Motivation or "hate speech"?
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Steve098. Sorry. :-)Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.
Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.
This guy isn't even worth arguing with. I put him on ignore in the last thread because he kept insisting that a woman who was eating so little she was sick and faint that she just had to "get used to it" and wouldn't even consider any other point of view, that you know, maybe an ounce of almonds for a mid-afternoon snack was perfectly reasonable ...
EvgeniZyntx isn't worth arguing with or steve098?0 -
Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.
Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.
References?
Studies?
We are talking healthy adults with weight issues here.
Pediatrics- well, let me just say that there are probably NO kids on glucose supplements to prevent "idiopathic" morning hypoglycemia.
The physiology involving glucose metabolism evolved over hundreds of millions of years.
A situation where not eating breakfast caused UNCONSCIOUSNESS would mean the organism would probably die at some point, and well before puberty where they could pass on their defective gene set.
People faint all the time from panic attacks. Doesn't mean their glucose is low.
References for ketotic hypolgycemia? Srs?
But sure -
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/921936-overview#showall
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/11/4080
When glucose is tested and the result is low glucose, then it isn't "panic attack".
Insulinoma as a possible cause
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20930440
Dawn phenomena
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22548951
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24265365
Nocturnal hypoglycemia
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23883408
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/198335770 -
Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.
Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.
References?
Studies?
We are talking healthy adults with weight issues here.
Pediatrics- well, let me just say that there are probably NO kids on glucose supplements to prevent "idiopathic" morning hypoglycemia.
The physiology involving glucose metabolism evolved over hundreds of millions of years.
A situation where not eating breakfast caused UNCONSCIOUSNESS would mean the organism would probably die at some point, and well before puberty where they could pass on their defective gene set.
People faint all the time from panic attacks. Doesn't mean their glucose is low.
She's not a healthy adult with weight issues.
She's an adult with health problems and her weight is in the healthy range.0 -
"And, with the hypoglycemia, No, I can NOT skip a meal unless I want to pass out. Been there, done that"
So if you miss a morning meal, you pass out.
Right?
Well, what happens next? Does someone come around and force sugar down your throat?
Logically, if you pass out because of a low glucose, THEN YOU WILL DIE unless someone sees you and calls 911.
Right?
I will bet you hard cash that if you skip breakfast, your sugars remain right in the normal range.
There was a big thread on it on this board not long ago.
But throwaway lines like "I have morning hypoglycemia so I have to eat breakfast" are false and people who say them are incredibly and sadly misinformed.
Don't anyone else believe it.
Are you a doctor? Or a specialist in blood sugar issues? If not, then please do not give out medical advice, especially to someone who is under a doctor's care. It sounds like you are simply passing on info you read in another thread, written by non-professional posters. Making blanket statements like you are doing, about legitimate serious health conditions, can be possibly dangerous if someone actually listens to you and takes your advice. So please stop.
Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:
Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?0 -
Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:
Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?
I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.0 -
Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.
So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!
Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.
Are YOU a doctor?
People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.
How come?
What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.
Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.
Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.
This guy isn't even worth arguing with. I put him on ignore in the last thread because he kept insisting that a woman who was eating so little she was sick and faint that she just had to "get used to it" and wouldn't even consider any other point of view, that you know, maybe an ounce of almonds for a mid-afternoon snack was perfectly reasonable ...
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A complete misrepresentation.
Here are a couple of myths that folks should mull over today:
“Hunger is my body telling me that I need to eat.” Not true. Hunger is a complex sensation that reflects more on the state of the stomach and the levels of blood nutrients than anything else. Additionally, the sensation is influenced by many other parts of the brain with a significant psych overlay. Rarely, if at all, does hunger signal that food is immediately needed to provide calories to the body.
“I need to eat in the morning in order to get my metabolic machinery going and keep my glucose from going too low.” Not true. Glucose is very tightly regulated by the body. If the serum glucose drops to low-normal levels, the storage form of glucose, glycogen, is broken down for glucose. The body has an 8-12 hour supply of glycogen on hand most of the time. If glycogen stores run low the body makes glucose from amino acids, with adequate glucose levels being able to be maintained for days if not weeks. In fact, there is no physiologic reason to eat a morning meal. The concept of starting up “metabolic machinery” in the morning is nonsensical.
Your herring is red.
No one here is arguing that hunger is not a complex signal nor has someone suggested that glucose isn't tightly regulated. However, for some individuals (pre-diabetic, other syndromes and medical conditions) hypoglycemia can occur, isn't as "instant deadly" as you suggest (i.e. that regulation sometimes kicks in after a faint - epinephrine release activates glucagon mediated glucose release, etc.). It is a clinical sign to be respected not just "panic attacks".
In the simplest terms,
1) it case of a faint, it is generally accepted to provide a little sugar and see if the malaise goes away in 15 mins or so,
2) in case unconciousness remains, seizures or continued signs of malaise we still tested for plasma glucose levels and provide glucose when these are low.0 -
Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:
Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?
I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.
Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.0 -
I don't remember the name of the book, but I remember that conversation quite clearly, so probably.Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:
Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?
I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.
Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.0 -
This woman is obviously a complete as*****. The poster itself is fine, whatever it's actually pretty catchy, but she shouldn't get jealous of other women getting attention, and a lot of the plus size models are ten times healthier than her skinny *kitten*. They are nearly always actually within a healthy weight, we are just becoming a stupid society. Ah yea dying of anorexia, under eating and looking like a meth addict is fine, but God forbid a cm of fat on the hips! That's unhealthy!0
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Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:
Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?
I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.
Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.
I'm oooold.
This was my textbook.
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Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:
Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?
I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.
Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.
I'm oooold.
This was my textbook.
Yours doesn't even have a Hall! Must be old :laugh:0 -
You know this how?a lot of the plus size models are ten times healthier than her skinny *kitten*.
If you think that woman looks like someone who suffers from anorexia or is addicted to meth, you have an extremely distorted idea of a healthy weight.Ah yea dying of anorexia, under eating and looking like a meth addict is fine
Though I agree a lot of "plus-sized" models are at healthy weights, since in the modeling industry, "plus-sized" started at size 6. They, however, in the real world are NOT plus-sized.
The woman in the original photo would probably in the workld of fashion moodeling be considered plus-sized herself. She looks healthy to me.0 -
The only one on meth here is you. Jeez.This woman is obviously a complete as*****. The poster itself is fine, whatever it's actually pretty catchy, but she shouldn't get jealous of other women getting attention, and a lot of the plus size models are ten times healthier than her skinny *kitten*. They are nearly always actually within a healthy weight, we are just becoming a stupid society. Ah yea dying of anorexia, under eating and looking like a meth addict is fine, but God forbid a cm of fat on the hips! That's unhealthy!0 -
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I think she is exactly correct that America is becoming far too tolerant of obesity. In most cases, obesity is the result of poor decisions rather than bad luck. Furthermore, it is just as harmful to individuals and society as alcoholism or smoking. People should stand up and say that obesity is not something that should be encouraged. If that makes the obese feel bad, they can do something to change. I'm not some skinny person saying this - I am still obese and have a long way to go to reach my goal.
Agreed^^^
People should take responsibility for themselves.0 -
*snort* :laugh:0 -
Where's your proof of all of the plus size models who are ten times healthier than her? You also insinuate that she has eating disorders and is not within a healthy weight. Again, where's that coming from? I'm not defending her necessarily, but statements like those you made are not productive.This woman is obviously a complete as*****. The poster itself is fine, whatever it's actually pretty catchy, but she shouldn't get jealous of other women getting attention, and a lot of the plus size models are ten times healthier than her skinny *kitten*. They are nearly always actually within a healthy weight, we are just becoming a stupid society. Ah yea dying of anorexia, under eating and looking like a meth addict is fine, but God forbid a cm of fat on the hips! That's unhealthy!0 -
I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.0
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I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.
that's the way MFP works, isn't it?0 -
I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.
It was temporary; probably automatic based on how many people reported it.
She was unbanned shortly after.0 -
I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.
that's the way MFP works, isn't it?
I think this was on facebook0 -
I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.
It was temporary; probably automatic based on how many people reported it.
She was unbanned shortly after.
ah I see then new question why is this news??? lol She isn't really even a celebrity not that I even care about them either lol I think CBS is determined to demonize this woman lol0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
This is the kind of thing said by lazy people.
See, that's why people are pissed.
I'm not lazy just because I don't want to waste my life trying to look like a fitness model. You do not have to look like her to be healthy. Being a size two with washboard abs does NOT equal healthy.
I don't care what other people do, but insinuating someone is "lazy" because they have different priorities is asinine.
When I die, I don't want people to say, 'well, she was a lousy mom, but DAT *kitten*'. I'd rather I was my little imperfect self with time to play with my kid and my mom and the things that are actually important to me. That means I refuse to spend an hour a day in the gym. That doesn't mean I'm lazy or gross or lack willpower.0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
This is the kind of thing said by lazy people.
See, that's why people are pissed.
I'm not lazy just because I don't want to waste my life trying to look like a fitness model. You do not have to look like her to be healthy. Being a size two with washboard abs does NOT equal healthy.
I don't care what other people do, but insinuating someone is "lazy" because they have different priorities is asinine.
When I die, I don't want people to say, 'well, she was a lousy mom, but DAT *kitten*'. I'd rather I was my little imperfect self with time to play with my kid and my mom and the things that are actually important to me. That means I refuse to spend an hour a day in the gym. That doesn't mean I'm lazy or gross or lack willpower.
An hour is 4% of your day you can't do that much for your health? What about 30 mins that is only 2%0 -
Thoughts?
My thoughts:
This woman is VERY skilled at marketing.0 -
You think someone who spends an hour a day exercising doesn't have time for children, parents or anything else?Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
This is the kind of thing said by lazy people.
See, that's why people are pissed.
I'm not lazy just because I don't want to waste my life trying to look like a fitness model. You do not have to look like her to be healthy. Being a size two with washboard abs does NOT equal healthy.
I don't care what other people do, but insinuating someone is "lazy" because they have different priorities is asinine.
When I die, I don't want people to say, 'well, she was a lousy mom, but DAT *kitten*'. I'd rather I was my little imperfect self with time to play with my kid and my mom and the things that are actually important to me. That means I refuse to spend an hour a day in the gym. That doesn't mean I'm lazy or gross or lack willpower.
I work full time and am trying to write a novel and somehow I still have time for my family, friends and exercise.
You may not be lazy, but you are full of excuses. If you don't want to do it, just say so.0 -
I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.
It was temporary; probably automatic based on how many people reported it.
She was unbanned shortly after.
ah I see then new question why is this news??? lol She isn't really even a celebrity not that I even care about them either lol I think CBS is determined to demonize this woman lol
genuinely proposing an answer to your question...
I suspect that someone sent out a press release with all the details of what happened.
The CBS news is one that picked it up.
Any publicity is good publicity and all that jazz.0 -
Thoughts?
My thoughts:
This woman is VERY skilled at marketing.
:flowerforyou: :drinker:0 -
Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
This is the kind of thing said by lazy people.
See, that's why people are pissed.
I'm not lazy just because I don't want to waste my life trying to look like a fitness model. You do not have to look like her to be healthy. Being a size two with washboard abs does NOT equal healthy.
I don't care what other people do, but insinuating someone is "lazy" because they have different priorities is asinine.
When I die, I don't want people to say, 'well, she was a lousy mom, but DAT *kitten*'. I'd rather I was my little imperfect self with time to play with my kid and my mom and the things that are actually important to me. That means I refuse to spend an hour a day in the gym. That doesn't mean I'm lazy or gross or lack willpower.
The whole "hour a day" thing is a total red herring.
The post for which she got temporarily banned wasn't about spending an hour a day working out to be super-ripped. It was about the growing trend of fat acceptance and normalization of obesity. Her entire point was that it's unacceptable to be obese. It doesn't take an hour a day to be a healthy weight.
And by the way, I'd rather be the awesome dad who was also in good shape and played with his kids and grandkids well into old age as opposed to the one who never exercised and was basically bedridden by 70.0 -
One more thing. Your profile says this: "I don't want to pass my bad habits on to my beautiful daughter."Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.
This is the kind of thing said by lazy people.
See, that's why people are pissed.
I'm not lazy just because I don't want to waste my life trying to look like a fitness model. You do not have to look like her to be healthy. Being a size two with washboard abs does NOT equal healthy.
I don't care what other people do, but insinuating someone is "lazy" because they have different priorities is asinine.
When I die, I don't want people to say, 'well, she was a lousy mom, but DAT *kitten*'. I'd rather I was my little imperfect self with time to play with my kid and my mom and the things that are actually important to me. That means I refuse to spend an hour a day in the gym. That doesn't mean I'm lazy or gross or lack willpower.
But you won't model good exercise habits for her?0
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