High carb vegan diet
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Humans aren't supposed to eat meat?
Yes, because this 8 foot, stone-tipped middle palaeolithic spear my avatar's holding is for hunting lentils.
Sorry but the fossil record doesn't agree with you. The evolution of the entire Homo genus is a story of using progressively more advanced forms of stone age technology to get more and higher quality meat and animal products (such as using stone tools to extract brains and bone marrow from carcases) while human brains got bigger and bigger. It was a positive feedback loop: more fatty meats, bone marrow and animal brains = more fat and protein to grow bigger brains = more intelligent = the ability to find more effective ways to scavenge and hunt animals and extract fat and protein rich food from them. Humans are omnivores and dietary opportunists (i.e. can survive on a wide range of different diets), and due to the invention of advanced agricultural techniques and the ability to transport food all around the world, it's possible for post-industrial humans to survive on a plant-only diet, but a plant-only diet is not what we evolved eating, and it's impossible to survive as a vegan without modern technology (including the ability to transport food long distances). It's not just the genus Homo either, all the great apes are omnivores, even gorillas (contrary to what vegan propaganda will try to tell you).
Anyway, if you want to see hominins (human like apes that walk fully upright) that are more adapted for a high plant food diet, check out Australopithecus boisei, dental microware of its teeth suggests that its diet consisted mainly of plant food such as grass and leaves (although other fossil evidence suggests they also ate termites, so they're not actually vegan, but they ate a lot more plant food and a lot less animal protein than human ancestors of the same time period) - they evolved really, really, really, big teeth and huge mahoosive jaw muscles to be able to process all that plant food, while hominins in the human lineage evolved bigger and bigger brains and smaller and smaller jaws and teeth, and also the human gut is shorter relative to other apes, all of these are changes associated with the increasing consumption of meat, i.e. moving from scavenging animal carcases and hunting small animals, to hunting bigger and bigger animals and developing more and more sophisticated hunting weapons throughout the entire stone age. Meanwhile, grass eating Australopithecus boisei went extinct.0 -
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railroader that stuff is not vegan get yourself educated on the subject lol sarahlee cakes and stuff are you for real.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/leonoraepstein/13-junk-foods-you-wont-believe-are-vegan
Yes everything I posted is Vegan.0 -
Great that you've lost weight and being so dedicated. I'm just preaching what I personally have experienced and why I've other people do. Yes, I cut calories before while eating meat and a high fat diet and yes I did loose weight but I just ended up gaining that weight right after. I used to be obsessed with weight and diet, I used to fast for up to 50 hours and I was pretty much developing an eating disorder and the cure for me was the high carb low fat vegan diet. If you feel happy going hungry everyday then fine, life is about enjoying everyday. I just want other people to feel good just like I feel good, I don't just care abut animals
Maybe if you lay in bed all day stuffing your mouth full of hamburgers. When I first went vegan I didn't do any training due to slight overtraining but still ate like would die the next day and I lost 4 kg just like that. Now tell me, how is this possible if what you're saying is true. I weigh 69 kg and am super fit, and I assume you are overweight and struggling to run around the block. You could change this easy if you would just listen to me, just give it a try. Sorry if I offended you, I don't mean to hurt your feeling or anything, just trying to make a pointFat makes you fat, not carbs.
That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.
you are 18 and think you know everything in the world. You don't. I am overweight but I have lost a bunch of weight eating all the things I love, just less of them. Getting as much activity as I can while still supporting a family and while taking courses in Nutrition and health so that I could do this right. Much luck to you.
great that this works for you, but don't expect it to work for everyone else, and stop preaching it like it's the solution to the whole world's diet problems. It's not. There are a lot of highly successful people on this site who have been successful while eating lots of fat and lots of meat. Me included. I maintain my weight without tracking, while eating lots of meat and fat. In fact, eating more meat and more fat helps me to maintain more easily. Eating too many carbs is where I have to be careful.
Honestly you're just making vegans look like a bunch of preachy street preachers trying to make the whole world vegan
BTW if you're a troll... well played :drinker: but if you're not a troll then get off your soap box because it's having the opposite effect to the one you want....0 -
Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
This logic is impaired.
If a wolf could had access to food and ate at all times it most certainly would gain weight. A lot of weight. And so do cats. Some may only eat what they're hungry for, but my old cat, for instance, gained 5 lbs after going to live with someone who leaves a full food bowl at all times vs living with me who fed him twice a day.
Also, two weeks is not enough time to try out any kind of diet or lifestyle change and see any kind of permanent changes.
Weight loss is calories in/calories out. Scientifically proven. It's as simple as that.
Also humans were meant to eat meat. Why else would we require certain vitamins and nutrients in our bodies that are only found in red meat? Do research before you make claims.0 -
Oh, meat is the best source of protein? Yea, right! How about beans and lentis? Besides, this whole hype about protein builds muscle is overrated, training builds muscle, but yes you do need protein in order to build muscle but not that much protein.
Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
So a wolf sees prey every 3 days so that's why it eats then? Riiiight. A lion on the savannah sees prey animals all the time, but it only hunts every 3 or 4 days because it eats enough to last it that amount of time when it makes a kill. It doesn't expend the energy required to make a kill until it needs to.
Your cat sleeps all day but its out all night climbing, running, sneaking, chasing. Dogs that don't get enough exercise get fat too.
Anyway, you're also assuming that everyone on here just wants to lose weight. What about building muscle? Lean meat is a great source of protein.
How about you try something for 2 weeks - track your calories everyday, eat 4000 per day and then come back and tell me if you've lost weight.
I said its a great source, not the best source. Although, to me it is, as its a lot tastier than lentils.0 -
neandermagnonSorry but the fossil record doesn't agree with you. The evolution of the entire Homo genus is a story of using progressively more advanced forms of stone age technology to get more and higher quality meat and animal products (such as using stone tools to extract brains and bone marrow from carcases) while human brains got bigger and bigger.
It's not just the genus Homo either, all the great apes are omnivores, even gorillas (contrary to what vegan propaganda will try to tell you).
I believe you are right neandermagnon.
It may be an idealistic view I have of the dark ages, but I feel the hunters of animals on open planes would have, at least for efficiencies sake, been more efficient hunters and cave painting evidence suggests that they had more respect for the animals they killed compared to the vast and impersonal captive animal processing industry we have today.
It is true, we took the opportunistic path that led us to where we are today, but modern technology enables some of us (all of us if we wanted to) to choose to opt out of the meat market. Animals besides, a plant based diet is more efficient in finding enough food to feed an ever increasing human population.
These are my views and reasons for opting out of flesh food and I am aware they are open to debate and that is fine.Honestly you're just making vegans look like a bunch of preachy street preachers trying to make the whole world vegan.
This was my fear when I saw this thread start to evolve. I would hope those who want to investigate the vegan diet would try a visit to one of the vegan groups on MFP and post in there. You may (may) find we are not all quite so narrow focussed. Bear in mind the OP's youth and enthusiasm; some of us have had time to mellow out a bit.
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Dr2501I said its (protein) a great source, not the best source. Although, to me it is, as its a lot tastier than lentils.
Come round to my house tomorrow. We are having a wonderful lentil bake with all the traditional new year veggies, roasted in lots of (vegetable) fat and lashed with (vegan) gravy - unless you are worried I may prove you wrong?0 -
I skimmed a bit.
But OP, you're an idiot.
You need fat in your diet.
And you're demonizing foods by labeling things as "good" or "bad".
You need to examine your relationship with food and work on creating a healthier relationship with food because there are no 'good' or 'bad' foods and fat is delicious.
MMMM avocado (and it's vegan)0 -
Been a vegan for almost 20 years and weighed over 300lbs . No I wasn't stuffing my face full of junk either..I ate tons of bread type stuff tho...Read the book "wheat belly" , started eating fish and eggs, cut out the wheat and dropped 50lbs pretty quick before joining this site. And I feel so much better, not just because of my weight loss, my skin has cleared, more energy. I am not against being vegan...but yeah, you can do it wrong for sure.0
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Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
Where the heck did you get the idea that animals don't gain weight?? Zoos have to restrict their animals food to control their weight and there is a problem right now in America with pets (this includes cats) becoming obese since we are giving them the same life styles as ourselves, alot of accessible food and not enough exercise. If an animal isn't gaining weight in the wild it has to do with their particular food not being accessible enough in the quantities for the animal to gain weight.0 -
Correct FireflyJay - one factor which naturally controls population.0
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Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
I am confused - how does vegan = no calorie counting.
Look at the paleo diet and also LCHF. Both eat meat both encourage you not to count calories.
LCHF = Low carb High fat is bull****. Why cut out the primary source of energy, carbs. If you want to loose fat then why the hell would you stuff your mouth full of fat. Carbs for the win! Look at how the kenyan runners eat, they eat a very high carb diet with little fat and little protein yet they are slim as ****. Carb do not make you fat. Is it that bowl of rice that makes you fat or is it pound of lard you eat every morning for breakfast.
You do not know much about this to be honest. Excess calories makes you put on weight. You could eat high fat low carb and lose weight if you didn't exceed calories. You could eat high carb low fat and lose weight if you didn't exceed calories. There is a lot to be said for not calories counting but limiting one macro source to do so can be considered extreme. Be vegan if you want to, no one would argue that but don't try and use it as evidence that all other dieting and fitness information and strategies are flawed.0 -
I thought I knew everything when I was 18 too... a balanced nutritious diet works best for me and no matter who you are if you eat at surplus you will gain. I am glad you have found what works for you. As you mature you will realise it isn't a one size fits all when it comes to diet. I would never eat high carb low fat again because I have been there and it isn't the best way. Fat doesn't make people fat, eating to many calories does. As far as you eating 4000 calories, well you said yourself you didn't log accurately. Maybe instead of being over zealous and preaching to the masses you should take a step back and do a little more unbiased research.0
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Why promote veganism to people who already are vegans. I'm just giving advice, that's all, just exercising my freedom of speech. A high carb low fat vegan diet is the way to go , but if calorie restricting is working for you then fine keep doing it, im not forcing anyone.Jade - I applaude your enthusiam and choosing to go vegan, but some of your points are not accurate.
May I suggest there is a vegan group on MFP where you could try out your points and have them discussed by fellow vegans before you venture out in to the open arena of the general forum; if at all.
Talking out your poo hole is not advice. It just stinks.0 -
I guess if you are going to preach to others about nutrition, what with your six weeks of experience, you should learn the difference between "loose" and "lose."0
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ehhh.....I see where you were going with this....but I dont quite agree .
Ive been a raw vegan for three years...and over the course of three years i dropped 121 lbs. That came from partially eliminating meat, but mostly it came from eliminating sugar. From what my nutritionist told me....Carbs = energy...but in the end carbs break down as sugar....which equals fat. Without working out, those energy calories , that we are meant to burn off turn into extra calories which result in weight gain.
If you look at people in third world countries - yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein, but typically they spend all day in a factory, or they fish or they are out in a field harvesting. they have very laborious jobs...and those carbs give them energy to carry on throughout the day.0 -
I guess if you are going to preach to others about nutrition, what with your six weeks of experience, you should learn the difference between "loose" and "lose."
Now now
- I think the full stop in your post (above) should come after the quotes in this instance because the full stop belongs to and ends the sentence rather than the word in quotes. My point? - oh just that none of us aer pfercet :flowerforyou: 0 -
ehhh.....I see where you were going with this....but I dont quite agree .
Ive been a raw vegan for three years...and over the course of three years i dropped 121 lbs. That came from partially eliminating meat, but mostly it came from eliminating sugar. From what my nutritionist told me....Carbs = energy...but in the end carbs break down as sugar....which equals fat. Without working out, those energy calories , that we are meant to burn off turn into extra calories which result in weight gain.
If you look at people in third world countries - yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein, but typically they spend all day in a factory, or they fish or they are out in a field harvesting. they have very laborious jobs...and those carbs give them energy to carry on throughout the day.
Just as I though this thread couldn't get any better we have this line
" yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein"
ummm, no.
And op - 6 weeks a vegan does not an expert make, you've got almost every fact wrong so far. Congrats, this thread should hopefully keep me entertained while in work today :bigsmile:
Mind you, my money is on the op being a troll.0 -
Maybe if you lay in bed all day stuffing your mouth full of hamburgers. When I first went vegan I didn't do any training due to slight overtraining but still ate like would die the next day and I lost 4 kg just like that. Now tell me, how is this possible if what you're saying is true. I weigh 69 kg and am super fit, and I assume you are overweight and struggling to run around the block. You could change this easy if you would just listen to me, just give it a try. Sorry if I offended you, I don't mean to hurt your feeling or anything, just trying to make a pointFat makes you fat, not carbs.
That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.
I think that one of the reasons people here are irritated is that the OP is making assumptions about the rest of us. I, for one, am not overweight. Nor do I struggle to run around the block. And I'm four times her age.0 -
I guess if you are going to preach to others about nutrition, what with your six weeks of experience, you should learn the difference between "loose" and "lose."
Now now - I think the full stop in your post (above) should come after the quotes in this instance because the full stop belongs to and ends the sentence rather than the word in quotes. My point? - oh just that none of us aer pfercet :flowerforyou:
But in this case the person is correct, the op being so high and mighty and perfect should be getting the basics correct in his little preachy rant.
Of course since the op is wrong in almost everything they have said, it would make sense for them to spell lose wrong as well :laugh:0 -
God, why don't people get it? Losing weight is as easy as this:
calorie outtake > calorie intake.
Keep that in your head, and track your macro's. You could basically eat candy, cake and icecream all day long as long as you calorie outtake > calorie intake.
Whether it's healthy though, is another question.0 -
In case anyone is still reading and hoping to glean some factual information.......all you need to do to lose weight is eat less than you need.
Maintain a moderate calorie deficit. Apply patience and time. You'll get results. Macros (carbs, protein, fat) can help prevent excess hunger, maintain lean muscle mass, and promote general health - but you don't even have to pay attention to them to lose weight. And you certainly don't have to be vegan, vegetarian, paleo, etc. Just eat less.0 -
In American English, the period always goes inside the quotation mark, even if it is a single word.0
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Unless you have something medically wrong with your digestive system (in which case you're only skirting around the issue by going vegan rather than getting medical attention you need), meat and dairy are not the cause of weight gain.0
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In American English, the period always goes inside the quotation mark, even if it is a single word.
Thank you for your reply; which I found interesting and informative.0 -
ehhh.....I see where you were going with this....but I dont quite agree .
Ive been a raw vegan for three years...and over the course of three years i dropped 121 lbs. That came from partially eliminating meat, but mostly it came from eliminating sugar. From what my nutritionist told me....Carbs = energy...but in the end carbs break down as sugar....which equals fat. Without working out, those energy calories , that we are meant to burn off turn into extra calories which result in weight gain.
If you look at people in third world countries - yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein, but typically they spend all day in a factory, or they fish or they are out in a field harvesting. they have very laborious jobs...and those carbs give them energy to carry on throughout the day.
Just as I though this thread couldn't get any better we have this line
" yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein"
ummm, no.
And op - 6 weeks a vegan does not an expert make, you've got almost every fact wrong so far. Congrats, this thread should hopefully keep me entertained while in work today :bigsmile:
Mind you, my money is on the op being a troll.
I worded it wrong -_-" I meant to say main source of food. Rice, bread, pasta, etc etc0 -
ehhh.....I see where you were going with this....but I dont quite agree .
Ive been a raw vegan for three years...and over the course of three years i dropped 121 lbs. That came from partially eliminating meat, but mostly it came from eliminating sugar. From what my nutritionist told me....Carbs = energy...but in the end carbs break down as sugar....which equals fat. Without working out, those energy calories , that we are meant to burn off turn into extra calories which result in weight gain.
If you look at people in third world countries - yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein, but typically they spend all day in a factory, or they fish or they are out in a field harvesting. they have very laborious jobs...and those carbs give them energy to carry on throughout the day.
Just as I though this thread couldn't get any better we have this line
" yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein"
ummm, no.
And op - 6 weeks a vegan does not an expert make, you've got almost every fact wrong so far. Congrats, this thread should hopefully keep me entertained while in work today :bigsmile:
Mind you, my money is on the op being a troll.
I worded it wrong -_-" I meant to say main source of food. Rice, bread, pasta, etc etc
Ah, that makes more sense :bigsmile:0 -
ehhh.....I see where you were going with this....but I dont quite agree .
Ive been a raw vegan for three years...and over the course of three years i dropped 121 lbs. That came from partially eliminating meat, but mostly it came from eliminating sugar. From what my nutritionist told me....Carbs = energy...but in the end carbs break down as sugar....which equals fat. Without working out, those energy calories , that we are meant to burn off turn into extra calories which result in weight gain.
If you look at people in third world countries - yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein, but typically they spend all day in a factory, or they fish or they are out in a field harvesting. they have very laborious jobs...and those carbs give them energy to carry on throughout the day.
Just as I though this thread couldn't get any better we have this line
" yes they eat carbs, which is their main source of protein"
ummm, no.
And op - 6 weeks a vegan does not an expert make, you've got almost every fact wrong so far. Congrats, this thread should hopefully keep me entertained while in work today :bigsmile:
Mind you, my money is on the op being a troll.
I worded it wrong -_-" I meant to say main source of food. Rice, bread, pasta, etc etc
Ah, that makes more sense :bigsmile:
I read it and laughed at myself for a good two minutes. lol Im still not awake.0 -
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