Motivation or "hate speech"?

wheird

I do think she tends to lean a little strong in her direction, but what she said does have some merit. Obesity is growing in acceptance these days and could potentially be a bad thing. I don't mean acceptance in terms of obese people not being bullied or made to feel horrible about themselves, because I agree this is a bad thing. But rather I think that the whole Fat Acceptance movement could normalize obesity on a cultural level and cause complacency.

I do understand where you are coming from, and you do have a good point, but I don't think the problem is that the Fat Acceptance movement is NORMALISING obesity, it's that people are misunderstanding what Fat Acceptance is all about.

Perhaps, but I'm sure you can understand how things can be taken out of context.

copselily

Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.

It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.

That's fine. I think my issue is with the general message that everyone should want to. If one person is happily overweight, that doesn't negate or devalue another person who is happily fit. and vice versa.

Of course, both sides attack the other to make themselves feel better. I'm pretty sure both sides are acting like *kitten* here.

I agree. Alcoholics and drug addicts shouldn't change either. Everyone should be happy just the way they are. Everyone is special in their own special way.

*group hug*

Oh, don't worry, society stigmatises addiction already, but hey, that's a whole new topic.

wheird

Yeah. Seems like she likes the notoriety. We're probably doing her a favour even discussing it. :ohwell:

I agree

I agree as well, but I still think that it is a worthy topic to discuss.

Me too, it does get me annoyed though unfortunately.

Not so much at her in general, because I think a lot of people in the fitness community (and the media) perpetuate the kind of things she has to say. She's not saying anything original. It just hits a nerve with me on a personal level because I hate body policing of any sort and know how bad it has made me feel over the years. It's just unacceptable and I have no tolerance for it.

I do think she tends to lean a little strong in her direction, but what she said does have some merit. Obesity is growing in acceptance these days and could potentially be a bad thing. I don't mean acceptance in terms of obese people not being bullied or made to feel horrible about themselves, because I agree this is a bad thing. But rather I think that the whole Fat Acceptance movement could normalize obesity on a cultural level and cause complacency.

I think it is already normalized and the culture is already complacent and being a meanie does nothing to correct that. Education however does. Also accessibility. This site provides both. Shaming and name calling on social media or ads do not.

I agree. Body shaming in either direction is wrong.

Otterluv

I now find anyone who doesn't look after themselves exceptionally unattractive, especially when they think it's normal to be fat. I think it's disgusting people posting pictures saying this is what normal people look like, no it isn't, it's what unhealthy people look like. (extremely controversial post)

Please duck. We had just gotten to a happy place in here. Tomatoes may be incoming.

Yep. There was understanding and middle ground happening and everything. Ooopsies.

copselily

I do think she tends to lean a little strong in her direction, but what she said does have some merit. Obesity is growing in acceptance these days and could potentially be a bad thing. I don't mean acceptance in terms of obese people not being bullied or made to feel horrible about themselves, because I agree this is a bad thing. But rather I think that the whole Fat Acceptance movement could normalize obesity on a cultural level and cause complacency.

I do understand where you are coming from, and you do have a good point, but I don't think the problem is that the Fat Acceptance movement is NORMALISING obesity, it's that people are misunderstanding what Fat Acceptance is all about.

Perhaps, but I'm sure you can understand how things can be taken out of context.

Definitely. And it IS being taken out of context, over and over again. Maybe it hasn't been made clear enough, or maybe it's the fact that society is so fat phobic that the mere suggestion of Fat Acceptance leads them to jump to conclusions about what it is and what it does? Maybe a mixture of both.

jofjltncb6

Yeah. Seems like she likes the notoriety. We're probably doing her a favour even discussing it. :ohwell:

I agree

I agree as well, but I still think that it is a worthy topic to discuss.

Me too, it does get me annoyed though unfortunately.

Not so much at her in general, because I think a lot of people in the fitness community (and the media) perpetuate the kind of things she has to say. She's not saying anything original. It just hits a nerve with me on a personal level because I hate body policing of any sort and know how bad it has made me feel over the years. It's just unacceptable and I have no tolerance for it.

I do think she tends to lean a little strong in her direction, but what she said does have some merit. Obesity is growing in acceptance these days and could potentially be a bad thing. I don't mean acceptance in terms of obese people not being bullied or made to feel horrible about themselves, because I agree this is a bad thing. But rather I think that the whole Fat Acceptance movement could normalize obesity on a cultural level and cause complacency.

I think it is already normalized and the culture is already complacent and being a meanie does nothing to correct that. Education however does. Also accessibility. This site provides both. Shaming and name calling on social media or ads do not.

I agree. Body shaming in either direction is wrong.

One direction is just apparently less wrong than the other...

DamePiglet

In...

...because the last Kang thread was epic.

^that sounds like a thong.

HA!!
In because this.

BeachIron

Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.

It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.

That's fine. I think my issue is with the general message that everyone should want to. If one person is happily overweight, that doesn't negate or devalue another person who is happily fit. and vice versa.

Of course, both sides attack the other to make themselves feel better. I'm pretty sure both sides are acting like *kitten* here.

I agree. Alcoholics and drug addicts shouldn't change either. Everyone should be happy just the way they are. Everyone is special in their own special way.

*group hug*

Oh, don't worry, society stigmatises addiction already, but hey, that's a whole new topic.

I'm sorry your life is so hard. All those meanies pushing for positive change . . .

DavPul

Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.

How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.

Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?

wheird

One direction is just apparently less wrong than the other...

Yeah, one is more "empowering" than the other. Besides, it isn't like skinny, fit people have anything to feel bad about, right?

MyChocolateDiet

Yeah. Seems like she likes the notoriety. We're probably doing her a favour even discussing it. :ohwell:

I agree

I agree as well, but I still think that it is a worthy topic to discuss.

Me too, it does get me annoyed though unfortunately.

Not so much at her in general, because I think a lot of people in the fitness community (and the media) perpetuate the kind of things she has to say. She's not saying anything original. It just hits a nerve with me on a personal level because I hate body policing of any sort and know how bad it has made me feel over the years. It's just unacceptable and I have no tolerance for it.

I do think she tends to lean a little strong in her direction, but what she said does have some merit. Obesity is growing in acceptance these days and could potentially be a bad thing. I don't mean acceptance in terms of obese people not being bullied or made to feel horrible about themselves, because I agree this is a bad thing. But rather I think that the whole Fat Acceptance movement could normalize obesity on a cultural level and cause complacency.

I think it is already normalized and the culture is already complacent and being a meanie does nothing to correct that. Education however does. Also accessibility. This site provides both. Shaming and name calling on social media or ads do not.

I agree. Body shaming in either direction is wrong.

One direction is just apparently less wrong than the other...

One direction is just so wrong. I mean look at their habits!

Otterluv

Yeah. Seems like she likes the notoriety. We're probably doing her a favour even discussing it. :ohwell:

I agree

I agree as well, but I still think that it is a worthy topic to discuss.

Me too, it does get me annoyed though unfortunately.

Not so much at her in general, because I think a lot of people in the fitness community (and the media) perpetuate the kind of things she has to say. She's not saying anything original. It just hits a nerve with me on a personal level because I hate body policing of any sort and know how bad it has made me feel over the years. It's just unacceptable and I have no tolerance for it.

I do think she tends to lean a little strong in her direction, but what she said does have some merit. Obesity is growing in acceptance these days and could potentially be a bad thing. I don't mean acceptance in terms of obese people not being bullied or made to feel horrible about themselves, because I agree this is a bad thing. But rather I think that the whole Fat Acceptance movement could normalize obesity on a cultural level and cause complacency.

I think it is already normalized and the culture is already complacent and being a meanie does nothing to correct that. Education however does. Also accessibility. This site provides both. Shaming and name calling on social media or ads do not.

I agree. Body shaming in either direction is wrong.

One direction is just apparently less wrong than the other...

I dunno' Jof. It's pretty ugly in all directions. People are people, and there is probably an equal number of *kitten* in every body type, ready to shame someone and feel morally justified in doing so.

33Freya

Her point was that there is so much obesity in America that instead of choosing health and improving ourselves, we just accept our obesity as a new healthy... Her point is that she is not going to accept that for herself and her family. I don't see it as hate speech at all. She is not calling anyone fat or putting anyone down. She is just pointing out a fact that most people choose to ignore.

copselily

One direction is just so wrong. I mean look at their habits!

:laugh:

33Freya

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I agree. Body shaming in either direction is wrong.
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One direction is just apparently less wrong than the other...
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One direction is just so wrong. I mean look at their habits!
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:laugh: It's the hair.

copselily

Can we make this thread about One Direction and boycott Maria Kang's fat phobic crap?

Otterluv

I agree. Body shaming in either direction is wrong.

One direction is just apparently less wrong than the other...

One direction is just so wrong. I mean look at their habits!

:laugh: It's the hair.

STAHP BOYBAND SHAMING!!!!





I'm putting this gif here, assuming that it's one of those One Direction kids. Really, I have no idea, because in my time boy bands had real names like "Menudo" and "New Kids on the Block". GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!

BinaryPulsar

:laugh:

Hauntinglyfit

Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.

How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.

Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?

If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.

AmyZ46

I have a question ... Was she ever over weight? Not just after pregnancy but you know more than 20 lbs overweight for any significant time... because unless you know the battle you really shouldn't judge ... I was just wondering because that really makes a difference to me..

SuperSexyDork

Yeah. Seems like she likes the notoriety. We're probably doing her a favour even discussing it. :ohwell:

I agree

I agree as well, but I still think that it is a worthy topic to discuss.

Me too, it does get me annoyed though unfortunately.

Not so much at her in general, because I think a lot of people in the fitness community (and the media) perpetuate the kind of things she has to say. She's not saying anything original. It just hits a nerve with me on a personal level because I hate body policing of any sort and know how bad it has made me feel over the years. It's just unacceptable and I have no tolerance for it.

I do think she tends to lean a little strong in her direction, but what she said does have some merit. Obesity is growing in acceptance these days and could potentially be a bad thing. I don't mean acceptance in terms of obese people not being bullied or made to feel horrible about themselves, because I agree this is a bad thing. But rather I think that the whole Fat Acceptance movement could normalize obesity on a cultural level and cause complacency.

I think it is already normalized and the culture is already complacent and being a meanie does nothing to correct that. Education however does. Also accessibility. This site provides both. Shaming and name calling on social media or ads do not.

I agree. Body shaming in either direction is wrong.

One direction is just apparently less wrong than the other...

I dunno' Jof. It's pretty ugly in all directions. People are people, and there is probably an equal number of *kitten* in every body type, ready to shame someone and feel morally justified in doing so.

I'm going to have to agree with Otter... There are plenty of people on both sides of this who feel like they need to demean someone else to feel good about themselves.

MyChocolateDiet

I agree. Body shaming in either direction is wrong.

One direction is just apparently less wrong than the other...

One direction is just so wrong. I mean look at their habits!

:laugh: It's the hair.

STAHP BOYBAND SHAMING!!!!





I'm putting this gif here, assuming that it's one of those One Direction kids. Really, I have no idea, because in my time boy bands had real names like "Menudo" and "New Kids on the Block". GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!

Charlie was my favorite. I think he did squats.

pinktac0

i dont have to agree OR disagree. Anyone ever hear of The First Amendment of the United States Constitution? It protects the right to freedom of expression.

LET IT BE!

copselily

Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.

How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.

Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?

If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.

No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

I thought the first photograph she posted (the "What's your excuse?" one) was body shaming, but perhaps well intentioned on her part. However, reading her recent comments in this article confirms to me she is a fat phobic, especially this sentence:

"Start celebrating people who are a result of hard work, dedication and discipline."

She's now equating being thin and/or fit with positive attributes (discipline, dedication, etc) and implying that fat people aren't any of those things. It's not okay, and I'm surprised she's still continuing to dig herself an even bigger hole than last time. Smh.

Equating fit with discipline, dedication, etc is correct.

Yes, it does take discipline and dedication to become fit, but that doesn't mean that fat people don't have discipline or dedication either. There is more to being disciplined than having a fit body.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Can't be fit without discipline. But discipline doesn't not necessarily result in fitness. Discipline is a tool not a magic wand.

I haven't said that. You need to read what I AM saying rather than assuming things that I actually HAVEN'T said. Fitness requires discipline, yes. But that doesn't mean people who don't look like Maria Kang don't have discipline.

Sure. So? No one has said otherwise. You are assuming the post hoc ergo propter hoc of other people in your mind. You need discipline and exercise to be fit. Having discipline isn't enough. If you are not disciplined you won't succeed, so yes, some people not succeeding aren't disciplined. Not all.

I think we should end this little back-and-forth dialogue now... your comprehension skills are pretty low.

Umm, No. You are twisting words to make it mean what you want it to mean. Stop, just stop please.

Hauntinglyfit

Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.

How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.

Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?

If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.

No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.

Wait! So her "what's your excuse?" line is only body shaming because of the way she looks?

"Hey. you too can go from overweight to normal weight!" - Body shaming, burn the witch!
"Hey, you too can go from overweight to less overweight!" - Yay, motivation.

copselily

Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.

How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.

Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?

If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.

No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.

Wait! So her "what's your excuse?" line is only body shaming because of the way she looks?

"Hey. you too can go from overweight to normal weight!" - Body shaming, burn the witch!
"Hey, you too can go from overweight to less overweight!" - Yay, motivation.

"Whats your excuse?" is body shaming because it assumes that if you don't look like her, you must WANT to and are therefore not trying hard enough.

However, if she just went from being very fat to just being marginally fat, I doubt people would have the same reaction, because having a fat body isn't something that people aspire to.

ETA: That doesn't make one better than the other. I think "Whats your excuse?" is a pretty crappy thing to say no matter what you starting and finishing point is. Not everyone gives a $$$ about losing weight.

holly1283

Most people can probably never look like her, because they have more important things to do in their lives.

It takes an hour a day. Anybody who wants to, can.

Anybody can!?! Now that is a lie. We are not all meant to look like that. Get healthier by eating right and exercising, yes but there are too many body types to classify by an hour a day!!!!! I personally think she looks great but according to that comment the plus size model who was 6'2" and wore a size 14 will never look like that and she looked fabulous, too. Some of us will have to be imperfect and be happy with who we are.

BeachIron

I have to say that the whine in this thread is going lovely with my Chardonnay

Hauntinglyfit

Yeah, she posted something on her own personal facebook page that went viral, was picked up by the news agencies, and then people lined up to call her names and belittle her parenting skills.

How dare she ever post anything on facebook again!!! Hasn't she learned her lesson? Does she need to get put back in her place again? I am certain that from reading the 26 words from both of her posts we can ascertain everything that she is, along with all the animus in her soul. She's a black hearted villian with no redeeming value. Let's line up to check her again.

Because everyone that posts on Facebook is an attention seeking *kitten*, right?

If she was a woman who let's say went from 210 pounds to 170, posting a pic with her 3 kids captioned with "what's your excuse", I have a feeling that the public's reaction wouldn't have been anything like this.

No, you're right, because at 170lb she may still be considered 'fat' and people wouldn't think she was body shaming, because they wouldn't aspire to be fat anyway.

Wait! So her "what's your excuse?" line is only body shaming because of the way she looks?

"Hey. you too can go from overweight to normal weight!" - Body shaming, burn the witch!
"Hey, you too can go from overweight to less overweight!" - Yay, motivation.

"Whats your excuse?" is body shaming because it assumes that if you don't look like her, you must WANT to and are therefore not trying hard enough.

However, if she just went from being very fat to just being marginally fat, I doubt people would have the same reaction, because having a fat body isn't something that people aspire to.

Reread everything, You're saying that "what's your excuse" coming from a slightly overweight woman will not perceived as body shaming, but coming from a fit person it will be seen as so.

The difference being that people aspire to the "fit" body. What happened to your argument that not everyone wants to look like her and THAT is why her statements are offensive?