Clean Eating Bashing?
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This is not that hard to grasp. Heath food is a myth. So is junk food.
QFT0 -
Yesterday is sorely lacking the aforementioned Twinkies or Zingers though. Oh no, starvation mode!Sure, why not...
...even though the sequel is (almost) never better than the original.
ETA: "Clean" adherents, behold and tremble in fear: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
(...and scroll back a few days if you're really brave.)
I liked Thor 2 better than the original.
Your diary looks delicious.0 -
I eat clean because of allergies. I had no choice but to cut out processed foods that inevitably contained my allergens.
I don't know if it makes me feel better because right now I don't feel so great. I'm still fat, despite three years of pretty strict clean eating...
I think health is intricate. It's not just about what you eat, or what you do... it's what you eat AND do, all at once. And even then there is no guarantee.
My advice is... do what makes you happiest. Do what makes you feel the best. And stop worrying so much about doing what everyone is telling you to do.0 -
I don't post much, but have stalked these boards for quite a while and the clean-eating bashing is a big turn-off for me personally. These are the reasons I choose to eat "cleaner":
1. I enjoy cooking
2. I want to know where as many elements of my food come from as possible
3. I want to maintain the energy to sustain an active lifestyle
4. I want good skin, hair, and teeth
5. I want good digestion
6. I want to set a good example for my children
7. I don't want to rely on supplements or medications
8. I don't want to feel bad if I chose to have some candy
9. When I know better, I do better
Of course all of this is subjective, but the great thing is I don't have to rely on anyone else's experiences but my own. I don't have to quantify or qualify or justify. Period.
And those who choose not to eat clean get the same results...that is not relegated to "clean" eaters.
And we don't bash clean eaters for their choices the bashing happens when they tell someone new that it is the only way to lose weight and be healthy. That is false and misleading and can and will lead to the downfall of those who really don't understand what they are being told...most people go gung ho and end up binging on the stuff they are deprived of when they don't have to be deprived.
Choosing to have candy and not feeling bad? how is that only for a clean eater?
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Here's exactly what I mean. Why do you feel the need to respond to a post all about me? I did not make one reference to those who don't eat clean. I only reported what clean eating (and living, by the way) has done for me.
I'm not foolish enough to make statements about "most, all, or none" because I know that any statement using those words should be backed up with evidence, not opinion.
I stated that I eat clean (most of the time) so that I can enjoy my occasional treat because I personally would feel like crap if all I ate was crap.
Because you said clean eating bashing is a big turn off and I pointed out we don't bash clean eaters we bash the fallacy that it is the only way to eat to lose weight or if you don't eat clean you will not be healthy. Which I bolded...
I did not bash you or your choices just pointed out they are not just results of clean eating but can happen even if you don't "eat clean".
PS post on a public forum expect someone to possibly read it, even quote it there is no automomy here.0 -
He ate oatmeal, a ham & Cheese omelette, a meatball sub from Subway, and whole grains, meat, and vegetables for dinner. So he swapped out the pizza for a (1000 calorie) fast food sub, and swapped out French toast and pancakes for oatmeal. I'm not really seeing how it's that much cleaner, regardless of what the article says, the food speaks for itself.
Heh? He went from eating lots of home cooked food and fast food (assuming the pizza was probably delivery) everyday to eating lots of home cooked food and fast food every day. What exactly changed? That he's eating foods that fit his macros better?
Yes! He should be the poster boy:)
Considering Michael Phelps admits to eating a mostly "dirty" diet (of 12,000 calories a day) and has more gold medals and total medals than any individual in the history of the Olympics ever, I'd say he's the poster boy for proving that "clean eating" is an unnecessary approach for health and fitness.Lets take a fitness approach....would an athlete training for an event....Lets say Michael Phelps (or anyone you choose) be better eating a so called "clean diet" or would he just train eating a not so clean diet (fast food)? Just want to see everyones opinions:)
May I recommend this photo of him for our poster?
with the caption of dirty eater or soemthing preferably quoted from an interview he did? so as to remain kosher?
READ IT AND WEEP, BOYS!
http://news.menshealth.com/michael-phelps-diet/
There is some gray area afterall!
Wow, we apparently read a different article - I will save myself the multiple cut and pastes and just end with this:
"Cleaner, healthier calories are easier for your body to use as fuel, he explains. “It’s like putting higher octane fuel in a car—I run better when I eat better." Yep, he said the dreaded "C:" word! Cleaner! and yep, he said it was healthier. Wow. Just wow.
Edit: BTW - I was the first person to say that he should eat whatever he wants and that as an elite athlete his eating habits were irrelevant to most of us. Someone else erroneously made him a poster boy for "dirty" eating. And Chelle, as always, you have a great sense of humor.0 -
Sure, why not...
...even though the sequel is (almost) never better than the original.
ETA: "Clean" adherents, behold and tremble in fear: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
(...and scroll back a few days if you're really brave.)
Why, I don't get it. What is wrong with the food you eat? Most of it looked just fine to me. And if you are happy with it and your weight loss, who cares? I am sorry to disappoint, but it hardly provokes fear.
A false and stupid dichotomy has been created here and it is getting a bit ridiculous. And the self-righteousness is every bit contagious on both sides.
Apparently my post wasn't specifically for you.0 -
Sure, why not...
...even though the sequel is (almost) never better than the original.
ETA: "Clean" adherents, behold and tremble in fear: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
(...and scroll back a few days if you're really brave.)
Why, I don't get it. What is wrong with the food you eat? Most of it looked just fine to me. And if you are happy with it and your weight loss, who cares? I am sorry to disappoint, but it hardly provokes fear.
A false and stupid dichotomy has been created here and it is getting a bit ridiculous. And the self-righteousness is every bit contagious on both sides.
Apparently my post wasn't specifically for you.
Obviously, it didn't have my name on it. I still don't understand what is wrong with your diary and what you eat. And why anyone should fear it. The other was a ramble in general, not specifically targeted at you. I apologize if I offended.0 -
And there's the bashing. Why do you assume that someone who doesn't eat clean must only eat crap?OTE:
I don't post much, but have stalked these boards for quite a while and the clean-eating bashing is a big turn-off for me personally. These are the reasons I choose to eat "cleaner":
1. I enjoy cooking
2. I want to know where as many elements of my food come from as possible
3. I want to maintain the energy to sustain an active lifestyle
4. I want good skin, hair, and teeth
5. I want good digestion
6. I want to set a good example for my children
7. I don't want to rely on supplements or medications
8. I don't want to feel bad if I chose to have some candy
9. When I know better, I do better
Of course all of this is subjective, but the great thing is I don't have to rely on anyone else's experiences but my own. I don't have to quantify or qualify or justify. Period.
And those who choose not to eat clean get the same results...that is not relegated to "clean" eaters.
And we don't bash clean eaters for their choices the bashing happens when they tell someone new that it is the only way to lose weight and be healthy. That is false and misleading and can and will lead to the downfall of those who really don't understand what they are being told...most people go gung ho and end up binging on the stuff they are deprived of when they don't have to be deprived.
Choosing to have candy and not feeling bad? how is that only for a clean eater?
Here's exactly what I mean. Why do you feel the need to respond to a post all about me? I did not make one reference to those who don't eat clean. I only reported what clean eating (and living, by the way) has done for me.
I'm not foolish enough to make statements about "most, all, or none" because I know that any statement using those words should be backed up with evidence, not opinion.
I stated that I eat clean (most of the time) so that I can enjoy my occasional treat because I personally would feel like crap if all I ate was crap.0 -
He ate oatmeal, a ham & Cheese omelette, a meatball sub from Subway, and whole grains, meat, and vegetables for dinner. So he swapped out the pizza for a (1000 calorie) fast food sub, and swapped out French toast and pancakes for oatmeal. I'm not really seeing how it's that much cleaner, regardless of what the article says, the food speaks for itself.
Heh? He went from eating lots of home cooked food and fast food (assuming the pizza was probably delivery) everyday to eating lots of home cooked food and fast food every day. What exactly changed? That he's eating foods that fit his macros better?
Yes! He should be the poster boy:)
Considering Michael Phelps admits to eating a mostly "dirty" diet (of 12,000 calories a day) and has more gold medals and total medals than any individual in the history of the Olympics ever, I'd say he's the poster boy for proving that "clean eating" is an unnecessary approach for health and fitness.Lets take a fitness approach....would an athlete training for an event....Lets say Michael Phelps (or anyone you choose) be better eating a so called "clean diet" or would he just train eating a not so clean diet (fast food)? Just want to see everyones opinions:)
May I recommend this photo of him for our poster? with the caption of dirty eater or soemthing preferably quoted from an interview he did? so as to remain kosher?
READ IT AND WEEP, BOYS!
http://news.menshealth.com/michael-phelps-diet/
There is some gray area afterall!
Wow, we apparently read a different article - I will save myself the multiple cut and pastes and just end with this:
"Cleaner, healthier calories are easier for your body to use as fuel, he explains. “It’s like putting higher octane fuel in a car—I run better when I eat better." Yep, he said the dreaded "C:" word! Cleaner! and yep, he said it was healthier. Wow. Just wow.
Edit: BTW - I was the first person to say that he should eat whatever he wants and that as an elite athlete his eating habits were irrelevant to most of us. Someone else erroneously made him a poster boy for "dirty" eating. And Chelle, as always, you have a great sense of humor.
We all see what we want to see, don't we? You choose to focus on what was reported that he eats. Chelle focuses on his last Olympic performance, and I quoted what he said. And it all fit our WOE and thinking quite well, didn't it? I think that is my point, about the all or nothing, black and white false dichotomy at work here. It is just a whole lotta gray...0 -
I don't post much, but have stalked these boards for quite a while and the clean-eating bashing is a big turn-off for me personally. These are the reasons I choose to eat "cleaner":
1. I enjoy cooking
2. I want to know where as many elements of my food come from as possible
3. I want to maintain the energy to sustain an active lifestyle
4. I want good skin, hair, and teeth
5. I want good digestion
6. I want to set a good example for my children
7. I don't want to rely on supplements or medications
8. I don't want to feel bad if I chose to have some candy
9. When I know better, I do better
Of course all of this is subjective, but the great thing is I don't have to rely on anyone else's experiences but my own. I don't have to quantify or qualify or justify. Period.
And those who choose not to eat clean get the same results...that is not relegated to "clean" eaters.
And we don't bash clean eaters for their choices the bashing happens when they tell someone new that it is the only way to lose weight and be healthy. That is false and misleading and can and will lead to the downfall of those who really don't understand what they are being told...most people go gung ho and end up binging on the stuff they are deprived of when they don't have to be deprived.
Choosing to have candy and not feeling bad? how is that only for a clean eater?
[\quote]
Here's exactly what I mean. Why do you feel the need to respond to a post all about me? I did not make one reference to those who don't eat clean. I only reported what clean eating (and living, by the way) has done for me.
I'm not foolish enough to make statements about "most, all, or none" because I know that any statement using those words should be backed up with evidence, not opinion.
I stated that I eat clean (most of the time) so that I can enjoy my occasional treat because I personally would feel like crap if all I ate was crap.
Because you said clean eating bashing is a big turn off and I pointed out we don't bash clean eaters we bash the fallacy that it is the only way to eat to lose weight or if you don't eat clean you will not be healthy. Which I bolded...
I did not bash you or your choices just pointed out they are not just results of clean eating but can happen even if you don't "eat clean".
PS post on a public forum expect someone to possibly read it, even quote it there is no automomy here.
Wait. People can read and quote what I say here?!
Wonder if that's why I get so many angry PM's...0 -
Yesterday is sorely lacking the aforementioned Twinkies or Zingers though. Oh no, starvation mode!Sure, why not...
...even though the sequel is (almost) never better than the original.
ETA: "Clean" adherents, behold and tremble in fear: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
(...and scroll back a few days if you're really brave.)
I liked Thor 2 better than the original.
Your diary looks delicious.
I haven't had a Twinkie or Zinger in decades...
...which means I'm way overdue for one.
(Could someone remind me how many days off my expected lifespan each one of these is? I like to be fully informed about my food choices.)0 -
Personally I hate the whole label of "clean" for certain foods. It creates a dichotomy of good and bad foods. There are also way too many definitions of what it means to be clean.
Is a salad from McDonalds clean?
Is a cake I made from scratch with flour, eggs, butter and sugar clean?
Is protein powder (I know many self proclaimed clean eaters who consume this) a clean food?
I think the healthiest and most balanced approach when deciding whether to eat a food is to ask two questions
1. Does it fit in my calorie budget and allow me to get nutrition for the day. Personally I think adequate protein and fiber are the biggest considerations in this.
2. How does it make me feel when I eat it?
Question 2 is a highly personal one. I try to fill my diet with the most satisfying food that makes me feel the best and still puts me in a good place in terms of my protein and fiber. I eat a pretty wide variety of food so I don't worry too much about different vitamins. A lot of my food ends up being on the clean eaters list but its not something I specifically strive for. I don't feel like the source of my nutrition is as important as the nutrition itself.
I also want to mention that you can have poor nutrition and be overweight eating "clean" or "dirty" foods. I grew up with health nut parents who were all about being organic and eating whole foods. I just ate way too much quantity and went for the starchy and calorie dense options. I always had the ability to put away a lot of calories no matter which type of food they were from. Also all the restriction growing up made me gorge on junk food when I had the opportunity. I struggled for many years with the issue of "good" and "bad" food. I am happy to say that I have finally reached a more balanced approach. I focus on portion sizes and try to look at my diet overall instead of focusing on demonizing certain foods.0 -
My advice is... do what makes you happiest. Do what makes you feel the best. And stop worrying so much about doing what everyone is telling you to do.
Except that I want optimal health...or at least near-optimal health. I simply don't believe my dietary choices are significantly sub-optimal. Some believe they are. I believe those people are wrong. I am not alone in this belief...
...which brings us to threads like this.0 -
An extensive 20 second google search reveals that only deep fried Twinkies will shorten your expected lifespan. There appears to be no current research on Zingers.
Yesterday is sorely lacking the aforementioned Twinkies or Zingers though. Oh no, starvation mode!Sure, why not...
...even though the sequel is (almost) never better than the original.
ETA: "Clean" adherents, behold and tremble in fear: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
(...and scroll back a few days if you're really brave.)
I liked Thor 2 better than the original.
Your diary looks delicious.
I haven't had a Twinkie or Zinger in decades...
...which means I'm way overdue for one.
(Could someone remind me how many days off my expected lifespan each one of these is? I like to be fully informed about my food choices.)
http://lifestyle.ca.msn.com/real-life/inner-you/hearst-gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=23414516&page=110 -
He ate oatmeal, a ham & Cheese omelette, a meatball sub from Subway, and whole grains, meat, and vegetables for dinner. So he swapped out the pizza for a (1000 calorie) fast food sub, and swapped out French toast and pancakes for oatmeal. I'm not really seeing how it's that much cleaner, regardless of what the article says, the food speaks for itself.
Heh? He went from eating lots of home cooked food and fast food (assuming the pizza was probably delivery) everyday to eating lots of home cooked food and fast food every day. What exactly changed? That he's eating foods that fit his macros better?
Yes! He should be the poster boy:)
Considering Michael Phelps admits to eating a mostly "dirty" diet (of 12,000 calories a day) and has more gold medals and total medals than any individual in the history of the Olympics ever, I'd say he's the poster boy for proving that "clean eating" is an unnecessary approach for health and fitness.Lets take a fitness approach....would an athlete training for an event....Lets say Michael Phelps (or anyone you choose) be better eating a so called "clean diet" or would he just train eating a not so clean diet (fast food)? Just want to see everyones opinions:)
May I recommend this photo of him for our poster? with the caption of dirty eater or soemthing preferably quoted from an interview he did? so as to remain kosher?
READ IT AND WEEP, BOYS!
http://news.menshealth.com/michael-phelps-diet/
There is some gray area afterall!
Wow, we apparently read a different article - I will save myself the multiple cut and pastes and just end with this:
"Cleaner, healthier calories are easier for your body to use as fuel, he explains. “It’s like putting higher octane fuel in a car—I run better when I eat better." Yep, he said the dreaded "C:" word! Cleaner! and yep, he said it was healthier. Wow. Just wow.
Edit: BTW - I was the first person to say that he should eat whatever he wants and that as an elite athlete his eating habits were irrelevant to most of us. Someone else erroneously made him a poster boy for "dirty" eating. And Chelle, as always, you have a great sense of humor.
We all see what we want to see, don't we? You choose to focus on what was reported that he eats. Chelle focuses on his last Olympic performance, and I quoted what he said. And it all fit our WOE and thinking quite well, didn't it? I think that is my point, about the all or nothing, black and white false dichotomy at work here. It is just a whole lotta gray...
Just curious..... Does the 1000 calories of the footlong Subway marinara meatball sub represent anything you would call clean food???0 -
My advice is... do what makes you happiest. Do what makes you feel the best. And stop worrying so much about doing what everyone is telling you to do.
Except that I want optimal health...or at least near-optimal health. I simply don't believe my dietary choices are significantly sub-optimal. Some believe they are. I believe those people are wrong. I am not alone in this belief...
...which brings us to threads like this.
You're cute. 0 -
Sure, why not...
...even though the sequel is (almost) never better than the original.
ETA: "Clean" adherents, behold and tremble in fear: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
(...and scroll back a few days if you're really brave.)
Why, I don't get it. What is wrong with the food you eat? Most of it looked just fine to me. And if you are happy with it and your weight loss, who cares? I am sorry to disappoint, but it hardly provokes fear.
A false and stupid dichotomy has been created here and it is getting a bit ridiculous. And the self-righteousness is every bit contagious on both sides.
Apparently my post wasn't specifically for you.
Obviously, it didn't have my name on it. I still don't understand what is wrong with your diary and what you eat. And why anyone should fear it. The other was a ramble in general, not specifically targeted at you. I apologize if I offended.
I don't understand what is wrong with it either...
...and yet during my time on MFP I have read many MANY posts (some even directed at me) indicating those same foods in my diary will cause diabetes, cancer, shortened lifespan, sub-optimal performance, etc.0 -
My advice is... do what makes you happiest. Do what makes you feel the best. And stop worrying so much about doing what everyone is telling you to do.
Except that I want optimal health...or at least near-optimal health. I simply don't believe my dietary choices are significantly sub-optimal. Some believe they are. I believe those people are wrong. I am not alone in this belief...
...which brings us to threads like this.
You're cute.
^this...
...but some would probably say I'd be cuter if I ate clean.0 -
Wait. People can read and quote what I say here?!
Wonder if that's why I get so many angry PM's...
How come i don't get angry PM's???? I am such a loser. *Insert L on forehead*
edited for a loser spelling mistake0 -
Sure, why not...
...even though the sequel is (almost) never better than the original.
ETA: "Clean" adherents, behold and tremble in fear: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
(...and scroll back a few days if you're really brave.)
Why, I don't get it. What is wrong with the food you eat? Most of it looked just fine to me. And if you are happy with it and your weight loss, who cares? I am sorry to disappoint, but it hardly provokes fear.
A false and stupid dichotomy has been created here and it is getting a bit ridiculous. And the self-righteousness is every bit contagious on both sides.
Apparently my post wasn't specifically for you.
Obviously, it didn't have my name on it. I still don't understand what is wrong with your diary and what you eat. And why anyone should fear it. The other was a ramble in general, not specifically targeted at you. I apologize if I offended.
I don't understand what is wrong with it either...
...and yet during my time on MFP I have read many MANY posts (some even directed at me) indicating those same foods in my diary will cause diabetes, cancer, shortened lifespan, sub-optimal performance, etc.
Your diary looks like a "clean eater". When you referenced it in the last thread, I thought your point was that you noticeably ate "clean". But apparently you think it looks noticeably "un-clean". Cool beans.0
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