High carb vegan diet
Veganhclf
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So I became a vegan like a month and a half ago and loosing weight became so easy, i could eat as much as I wanted and still loose or maintain weight. As long as you eat good vegan foods, in other words low fat high carb. That's just a tip for you guys struggling to loose weight. And i don't really understand this whole hype about that carbs and sugar make you fat. Since I went vegan I've been eating about 4000 cals a day sometimes (didn't really log it) with most of the cals coming from carbs and simple sugars from fruits, pasta and rice. And I've cut almost all sodium and fat from my diet and it's more difficult to maintain weight than it is to loose weight sometimes. If you think about, why the hell should you even calorie restrict, ther is no calorie restriction in nature and we are a part of nature. The reason why we get fat is because we eat foods that we aren't meant to eat like dead animals stuffed with fat and hormones. If you eat natural foods like fruits and vegetable gaining weight i pretty much impossible unless you've **** you metabolism up so much due to calorie restricting. It's not like it is impossible to gain weight while being a vegan, if you eat a bunch of fats you will gain weight, the fat you eat is the fat you wear. You should give it a try if you care about your body and the animals. Carbs are your friend, every cell in your body runs on glucose, if you limit your calories and carbs you will **** your metabolism up. Don't believe all the bull**** you hear about carbs being bad for you. Look at countries known for eating alot of carbs like China, they eat a lot of rice and their slim as ****. Or Kenya, what do they eat? They eat something called ugali or corn meal, which is basically just like rice or pasta. Fruits for the win. Carb the **** up!
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I just became vegan 2 weeks ago. I was restricting meat before that, but was eating dairy which was the main thing not helping me lose weight. I feel more energized every day and not weighed down. After reading about how eating animals and animal products really messes with your system I changed to 90% raw and 10% cooked even though I try to stay raw all the time. My health was my main concern, but treatment of animals is one thing I was closed minded about until i did the research. Feel free to add me, I could always use motivation and advice from someone who is more experienced with veganism. Good luck with everything as well.0
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I've seen many a fat vegan...being a vegan doesn't cause body fat to magically disappear.
For most of us, we are fat because we eat and/or drink too much and have an inactive lifestyle...regardless of what 'diet' we eat, excess calories over calories expended will very likely cause us to be overweight.
I imagine people are happy to read of your experience but people should not be dictated to as what food groups they should or shouldn't consume.0 -
We're not meant to eat dead animals? So evolution is wrong is it. Just because you CHOOSE to limit your diet does not change the fact that you're an omnivore. You have evolved to consume both meat and vegetables/fruit.
Being vegan isn't some magic weight loss equation either, especially if you're consuming 4000cals/day - unless you burn more than you consume you will gain weight.0 -
You can still gain weight while being on a vegan diet if you eat bad vegan foods high in fat. "Excess calories will make you gain weight", not really unless your metabolism is messed up. When a wolf catches its pray he/she doesn't stop and go "wait a minute, I shouldn't eat so much I might gain weight", the wolf ****ing feasts until he can't eat anymore. Please, try gaining weight from just fruits and veggies, try it.0
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Look at other meat eaters such as wolves or dogs, they have bigger stronger teeth than us, they have claws and they can digest raw meat which we can't. Yes, we can eat meat but you can also run a marathon in cycling shoes.We're not meant to eat dead animals? So evolution is wrong is it. Just because you CHOOSE to limit your diet does not change the fact that you're an omnivore. You have evolved to consume both meat and vegetables/fruit.
Being vegan isn't some magic weight loss equation either, especially if you're consuming 4000cals/day - unless you burn more than you consume you will gain weight.0 -
What do you mean?All the asterisks are distracting me0 -
Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?0
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I've seen many a fat vegan...being a vegan doesn't cause body fat to magically disappear.
For most of us, we are fat because we eat and/or drink too much and have an inactive lifestyle...regardless of what 'diet' we eat, excess calories over calories expended will very likely cause us to be overweight.
I imagine people are happy to read of your experience but people should not be dictated to as what food groups they should or shouldn't consume.
Excess calories from the wrong sources will turn you in to a slob. I'm not dictating I'm just trying to help you guys loose weight without going hungry and at the same time doing the animals a favor, that's all. Check this guy out, he lost half his body weight eating a high carb low fat vegan diet WITHOUT CALORIE RESTRICTING. http://www.realrawresults.com/0 -
We're not meant to eat dead animals? So evolution is wrong is it. Just because you CHOOSE to limit your diet does not change the fact that you're an omnivore. You have evolved to consume both meat and vegetables/fruit.
Being vegan isn't some magic weight loss equation either, especially if you're consuming 4000cals/day - unless you burn more than you consume you will gain weight.
This.
Also how do you know your eating 4000 calories if you don't measure it?
I went Vegan, collapsed at the gym then started eating meat again and feel better for it.0 -
I've seen many a fat vegan...being a vegan doesn't cause body fat to magically disappear.
For most of us, we are fat because we eat and/or drink too much and have an inactive lifestyle...regardless of what 'diet' we eat, excess calories over calories expended will very likely cause us to be overweight.
I imagine people are happy to read of your experience but people should not be dictated to as what food groups they should or shouldn't consume.
Excess calories from the wrong sources will turn you in to a slob. I'm not dictating I'm just trying to help you guys loose weight without going hungry and at the same time doing the animals a favor, that's all. Check this guy out, he lost half his body weight eating a high carb low fat vegan diet WITHOUT CALORIE RESTRICTING. http://www.realrawresults.com/
Who said that they need your help though? You just assume that your diet is perfect without being able to back it up.0 -
Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?0 -
Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
I am confused - how does vegan = no calorie counting.
Look at the paleo diet and also LCHF. Both eat meat both encourage you not to count calories.0 -
I hear protein is good for brain development.0
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4000 cals give or take, sometimes more sometimes less. Feeling tired the first month or so is normal, heck I felt like I was dying the first month but that's just because it takes time for your body to make the transition. Now I feel great, more energy than ever and my stamina has also increased due to the limited amount of fat intake so my arteries and blood aren't clogged up. Plus, you might have been under eating or you didn't get enough macro nutrients.We're not meant to eat dead animals? So evolution is wrong is it. Just because you CHOOSE to limit your diet does not change the fact that you're an omnivore. You have evolved to consume both meat and vegetables/fruit.
Being vegan isn't some magic weight loss equation either, especially if you're consuming 4000cals/day - unless you burn more than you consume you will gain weight.
This.
Also how do you know your eating 4000 calories if you don't measure it?
I went Vegan, collapsed at the gym then started eating meat again and feel better for it.0 -
All the asterisks are distracting me
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^^^^^^^ All of this is Vegan so you are saying that people can eat as much of this stuff as they want everyday and never gain weight because it's Vegan?0 -
Jade - I applaude your enthusiam and choosing to go vegan, but some of your points are not accurate.
May I suggest there is a vegan group on MFP where you could try out your points and have them discussed by fellow vegans before you venture out in to the open arena of the general forum; if at all.0 -
Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
So a wolf sees prey every 3 days so that's why it eats then? Riiiight. A lion on the savannah sees prey animals all the time, but it only hunts every 3 or 4 days because it eats enough to last it that amount of time when it makes a kill. It doesn't expend the energy required to make a kill until it needs to.
Your cat sleeps all day but its out all night climbing, running, sneaking, chasing. Dogs that don't get enough exercise get fat too.
Anyway, you're also assuming that everyone on here just wants to lose weight. What about building muscle? Lean meat is a great source of protein.
How about you try something for 2 weeks - track your calories everyday, eat 4000 per day and then come back and tell me if you've lost weight.0 -
Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
I am confused - how does vegan = no calorie counting.
Look at the paleo diet and also LCHF. Both eat meat both encourage you not to count calories.
LCHF = Low carb High fat is bull****. Why cut out the primary source of energy, carbs. If you want to loose fat then why the hell would you stuff your mouth full of fat. Carbs for the win! Look at how the kenyan runners eat, they eat a very high carb diet with little fat and little protein yet they are slim as ****. Carb do not make you fat. Is it that bowl of rice that makes you fat or is it pound of lard you eat every morning for breakfast.0 -
If you would pay attention you would see that I stated that it is not impossible to gain weight on a vegan diet, heck a vegan diet can be real unhealthy if you eat a bunch of chips and deep fried fries. I'm saying that a high carb low fat vegan diet is the way to go. To be honest, since I went vegan I haven't had the desire to eat fatty meals anymore, and if I do I get all nauseous. All these foods that you listed are high in fat. Fat makes you fat, not carbs.
^^^^^^^ All of this is Vegan so you are saying that people can eat as much of this stuff as they want everyday and never gain weight because it's Vegan?0 -
what is your primary source of protein? do you consume all the essential amino acids required by us.
The 10 amino acids that humans can produce are alanine, asparagine, aspartic acid, cysteine, glutamic acid, glutamine, glycine, proline, serine and tyrosine. Tyrosine is produced from phenylalanine, so if the diet is deficient in phenylalanine, tyrosine will be required as well. The essential amino acids are arginine (required for the young, but not for adults), histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. These amino acids are required in the diet.
If you only do vegan, no wonder you have to eat 4000 cals a day as you must have to complement a lot of foods to make up for the nutrition. Plus you would have to take supplements high in iron as iron from plant sources is not very well absorbed by human body.
As far as care for the animals is concerned, what about the care for the plants. So if all started eating like you are doing (4000 cals/day) or more, then there would not be enough plants to feed the vegan brigade. Plus, dont you know that even plants feel pain as has been proven in various lab experiments. So just because they are mute and cant move, its ok for you to eat their raw limbs aka raw veggies?!
Therefore, do yourself a favour, stop preaching, live and let live0 -
Fat makes you fat, not carbs.
That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.0 -
Why promote veganism to people who already are vegans. I'm just giving advice, that's all, just exercising my freedom of speech. A high carb low fat vegan diet is the way to go , but if calorie restricting is working for you then fine keep doing it, im not forcing anyone.Jade - I applaude your enthusiam and choosing to go vegan, but some of your points are not accurate.
May I suggest there is a vegan group on MFP where you could try out your points and have them discussed by fellow vegans before you venture out in to the open arena of the general forum; if at all.0 -
Maybe if you lay in bed all day stuffing your mouth full of hamburgers. When I first went vegan I didn't do any training due to slight overtraining but still ate like would die the next day and I lost 4 kg just like that. Now tell me, how is this possible if what you're saying is true. I weigh 69 kg and am super fit, and I assume you are overweight and struggling to run around the block. You could change this easy if you would just listen to me, just give it a try. Sorry if I offended you, I don't mean to hurt your feeling or anything, just trying to make a pointFat makes you fat, not carbs.
That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.
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Oh, meat is the best source of protein? Yea, right! How about beans and lentis? Besides, this whole hype about protein builds muscle is overrated, training builds muscle, but yes you do need protein in order to build muscle but not that much protein.
Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
So a wolf sees prey every 3 days so that's why it eats then? Riiiight. A lion on the savannah sees prey animals all the time, but it only hunts every 3 or 4 days because it eats enough to last it that amount of time when it makes a kill. It doesn't expend the energy required to make a kill until it needs to.
Your cat sleeps all day but its out all night climbing, running, sneaking, chasing. Dogs that don't get enough exercise get fat too.
Anyway, you're also assuming that everyone on here just wants to lose weight. What about building muscle? Lean meat is a great source of protein.
How about you try something for 2 weeks - track your calories everyday, eat 4000 per day and then come back and tell me if you've lost weight.0 -
Fat makes you fat, not carbs.
That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.
What he said. Sensible man is sensible.0 -
Maybe if you lay in bed all day stuffing your mouth full of hamburgers. When I first went vegan I didn't do any training due to slight overtraining but still ate like would die the next day and I lost 4 kg just like that. Now tell me, how is this possible if what you're saying is true. I weigh 69 kg and am super fit, and I assume you are overweight and struggling to run around the block. You could change this easy if you would just listen to me, just give it a try. Sorry if I offended you, I don't mean to hurt your feeling or anything, just trying to make a pointFat makes you fat, not carbs.
That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.
you are 18 and think you know everything in the world. You don't. I am overweight but I have lost a bunch of weight eating all the things I love, just less of them. Getting as much activity as I can while still supporting a family and while taking courses in Nutrition and health so that I could do this right. Much luck to you.0 -
Great that you've lost weight and being so dedicated. I'm just preaching what I personally have experienced and why I've other people do. Yes, I cut calories before while eating meat and a high fat diet and yes I did loose weight but I just ended up gaining that weight right after. I used to be obsessed with weight and diet, I used to fast for up to 50 hours and I was pretty much developing an eating disorder and the cure for me was the high carb low fat vegan diet. If you feel happy going hungry everyday then fine, life is about enjoying everyday. I just want other people to feel good just like I feel good, I don't just care abut animals
Maybe if you lay in bed all day stuffing your mouth full of hamburgers. When I first went vegan I didn't do any training due to slight overtraining but still ate like would die the next day and I lost 4 kg just like that. Now tell me, how is this possible if what you're saying is true. I weigh 69 kg and am super fit, and I assume you are overweight and struggling to run around the block. You could change this easy if you would just listen to me, just give it a try. Sorry if I offended you, I don't mean to hurt your feeling or anything, just trying to make a pointFat makes you fat, not carbs.
That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.
you are 18 and think you know everything in the world. You don't. I am overweight but I have lost a bunch of weight eating all the things I love, just less of them. Getting as much activity as I can while still supporting a family and while taking courses in Nutrition and health so that I could do this right. Much luck to you.
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Why promote veganism to people who already are vegans. I'm just giving advice, that's all, just exercising my freedom of speech. A high carb low fat vegan diet is the way to go , but if calorie restricting is working for you then fine keep doing it, im not forcing anyone.Jade - I applaude your enthusiam and choosing to go vegan, but some of your points are not accurate.
May I suggest there is a vegan group on MFP where you could try out your points and have them discussed by fellow vegans before you venture out in to the open arena of the general forum; if at all.
Actually nothing you have said seems to be promoting becoming a vegan, in all honesty I have never seen posts that make me feel so anti vegan as yours.
You do realise that some vitamins are fat soluble don't you? This makes fats essential in the diet
Maybe a balanced diet is the way to go?0 -
railroader that stuff is not vegan get yourself educated on the subject lol sarahlee cakes and stuff are you for real.0
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