I think is the main point. Getting rid of 75% of the viriety of food doesn't teach you how to eat (like every diet). So once you you re-introduce those foods or you quit counting calories, there are higher chances that you go back and eat the old way and thus regain all the weight.
    I agree with you. One has to find a way of eating that one can embrace as lifestyle.
    edited February 3
  • gigius72gigius72 Member Posts: 183 Member Member Posts: 183 Member
    watts6151 wrote: »
    gigius72 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Preference by the user. However I've NOT YET met a person personally who lost weight on keto and kept it off after going back to trying to eat normal foods again. Initially it's almost impossible because as soon as carbs are reintroduced to the body, weight will shoot up a few pounds because of water and glycogen retention. And this can freak them out where they either jump back on keto immediately, or get depressed at the weight gain and give in and overeat again.
    ANY DIET PROGRAM should be a total lifestyle change they INTEND TO KEEP DOING. Not just to lose weight. It's why there are so many out there that lose and regain.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    That is mainly for 2 reasons:
    1 if you are one of those who have genes related to diabetes, while on keto you are creating a big insuline resistence. So when you re-introduce carbs, the higher production of insuline pushes more fat inside the cells and you regain body fat.
    2 I think is the main point. Getting rid of 75% of the viriety of food doesn't teach you how to eat (like every diet). So once you you re-introduce those foods or you quit counting calories, there are higher chances that you go back and eat the old way and thus regain all the weight.
    I agree with you. One has to find a way of eating that one can embrace as lifestyle.

    No offence but your Seriously lacking in basic biology, insulin is basically a transportation hormone, virtually all the fat we consume is stored as fat etc etc etc

    No offense taken.
    Yes fat is stored in cells. But when you are predisposed to diabetes you are very likely to store fat in non adipose tissues like muscle tissues or liver tissues. That is called insulin resistance. It causes non alcoholic fat liver and pre type 2 diabetes. The insulin is no longer capable to push glucose inside the muscular cells thus it stays in the bloodstream. Your body in response will produce more insulin. And as you eat more fat, that will end up in more muscle cells (called intromyocellular lipid).
    edited February 4
  • katierthanmostkatierthanmost Member Posts: 24 Member Member Posts: 24 Member
    I don't think I'd last a day. Fortunately keto isn't necessary for weight loss.
  • GaleHawkinsGaleHawkins Member Posts: 8,051 Member Member Posts: 8,051 Member
    In hindsight it seems Keto first addressed my leaking gut syndrome. Then reset my gut microbiome balance then my autoimmune diseases resolved over time.
  • ndj1979ndj1979 Member Posts: 29,148 Member Member Posts: 29,148 Member
    gigius72 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Preference by the user. However I've NOT YET met a person personally who lost weight on keto and kept it off after going back to trying to eat normal foods again. Initially it's almost impossible because as soon as carbs are reintroduced to the body, weight will shoot up a few pounds because of water and glycogen retention. And this can freak them out where they either jump back on keto immediately, or get depressed at the weight gain and give in and overeat again.
    ANY DIET PROGRAM should be a total lifestyle change they INTEND TO KEEP DOING. Not just to lose weight. It's why there are so many out there that lose and regain.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    That is mainly for 2 reasons:
    1 if you are one of those who have genes related to diabetes, while on keto you are creating a big insuline resistence. So when you re-introduce carbs eat more calories, the higher production of insuline pushes more fat inside the cells and you regain body fat.
    2 I think is the main point. Getting rid of 75% of the viriety of food doesn't teach you how to eat (like every diet). So once you you re-introduce those foods or you quit counting calories, there are higher chances that you go back and eat the old way and thus regain all the weight.
    I agree with you. One has to find a way of eating that one can embrace as lifestyle.
    Fixed it for you
    The only thing that leads to fat storage is an excess of calories...
    edited February 4
  • PsychgrrlPsychgrrl Member Posts: 3,105 Member Member Posts: 3,105 Member
    For me personally - no. Doesn't appeal to me at all.

    Everyone else - try it if you want to. Or don't, if you don't.

    But weight loss = CICO, regardless of being on keto or not.

    Me, either. Not a WOE (way of eating) that would sustain me. But I have a couple friends who love it and for whom it has worked well.

    But if you think it could work for you, give it a shot. Then you’ll know.

    However you eat, you still need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight.
  • ninerbuffninerbuff Member, Greeter Posts: 44,794 Member Member, Greeter Posts: 44,794 Member
    lynn1 wrote: »
    When I was doing KetoI lost good! I’m going back on it! I actually gave Sunday lunches as my cheat meal.
    So why did you regain? Because it wasn't something you could stick to for life?
    What you're describing is yoyo dieting scenario.

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  • ninerbuffninerbuff Member, Greeter Posts: 44,794 Member Member, Greeter Posts: 44,794 Member
    mdmccall34 wrote: »
    I have been on keto since feb 1, almost 2 months. I have lost 12 pounds. I try different meals to help keep me on track. I don’t eat pork or beef. So I do a lot of Salmon, turkey, chicken and shrimp and a lot of vegetables
    Ask yourself: can I eat this way the rest of my life? Full well know that if you decide to "carb fest" you could EASILY gain 10lbs in a day. Of course not fat, but that's pretty dishearting to people who may have taken 4 months or more just to lose 10lbs.

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