High carb vegan diet

zyxst

I used to worry about protein but realized very fast that protein is not something you need to worry about especially as a cyclist since cycling doesn't really require any muscle.

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You're implying that cycling doesn't use any muscles. Even if you have prosthetic legs, you're still using muscles to pedal your bike, never mind keeping your balance.

xDawnsgrace

Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?

Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.

wolves are also running about all day trying to HUNT for that food. Humans don't do that, therefore calories in vs calories out.

tigersword

We've been eating dead animals for millions of years. That's I've got to say about the ridiculousness in the OP. Didn't bother to read anything else, I already know how this thread will end.

Savyna

I used to be a vegan but I went back to eating chicken and eggs and stuff. I don't particularly take to red meat because it makes my stomach feel iffy but when we were like running around millions of years ago I think it's beenshown that we ate some type of meats. I dont know yet if they were eating veggies and all that but I do know meat was involved. I can't say whether or not we aren't meant to eat a certain amount of meats but I do believe (most) people are designed to be able to eat meats and poultry and the like. When I was eating a vegan lifestyle I wasn't losing any extreme amounts of weight, I just felt cold all the time. Currently now I'm eating high carbs and low fats but with chicken in the mix and a crazy ton of vegetables. That's just my comments on your post.

Iron_Feline

I used to worry about protein but realized very fast that protein is not something you need to worry about especially as a cyclist since cycling doesn't really require any muscle.

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Please then tell us - if you don't used muscles to cycle, what do you use? :noway:

Veganhclf

I used to worry about protein but realized very fast that protein is not something you need to worry about especially as a cyclist since cycling doesn't really require any muscle.

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Please then tell us - if you don't used muscles to cycle, what do you use? :noway:

Of course you use muscle while riding, but cycling does not demand big and strong muscles. You use muscle picking up a pen, but you don't have to be able to bench 100 kg in order to pick up that pen. Look at the pros, they aren't very muscular. Here's 2012 Tour de france winner Bradley Wiggins http://hall-five.com/images/uploads/blog/Bradley-Wiggins-in-his-ho-008.jpg

geebusuk

Any serious endurance event covering long hours for many days in a row where the competitor has to move their body weight up hills is going to mean the very least body mass possible - so hardly any fat and just enough muscle.

Here's another pro cyclist.

I'm guessing you're not going to suggest that "he's not very muscular"? (Ok, he certainly skipped arm day, but his thighs look wider than a lot of people's waists!
I bet he squats and keeps his protein intake up .

MsBluelipstick

Why do people always talk about what our ancestors ate or didn't eat? Pretty sure they ate whatever was in front of them and were lucky to live until the age of 30. Not exactly a good example.

salemnye

You can still gain weight while being on a vegan diet if you eat bad vegan foods high in fat. "Excess calories will make you gain weight", not really unless your metabolism is messed up. When a wolf catches its pray he/she doesn't stop and go "wait a minute, I shouldn't eat so much I might gain weight", the wolf ****ing feasts until he can't eat anymore. Please, try gaining weight from just fruits and veggies, try it.

Wolves and many other predators are on a "feast & famine" diet. They eat a big meal about once a week.

eric_sg61

99.99% of all bodybuilders, not named Tom Platz, would kill for legs like that.

QuietBloom

Why do people always talk about what our ancestors ate or didn't eat? Pretty sure they ate whatever was in front of them and were lucky to live until the age of 30. Not exactly a good example.

Because it has everything to do with how we evolved.

TriLifter

Yay! So happy this thread is still going...i think it's my favorite

geebusuk

99.99% of all bodybuilders, not named Tom Platz, would kill for legs like that.

After my first search for Tour De France riders proved to be a foolish choice, that was the first image in my second search.
I actually had to check several other pictures to make sure it wasn't photoshopped, because :-O - they're bloody tree trunks!

Oh and always amused by the paelo bridgade etc going on about evolution as a reason to do x - generally showing a rather poor understanding of the process of evolution in the first place .

dragonssister

Fat makes you fat, not carbs.

That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.

Ding ding ding!

nohaynicknamesdisponibles

We're not meant to eat dead animals? So evolution is wrong is it. Just because you CHOOSE to limit your diet does not change the fact that you're an omnivore. You have evolved to consume both meat and vegetables/fruit.

Being vegan isn't some magic weight loss equation either, especially if you're consuming 4000cals/day - unless you burn more than you consume you will gain weight.

This!

pobalita

OP posts that he can eat 4,000 calories per day on a vegan diet and, as long as they are not coming from fat, he won't gain weight. And, no one would gain weight if they just ate carbs - no matter how many calories. Then OP waits until page 4 of this post to mention that he rides his bike up to 100 km some days. A bit misleading to say the least. I'm guessing that most could pull off 4,000 calories per day if riding 100 km on a bike too.

OP, you seem like you are concerned with doing it right. If you really are biking as much as you say, I suggest that you pick up a few books by vegan athletes such as Brendan Brazier, Matt Frazier, etc. and learn how to to fuel properly. Protein and fat are needed. My diet has been plant-based for over three years. I trained for and completed a marathon last year and had terrible muscle loss while eating a high carb, lower protien diet. I was eating enough protien for a non-athlete, but didn't increase enough for the work I was putting my body through. A month after my race I still felt like crap and lab tests showed my blood calcium and creatinine were completely screwed up. I am still paying for it and slowly trying to regain muscle.

I din't notice my problems right away and they came on slowly. You might not encounter this at 6 weeks into your new diet, but you will notice later as you begin to lose strength. Athletes do need muscle. You may have enough to ride your bike now, but if you aren't fueling right, you will notice when that muscle is gone. If you are burning through 4,000 per day, it isn't because you are eating just carbs. It's because you have a very high activity level. Please consider fueling your body the right way.

geebusuk

Just over a year ago I had a 5200 calorie day or something. LOADS of beef; I doubt anything I ate was particulary vegan.)
Still lost weight because I did a 12k run and 80k cycle ride, burning 1000 calories more than I ate.
Maths is great .

cingle87

I used to worry about protein but realized very fast that protein is not something you need to worry about especially as a cyclist since cycling doesn't really require any muscle.

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Please then tell us - if you don't used muscles to cycle, what do you use? :noway:

Of course you use muscle while riding, but cycling does not demand big and strong muscles. You use muscle picking up a pen, but you don't have to be able to bench 100 kg in order to pick up that pen. Look at the pros, they aren't very muscular. Here's 2012 Tour de france winner Bradley Wiggins http://hall-five.com/images/uploads/blog/Bradley-Wiggins-in-his-ho-008.jpg

Thats Sir Bradley Wiggins to you, you don't think cyclist need big leg muscles? Take a look at Sir Chris Hoys thighs, considered one of the greatest track cyclist every and tell me you don't need big muscles

lynn_glenmont

I guess if you are going to preach to others about nutrition, what with your six weeks of experience, you should learn the difference between "loose" and "lose."

Now now - I think the full stop in your post (above) should come after the quotes in this instance because the full stop belongs to and ends the sentence rather than the word in quotes. My point? - oh just that none of us aer pfercet :flowerforyou:

Proper _U.S._ punctuation is to put the _period_ (you give yourself away with that "full stop") inside the quotation marks. :flowerforyou:

QuietBloom

I love new vegans/vegetarians ready to preach after 6 weeks of experience.


Basically, you're a freshman and it's October of your first semester. Come at me when you get your degree.

So me loosing weight while eating 4000 cals a day, that's due to what? Before I would easily gain weight if I ate that much. Try it out for yourself before you judge me.

If you were eating a lot of processed foods before, it could be your salt levels going down which can also cause a loss of water weight. But if being vegan works for you, if you feel great, satisfied after eating, and happy, by all means, keep doing it.

Just be careful to get all the nutrients you need every day so you don't feel rundown.

Thanks. I take b12 pills everyday and also supplement with iron since I'm a cyclist I need that hemoglobin to be high. So the only nutrient I sometimes worry about is getting enough calories during the days I ride +100km. I could probably ride 100km while calorie restricting but it wouldn't be very effective long term since I'll just end up overtraining. I used to worry about protein but realized very fast that protein is not something you need to worry about especially as a cyclist since cycling doesn't really require any muscle. I just have to watch out so I don't become too lean on the high carb diet, I don't wanna look like a meth addict, but it might be difficult too avoid since I train a lot. Man, going vegan was probably my wised choice I've ever made, saving the animals at the same time being healthy and skinny. Check this guy out and you'll get a better picture of what I mean by saying "high carb low fat is the way to go" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yPMshheUI.

I'm surprised no one picked up on this.

The high volume training and long rides may well explain the weight loss on a higher cal diet esp combined with the fact he's an 18 year old male.

Too busy discussing b12? :laugh:

Yeah, I picked up on it. The it's the all to familiar unraveling of significant bits of information that have been left out of the original post(s).

Undisclosed high volume bicycling (apparently not using any muscle). But it started off as just 'hey MFP! Guess what? I can eat 4000 calories a day and not gain weight BECAUSE I am a vegan'. :grumble:

littlekitty3

I'm sitting here reading this....and after the extensive amount of time on diet and how it effects the body...
There's so much low carb bioscience bullsh*t it's hilarious.

LakishaS82

Well my experience is this. I have graves disease my eyes were yellow my skin was a mess after just two weeks I saw a difference. My eyes weren't yellow anymore and my skin was smooth and supple. Also I noticed my energy was through the roof and my thinking was clearer. So I have had a good experience eating High carb low fat vegan. I'm just trying to figure out a to not runoutta food after two weeks seeing that I have a family of four to feed. It became difficult and stressful running outta food. I don't know I guess I gotta plan out a menu for the month.

RodaRose

Well my experience is this. I have graves disease my eyes were yellow my skin was a mess after just two weeks I saw a difference. My eyes weren't yellow anymore and my skin was smooth and supple. Also I noticed my energy was through the roof and my thinking was clearer. So I have had a good experience eating High carb low fat vegan. I'm just trying to figure out a to not runoutta food after two weeks seeing that I have a family of four to feed. It became difficult and stressful running outta food. I don't know I guess I gotta plan out a menu for the month.

Can you start a new thread?
You are more likely to get better responses.

meparker757

You made a great choice! I gone Vegan for the last couple of months and I feel great.

I think the vegan diet life style is a personal choice so it might not be for everyone.

devonmccunn

Why is everyone bashing this guy for trying to share his experience and help people out. Going vegan is an amazing thing you can do for your health, our fellow beings, and the planet. In order to succeed as a vegan, yes you absolutely need to eat high carb low fat and consume twice the amount of calories in order to meet your nutrients and keep your energy high. I was vegan for about a year eating an average amount of calories eating an excess of protein from soy and nuts because the dieting industry made me believe I "needed" it. I did lose and maintain my weight but eventually around the 12 month mark I started feeling fatigued and had binge episodes on high carb high FAT vegan foods. I started gaining weight and I blamed the veganism thinking maybe it just wasn't working for me anymore. So I started eating animal products again and restricting my calories to try and lose the weight I gained. Well this didn't stop the binge eating, I still had low energy except this time my skin was suffering like never before and I was still game weight rapidly. About three months ago I decided to really research how to be a successful vegan and it led me to the high carb low fat lifestyle of fruity abundance. After the month long detox I feel absolutely amazing and my body is rewarding me with excellent digestion, energy, and WEIGHTLOSS (finally). People get too caught up in scientific theories and debates. How about you look at the people achieving the results that you want to achieve and create your own theories and observations from that. Just get on YouTube and search high carb low fat vegan and I guarantee you will be inspired.

LifeWithPie

Why is everyone bashing this guy for trying to share his experience and help people out. Going vegan is an amazing thing you can do for your health, our fellow beings, and the planet. In order to succeed as a vegan, yes you absolutely need to eat high carb low fat and consume twice the amount of calories in order to meet your nutrients and keep your energy high. I was vegan for about a year eating an average amount of calories eating an excess of protein from soy and nuts because the dieting industry made me believe I "needed" it. I did lose and maintain my weight but eventually around the 12 month mark I started feeling fatigued and had binge episodes on high carb high FAT vegan foods. I started gaining weight and I blamed the veganism thinking maybe it just wasn't working for me anymore. So I started eating animal products again and restricting my calories to try and lose the weight I gained. Well this didn't stop the binge eating, I still had low energy except this time my skin was suffering like never before and I was still game weight rapidly. About three months ago I decided to really research how to be a successful vegan and it led me to the high carb low fat lifestyle of fruity abundance. After the month long detox I feel absolutely amazing and my body is rewarding me with excellent digestion, energy, and WEIGHTLOSS (finally). People get too caught up in scientific theories and debates. How about you look at the people achieving the results that you want to achieve and create your own theories and observations from that. Just get on YouTube and search high carb low fat vegan and I guarantee you will be inspired.

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There is so much ridiculousness in this post I don't even know where to begin.
Oh yes, people get too caught up in science.....NOT.

tinypastels

Okay, we all can agree to disagree. If you guys want to rely on the limits of selectively funded studies (usually by meat, dairy, other profitable industries) then go ahead an enjoy. You look great, and you're seeing your results. No wonder you think we're crazy. Just have to say, I bet your diet isn't nearly as tasty and abundant as mine. :laugh: :drinker: :laugh:

I would recommend "The Starch Solution" by Dr. John McDougall, "80/10/10" by Dr. Doug Graham, "Engine 2 Diet" by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, "Get Healthy Go Vegan" by Dr. Neal Barnard ...yes, THIS IS proven and explained by science, and it works long term. All these doctors are lean and fit. Try and find a lean and fit doctor that promotes carb restriction.

Leonidas_meets_Spartacus

Fat makes you fat, not carbs.

That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.

Maybe if you lay in bed all day stuffing your mouth full of hamburgers. When I first went vegan I didn't do any training due to slight overtraining but still ate like would die the next day and I lost 4 kg just like that. Now tell me, how is this possible if what you're saying is true. I weigh 69 kg and am super fit, and I assume you are overweight and struggling to run around the block. You could change this easy if you would just listen to me, just give it a try. Sorry if I offended you, I don't mean to hurt your feeling or anything, just trying to make a point

I lay in bed all day stuffing triple baconator, yet when I ate predominantly vegan diet, I was over weight. You should do what works for you, there is no one size fits all diet.

chivalryder

You can still gain weight while being on a vegan diet if you eat bad vegan foods high in fat. "Excess calories will make you gain weight", not really unless your metabolism is messed up. When a wolf catches its pray he/she doesn't stop and go "wait a minute, I shouldn't eat so much I might gain weight", the wolf ****ing feasts until he can't eat anymore. Please, try gaining weight from just fruits and veggies, try it.

A wolf feasts when they catch some prey because they may not eat again for 2 or more weeks.

Also, ever heard of winter? They're lucky if they find some prey to eat once a month. They often have to dig for food and eat roots of plants because they can't find any other food.

PRMinx

Okay, we all can agree to disagree. If you guys want to rely on the limits of selectively funded studies (usually by meat, dairy, other profitable industries) then go ahead an enjoy. You look great, and you're seeing your results. No wonder you think we're crazy. Just have to say, I bet your diet isn't nearly as tasty and abundant as mine. :laugh: :drinker: :laugh:

Why would you assume that a meat eaters diet isn't as tasty or abundant as your diet?