High carb vegan diet
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And I'm four times her age.
If not a troll and his profile is accurate, HE is an 18 year old BOY that weighs 152 lbs. I do applaud his passion and boldness to post on this forum. A good read this morning.
Yes, I was mistaken on the OP's gender. I've been teaching teenagers for 38 years. I love their enthusiasm and intrepid spirit, though I am most gratified when they come back and see me when they are older and have gotten a bit more humble.0 -
^^^^^^^ All of this is Vegan so you are saying that people can eat as much of this stuff as they want everyday and never gain weight because it's Vegan?
yep, I think that is what she is saying. smh0 -
Thanks. I take b12 pills everyday and also supplement with iron since I'm a cyclist I need that hemoglobin to be high. So the only nutrient I sometimes worry about is getting enough calories during the days I ride +100km. I could probably ride 100km while calorie restricting but it wouldn't be very effective long term since I'll just end up overtraining. I used to worry about protein but realized very fast that protein is not something you need to worry about especially as a cyclist since cycling doesn't really require any muscle. I just have to watch out so I don't become too lean on the high carb diet, I don't wanna look like a meth addict, but it might be difficult too avoid since I train a lot. Man, going vegan was probably my wised choice I've ever made, saving the animals at the same time being healthy and skinny. Check this guy out and you'll get a better picture of what I mean by saying "high carb low fat is the way to go"
So me loosing weight while eating 4000 cals a day, that's due to what? Before I would easily gain weight if I ate that much. Try it out for yourself before you judge me.I love new vegans/vegetarians ready to preach after 6 weeks of experience.
Basically, you're a freshman and it's October of your first semester. Come at me when you get your degree.
If you were eating a lot of processed foods before, it could be your salt levels going down which can also cause a loss of water weight. But if being vegan works for you, if you feel great, satisfied after eating, and happy, by all means, keep doing it.
Just be careful to get all the nutrients you need every day so you don't feel rundown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yPMshheUI. 0 -
PS: OP, rapid weight loss while eating a lot can be symptomatic of Type 1 Diabetes, among other things. If you are eating as you say, you really should visit the doctor.0
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B12 is not inherently an animal product (it's bacteria) so needing to supplement says nothing about whether or not we are "meant" to be vegans.
It actually says a lot about the types of foods we evolved to consume, because to my knowledge there is no natural source of B12 other than animals. We can synthesize it in a vegan way using bacteria, but it can't be found in nature in any food source except animals.
Animals get B12 from eating plant matter in the soil. If our soil wasn't so "clean" and if we didn't wash our veggies and ate enough of them we would consume enough B12 without animal products.
Also, people over 50 have a difficult time extracting B12 from meat (it has to do with enzymes that aide in digestion) and should start supplementing to avoid a deficiency.
Human beings are omnivores. We are very adaptable and able to survive on excessive amounts of meat (even diets that consist of almost only animal fat and flesh) and we are also able to survive well on plant based foods only.0 -
Sarah Lee Cherry Tart is VEGAN? Wow - thanks for that; you made my day!
Flax Milk - thanks for the clarification on B12; much appreciated.0 -
I just did a diabetes test actually, I've been freaking out the past 6 months because I've experienced some of the symptoms related to diabetes. But thank god the test came back negative. So that's one less disease to worry about i suppose!PS: OP, rapid weight loss while eating a lot can be symptomatic of Type 1 Diabetes, among other things. If you are eating as you say, you really should visit the doctor.
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I just did a diabetes test actually, I've been freaking out the past 6 months because I've experienced some of the symptoms related to diabetes. But thank god the test came back negative. So that's one less disease to worry about i suppose!PS: OP, rapid weight loss while eating a lot can be symptomatic of Type 1 Diabetes, among other things. If you are eating as you say, you really should visit the doctor.
That's a relief-I'm happy for you; it's such a terrible condition to have. Hopefully if something is wrong, they figure that out for you soon.0 -
This is amazing.0
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You can still gain weight while being on a vegan diet if you eat bad vegan foods high in fat. "Excess calories will make you gain weight", not really unless your metabolism is messed up. When a wolf catches its pray he/she doesn't stop and go "wait a minute, I shouldn't eat so much I might gain weight", the wolf ****ing feasts until he can't eat anymore. Please, try gaining weight from just fruits and veggies, try it.
This might have been mentioned already but...most animals after devouring their prey will goes days without eating again. Unlike humans they are more prone to eating only what they need to survive.
You're right...they don't count calories but the also don't have three meals a day along with 2 snacks.
Think about what you said..."try gaining weight from fruits aned veggies". How many over weight animals in the wild do you see? Most of them don't eat fruits and veggies.
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More bacon for me.
And eat a hamburger. You sound cranky.0 -
B12 is not inherently an animal product (it's bacteria) so needing to supplement says nothing about whether or not we are "meant" to be vegans.
It actually says a lot about the types of foods we evolved to consume, because to my knowledge there is no natural source of B12 other than animals. We can synthesize it in a vegan way using bacteria, but it can't be found in nature in any food source except animals.
Animals get B12 from eating plant matter in the soil. If our soil wasn't so "clean" and if we didn't wash our veggies and ate enough of them we would consume enough B12 without animal products.
Also, people over 50 have a difficult time extracting B12 from meat (it has to do with enzymes that aide in digestion) and should start supplementing to avoid a deficiency.
Human beings are omnivores. We are very adaptable and able to survive on excessive amounts of meat (even diets that consist of almost only animal fat and flesh) and we are also able to survive well on plant based foods only.
That's nice that animals do that. Humans can't, to my knowledge, get sufficient quantities of B12 from eating plant matter "in the soil." Your claim that we can get enough B12 by, um.... eating dirt seems more than a little suspicious.
The fact that people over 50 have a difficult time getting enough B12 from natural sources doesn't say anything about what we were "meant" to eat or about how much dirt we should be eating. It's an evolutionary piece of trivia. People over 50 generally don't breed, so there's little to no evolutionary pressure for such a deficiency to be bred out of the gene pool.
The point stands that it's apparently impossible to get sufficient B12 from natural sources unless you eat animal products (or, as you claim, dirt). That does say something about what we have evolved to consume.
To the best of my knowledge, it's impossible to live on plant-based material only.0 -
Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
Oooops I should have read further.
To add to this train of thought...they also don't sit and watch tv...ride around in cars...
I am not exactly sure what I meant about the tv and the cars...other than...I don't think that comparing the eating habits of humans and animals make a lot of sense....different requirements...0 -
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You can loose weight on a plant based low fat diet while being sedentary but in order to get lean and skinny you need to move your *kitten*.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
Oooops I should have read further.
To add to this train of thought...they also don't sit and watch tv...ride around in cars...
I am not exactly sure what I meant about the tv and the cars...other than...I don't think that comparing the eating habits of humans and animals make a lot of sense....different requirements...0 -
We're not meant to eat dead animals? So evolution is wrong is it. Just because you CHOOSE to limit your diet does not change the fact that you're an omnivore. You have evolved to consume both meat and vegetables/fruit.
Being vegan isn't some magic weight loss equation either, especially if you're consuming 4000cals/day - unless you burn more than you consume you will gain weight.
This.
Also how do you know your eating 4000 calories if you don't measure it?
I went Vegan, collapsed at the gym then started eating meat again and feel better for it.
I tried vegan for a few weeks...I couldn't deal with the gas problems. It didn't go away...just kept getting worse.0 -
B12 is not inherently an animal product (it's bacteria) so needing to supplement says nothing about whether or not we are "meant" to be vegans.
It actually says a lot about the types of foods we evolved to consume, because to my knowledge there is no natural source of B12 other than animals. We can synthesize it in a vegan way using bacteria, but it can't be found in nature in any food source except animals.
Animals get B12 from eating plant matter in the soil. If our soil wasn't so "clean" and if we didn't wash our veggies and ate enough of them we would consume enough B12 without animal products.
Also, people over 50 have a difficult time extracting B12 from meat (it has to do with enzymes that aide in digestion) and should start supplementing to avoid a deficiency.
Human beings are omnivores. We are very adaptable and able to survive on excessive amounts of meat (even diets that consist of almost only animal fat and flesh) and we are also able to survive well on plant based foods only.
That's nice that animals do that. Humans can't, to my knowledge, get sufficient quantities of B12 from eating plant matter "in the soil." Your claim that we can get enough B12 by, um.... eating dirt seems more than a little suspicious.
The fact that people over 50 have a difficult time getting enough B12 from natural sources doesn't say anything about what we were "meant" to eat or about how much dirt we should be eating. It's an evolutionary piece of trivia. People over 50 generally don't breed, so there's little to no evolutionary pressure for such a deficiency to be bred out of the gene pool.
The point stands that it's apparently impossible to get sufficient B12 from natural sources unless you eat animal products (or, as you claim, dirt). That does say something about what we have evolved to consume.
To the best of my knowledge, it's impossible to live on plant-based material only.
This is interesting. However, fortified foods will suffice in our modern society. Nevertheless, it does seem we are to some extent at least obligate lacto or ovo vegetarian, if not carnivores. I suppose for those doing this for ethical and environmental reasons being vegan with supplements is still the lightest load on living things and more sustainable humanity. I just hope vegans also strive to bicycle everywhere, own nothing made in a sweatshop, and spend the money they save from owning practically nothing on charity for humans. St. Jude Children's Hospital is just one of many good organizations to donate to for those seeking to spread kindness in the world.0 -
Happened to me too, but i went away after about a month.We're not meant to eat dead animals? So evolution is wrong is it. Just because you CHOOSE to limit your diet does not change the fact that you're an omnivore. You have evolved to consume both meat and vegetables/fruit.
Being vegan isn't some magic weight loss equation either, especially if you're consuming 4000cals/day - unless you burn more than you consume you will gain weight.
This.
Also how do you know your eating 4000 calories if you don't measure it?
I went Vegan, collapsed at the gym then started eating meat again and feel better for it.
I tried vegan for a few weeks...I couldn't deal with the gas problems. It didn't go away...just kept getting worse.0 -
And I've cut almost all sodium and fat from my diet
That's dangerous. Our bodies need sodium. Athletes need more than 2500mg per day to replace the amount lost when we sweat.0 -
B12 is not inherently an animal product (it's bacteria) so needing to supplement says nothing about whether or not we are "meant" to be vegans.
It actually says a lot about the types of foods we evolved to consume, because to my knowledge there is no natural source of B12 other than animals. We can synthesize it in a vegan way using bacteria, but it can't be found in nature in any food source except animals.
Animals get B12 from eating plant matter in the soil. If our soil wasn't so "clean" and if we didn't wash our veggies and ate enough of them we would consume enough B12 without animal products.
Also, people over 50 have a difficult time extracting B12 from meat (it has to do with enzymes that aide in digestion) and should start supplementing to avoid a deficiency.
Human beings are omnivores. We are very adaptable and able to survive on excessive amounts of meat (even diets that consist of almost only animal fat and flesh) and we are also able to survive well on plant based foods only.
That's nice that animals do that. Humans can't, to my knowledge, get sufficient quantities of B12 from eating plant matter "in the soil." Your claim that we can get enough B12 by, um.... eating dirt seems more than a little suspicious.
The fact that people over 50 have a difficult time getting enough B12 from natural sources doesn't say anything about what we were "meant" to eat or about how much dirt we should be eating. It's an evolutionary piece of trivia. People over 50 generally don't breed, so there's little to no evolutionary pressure for such a deficiency to be bred out of the gene pool.
The point stands that it's apparently impossible to get sufficient B12 from natural sources unless you eat animal products (or, as you claim, dirt). That does say something about what we have evolved to consume.
To the best of my knowledge, it's impossible to live on plant-based material only.
This is interesting. However, fortified foods will suffice in our modern society. Nevertheless, it does seem we are to some extent at least obligate lacto or ovo vegetarian, if not carnivores. I suppose for those doing this for ethical and environmental reasons being vegan with supplements is still the lightest load on living things and more sustainable humanity. I just hope vegans also strive to bicycle everywhere, own nothing made in a sweatshop, and spend the money they save from owning practically nothing on charity for humans. St. Jude Children's Hospital is just one of many good organizations to donate to for those seeking to spread kindness in the world.
Sure, there are plenty of reasons to be vegan. I don't care if any particular person is vegan. But I take issue with the argument that veganism is more healthy than alternatives, or that people are meant to be vegan, etc.
The fact is that veganism is literally impossible without modern technology.0 -
We also need fat for proper hormone function.And I've cut almost all sodium and fat from my diet
That's dangerous. Our bodies need sodium. Athletes need more than 2500mg per day to replace the amount lost when we sweat.0 -
^^^^^^^ All of this is Vegan so you are saying that people can eat as much of this stuff as they want everyday and never gain weight because it's Vegan?
Why would anyone think these products are vegan? Pop tarts aren't even vegetarian.0 -
Protip, you are not eating 4000 calories a day and losing weight.
But good try.0 -
B12 is not inherently an animal product (it's bacteria) so needing to supplement says nothing about whether or not we are "meant" to be vegans.
It actually says a lot about the types of foods we evolved to consume, because to my knowledge there is no natural source of B12 other than animals. We can synthesize it in a vegan way using bacteria, but it can't be found in nature in any food source except animals.
Animals get B12 from eating plant matter in the soil. If our soil wasn't so "clean" and if we didn't wash our veggies and ate enough of them we would consume enough B12 without animal products.
Also, people over 50 have a difficult time extracting B12 from meat (it has to do with enzymes that aide in digestion) and should start supplementing to avoid a deficiency.
Human beings are omnivores. We are very adaptable and able to survive on excessive amounts of meat (even diets that consist of almost only animal fat and flesh) and we are also able to survive well on plant based foods only.
That's nice that animals do that. Humans can't, to my knowledge, get sufficient quantities of B12 from eating plant matter "in the soil." Your claim that we can get enough B12 by, um.... eating dirt seems more than a little suspicious.
The fact that people over 50 have a difficult time getting enough B12 from natural sources doesn't say anything about what we were "meant" to eat or about how much dirt we should be eating. It's an evolutionary piece of trivia. People over 50 generally don't breed, so there's little to no evolutionary pressure for such a deficiency to be bred out of the gene pool.
The point stands that it's apparently impossible to get sufficient B12 from natural sources unless you eat animal products (or, as you claim, dirt). That does say something about what we have evolved to consume.
To the best of my knowledge, it's impossible to live on plant-based material only.
I really don't disagree with you. I would never say that humans are "meant" to eat a purely plant based diet. Nor would I say that they are "meant" to eat meat.
it is impossible to live on a plant-based material only. We need B12 supplementation:)
"Where does Vitamin B12 come from?"
It's very important for you to grasp that in our modern food supply B12 is found MOSTLY in animal products. Why? Because Vitamin B12 comes from our soil. When a cow, for instance, chomps on grass she eats this vitamin B12-enriched soil.
And those ancestors of ours who were able to thrive on a plant-based diet without adding any Vegan Vitamin B12 supplements? Well, they were getting their food directly out of the ground still covered in soil -- soil which they were never quite able to completely remove. Our food today is usually very clean by the time it makes it to our stores, and then we further clean it in our own kitchen (since most of us don't like the taste of dirt). Goodbye Vitamin B12.
If you eat a plant-strong diet, you MUST be sure you're getting the amount of B-12 you need.
Read more: http://www.vegancoach.com/vegan-vitamin-B12.html#ixzz2p4yxMTpc0 -
That's nice that animals do that. Humans can't, to my knowledge, get sufficient quantities of B12 from eating plant matter "in the soil." Your claim that we can get enough B12 by, um.... eating dirt seems more than a little suspicious.
The fact that people over 50 have a difficult time getting enough B12 from natural sources doesn't say anything about what we were "meant" to eat or about how much dirt we should be eating. It's an evolutionary piece of trivia. People over 50 generally don't breed, so there's little to no evolutionary pressure for such a deficiency to be bred out of the gene pool.
The point stands that it's apparently impossible to get sufficient B12 from natural sources unless you eat animal products (or, as you claim, dirt). That does say something about what we have evolved to consume.
To the best of my knowledge, it's impossible to live on plant-based material only.
So we agree to disagree. Humans get the B-12 the same way that the animals do. Not necessarily through eating dirt, but because the food is "contaminated" in the soil with the bacteria. Because of the advances in how we do things, no, it's not a good bet to only eat plant foods grown and processed in modern times and depend on your B-12, particularly with a supplement readily available.
If animals were only fed other animals that didn't eat plant material, meat-eaters eating those animals would also not get any B-12. To say that B12 is a "natural" animal product is false.
We actually don't need tons of B-12 and store it for some time. Yes, I do believe that prior to the changes in how we do things, humans could get sufficient B-12 from a plant based diet without supplementation. They didn't have to eat mud pies to do that.0 -
B12 is not inherently an animal product (it's bacteria) so needing to supplement says nothing about whether or not we are "meant" to be vegans.
It actually says a lot about the types of foods we evolved to consume, because to my knowledge there is no natural source of B12 other than animals. We can synthesize it in a vegan way using bacteria, but it can't be found in nature in any food source except animals.
Animals get B12 from eating plant matter in the soil. If our soil wasn't so "clean" and if we didn't wash our veggies and ate enough of them we would consume enough B12 without animal products.
Also, people over 50 have a difficult time extracting B12 from meat (it has to do with enzymes that aide in digestion) and should start supplementing to avoid a deficiency.
Human beings are omnivores. We are very adaptable and able to survive on excessive amounts of meat (even diets that consist of almost only animal fat and flesh) and we are also able to survive well on plant based foods only.
That's nice that animals do that. Humans can't, to my knowledge, get sufficient quantities of B12 from eating plant matter "in the soil." Your claim that we can get enough B12 by, um.... eating dirt seems more than a little suspicious.
The fact that people over 50 have a difficult time getting enough B12 from natural sources doesn't say anything about what we were "meant" to eat or about how much dirt we should be eating. It's an evolutionary piece of trivia. People over 50 generally don't breed, so there's little to no evolutionary pressure for such a deficiency to be bred out of the gene pool.
The point stands that it's apparently impossible to get sufficient B12 from natural sources unless you eat animal products (or, as you claim, dirt). That does say something about what we have evolved to consume.
To the best of my knowledge, it's impossible to live on plant-based material only.
This is interesting. However, fortified foods will suffice in our modern society. Nevertheless, it does seem we are to some extent at least obligate lacto or ovo vegetarian, if not carnivores. I suppose for those doing this for ethical and environmental reasons being vegan with supplements is still the lightest load on living things and more sustainable humanity. I just hope vegans also strive to bicycle everywhere, own nothing made in a sweatshop, and spend the money they save from owning practically nothing on charity for humans. St. Jude Children's Hospital is just one of many good organizations to donate to for those seeking to spread kindness in the world.
Sure, there are plenty of reasons to be vegan. I don't care if any particular person is vegan. But I take issue with the argument that veganism is more healthy than alternatives, or that people are meant to be vegan, etc.
The fact is that veganism is literally impossible without modern technology.
I'm glad you posted it, I didn't realize B12 is so scarce outside of animal sources. If I ever go vegan I'll know to supplement.0 -
And also this:
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Why would anyone think these products are vegan? Pop tarts aren't even vegetarian.
They are. The ones with frosting aren't, but the ones without are. Oreos definitely are. The rest probably are, but I haven't looked it up.0 -
^^^^^^^ All of this is Vegan so you are saying that people can eat as much of this stuff as they want everyday and never gain weight because it's Vegan?
yep, I think that is what she is saying. smh
NOW NOW NOW guys... to be fair... she did say HIGH CARB and LOW FAT vegan.
This is the same ridiculous diet people like Durian Rider and Freelee The Banana Girl are touting. They are making the same outrageous claims that they are eating 3-4000 calories a day.0 -
And those ancestors of ours who were able to thrive on a plant-based diet without adding any Vegan Vitamin B12 supplements? Well, they were getting their food directly out of the ground still covered in soil -- soil which they were never quite able to completely remove.
That is total BS. They weren't getting B12 from dirt. That claim is absurd.0
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