Motivation or "hate speech"?
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Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
This is the kind of thing said by lazy people.
See, that's why people are pissed.
I'm not lazy just because I don't want to waste my life trying to look like a fitness model. You do not have to look like her to be healthy. Being a size two with washboard abs does NOT equal healthy.
I don't care what other people do, but insinuating someone is "lazy" because they have different priorities is asinine.
When I die, I don't want people to say, 'well, she was a lousy mom, but DAT *kitten*'. I'd rather I was my little imperfect self with time to play with my kid and my mom and the things that are actually important to me. That means I refuse to spend an hour a day in the gym. That doesn't mean I'm lazy or gross or lack willpower.
"waste your life?"
exercising makes you "a lousy mom"?
exercising means you can't "play with your kid"?
Wow! Just, wow....
3 decent weight sessions a week, 30-40 mins each and a solid handle on your nutrition could easily get you ripped. It'll just take time and dedication. That's what I'm guessing you're lacking.
If you can't carve 90 mins out your whole week, you're doing it wrong quite frankly. Bet you spend more time than that watching crappy tv shows....0 -
If you can't carve 90 mins out your whole week, you're doing it wrong quite frankly. Bet you spend more time than that watching crappy tv shows....
Or posting on MFP.
And playing games, according to her profile. I don't know many "gamers" who spend less than 3 hours a week playing games.0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.
No, not everyone can workout an hour a day. Wish I could. But I can't.
I won't argue with you...because I know how pointless that is...
...but at least acknowledge that you can't workout an hour a day right now. Perhaps with a few different choices in your future, you'll be able to.
One day when I choose to be healed of my heart condition, then I can and will.
My point wasn't to be argument active but to remind everyone, that blanket statements are not always the best. Not everyone is healthy (and the illness is. to always relative to better choices, soMetimes our bodies just don,t work right)
It depresses me often that my health limits me and there is nothing I can do about it.
And, with the hypoglycemia, No, I can NOT skip a meal unless I want to pass out. Been there, done that
Sorry to be a nuisance, just having a super bad week..month.
Says can't work out but blogs about doing SL5x5. Is a success story.
I understand you have health issues but your successes that I see, that anyone can see, with your ticker or pictures demonstrate that yes, even someone with health issues can be a success story.
Because that is what you are. :flowerforyou:
Oh my I agree! You would be an inspiration for anyone :flowerforyou:0 -
If you can't carve 90 mins out your whole week, you're doing it wrong quite frankly. Bet you spend more time than that watching crappy tv shows....
Or posting on MFP.
And playing games, according to her profile. I don't know many "gamers" who spend less than 3 hours a week playing games.
Agreed.
It's about priorities. Being ripped like the fb lady isn't her priority. That's all she had to say. Instead she had to start up all this looking good makes you a bad mum bullsh!t.
It's typical wah, wah, wah. If you want it - go get it. If you don't want it - stop p!ssing and moaning about people who do.0 -
I have to say that I cannot stand that woman. I am a proud member of an anti-fat shaming group, and it makes me furious when women like this use fitness and health as an excuse to berate and shame women of size. The group that she is referring to (where women post pictures of themselves in lingerie) is one of many such groups that I am a member of. If she doesn't agree with what they are doing, she doesn't have to go to media outlets and provide them with quotes about how the groups are "normalizing" obesity. People can be healthy in all shapes and sizes - it's not all about BMI and weight. I know plenty of "larger" women who could outlast someone with a "healthy" BMI in long-distance running.
The way this woman chooses to voice her opinion is hateful. It is people like her that cause eating disorders and misguided notions of what is "sexy".
Don't fat shame. Don't body shame. You are beautiful regardless of your size and wonderful whether you want to change your body or not.0 -
If you can't carve 90 mins out your whole week, you're doing it wrong quite frankly. Bet you spend more time than that watching crappy tv shows....
Or posting on MFP.
And playing games, according to her profile. I don't know many "gamers" who spend less than 3 hours a week playing games.
Most "gamers" I know spend at least 3 hours a day playing games...
...which is why I had to stop being one many years ago.0 -
If you can't carve 90 mins out your whole week, you're doing it wrong quite frankly. Bet you spend more time than that watching crappy tv shows....
Or posting on MFP.
And playing games, according to her profile. I don't know many "gamers" who spend less than 3 hours a week playing games.
Most "gamers" I know spend at least 3 hours a day playing games...
...which is why I had to stop being one many years ago.
guilty that's why I try and get my workouts in first lol0 -
I have to say that I cannot stand that woman. I am a proud member of an anti-fat shaming group, and it makes me furious when women like this use fitness and health as an excuse to berate and shame women of size. The group that she is referring to (where women post pictures of themselves in lingerie) is one of many such groups that I am a member of. If she doesn't agree with what they are doing, she doesn't have to go to media outlets and provide them with quotes about how the groups are "normalizing" obesity. People can be healthy in all shapes and sizes - it's not all about BMI and weight. I know plenty of "larger" women who could outlast someone with a "healthy" BMI in long-distance running.
The way this woman chooses to voice her opinion is hateful. It is people like her that cause eating disorders and misguided notions of what is "sexy".
Don't fat shame. Don't body shame. You are beautiful regardless of your size and wonderful whether you want to change your body or not.
You think you're as "healthy" at 270 lbs as you would be at 160?
Of course not. You're here to lose weight, which is great. Presumably you realize you will be better off if you lose that weight, which is why you're here. No offense, but 270 lbs is nothing to celebrate or glorify.0 -
People can be healthy in all shapes and sizes - it's not all about BMI and weight. I know plenty of "larger" women who could outlast someone with a "healthy" BMI in long-distance running.
There are a lot of people in my life who are obese and most of them have been most of their lives. As far as I know, they're mostly healthy. My mother has had high BP and high cholesterol (though that seems to be genetic more than lifestyle related). I love them and think they are beautiful.
But not one of them, as they age, is able to enjoy life the way those of us of more healthy weights can. The excess weight causes them not to be able to doa lot of very active things that they used to do when they were younger. They get out of breath more easily. They have terrible joint pain.
I went to one of the Disney water parks a few years ago and we went several times down one waterslide that required us to carry heavy intertubes up several flights of stairs. No one going up those stairs was overweight. And I saw many middle-aged people riding around the park in scooters because they were unable to handle simply walking from ride to ride. They may well have had healthy hearts and not had diabetes (I have no way of knowing), but seeing that motivated me more than ever to continue exercising and trying to keep my weight down. I don't want to be 40 or 50 or 60 and having to ride a scooter at an amusement park. I want to be able to go up those stairs and slide down that slide when I'm that age.
So you may avoid diabetes and heart disease. Some do. But your joints are not going to fair so well as you age and continue carrying that weight around. It's a choice you have to make for yourself. But don't complain later.0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.1 hour a day in gym every day is enough to reach that kind of body. Plus counting calories, what takes like 5 min before every meal. Don't tell me people don't have that much time.
^ With the mentality people have now a days this is too much time and effort. Most want a magic pill and that is all. *SMH* I mean it does not take much for someone to at least count cals and the like if they do not have time for training. I bet time could be found by most individuals.Also, it is triggering to anyone recovering from anorexia nervosa or anorexia athletica because it makes people feel worse about themselves.Yes and alcohol advertisements trigger people who are recovering from alcohol. Flashing lights at city center at night trigger people who are epileptic. So what? Just because somebody has problems does not make rest of society responsible to threat them special. Neither it makes rest of us guilty for them having that problem. It's their job to not go where lights are flashing, not to watch alcohol ads and not starve.
^ Could not have said it any better. *Applauds*0 -
You guys can shame my weight as much as you want. But I would be just as happy staying at 315 for the rest of my life - and I would be able to enjoy it. I celebrate myself, no matter what my weight is. And I will not be ashamed of who I am and let some anonymous internet stranger tell me what weight I should be. Yes, I am here to lose weight. But that doesn't mean I will shame those who don't feel they need to, regardless of their weight. That just means you are not as confident in yourself as you think you are. 0
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Says can't work out but blogs about doing SL5x5. Is a success story.
I understand you have health issues but your successes that I see, that anyone can see, with your ticker or pictures demonstrate that yes, even someone with health issues can be a success story.
Because that is what you are. :flowerforyou:
Oh my I agree! You would be an inspiration for anyone :flowerforyou:
Thanks. Yes, I have been successful, it have been killer on me, my 5x5 is very very modified for my health, and about every 4 weeks I end up sick as a dog because of it...
On weeks that I can do SL5x5, it is just 2 days a week and I only go up 1 pound a week instead on 5 pounds a session (like the plan) Then I go back down again a little bit every 4-6 weeks.
I was NOT saying one can not succeed with health issues..
I was saying not everyone can workout 1 hour a day nor is is all about willpower and better choices all the time.0 -
You guys can shame my weight as much as you want. But I would be just as happy staying at 315 for the rest of my life - and I would be able to enjoy it. I celebrate myself, no matter what my weight is. And I will not be ashamed of who I am and let some anonymous internet stranger tell me what weight I should be. Yes, I am here to lose weight. But that doesn't mean I will shame those who don't feel they need to, regardless of their weight. That just means you are not as confident in yourself as you think you are.
No one is shaming anyone. You're trying to pretend that morbid obesity is just fine.
It's not. You know that, which is why you are here trying to lose weight.0 -
Also, my perception is that the OP does not personally think the things she stated in the OP. She was presenting two different ways of thinking about it and was actually being a little bit sarcastic when she said the negative things about the "fit mom" .
Yeah, this^ Dayum. Seriously, the reading comprehension around here sometimes, uh, leaves a lot to be desired... It's crazy how the first page is entirely focused on the one quote by the OP, which was OBVIOUSLY stated in the context of presenting 2 different viewpoints, & yes, she was being sarcastic.0 -
You're trying to pretend that morbid obesity is just fine.
It's not. You know that, which is why you are here trying to lose weight.
Don't assume you know why I'm here. I am actually here in support of a friend who wants to lose weight. As I said before, I would be just as happy to remain at the weight I'm currently at. And yes. By saying someone's weight is not "just fine," you are shaming them. I hope that you can raise your self-confidence and realize that people don't need to meet your personal definition of health to be happy and healthy.0 -
No one shamed your weight. We simple stated facts.You guys can shame my weight as much as you want. But I would be just as happy staying at 315 for the rest of my life - and I would be able to enjoy it. I celebrate myself, no matter what my weight is. And I will not be ashamed of who I am and let some anonymous internet stranger tell me what weight I should be. Yes, I am here to lose weight. But that doesn't mean I will shame those who don't feel they need to, regardless of their weight. That just means you are not as confident in yourself as you think you are.
You will NOT be able to lead an active life if you stay at that weight. Your joints WILL give out. Walking a city block will be like running a marathon at some point, only more difficult. I've watched this happen to people I know and love and it breaks my heart.
You're expressing denial.
But if you'll be perfectly happy not being able to walk a block when you're still fairly young, then that's your business. I would not be happy with that.0 -
You're trying to pretend that morbid obesity is just fine.
It's not. You know that, which is why you are here trying to lose weight.
Don't assume you know why I'm here. I am actually here in support of a friend who wants to lose weight. As I said before, I would be just as happy to remain at the weight I'm currently at. And yes. By saying someone's weight is not "just fine," you are shaming them. I hope that you can raise your self-confidence and realize that people don't need to meet your personal definition of health to be happy and healthy.
Assume?
You have a weight loss goal of about 90 pounds set and said "Yes, I am here to lose weight." Your profile says "So, I'm losing weight to find greater happiness in myself." Doesn't seem like much of an assumption :laugh:
Morbid obesity is not healthy. That's a fact, not an opinion.0 -
You guys can shame my weight as much as you want. But I would be just as happy staying at 315 for the rest of my life - and I would be able to enjoy it. I celebrate myself, no matter what my weight is. And I will not be ashamed of who I am and let some anonymous internet stranger tell me what weight I should be. Yes, I am here to lose weight. But that doesn't mean I will shame those who don't feel they need to, regardless of their weight. That just means you are not as confident in yourself as you think you are.
No one is shaming anyone. You're trying to pretend that morbid obesity is just fine.
It's not. You know that, which is why you are here trying to lose weight.
It's a lot of this. I also have a good friend who is morbidly obese. I don't give a crap what my friends look like. i do, however, care that she is so unhealthy that she is likely going to die early or suffer from a list of diseases that are weight related. Even at my current weight and size I am at a higher risk for diseases due largely to carrying too much fat around my stomach.
Society has gone way overboard with accepting overweight and obese as the new normal. Even as being 10-20 pounds overweight people look at me cross eyed when I tell them I am working on losing weight. Explaining the health benefits to me losing a few inches from my stomach and I get cross eyed.
Everyone can have a reason for not exercising. i don't care what it is. What's the excuse for not eating a balanced diet? My excuse is that I love food. And that's an EXCUSE. there is no reason I can't or shouldn't.... which is why I'm here. I do spend a lot of time at the gym - so my daughter spends some time in teh day care there. I rarely feel guilty about it. I'm sure she appreciates having an active mom much more than having a mom who can't move in 5 years.
I'm also sure that at her age (7) other kids would notice if I was too big and she would be questioned why she has a fat mom. And yes that would bother me that she would be picked on for my weight.
Maria Kang is a fit mom. I don't care if it's marketing - I stand behind her 100% that MOST people who are overweight have an excuse. Even if you don't care if you are obese, the people around yo probably do as they are watching you slowly pile on the percentage chance of you developing and possibly dying from, a weight related disease.
There is way too much to say on this topic....0 -
You're trying to pretend that morbid obesity is just fine.
It's not. You know that, which is why you are here trying to lose weight.
Don't assume you know why I'm here. I am actually here in support of a friend who wants to lose weight. As I said before, I would be just as happy to remain at the weight I'm currently at. And yes. By saying someone's weight is not "just fine," you are shaming them. I hope that you can raise your self-confidence and realize that people don't need to meet your personal definition of health to be happy and healthy.
Tell us that a Dr told you that it's "just fine" to be at your current weight. You may be confident in your size - and that's fine - but you aren't healthy.
Nor am I. But I don't claim to be. I can run a marathon, I can run a half marathon at a sub 8:00 mile. I'm still not healthy yet.
You can be happy wiht your size but you need to also be aware of the facts.0 -
OMG.
YOU CANNOT BE OBESE AND HEALTHY AT THE SAME TIME.
It's be definition impossible.See, that's why people are pissed.
I'm not lazy just because I don't want to waste my life trying to look like a fitness model. You do not have to look like her to be healthy. Being a size two with washboard abs does NOT equal healthy.
I don't care what other people do, but insinuating someone is "lazy" because they have different priorities is asinine.
When I die, I don't want people to say, 'well, she was a lousy mom, but DAT *kitten*'. I'd rather I was my little imperfect self with time to play with my kid and my mom and the things that are actually important to me. That means I refuse to spend an hour a day in the gym. That doesn't mean I'm lazy or gross or lack willpower.
waste of life? really? so if she said she didn't want to waste her life doing "the things that are important to YOU" how would you feel? Clearly it's important to her- therefore- it's not a waste of life.
Secondly- most people ARE lazy. We aren't in this because everyone is super motivated- we wouldn't be here if they were. And what's crazy- here's the truly crazy thing- it doesn't take THAT much work to get there- it takes time and dedication to "the cause" but the actual work is not that hard.
Work out 2-3 times a week- drop body fat percentage.
It's not like it's a full time job- or even a part time job.0 -
You guys can shame my weight as much as you want. But I would be just as happy staying at 315 for the rest of my life - and I would be able to enjoy it. I celebrate myself, no matter what my weight is. And I will not be ashamed of who I am and let some anonymous internet stranger tell me what weight I should be. Yes, I am here to lose weight. But that doesn't mean I will shame those who don't feel they need to, regardless of their weight. That just means you are not as confident in yourself as you think you are.
We have to find a good balance between two very different messages. First, you can be a good, self-loving person and be over weight, even morbidly so. So, we have to find ways to affirm the people we know, and love, for who they are. There is no room for shaming people for their weight no matter what that weight is.
Second, it is equally important that we do not enable the behavior and attitudes that it is AOK to be over weight. No matter what anyone says, no more nees to be medically demonstrated that being overweight will shorten a person's life and increase their need for medical intervention. Even if a person says, "It is my choice" they are in denial of the wider social impact of carrying way too much weight.0 -
I'd like to point out that saying someone is grossly over weight isn't fat shaming.
It can easily be a fact. And we can be friends with such people-and not think less of them really- but we can still understand and be cogitative of the fact they are grossly over weight. Understand a fact is not anywhere remotely close to fat shaming.0 -
So it's true then, EVERYTHING is now considered shaming. That's what I feared we had come to and this page of this thread definitely confirms it.
I'd say "best of luck to everyone in their weight loss and fitness goals" but even that can be taken as shaming now. I'm surprised I haven't gotten a strike already for making such blatant assumptions0 -
So it's true then, EVERYTHING is now considered shaming. That's what I feared we had come to and this page of this thread definitely confirms it.
I'd say "best of luck to everyone in their weight loss and fitness goals" but even that can be taken as shaming now. I'm surprised I haven't gotten a strike already for making such blatant assumptions
the world is full of new and wonderful people you haven't yet met waiting to be offended by something you said.0 -
Very good class!
Go to the index and look up "hypoglycemia" and then look for subheadings under "breakfast."
Probably won't find anything.
But read up on glucose and glycogen. Use the index.
Even an old Guyton's is a goodie.
Why?
Because you won't find any nonsense in it.
All the facts are based on the best available research and has been thoroughly vetted by the medical establishment.
If any speculative things are in it, they will label it as such.
I will change my opinion on anything if there is evidence to support it.
Especially morning hypoglycemia in an otherwise healthy adult, not taking diabetic medicine, that causes her to lose consciousness.
So dig in and prove me wrong!
Class?
Again, please tell us about your education, training, and experience in the field of medicine.0 -
You're trying to pretend that morbid obesity is just fine.
It's not. You know that, which is why you are here trying to lose weight.
Don't assume you know why I'm here. I am actually here in support of a friend who wants to lose weight. As I said before, I would be just as happy to remain at the weight I'm currently at. And yes. By saying someone's weight is not "just fine," you are shaming them. I hope that you can raise your self-confidence and realize that people don't need to meet your personal definition of health to be happy and healthy.Yes, I am here to lose weight
So you are here to support a friend AND lose weight, by your own words.
Like I said upstream, I believe that self confidence is a positive factor in losing weight and an important thing to have independently.
I can also state factually that being overweight or obese carries significant additional health risks and limits certain activities and possibilities without it being an act of shaming.
If I direct it specifically at you and make a value judgement of what should make you happy or not, yes, I'm out of line.
If as a professional working in health care in areas annex to cardiovascular disease, diabetes, nutrition, etc it is not shaming to state that a weight is not fine with regards to general health. Whether you wish to attach emotional content to that is your business, your weight does not define you for me as a whole except within the specific discussion of where weight does define the individual interactions - would I take an obese person on a 3500M climb? No way.
On a Sunday bicycle ride (even a 70 km one)? Without a doubt, but with some consideration for ability - as likely as the consideration of ability for a newbie rider. Will they make it?
Weight matters, and it matters more or less based on the facet one considers - not a define all.
I'd suggest that very few people here weight shame.0 -
Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:
Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?
I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.
Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.
I'm oooold.
This was my textbook.
Yours doesn't even have a Hall! Must be old :laugh:
Very good class!
Go to the index and look up "hypoglycemia" and then look for subheadings under "breakfast."
Probably won't find anything.
But read up on glucose and glycogen. Use the index.
Even an old Guyton's is a goodie.
Why?
Because you won't find any nonsense in it.
All the facts are based on the best available research and has been thoroughly vetted by the medical establishment.
If any speculative things are in it, they will label it as such.
I will change my opinion on anything if there is evidence to support it.
Especially morning hypoglycemia in an otherwise healthy adult, not taking diabetic medicine, that causes her to lose consciousness.
So dig in and prove me wrong!
But again, even if you are correct (and the smart money is on EvgeniZyntx) the specific poster you referenced is not "otherwise healthy."0 -
Actually sounds more like you won't tell us because you have no relevant education or experience.
In which case you should stop giving medical advice.0 -
I mean, this woman clearly hates everyone who doesn't have a perfect body just like hers, right?
That's an outright lie.
Why are you misrepresenting a fellow human being like this?
THIS. I think people need to put their big-kid panties on. People are so thin-skinned these days looking for a reason to be offended about ANYthing and EVERYthing. geez. People's be cray-cray. it's the internet, people. aye-yi-yi.0 -
I mean, this woman clearly hates everyone who doesn't have a perfect body just like hers, right?
That's an outright lie.
Why are you misrepresenting a fellow human being like this?
THIS. I think people need to put their big-kid panties on. People are so thin-skinned these days looking for a reason to be offended about ANYthing and EVERYthing. geez. People's be cray-cray. it's the internet, people. aye-yi-yi.
LULZ agreed.
I feel like a bunch of people completely forgot to pick up their sarcasm readers this past weekend. Seriously.0
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