Motivation or "hate speech"?
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Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.
How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.
Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?
If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.
No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.
Wait! So her "what's your excuse?" line is only body shaming because of the way she looks?
"Hey. you too can go from overweight to normal weight!" - Body shaming, burn the witch!
"Hey, you too can go from overweight to less overweight!" - Yay, motivation.
"Whats your excuse?" is body shaming because it assumes that if you don't look like her, you must WANT to and are therefore not trying hard enough.
However, if she just went from being very fat to just being marginally fat, I doubt people would have the same reaction, because having a fat body isn't something that people aspire to.
ETA: That doesn't make one better than the other. I think "Whats your excuse?" is a pretty crappy thing to say no matter what you starting and finishing point is.
Not everyone gives a $$$ about losing weight.
So...
...what's your excuse?0 -
Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.
How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.
Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?
If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.
No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.
Wait! So her "what's your excuse?" line is only body shaming because of the way she looks?
"Hey. you too can go from overweight to normal weight!" - Body shaming, burn the witch!
"Hey, you too can go from overweight to less overweight!" - Yay, motivation.
...and you forgot never overweight...
"Hey, you too can stay at normal weight after a baby!" -_______________________<====fill in the blank.0 -
Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.
How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.
Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?
If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.
No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.
Wait! So her "what's your excuse?" line is only body shaming because of the way she looks?
"Hey. you too can go from overweight to normal weight!" - Body shaming, burn the witch!
"Hey, you too can go from overweight to less overweight!" - Yay, motivation.
"Whats your excuse?" is body shaming because it assumes that if you don't look like her, you must WANT to and are therefore not trying hard enough.
However, if she just went from being very fat to just being marginally fat, I doubt people would have the same reaction, because having a fat body isn't something that people aspire to.
Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.0 -
Everyone does not have an hour a day to spend in the gym. I'll admit it's about priorities. I put my husband and three kids above having a ripped body.
And there's nothing wrong with making that choice, but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with this woman's message. I've chosen not to try to get my body fat percentage that low, and to focus instead on gaining strength, because that's what my priorities are (so I do spend an hour or so 3x a week lifting heavy weights, just not so much for aesthetics). However that doesn't mean that anyone who achieves a lower body fat percentage than I'm prepared to attempt to get to is doing something bad or wrong when they celebrate their achievement. She's not promoting dangerously low body fat percentages, she clearly looks fit and healthy. She's getting the message out there that most people *CAN* achieve their fitness goals even if they have other things in life getting in the way. It's not saying that everyone has to have the exact same goal as her or has to look like her. I'd rather have a 300lb+ deadlift and squat (my long term goals, not there yet) than look like her. (Not that she looks bad, it's just it's not where my priorities lie.) But, everyone should make time to be healthy. what's that quote again: "what's more inconvenient for your busy schedule.... 45 mins of exercise 3x a week and planning balanced meals, or being dead 24 hours a day?" And almost everyone can find time to succeed at their fitness goals, if they give it the priority it deserves.0 -
Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.
How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.
Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?
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I find her annoying and smug. But I don't find her that "unrealistic". I also have 3 kids and am fit. It really doesn't take that much time and effort.
But yeah the comments about the obesity group were dumb and uncalled for. Good for those larger ladies being happy with themselves. Their happiness doesn't effect me at all.
While its good that those women can celebrate being fat and be okay with it...........
I for one am not ok with myself being fat and I am doing something about it. I used to be a body builder and was fit. Undiagnosed medical issues and then a bad car accident and I gained a significant amount of weight that I disgust myself when I look at myself in the mirror.0 -
I have to say that the whine in this thread is going lovely with my Chardonnay
My cheese has lots of fat. And goes better with your wine.0 -
Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.
How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.
Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?
If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.
No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.
Wait! So her "what's your excuse?" line is only body shaming because of the way she looks?
"Hey. you too can go from overweight to normal weight!" - Body shaming, burn the witch!
"Hey, you too can go from overweight to less overweight!" - Yay, motivation.
"Whats your excuse?" is body shaming because it assumes that if you don't look like her, you must WANT to and are therefore not trying hard enough.
However, if she just went from being very fat to just being marginally fat, I doubt people would have the same reaction, because having a fat body isn't something that people aspire to.
Reread everything, You're saying that "what's your excuse" coming from a slightly overweight woman will not perceived as body shaming, but coming from a fit person it will be seen as so.
The difference being that people aspire to the "fit" body. What happened to your argument that not everyone wants to look like her and THAT is why her statements are offensive?
I edited my last message earlier to clarify. I'm saying that you are RIGHT, people wouldn't have the same reaction, but I am not saying they are right in reacting differently. I am actually agreeing with you.
Eta: "Reread everything, You're saying that "what's your excuse" coming from a slightly overweight woman will not perceived as body shaming, but coming from a fit person it will be seen as so. " Yep, that's totally what I'm saying! But I'm not saying I AGREE with it. I think it's a complete double standard.0 -
I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.0 -
Was it hate speech when she posted her opinion? No.
It wasn't hate speech when Kanye West gave his opinion about Taylor Swift / Beyonce, either.
Pretty much the same thing.0 -
I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.
Oh yay, NORMAL, let's do normal. There is a thing called bell shaped curve. Inside it resides all the normal.0 -
I have to say that the whine in this thread is going lovely with my Chardonnay
My cheese has lots of fat. And goes better with your wine.
Hum. Perhaps a little wine in exchange for your cheese, and we can both dip into the whine?0 -
Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.
DavPul, I quit replying to you a while ago because you misinterpret everything I say and pretty much just state the obvious. Just put me on ignore or something.0 -
I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.
Then what about the abnormal human body? :huh:
I don't think I like where your viewpoint is going...
...and I'm even on the pro-Kang side of this argument.0 -
Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.
How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.
Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?
If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.
No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.
Wait! So her "what's your excuse?" line is only body shaming because of the way she looks?
"Hey. you too can go from overweight to normal weight!" - Body shaming, burn the witch!
"Hey, you too can go from overweight to less overweight!" - Yay, motivation.
"Whats your excuse?" is body shaming because it assumes that if you don't look like her, you must WANT to and are therefore not trying hard enough.
However, if she just went from being very fat to just being marginally fat, I doubt people would have the same reaction, because having a fat body isn't something that people aspire to.
ETA: That doesn't make one better than the other. I think "Whats your excuse?" is a pretty crappy thing to say no matter what you starting and finishing point is. Not everyone gives a $$$ about losing weight.
The woman still has body fat............NORMAL body fat %. This is what a NORMAL body looks like.0 -
Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.
DavPul, I quit replying to you a while ago because you misinterpret everything I say and pretty much just state the obvious. Just put me on ignore or something.
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Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.
DavPul, I quit replying to you a while ago because you have irrefutable rebuttals for everything I say and pretty much just state really good points. I find you hard to ignore or something.
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I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.
Oh yay, NORMAL, let's do normal. There is a thing called bell shaped curve. Inside it resides all the normal.
That bell shaped curve still won't include a body covered in extra fluffy fat.0 -
I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.
Oh yay, NORMAL, let's do normal. There is a thing called bell shaped curve. Inside it resides all the normal.
That bell shaped curve still won't include a body covered in extra fluffy fat.
What is fluffy fat0 -
I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.
Then what about the abnormal human body? :huh:
I don't think I like where your viewpoint is going...
...and I'm even on the pro-Kang side of this argument.
The abnormal human body would be covered in fluffiness that is not normal.0 -
I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.
Oh yay, NORMAL, let's do normal. There is a thing called bell shaped curve. Inside it resides all the normal.
That bell shaped curve still won't include a body covered in extra fluffy fat.
What is fluffy fat
Fluffy fat is what I currently look like and its disgusting0 -
Hate speech? I think that some people are just angered at one of their most sacred excuses being rendered invalid.0
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I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.
Oh yay, NORMAL, let's do normal. There is a thing called bell shaped curve. Inside it resides all the normal.
That bell shaped curve still won't include a body covered in extra fluffy fat.
Wut?
A normal distribution includes quite the spread. Including extra fluffy spread.0 -
Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.
DavPul, I quit replying to you a while ago because you misinterpret everything I say and pretty much just state the obvious. Just put me on ignore or something.
So why are you replying to him now if you quit replying to him awhile ago? And since you're the one getting your jimmies rustled, why would he be the one to have to put you on ignore?
Logic. Failed.0 -
Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.
DavPul, I quit replying to you a while ago because you misinterpret everything I say and pretty much just state the obvious. Just put me on ignore or something.
So why are you replying to him now if you quit replying to him awhile ago? And since you're the one getting your jimmies rustled, why would he be the one to have to put you on ignore?
Logic. Failed.
ETA: Not even replying to this, it's a no win situation.0 -
Extra large for extra butthurt.0 -
I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)
I agree with you. The normal human body is not covered in way extra fluffy fat.
Oh yay, NORMAL, let's do normal. There is a thing called bell shaped curve. Inside it resides all the normal.
That bell shaped curve still won't include a body covered in extra fluffy fat.
Hmm, I think that you are confusing "my ideal" with "normal".
At my current weight, I may not be your ideal, but I'm pretty normal. Boring even. Really super normal and not terribly exciting.0 -
Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.
DavPul, I quit replying to you a while ago because you misinterpret everything I say and pretty much just state the obvious. Just put me on ignore or something.
So why are you replying to him now if you quit replying to him awhile ago? And since you're the one getting your jimmies rustled, why would he be the one to have to put you on ignore?
Logic. Failed.
Because I noticed he keeps replying to my posts, and this is all I really have to say. Folks don't need to waste their time replying to almost everything someone they disagree with says.
:brokenheart: I'm not getting my jimmies rustled, I'm partaking in some relatively engaging discussion on a sunday night like everyone else.
It's public forum and if someone wants to disagree with everyone, then they can - waste of time or not. And if it bothers you, then the common sense thing would be to put them on ignore, not the other way around.0 -
Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.
DavPul, I quit replying to you a while ago because you misinterpret everything I say and pretty much just state the obvious. Just put me on ignore or something.
So why are you replying to him now if you quit replying to him awhile ago? And since you're the one getting your jimmies rustled, why would he be the one to have to put you on ignore?
Logic. Failed.
Because I noticed he keeps replying to my posts, and this is all I really have to say. Folks don't need to waste their time replying to almost everything someone they disagree with says.
:brokenheart: I'm not getting my jimmies rustled, I'm partaking in some relatively engaging discussion on a sunday night like everyone else.
It's public forum and if someone wants to disagree with everyone, then they can - waste of time or not. And if it bothers you, then the common sense thing would be to put them on ignore, not the other way around.
I have, thanks!0 -
Ummm..... No. That's the way you choose to read it. She went from unhappy with herself to satisfied with her achievements. Anyone can do the same. Her personal goals don't have to be yours.
DavPul, I quit replying to you a while ago because you misinterpret everything I say and pretty much just state the obvious. Just put me on ignore or something.
So why are you replying to him now if you quit replying to him awhile ago? And since you're the one getting your jimmies rustled, why would he be the one to have to put you on ignore?
Logic. Failed.
Because I noticed he keeps replying to my posts, and this is all I really have to say. Folks don't need to waste their time replying to almost everything someone they disagree with says.
:brokenheart: I'm not getting my jimmies rustled, I'm partaking in some relatively engaging discussion on a sunday night like everyone else.
It's public forum and if someone wants to disagree with everyone, then they can - waste of time or not. And if it bothers you, then the common sense thing would be to put them on ignore, not the other way around.
I have, thanks!
And yet, you still don't ignore. Life is soooo difficult0
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