Motivation or "hate speech"?

brower47

After reading the article, I would say the OP completely misrepresented the woman in question. The woman is advocating a healthy lifestyle and she's upset by a growing movement that celebrates unhealthy ones. She doesn't hate fat people, she just hates all of the excuses people make.

well my article froze my comp before I could read it all but why did she choose to call out the plus sized women who were showing pride in thier current selves? That seemed out of line. Maybe reading on would have changed this for me?

She posted pic of herself and her three kids with a caption that read "what's your excuse?" She got a lot of flack for it. She then wrote a post complaining about the positive media coverage of an online group that encourages plus-sizewomen to post photos of themselves in lingerie to show what "real women" look like.

I hate it when people use the "real woman' tag when referring to overweight. As though the only way to be a real woman is to be fat. If that's all that there is to the controversy, then I agree with the fit mom. I didn't do any additional research to see if she'd done any type of body shaming (which I would then criticize her for).

DavPul

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

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Yes, and the rest of us hate our kids and our spouses. Because an hour apart from them 4-5 times a week is akin to abuse and neglect. Someone should call DCFS.

AllonsYtotheTardis

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

I put my husband and 2 kids above letting my heath go. Who will be there for them if I'm sick or too weak from osteoporosis? Who will be there for them when I'm too fat to actually go on any of the family adventures they want to do?

I put my kids health first by teaching by example. I find your statement offensive.

I haven't set foot in a gym in years, but I AM making time to workout.

MyChocolateDiet

After reading the article, I would say the OP completely misrepresented the woman in question. The woman is advocating a healthy lifestyle and she's upset by a growing movement that celebrates unhealthy ones. She doesn't hate fat people, she just hates all of the excuses people make.

well my article froze my comp before I could read it all but why did she choose to call out the plus sized women who were showing pride in thier current selves? That seemed out of line. Maybe reading on would have changed this for me?

She called out ad campaigns that promote fat acceptance and shame people who are in shape.

OH...........so THOSE ARTICLES were shaming fit people? Tsk, tsk, tsk. How about everyone stops shaming everyone and let everyone get to their happy places in their own time? It started as seeming like she was shaming the self accepting plus sized women and criticising "home" habits for the obesity epidemic. Presumably those of women like that. All of it is a mess. I don't blame FB for just throwing their hands up about it. Meanwhile I wonder where they draw the line though because a recent Mark Zuckerberg documentary I watched outlined his discomfort at the time with a country crediting FB with some political unrest. Back when he was still the CEO...and before it was public I think?

Sarahnade42x

I don't see that as hate speech at all. She's absolutely right that our society is normalizing being overweight or obese - that's bound to happen when over 2/3 of Americans fall into one of those categories. Right now I'm 170 pounds (still pretty overweight) and sometimes have to buy size Medium clothes…god knows that I'm not medium sized yet, but businesses are catching on to this trend of making people think being big is normal and acceptable. It's frustrating.
I actually love this response Kang gave: "There's a fine line we're walking between I love myself and accept myself, and I love and accept and want to progress myself."


(And on a side note, I think the online group conveying that plus-size women represent what "real women" look like is more judgmental than anything Kang wrote)

BinaryPulsar

I hate it when people use the "real woman' tag when referring to overweight. As though the only way to be a real woman is to be fat. If that's all that there is to the controversy, then I agree with the fit mom. I didn't do any additional research to see if she'd done any type of body shaming (which I would then criticize her for).

Yeah, I agree here.

But, also being bothered by the real women phrase is not something I have the energy for either. I just don't care (anymore).

I_Will_End_You

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

I'm assuming you also don't have any time to watch TV.... or post on internet message boards...

It's ridiculous to say people who are in good shape or have "ripped bodies" put their fitness before their families. It doesn't take a gym, and it doesn't take an hour a day.

brower47

I hate it when people use the "real woman' tag when referring to overweight. As though the only way to be a real woman is to be fat. If that's all that there is to the controversy, then I agree with the fit mom. I didn't do any additional research to see if she'd done any type of body shaming (which I would then criticize her for).

Yeah, I agree here.

But, also being bothered by the real women phrase is not something I have the energy for either. I just don't care.

I guess I'm just a stickler for avoiding misrepresentation. It only bothers me to the extent that I don't think the woman should be accused of hate speech for pointing out the hypocrisy. Congratulations on your energy saving apathy?

Another I don't like.
"Real men prefer curves, only dogs like a bone."

jonnythan

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

I'm assuming you also don't have any time to watch TV.... or post on internet message boards...

EvgeniZyntx

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

And obviously posting on the Internet.

Do you watch tv, do all the cleaning in a house? It is your decision to not exercise. Everyone pretty much has 2% of their week to exercise if they want it. That's 3 1/2 hrs a week. If you don't want it - ok.

Ophidion

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

And obviously posting on the Internet.

Do you watch tv, do all the cleaning in a house? It is your decision to not exercise. Everyone pretty much has 2% of their week to exercise if they want it. That's 3 1/2 hrs a week. If you don't want it - ok.

Ssh logic is not allowed on the threads.

brower47

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

And obviously posting on the Internet.

Do you watch tv, do all the cleaning in a house? It is your decision to not exercise. Everyone pretty much has 2% of their week to exercise if they want it. That's 3 1/2 hrs a week. If you don't want it - ok.

Let's not jump to conclusions. Maybe she and her family are all posting on MFP together.

MyChocolateDiet

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

And obviously posting on the Internet.

Do you watch tv, do all the cleaning in a house? It is your decision to not exercise. Everyone pretty much has 2% of their week to exercise if they want it. That's 3 1/2 hrs a week. If you don't want it - ok.

and even less if you choose the eat less route. that takes like zero time. and can get you to a version of thin. not my preferred version but a version I had to settle for nonetheless. it's totally doable. i did it. no gym time whatsoever.

MyChocolateDiet

I hate it when people use the "real woman' tag when referring to overweight. As though the only way to be a real woman is to be fat. If that's all that there is to the controversy, then I agree with the fit mom. I didn't do any additional research to see if she'd done any type of body shaming (which I would then criticize her for).

Yeah, I agree here.

But, also being bothered by the real women phrase is not something I have the energy for either. I just don't care.

I guess I'm just a stickler for avoiding misrepresentation. It only bothers me to the extent that I don't think the woman should be accused of hate speech for pointing out the hypocrisy. Congratulations on your energy saving apathy?

Another I don't like.
"Real men prefer curves, only dogs like a bone."

Now we are shaming the fake men? The one's who like bones. All the shaming! And the bones. But not the curves, right? Amirite? Because size 14 or 4 those are always a part of me. As are my spending dollars.

Hauntinglyfit

Oh. This again.
There is a lot of hate for a woman who posted a picture oh her with a perfectly flat stomach 4 days after giving birth. She worked out through the pregnancy, didn't gain much and has great genetics. Still people accuse her of all sorts of things.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515971/Footballers-wife-sparks-outrage-Norway-posting-picture-flat-stomach-days-giving-birth.html

copselily

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

For your information, Maria Kang, the world already DOES celebrate people with thin and fit bodies, even if there are a minority of people who don't! It's just down right annoying that she thinks thin/fit people are getting the crappy end of the stick here.

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

brower47

I hate it when people use the "real woman' tag when referring to overweight. As though the only way to be a real woman is to be fat. If that's all that there is to the controversy, then I agree with the fit mom. I didn't do any additional research to see if she'd done any type of body shaming (which I would then criticize her for).

Yeah, I agree here.

But, also being bothered by the real women phrase is not something I have the energy for either. I just don't care.

I guess I'm just a stickler for avoiding misrepresentation. It only bothers me to the extent that I don't think the woman should be accused of hate speech for pointing out the hypocrisy. Congratulations on your energy saving apathy?

Another I don't like.
"Real men prefer curves, only dogs like a bone."

Now we are shaming the fake men? The one's who like bones. All the shaming! And the bones. But not the curves, right? Amirite? Because size 14 or 4 those are always a part of me. As are my spending dollars.

I like bones. Am I fake?

Hauntinglyfit

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

BeachIron

I hate it when people use the "real woman' tag when referring to overweight. As though the only way to be a real woman is to be fat. If that's all that there is to the controversy, then I agree with the fit mom. I didn't do any additional research to see if she'd done any type of body shaming (which I would then criticize her for).

Yeah, I agree here.

But, also being bothered by the real women phrase is not something I have the energy for either. I just don't care.

I guess I'm just a stickler for avoiding misrepresentation. It only bothers me to the extent that I don't think the woman should be accused of hate speech for pointing out the hypocrisy. Congratulations on your energy saving apathy?

Another I don't like.
"Real men prefer curves, only dogs like a bone."

Now we are shaming the fake men? The one's who like bones. All the shaming! And the bones. But not the curves, right? Amirite? Because size 14 or 4 those are always a part of me. As are my spending dollars.

What's wrong with dogs? Call the ASPCA!

copselily

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

Yes, it does take discipline and dedication to become fit, but that doesn't mean that fat people don't have discipline or dedication either. There is more to being disciplined than having a fit body.

brower47

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

^This. That's not to say we can't be dedicated to our works-in-progress states. The 'fit mom' isn't decrying all fat people, just the ones who make excuses in the form of hypocritical ad campaigns.

copselily

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

^This. That's not to say we can't be dedicated to our works-in-progress states. The 'fit mom' isn't decrying all fat people, just the ones who make excuses in the form of hypocritical ad campaigns.

She IS decrying all fat people, and even people with just average sized bodies, when she says "What's YOUR excuse" for not looking like her.

brower47

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

Yes, it does take discipline and dedication to become fit, but that doesn't mean that fat people don't have discipline or dedication either. There is more to being disciplined than having a fit body.

The 'fit mom' was talking about dedication in any terms but fitness. You can be dedicated in one area and the opposite in another.

Example:
I'm dedicated to my studies. I'm not very dedicated about vacuuming.

DavPul

Oh. This again.
There is a lot of hate for a woman who posted a picture oh her with a perfectly flat stomach 4 days after giving birth. She worked out through the pregnancy, didn't gain much and has great genetics. Still people accuse her of all sorts of things.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515971/Footballers-wife-sparks-outrage-Norway-posting-picture-flat-stomach-days-giving-birth.html

Wow. That was 4 days after giving birth? Okay, this IS freaky.

Hauntinglyfit

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

Yes, it does take discipline and dedication to become fit, but that doesn't mean that fat people don't have discipline or dedication either. There is more to being disciplined than having a fit body.

Didn't read the whole article. Does she actually say that anywhere in there?

copselily

Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.

And obviously posting on the Internet.

Do you watch tv, do all the cleaning in a house? It is your decision to not exercise. Everyone pretty much has 2% of their week to exercise if they want it. That's 3 1/2 hrs a week. If you don't want it - ok.

Yeah. I don't want it.

I actually don't want a six pack or a squatter's butt.

I do an hour or so of exercise per day if possible, and I'm pretty much happy with that. It's absolutely fine to be happy with yourself where you are at right now.

copselily

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

Yes, it does take discipline and dedication to become fit, but that doesn't mean that fat people don't have discipline or dedication either. There is more to being disciplined than having a fit body.

Didn't read the whole article. Does she actually say that anywhere in there?

Yes:

"Maria Kang, known as the "Fit Mom," was temporarily banned from Facebook this week after she wrote a post complaining about the positive media coverage of an online group that encourages plus-sizewomen to post photos of themselves in lingerie to show what "real women" look like."

And then:

"Kang wrote another message on her Facebook page about the controversy, saying she didn't want to shame overweight people but that she believes people are celebrating unhealthy habits.

"I think you should love yourself," Kang told ABCNews.com. "But there's a fine line we're walking between I love myself and accept myself, and I love and accept and want to progress myself.""

EvgeniZyntx

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

Yes, it does take discipline and dedication to become fit, but that doesn't mean that fat people don't have discipline or dedication either. There is more to being disciplined than having a fit body.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Can't be fit without discipline. But discipline doesn't not necessarily result in fitness. Discipline is a tool not a magic wand.

Hauntinglyfit

Oh. This again.
There is a lot of hate for a woman who posted a picture oh her with a perfectly flat stomach 4 days after giving birth. She worked out through the pregnancy, didn't gain much and has great genetics. Still people accuse her of all sorts of things.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515971/Footballers-wife-sparks-outrage-Norway-posting-picture-flat-stomach-days-giving-birth.html

Wow. That was 4 days after giving birth? Okay, this IS freaky.

Yes, 4 days. She's a model, worked hard etc. It's not what people usually look like after giving birth. But I don't think that just because she does look like that she should hide it.

I have a picture of my mom holding me when I was 3 weeks old and she weighed about 115 pounds in it. Said her belly was pretty much back to normal too. But like i said, that's not the norm.

DavPul

Yes, it does take discipline and dedication to become fit, but that doesn't mean that fat people don't have discipline or dedication either. There is more to being disciplined than having a fit body.

Didn't read the whole article. Does she actually say that anywhere in there?

Yes:

"Maria Kang, known as the "Fit Mom," was temporarily banned from Facebook this week after she wrote a post complaining about the positive media coverage of an online group that encourages plus-sizewomen to post photos of themselves in lingerie to show what "real women" look like."

And then:

"Kang wrote another message on her Facebook page about the controversy, saying she didn't want to shame overweight people but that she believes people are celebrating unhealthy habits.

"I think you should love yourself," Kang told ABCNews.com. "But there's a fine line we're walking between I love myself and accept myself, and I love and accept and want to progress myself.""

So in other words, "No"?