Motivation or "hate speech"?
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I cannot see why Maria Kang's post was removed or access to her account temporarily denied. If that's what passes for hate speech today then it's only a matter of time before all forms of social media are shut down. Ridiculous.
I agree with her premise that obese people will be less inclined to lose weight if its portrayed in the media as the norm. And that childhood obesity starts in the home.0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
So you're telling me that you don't have any "Me time" I work pretty much a full time job, have 2 kids, 2 businesses on the side, a hubby and a house to clean, I still manage to workout an hour every day. I have time to facebook and MFP, I have time to workout. So your excuse is you would rather sit on MFP then workout? Lose an hour of sleep, stop playing online for an hour, you have that extra hour, what you choose to do with it, is up to you.
I have a friend who works a whole lot harder then I do and makes time to workout, it's all about how you priorities things.0 -
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Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
So you're telling me that you don't have any "Me time" I work pretty much a full time job, have 2 kids, 2 businesses on the side, a hubby and a house to clean, I still manage to workout an hour every day. I have time to facebook and MFP, I have time to workout. So your excuse is you would rather sit on MFP then workout? Lose an hour of sleep, stop playing online for an hour, you have that extra hour, what you choose to do with it, is up to you.
I have a friend who works a whole lot harder then I do and makes time to workout, it's all about how you priorities things.
No, that's not what she's telling you.0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
So you're telling me that you don't have any "Me time" I work pretty much a full time job, have 2 kids, 2 businesses on the side, a hubby and a house to clean, I still manage to workout an hour every day. I have time to facebook and MFP, I have time to workout. So your excuse is you would rather sit on MFP then workout? Lose an hour of sleep, stop playing online for an hour, you have that extra hour, what you choose to do with it, is up to you.
I have a friend who works a whole lot harder then I do and makes time to workout, it's all about how you priorities things.
No, that's not what she's telling you.
Smart *kitten*! She's telling the thread!0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
So you're telling me that you don't have any "Me time" I work pretty much a full time job, have 2 kids, 2 businesses on the side, a hubby and a house to clean, I still manage to workout an hour every day. I have time to facebook and MFP, I have time to workout. So your excuse is you would rather sit on MFP then workout? Lose an hour of sleep, stop playing online for an hour, you have that extra hour, what you choose to do with it, is up to you.
I have a friend who works a whole lot harder then I do and makes time to workout, it's all about how you priorities things.
No, that's not what she's telling you.
Smart *kitten*! She's telling the thread!
:laugh:
No I mean, she's not saying she doesn't have time. She's saying that she has physical limitations. She works out as much as she can without flaring. (She's on my friend list and we share some of the same health conditions)0 -
Well she's an extreme version of healthy, criticising everyone who is an extreme version of unhealthy as well as everyone in the middle. She knows she looks good and that others wish they looked like her, yet rather than shutting up and getting on with her life as a quiet role model she shouts her opinion from the rooftops. I find her incredibly offputting and don't think she's a motivational role model at all0
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Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
So you're telling me that you don't have any "Me time" I work pretty much a full time job, have 2 kids, 2 businesses on the side, a hubby and a house to clean, I still manage to workout an hour every day. I have time to facebook and MFP, I have time to workout. So your excuse is you would rather sit on MFP then workout? Lose an hour of sleep, stop playing online for an hour, you have that extra hour, what you choose to do with it, is up to you.
I have a friend who works a whole lot harder then I do and makes time to workout, it's all about how you priorities things.
No, that's not what she's telling you.
Smart *kitten*! She's telling the thread!
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No I mean, she's not saying she doesn't have time. She's saying that she has physical limitations. She works out as much as she can without flaring. (She's on my friend list and we share some of the same health conditions)
Ahh, my bad.0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
I won't argue with you...because I know how pointless that is...
...but at least acknowledge that you can't workout an hour a day right now. Perhaps with a few different choices in your future, you'll be able to.
One day when I choose to be healed of my heart condition, then I can and will.
My point wasn't to be argument active but to remind everyone, that blanket statements are not always the best. Not everyone is healthy (and the illness is. to always relative to better choices, soMetimes our bodies just don,t work right)
It depresses me often that my health limits me and there is nothing I can do about it.
And, with the hypoglycemia, No, I can NOT skip a meal unless I want to pass out. Been there, done that
Sorry to be a nuisance, just having a super bad week..month.
Says can't work out but blogs about doing SL5x5. Is a success story.
I understand you have health issues but your successes that I see, that anyone can see, with your ticker or pictures demonstrate that yes, even someone with health issues can be a success story.
Because that is what you are. :flowerforyou:0 -
I don't find her an inspiration at all. Just like the various Hollywood stars that have a kid and are back to their size 0 clothes within 4 weeks of giving birth are not at all inspirational to me. Do I hate them? No, but I don't want to be like them either.
Even if I'd make a concentrated effort I wouldn't look like this and it's not realistic for me to assume that anything short of plastic surgery would get me there. It's not an excuse, it's reality. Do I try to be the best me that I can be? Absolutely
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Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
I won't argue with you...because I know how pointless that is...
...but at least acknowledge that you can't workout an hour a day right now. Perhaps with a few different choices in your future, you'll be able to.
One day when I choose to be healed of my heart condition, then I can and will.
My point wasn't to be argument active but to remind everyone, that blanket statements are not always the best. Not everyone is healthy (and the illness is. to always relative to better choices, soMetimes our bodies just don,t work right)
It depresses me often that my health limits me and there is nothing I can do about it.
And, with the hypoglycemia, No, I can NOT skip a meal unless I want to pass out. Been there, done that
Sorry to be a nuisance, just having a super bad week..month.
Says can't work out but blogs about doing SL5x5. Is a success story.
I understand you have health issues but your successes that I see, that anyone can see, with your ticker or pictures demonstrate that yes, even someone with health issues can be a success story.
Because that is what you are. :flowerforyou:
I completely agree. Kimberly, you should be proud of all you have accomplished and continue to accomplish.0 -
I was going to work out for an hour, an hour ago. Then I read this entire thread.
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It's not hate speech. Motivating? I guess that depends on the person. I think she comes off a little arrogant though I do understand the whole, "stop making excuses," mentality. Sometimes it's all about how you deliver the message.0
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Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
Just curious, do you have cable? Also, how about an hour 3-4 times a week. It doesn't even take 7 days a week to be moderately healthy.0 -
Halve the amount of time posting pointless things on Internet forums:
A window just opened up in your schedule to get your *kitten* moving.
(This is in response to earlier in the thread where someone has a "family" or something and can't workout or she'll be a bad mother and wife.... I admit I haven't read any of the rest of the thread)0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
Just curious, do you have cable? Also, how about an hour 3-4 times a week. It doesn't even take 7 days a week to be moderately healthy.
If you read a few posts above yours you'll see a little more info about her situation.
I understand that everyone saying "just make different choices" is assuming that the person to whom they're speaking is healthy and that time or priorities are the issues. But that's not the case here.
Kimberly does what she can. And I do what I can. That has to be enough for those of us who are never going to be moderately healthy.
(most of that wasn't really aimed at you skinnyfatalbert, just general thoughts on some of the comments on this page)0 -
"And, with the hypoglycemia, No, I can NOT skip a meal unless I want to pass out. Been there, done that"
So if you miss a morning meal, you pass out.
Right?
Well, what happens next? Does someone come around and force sugar down your throat?
Logically, if you pass out because of a low glucose, THEN YOU WILL DIE unless someone sees you and calls 911.
Right?
I will bet you hard cash that if you skip breakfast, your sugars remain right in the normal range.
There was a big thread on it on this board not long ago.
But throwaway lines like "I have morning hypoglycemia so I have to eat breakfast" are false and people who say them are incredibly and sadly misinformed.
Don't anyone else believe it.
Are you a doctor? Or a specialist in blood sugar issues? If not, then please do not give out medical advice, especially to someone who is under a doctor's care. It sounds like you are simply passing on info you read in another thread, written by non-professional posters. Making blanket statements like you are doing, about legitimate serious health conditions, can be possibly dangerous if someone actually listens to you and takes your advice. So please stop.0 -
"And, with the hypoglycemia, No, I can NOT skip a meal unless I want to pass out. Been there, done that"
So if you miss a morning meal, you pass out.
Right?
Well, what happens next? Does someone come around and force sugar down your throat?
Logically, if you pass out because of a low glucose, THEN YOU WILL DIE unless someone sees you and calls 911.
Right?
I will bet you hard cash that if you skip breakfast, your sugars remain right in the normal range.
There was a big thread on it on this board not long ago.
But throwaway lines like "I have morning hypoglycemia so I have to eat breakfast" are false and people who say them are incredibly and sadly misinformed.
Don't anyone else believe it.
People do pass out from low glucose. It's quite common form of a syncope. You will not generally die as the body still has glucose stores (and fat also releases plasma lipids for glucose, liver glucose stores are not fully depleted, etc. ) The faint occurs as blood pressure and rate decrease and it's actually a conservation measure. If a person faints from low sugar they might/might not recover spontaneously. Remaining unconscious or seizures is the more critical condition you are describing which requires immediate care (glucagon, etc).0 -
I think she is exactly correct that America is becoming far too tolerant of obesity. In most cases, obesity is the result of poor decisions rather than bad luck. Furthermore, it is just as harmful to individuals and society as alcoholism or smoking. People should stand up and say that obesity is not something that should be encouraged. If that makes the obese feel bad, they can do something to change. I'm not some skinny person saying this - I am still obese and have a long way to go to reach my goal.
I agree with this. While, as a fat person, I want people to see WHO I am, rather than WHAT I am, I still want to be healthy and sexy. I think she is on the right track. I also don't think there was anything wrong with the picture she posted. I guess I'm on her side.0 -
OMG! I am SO sick of these posts. Has anyone listened to her interviews? I think she is an inspiration and should be looked at as such. Shes not body shaming, if she is, then good for her! And if she is then so are the rest of us moms who have little kids and are in great shape and not afraid to tell others its time to take a look at their unhealthy lifestyle. Loving your body is becoming to broad of a term and is allowing to many people to use that as an excuse to just not get moving. Hate if you want, but it is what it is.0
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Well she does have a point in a way, we should not be promoting obesity, but the other point where she is wrong is, that group is great for making women who are plus size feel good about themselves. At the end of the day, she can't tell anyone what they should and shouldn't look like- it's the person's choice whether they want to be obese or not usually. In some circumstances, they can't help being obese because of medication and maybe a few other things. She should not hate on them and she is not the bee's knees.
She is trying to show you can still have a good body no matter how young or old your children are in that photo, it is still inappropriate though, she could of shown it in a different way. She worked on her body, good on her, but she still has no right to have a go at plus size women. These women need more help to get to their dreams and praise for doing so rather than her, because she was never in that position I'm sure.0 -
I just think this woman is getting way too much attention for the entirely the wrong things.0
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how is this thread 2 days old and 15 pages.
Sweet Jesus.
Any one who is posting on here- clearly can't say they don't have time.
Seriously.
That's just laughable.0 -
Ridiculous! That's hate speech???
Yet, when I reported a photo of a penis being strangled by a ring that someone posted (an actual penis could be seen plain and clear in the photo), I was told it didn't violate FB rules. And they pull photos of breastfeeding women when you can't even see anything but the baby's head.
I'm starting to see some misogynistic tendencies from Mr. Z.0 -
Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.
Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.0 -
Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.
Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.
This guy isn't even worth arguing with. I put him on ignore in the last thread because he kept insisting that a woman who was eating so little she was sick and faint that she just had to "get used to it" and wouldn't even consider any other point of view, that you know, maybe an ounce of almonds for a mid-afternoon snack was perfectly reasonable ...0 -
Ridiculous! That's hate speech???
Yet, when I reported a photo of a penis being strangled by a ring that someone posted (an actual penis could be seen plain and clear in the photo), I was told it didn't violate FB rules. And they pull photos of breastfeeding women when you can't even see anything but the baby's head.
I'm starting to see some misogynistic tendencies from Mr. Z.
That was one of the reasons I posted this article. I wanted to see if others thought it was a going a bit too far for FB to label that as hate speech. I couldn't see how it was hate speech, either.0 -
Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.
Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.
This guy isn't even worth arguing with. I put him on ignore in the last thread because he kept insisting that a woman who was eating so little she was sick and faint that she just had to "get used to it" and wouldn't even consider any other point of view, that you know, maybe an ounce of almonds for a mid-afternoon snack was perfectly reasonable ...
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Personally, I think it's ridiculous that she's presenting having one post taken down as being "banned from Facebook" and the media's going along with it, but it's not like we can expect reporters to pay any attention to what actually happened or anything.
Beyond that? I don't find her particularly inspiring, no. Looking like her would mean spending a lot more time on my body than I want to. But if it floats her boat, it seems harmless, and if she makes other people feel like they can get in shape, good for her.
However, I disagree that one facebook group for fat chicks to post lingerie photos is glorifying obesity. The bodies we see in the media are like 98 percent thin and "perfect," or close enough. The fact there's an alternative 2 percent that's into fat acceptance does not make it some mainstream ideal; it just means some people feel okay about their bodies in a world where so many women --even women who look like Kang -- *don't.* I have a hard time being offended by someone else's high self-esteem.0 -
Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.
Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.
This guy isn't even worth arguing with. I put him on ignore in the last thread because he kept insisting that a woman who was eating so little she was sick and faint that she just had to "get used to it" and wouldn't even consider any other point of view, that you know, maybe an ounce of almonds for a mid-afternoon snack was perfectly reasonable ...
EvgeniZyntx isn't worth arguing with or steve098?0
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