WOMEN AGES 50+ FOR APRIL 2020
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Tasmania ...
Size: 68,401 km²
Population: 524,170
Comparable with:
West Virginia at 62,756 with a population of 1,778,070
New Brunswick at 72,908 with a population of 761,214
Lithuania at 65,300 with a population of 2.794 million
Ireland at 70,273 with a population of 4,937,786
We shut our "borders" some time ago. Planes stopped flying and the Spirit of Tasmania ferry to the mainland stopped sailing. That said, I think there's one plane a week or something like that flying now ... just in case people really do have to get off the island.
Some of our Rules:
"Tasmanians should stay at home unless they need to be away from home:
• shopping for supplies or services; or
• undertaking personal exercise; or
• attending medical, or health care, appointments or for medical treatment; or
• providing social support, or care, to another person (including compassionate needs, or to facilitate shared parenting arrangements, guardianship or care arrangements for another person); or
• attending school or study, if unable to be performed at the person’s home; or
• attending work, or volunteering, if unable to be performed at the person’s home; or
• seeking veterinary services for an animal; or
• performing essential maintenance, or security inspections, of another premises owned, or occupied, by the person; or
• attending another location if you have a reasonable excuse, in the opinion of the Director of Public Health or his or her delegate, to attend the location.
New rules apply to indoor and outdoor gatherings, with a rule of two persons to be applied, except for gatherings of household members, those in shared parenting arrangements, guardianship arrangements or other care arrangements.
This means in the home, only two extra visitors are permitted at any one time. Outside the home, you may be with the people who live in your household, or if leaving the home alone, you may meet one other person to comply with the maximum group size of two people.
There are exemptions to the two person rule, including to allow more than two people in a private vehicle, in passenger transport, on a ferry service or vessel, at a medical, health or veterinary service, for the purpose of emergency services, at permitted businesses (eg supermarkets, pharmacies), at work (except if your venue or service is prohibited) and at school, childcare or educational institutions."
https://www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/families-community/gatherings
https://www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/families-community/gatherings/gatherings-faqs
We are strongly encouraged to remain in our own council areas. Social visits are not permitted in each other's homes or elsewhere. We can only shop for essentials and are strongly encouraged not to browse at shops ... go, get what you need, go home. Rallies and group gatherings are absolutely not permitted (big fines, jail terms etc.)
And the police, SES, etc. are around checking up.
When we go for a walk to the beach, there are usually 2 or 3 police vehicles that go by. I've also seen the SES checking up on people in my area. In the NW, where they've got a stricter lockdown, helicopters have been employed to watch people.
Machka in down under down under1 -
nannersp61 wrote: »
this would be a beautiful picture to paint
Thank you ... I love that photo.
We had walked down the path, then turned around there and I just had to take the picture!
Machka in Oz3 -
As far as I know, no one is policing the two person with a 6’ separation anywhere but in recreational areas, such as beaches or parks here in Washington State. Stores have gone to alternating aisle directions and marked distances and lanes for check-out.
The Nudist resort where I live is closed. The hot tubs, pool and sauna are closed. Only residents and delivery people and service reps are allowed in. We have even gone to personal gate entry codes for each resident and a common code used for all delivery personnel. We also socially distance resident households. My daughter is the one exception, when she comes across the lawn to help me. She is extremely observant of all cleansing and disinfecting protocols when she’s gone into town for her one shopping trip for our households. Before she comes to my house, she’s stripped and showered and cleaned any purchases she’s made for me. Then after she visits me she goes home and washed again. She is in dread of my grandson or me catching it from her.
I’ve watched several movies on the Disney+ channel that I haven’t seen before. I just loved “Coco”, with its celebration of Latinx culture - especially music. I thought I knew a lot about El Día Muerte, but I learned more of the fabled and the images are fabulous.
Does anyone else besides me enjoy “children’s movies” or YA literature? I’m delighted by how much I’m finding that is highly original and thought-provoking.
I hope all of you who need support are finding it, and all who are lonely find as much companionship in these posts as I do!
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trucker743 wrote: »Does anyone else besides me enjoy “children’s movies” or YA literature? I’m delighted by how much I’m finding that is highly original and thought-provoking.
Sharon Near Seattle
Yes!
When I worked in childcare, we would put on the children's movies for the kids and found it fascinating that the kids would laugh at a place we found mildly amusing, but we adults would laugh at a different place which the kids didn't really "get". Many of them are cleverly written to two audiences: kids and adults!
So I do have a small collection of kids movies.
In fact we just finished watching a young adult/family series. The "Honey I Shrunk The ..." three-part series. We particularly enjoyed the special effects.
And when my husband was in hospital and for a long time after, I started reading young adult literature. I read the Narnia series, the Princess and the Goblin, some Mary Poppins, Little Women and others. I was just not in the mood for adult literature. I wanted something I could read quickly and which I knew would turn out OK in the end.
Machka in Oz6 -
Hi Gals,
I find it interesting that each country and within the US each state and sometimes each county has different rules regarding SIP, social distancing, and masks. It seems critical to me that you research your own location to be sure that you know what is required in your area. I’m in California and my county requires, masks in all public spaces all the time, for everyone over 11 years old. No customer provided bags in any stores. Many parks closed. No crossing county lines unless for essential services, fine for crossing is up to $1000 per adult in the car. Only stores that are open are grocery, pet food stores, doctors, veterinarian, and restaurants for only for delivery or pick up.
Essential jobs are medical, agricultural, police, fire and if you are in payroll or benefits for your company. You can also be out if you are providing essential services for someone who can not do it for themselves. So for example I have to cross county lines to bring my 91 year old mom groceries, and each time I have done it I have been stopped at the county line, and been allowed to cross.
The police and other official staff are not taking this lightly and are enforcing laws.
Well it’s getting late here -good night all.
Kim from N. California
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Me: I must drink more water
Also Me: Making excessive trips to potty3 -
thanks for the tip Amber, I will get one. I truly need it!3
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Sharon: I’ve been in two grocery stores in my town. They both have senior citizen hours in the early mornings. There is an “in” door and an “out” door at Safeway, but the aisles are not restricted. People are expected to stay at least 5 feet apart while in the store. Everyone I have encountered has been courteous and keeping good social distances. At IGA, shoppers are able to access aisles as they wish but do not get close to one another. :noway:
Machka: I am surprised with the information from the Tasmanian government. I’m stunned that they don’t seem to care if people get sick because of exposure to another citizen. yikes! Beautiful photo of the sea and the boats on the beach. I love it. On another topic, I love the Narnia Series. I read the books aloud to my kids when they were in grade school. They loved the books and began to read for themselves.
I went to the liquor store today. There was a marked line outside on the side walk. Customers outside were expected to be 5 feet apart. When it was your turn to go in, you did your shopping, paid and left. No more than 5 customers were in the store at one time and people kept good personal spacing. It is a relatively small store and can't hold a large group of customers all at once. It was a lovely day today. I wonder what will happen outside when it rains.
Katla in Beautiful NW Oregon
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One thing I am truly grateful for is that we live in a "treehouse" with a view of the bay. It's a relatively normal house, but it is built on such a slope that the main level is high among the trees.
Machka in Oz6 -
Machka: I am surprised with the information from the Tasmanian government. I’m stunned that they don’t seem to care if people get sick because of exposure to another citizen.
Katla in Beautiful NW Oregon
They do care ... very much. And they are doing a lot to prevent the spread of the virus, reasonably successfully. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they don't care.
We haven't had a case outside the NW in a long time now (10 days) and the transmissions which have occurred aren't real "community transmissions". Unfortunately, some of the people from the Ruby Princess cruise came to Tasmania, and ended up in a hospital in the NW. Hospital staff ended up catching it from them.
The Ruby Princess is now part of an Australian homicide investigation.
Our government's main message is "stay home" ... and most people are complying.
Also, stay away from each other ... which is pretty easy to do ... and hygiene!
M in Oz
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I still follow Oregon's news and was amazed to know that liquor stores and pot dispensaries are essential stores. But you can't fish. That's about the most solo, normally social distancing activity you can do. I'm confused by it all.
💖Rebecca4 -
These are just some of the messages all over Facebook, the news, and other places here:
M in Oz1 -
Fun fact: 1949--In the midst of the polio epidemic--a disease that placed tens of thousands of children inside iron lungs, and many thousands more around the country quarantined at home--a young San Diego schoolteacher named Eleanor Abbott invented Candy Land, one of the most popular board games of all time. Abbott created the game inside a polio ward, as a patient herself, with the hope of giving the immobilized children around her a momentary sense of freedom and mobility. As a way of further connecting with the kids, Abbott featured on the game board an illustration of a boy with a leg brace. Milton Bradley was quick to buy the game from Abbott. And to this day, Candy Land continues to be popular, more than 65 years after the disease was eradicated. Of course so many of us played this game as kids, but I found the back story fascinating. Who knew ? Makes me wonder ...what will be invented from this pandemic?
(I saw this on Facebook just now...)
Nancy from Texas9 -
Machka - The statistics post was very informative.
I wear a plastic ring back thing. It's curly curly and very cheap from Amazon.
Love Heather UK xxxxxxxx4 -
Rebecca I don’t know how you go for such long periods of fasting. I do not know if it is my blood sugar or what, but too long without food and I get weak and shaky. Did you experience anything like that when you first started the OMAD? The video of Athena is so adorable! She is such a sweetie! Congrats on the ring NSV!! I, too, changed sizes and DH gave me a new set for our 25th.
Janet Thank God Jack’s son and family were not injured in the tornado! A shame about the property and the goat, but wonderful they were spared injury or death!! Your profile picture is great! Glad you got the ATV back!
Julie Sorry to hear about the shingles Dx.
Kylia Sorry for all you are going through with your MIL! Must be so hard for you and DH!
Tere So very sorry to hear of your losses – so many together! Prayers for you during this difficult time!
Meg Glad your removal of skin cancer is healing well. Those can be tricky on the face. Do not like the sound of the graft! What a surprise that your illness was probably CoVid19! Glad you were able to get through it, but that would certainly explain why you were so sick for so long!
Lisa So sorry for the loss of your niece! Gone way too soon!
Amber Congrats on losing 75%! Terrific accomplishment! and the ring fitting again
Terri Wow! How amazing being attacked by pirates! That is one story I hope to never experience!
I guess that is the best I will catch up. I am having trouble finding my place going back and forth...
I love good tomatoes but it is hard to find them anymore. Growing up in MI we had wonderful ones from the yard. For some reason, I grew up putting sugar on everything, including tomatoes. Can't do that anymore thanks to diabetes, but I love them with oil and vinegar or another dressing.
Health, Safety and Love to All! Luci in WNC5 -
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I seem to have misunderstood about the Ruby Princess. I’m happy to know about stay home, save lives.1
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@Michele, in lack of masks, scarves help to avoid infecting others. If your mouth is covered you are less likely to send out spittle and aerosol if you have asymptomatic or pre symptomatic form. From what i've read, thick weave is better and non-cotton is better. (cotton lets lots slip in and out). Though it is (sometimes not always) said that surgical masks don't protect at all (this seems to be said mostly in places where mask are lacking, not where they are required) i think they and scarves must protect a little. If i walk by some suspended particles, if my mouth and nose are covered thick weave cloth is likely to provide a mild barrier. Not complete but even filtering out 50% reduces the amount we are exposed to. Cloth masks are becoming widespread and official recommendation to wear them is not rare. A scarf is not identical but not 100% different (depending on how snug it is and what cloth is used). Many people cover mouths with scarves. Everyone agrees wearing a mask doesn't allow to avoid social distancing. As long as social distancing is maintained, there is no risk in wearing a scarf and there is a possible benefit, though some people will argue adamantly against and for nearly every proposal and idea around. Some claim that people touch faces more with masks but i don't find that to be true at all.3
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Morning
I'm not a fan of tomatoes, I can eat them if they are cut thinly or chopped into small pieces or even fried, but thick raw slices yuk!
Heather I agree about being too clean, I remember the time my sister in law visited with her first child, the little girl Toni was about a year old at the time and was wiped clean every few minutes, SIL was horrified when she saw my next door neighbour (who we were talking to at the time) put her youngest child Stephanie on the grass to dash after the two older boys who were getting up to mischief in another part of the garden. The look on SILs face as she watched Stephanie crawling about in "the dirt" had to be seen to be believed By the time SIL had her second daughter a few years later, I don't think she was as bothered about "dirt"
Welcome laughing I too would be interested in your meals, my daughter is a vegetarian and I'm practically one, so always on the look out for new ideas for meals etc.
Sun is shining, we had a lovely dog walk this morning, very quiet and the sky was so pretty, looks like it will be a hot day, I'll get some washing out to dry.
Barbara I'm trying to do 15 minutes of tidying and decluttering every day. I don't know if it's because we have pets but I can dust and within a few minutes it looks like I haven't dusted at all. I've been told I only need to enter a room and it's messy, cheek! I'm the messy one, daughter is a bit of a clean freak
Better get my 15 minutes cleaning done, then pop over to mums to see if she needs anything doing, then back to take the dog out for a quick walk around the block before lunch - wonder if I have enough flour to make some Yorkshire Puddings - for some reason there is a shortage of flour in the supermarket and the local shops. Need to go to the Pet Shop too for dog food and poopy bags.
Both Daughter and Son are still working, daughter works with horses but only sees two other people and she has always avoided other people on dog walks etc. Son is a delivery driver and regularly comes into contact with people, he tries to avoid them, but some don't think the social distancing applies to them. I do worry about him getting the virus and bringing it home. I'd hate to take it to my mum as she is not in the best of health as it is.
Take care
Viv UK4 -
Hello everyone.
Ah, Sunday. You were here too early for me, but I will enjoy you anyway. 2:30 am anyone? I know a nap will be forthcoming! The bedding will be crisp and clean for nap time since it is one of the projects on the to do list today.
So many things to be grateful for in this moment.- Awakening to a healthy day.
- The prospect of watching the sun rise.
- My washer and dryer.
- My home which is a great comfort to me.
- My garden which provides continuous amazement to me.
- My education. It taught me how to research and make my own decisions based upon facts, not someone else's interpretations.
Off to get started on my to dos for today.
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@Heather
DISINFECTING FOOD i am also not a disinfectant freak normally. i don't wash everything all the time and i seem to usually do fine. there is some research about not disinfecting too much to develop immunity. Of course now i do wash me, things, etc, quite a lot, especially when i get home. My mom said my grandfather, a (what seemed to me rather elegant) drafting teacher used to say "everyone eats a peck of dirt in their life". And my very seriously organized mother of my BF from high school (big Irish family w 9 kids) would say "kiss it up to god" if you drop something on the floor, that you were intending to eat. Now it's different. it reminds me of a trip to india when you had to be wary of surfaces (not assume the train tablet in 1st class is not infected according to an elegant local) and anything one ingested ; but moreso.
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HEATHER couldn’t agree more about being too clean. Have thought for a long time that the growth in allergies especially in younger generation is down to the obsession with antibacterials etc Media ads are full of warnings.
Enjoy your Sunday stay well and safe
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@Whidislander i was surprised first off that cigarette shops were added in with supermarkets and pharmacies for 1St line essential requirements, so i think alcohol is in the same boat. It would not be reasonable to suddenly expect all addicts to go cold turkey right now. Pot dispensary seems a bit more iffy but is possibly in similar category overall.3
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Last night I had an odd dream - not a nightmare by any means, but it probably has to be classed as an anxiety dream. I was one of four people who needed to be tested for virus. The healthcare worker came in carrying — a small bottlebrush! She insisted she wasn't going to stuff it into our gullets by way of our nostrils. I woke up before she tried anything. :grumble:
Terri – Writing about one of your Norwegian cruises a while back, you mentioned the spectacular cathedral in Tromsø. When we first moved there, we lived in a basement apartment right beside it! We later moved to another place about a mile away. We still pass by there frequently, whenever we're in Tromsø.
Apart from walks outdoors, my main coping strategy during lockdown has become baking. Today I'm making my standard sourdough, but I've also been trying things I've never tried before. Here's yesterday's bread. The recipe called for 100 grams of walnuts but I substituted half with some pumpkin seeds I bought long ago and haven't been able to use up. The dough consisted largely of spelt flour and was unsweetened, with apricots and raisins to spiff it up. I'm afraid the result was way too delicious.
/Penny, resisting the traps I set for myself at the
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Penny That bread!!!2
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Not feeling great. Here we can only go out to exercise 1h per day with certificate and possible control. living alone in a city apartment it's stressful, for 2 months. most of my students are doing ok, but some are clearly down and demotivated. (not particularly in my classes but in general), the 20 year old who misses her boyfriend and is tired of being with family - who knows which families are supportive and which are hard to live with, and how hard and dysfunctional some may be. these are students who are usually upbeat and active. they are polite but i can see they are struggling. i like reading upbeat posts but we don't all have equal situations. of course mine is much less worse than that of people in great poverty, homeless, migrants in camps, struggling single parents, arguing couples, those in domestic or other violence situations, etc.; but i think living with a yard is a big plus and then living with a peaceful significant other or family member would be a good thing.
it's not relaxing to have to have a paper to go out and to have a limitation to 1km to move outside, and to be limited to 1h a day.
a colleague who went to stay in a rural place w his elderly mom is very happy to stay there and teach from there. he will stay until September if he can which he probably can. I used to have a country house and i'm sure it would be nicer there: plenty of gardening and pottering to do, many meals outside in the sun. Lesser danger of walking and shopping in low infection area.
there is something about the lack of future projection which is challenging.
i read that in "The Plague" novel i'm rereading and also heard that in a a meditation talk today. it was not a great talk (for me) but it spoke about how the future plans seemed so concrete and how they are not so now.
people who were living in unstable situations (financially, professional, or other) and needing to keep regular effort just to keep afloat are not in the best of situations.
it's depressing not to be able to see or touch any human being live for 2 months, other than crossing in streets or buying food.
sometimes in lines people in front go on and on and on talking with person receiving them for like 15-20 minutes, commenting on everything and asking every question imaginable. probably they need to psychologically, but it's not great if waiting in line behind them.
there were protest after protest after protest in France (university teachers, students, civil servants of all sorts) and this confinement seems to be positive for the french government.
The level of testing in France remains extremely low, and the plan to do no or next to no serological testing is very disheartening.
France is 4th in official deaths per million, (not counting countries that are just one city, like Andora) after Belgium, Italy and Spain, and 62nd in testing per million, after Bosnia, Turkey, Kazakhstan, Djibouti, Venezuela, etc.
Of course there are 66 million of us dealing with this, so i'm not alone and i know it's not better in some places, notably with no lockdown.
other than machka, i know some who are happy at present:
-a friend who is happy not to go to work she dislikes and to be able to work on a writing project that is dear to her.
- a friend happy to spend more time working at home and not travel and be more with her DH. normally she finds distance working too lonely but w her DH there she likes it.
- my elderly 1st cousin once removed at age 90 in a happy couple, with all her spirits about her, in a top notch retirement place, recently semi-(yes only semi) retired, likes the quiet.
I DO like the lack of noise and pollution.
I DO like the hour of sun in the morning on the balcony reading
I DO like eating more home-cooked vegetables
I HAVE enjoyed some of the contact with students when we havent got computer issues.
I HAVE enjoyed some walks and the odd distant chat with neighbors.
but some things i enjoyed early on i enjoy less with the length of the confinement. i don't actually often get bored, but i tire of this 1km radius and 1h daily.
when i had a country home i loved 2 full days seeing noone, but on average i liked to go out and see people by 3rd day. (get a coffee at the coffee shop, pop by a friends' etc.)
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grateful:
sun
balcony
easy chair and footstool
veggie bean soup
coconut and curry powder
safe neighborhood
at least 1 computer and internet and phone still working
fridge
freezer
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I seem to have misunderstood about the Ruby Princess. I’m happy to know about stay home, save lives.
The Ruby Princess situation is
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-23/coronavirus-across-australia-if-ruby-princess-never-docked/12172314
"In the case of the Ruby Princess, the question will be what senior employees, crew or the corporation itself knew about the health of the passengers, what actions were taken, and what they did or didn't tell Australian authorities."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-24/coronavirus-ruby-princess-cruise-homicide-charges-causation-law/12171688
The allegation is that someone in authority knew that some passengers on the Ruby Princess were infected but wanted all passengers to disembark ... so that person told the port authorities that all was well. Then the passengers travelled throughout Australia to their homes ... and infected a large number of people.
The investigation is underway and who knows when we'll find out what the verdict is ... but it's a homicide investigation.
Meanwhile, it looks like the outbreak in the NW of Tasmania (most of our cases) came from passengers on the Ruby Princess. The first 3 deaths here were Ruby Princess passengers, and I think most of the rest (11 deaths so far) have been related.
We're facing fines of up to $16,800 and/or prison if we violate the "essential only" rules ... and people have been charged.
So the Tasmanian Government is taking it pretty seriously.
For example, we can't go visit my husband's sister, even though she's only about 1.5 hour drive away. I'm not even sure I can drive into Hobart right now even though it's about a 15 min drive away because it's in a different council from where we live.
Businesses have also stepped up and have gone online with contactless delivery.
Where they are still open to customers, most places have put up plexiglass between cashiers and customers and have marks on the floor for where you're supposed to stand. Bunnings, our hardware store has added tables in front of the checkout counters so we're forced to stand some distance away from the cashiers. Of course, no cash is accepted anywhere.
Most stores have customer limits. Bunnings only allows 4 people per aisle ... so a maximum of 4 x the number of aisles. If there are more people than that, they have to wait outside.
And most stores have sanitation centres at the front.
So in the last couple weeks we've gone out to get our flu shots, to take Rhody to the vet, and to pick up our van from the shop down the road. All 3 are considered essential and were quick. We've also stopped at Bunnings for my husband's gardening supplies as we are attempting to grow a lot of our own veggies so that we don't have to go shopping.
M in Oz2
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