I like sugar
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Most raw vegans (or vegans, or raw foodists, or very strict vegetarians) do not struggle with their weight at all; and infact, can stand to put on a few pounds.
I can buy that raw vegans or foodists tend to not struggle with their weight, because it's physically harder to put away too much raw food. Regular vegans and strict vegetarians have to monitor intake as much as anyone else. I'm sure there are some lucky vegans that eat intuitively as there are some omnivores that eat intuitively, but I would disagree that it's the norm.
As for the animals, we've got some real chunkers around our neighborhood. They take advantage of the resources they've got. Why wouldn't they? They may not have it tomorrow. Humans have to use will power or moderation or whatever you want to call it because most of us know that we will have enough tomorrow.
You're right! I should have wrote very strict before vegans and vegetarians. There are a lot of things that can pack on the pounds for those two groups if they don't watch it carefully. My bad! I was trying to put a lot out there at once. :P
+1 for soooo many fat cats in my neighborhood! 20+ pounds suckers!0 -
You're right! I should have wrote very strict before vegans and vegetarians. There are a lot of things that can pack on the pounds for those two groups if they don't watch it carefully. My bad! I was trying to put a lot out there at once. :P
+1 for soooo many fat cats in my neighborhood! 20+ pounds suckers!
Yep, I'm a vegan who absolutely has to monitor intake if I want to stay at a healthy weight. :grumble:0 -
Domesticated animals like cats and dogs can get fat because they are fed treats and scraps that they shouldn't have access to by their owners.0
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I would just like to say that my dog, Zoe has no willpower. She will sit and beg below the cookie jar, silently, giving you that look.... until you give her a cookie. She'll eat the cookie, and repeat the begging and the look, until she gets another. I guess I have no willpower, either. :blushing:0
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Domesticated animals like cats and dogs can get fat because they are fed treats and scraps that they shouldn't have access to by their owners.
It's not just the domesticated animals around the neighborhood, I'm referring to the wild ones too. But owners making the food accessible and the animals eating demonstrates that they too enjoy food, and it's not just based on hunger and survival. We know the favorite foods of our pets-they hound, beg, and steal.0 -
I would just like to say that my dog, Zoe has no willpower. She will sit and beg below the cookie jar, silently, giving you that look.... until you give her a cookie. She'll eat the cookie, and repeat the begging and the look, until she gets another. I guess I have no willpower, either. :blushing:
Is she a Lab? She sounds like mine.
He has also gotten into his dog food bag and ate until he threw up then are some more.0 -
damn nosing at this thread i now want american pancakes bacon syrup n icecream too boohooo u allll instead im having my night snack as sprouts lol then again thats why im close to my goal so i shouldnt moan lol0
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I would just like to say that my dog, Zoe has no willpower. She will sit and beg below the cookie jar, silently, giving you that look.... until you give her a cookie. She'll eat the cookie, and repeat the begging and the look, until she gets another. I guess I have no willpower, either. :blushing:
Is she a Lab? She sounds like mine.
He has also gotten into his dog food bag and ate until he threw up then are some more.
My lab, Sam, is fed at 4pm so that he is full and to keep him from begging at the table. We do not feed him from the table, but he continues to beg and worst of all - drool like a faucet! We say that where food is concerned he is "ever hopeful".0 -
Bump, because this thread is awesome. :drinker:0
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Domesticated animals like cats and dogs can get fat because they are fed treats and scraps that they shouldn't have access to by their owners.
So. They lack willpower then?0 -
Is she a Lab? She sounds like mine.
Zoe is a Lab crossed with the devil. She would require an entirely separate thread.He has also gotten into his dog food bag and ate until he threw up then are some more.
There is a diagnosis for that.
My lab, Sam, is fed at 4pm so that he is full and to keep him from begging at the table. We do not feed him from the table, but he continues to beg and worst of all - drool like a faucet! We say that where food is concerned he is "ever hopeful".
Doesn't matter when we feed Zoe... even if we feed her at the same time, she'll beg at the table, until we are completely done, then she might eat her supper, or she might wait until the dishes are done, before she eats her own. We certainly enable her.... we don't often give her anything straight from the table, but she almost always gets some kind of table scrap after we are done. On Fast Food Fridays, when we eat takeaway in front of the TV... she picks the most likely target family member, and camps out, until they are done, and then moves on. She always gets something on Fast Food Friday. If she's fed before or during our meal, she'll run downstairs as soon as our food comes through the door.0 -
She always gets something on Fast Food Friday. If she's fed before or during our meal, she'll run downstairs as soon as our food comes through the door.
I don't really like fast food, but hubby gets it one night about every two weeks. Sam knows the word cheeseburger and will come running when we begin to talk about what he will order. That word must never be said - unless there will be a double in it for him.0 -
My dog throws up when I feed him meat. He's totally okay with dry dog food but wet dog food and/or meat? Oh God. It's a nightmare! He does love potato chips though. He's about 8 pounds and can eat a whole bag of chips on his own if I let him. Same with buttered popcorn. I think I have a closet vegetarianish dog.
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My dog throws up when I feed him meat. He's totally okay with dry dog food but wet dog food and/or meat? Oh God. It's a nightmare! He does love potato chips though. He's about 8 pounds and can eat a whole bag of chips on his own if I let him. Same with buttered popcorn. I think I have a closet vegetarianish dog.
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You're late, the topic is on to dogs now (I'm not complaining)0 -
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My sweet Sammy. He's guarding all the presents at Christmas.0 -
I don't really like fast food, but hubby gets it one night about every two weeks. Sam knows the word cheeseburger and will come running when we begin to talk about what he will order. That word must never be said - unless there will be a double in it for him.
Zoe knows all her favorite food names. I'm pretty sure she can tell them apart. We bribe Zoe to get her to come out to do her last business in the evening. With food. The speed at which she responds seems to be related to what food it is. 'Zoe, come for steak' probably gets a slightly faster response time, than 'Zoe, come for chicken.' Unless, maybe, it's 'gucked up chicken...' Sometimes the sauce really makes it. We even have to spell the word 'M-E-A-T' to try to disguise it from her, if we aren't actually offering it to her.
She so dearly loves french fries.... we always have to save french fries for her after a Fast Food Friday meal. A little bit of burger, and some fries, A few fries when she comes to the door to go out and do her business... and the rest, when the business is done. You should see the look of total disdain on her face, on the odd day when I might eat a salad with no M-E-A-T on it.... she's just like WTF?:huh:
* ETA * We try not to feed her much sugar though.... ( to stay on topic )
To much salt, sometimes, but not alot of sugar. 0 -
I don't really like fast food, but hubby gets it one night about every two weeks. Sam knows the word cheeseburger and will come running when we begin to talk about what he will order. That word must never be said - unless there will be a double in it for him.
Zoe knows all her favorite food names. I'm pretty sure she can tell them apart. We bribe Zoe to get her to come out to do her last business in the evening. With food. The speed at which she responds seems to be related to what food it is. 'Zoe, come for steak' probably gets a slightly faster response time, than 'Zoe, come for chicken.' Unless, maybe, it's 'gucked up chicken...' Sometimes the sauce really makes it. We even have to spell the word 'M-E-A-T' to try to disguise it from her, if we aren't actually offering it to her.
She so dearly loves french fries.... we always have to save french fries for her after a Fast Food Friday meal. A little bit of burger, and some fries, A few fries when she comes to the door to go out and do her business... and the rest, when the business is done. You should see the look of total disdain on her face, on the odd day when I might eat a salad with no M-E-A-T on it.... she's just like WTF?:huh:
I made the mistake of giving my lab a treat everytime he went out to do his business. All of the sudden I started noticing he had to go all. the. time. Then I let him out, he ran to the tree, didn't even lift his leg and ran back to collect his treat. Now its random rewards.
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I love sugar too. I don't smoke, barely drink, have cut out a lot of red meat, am losing weight & am getting healthier, sheesh don't take my sugar.
At the end of the day, a bit of sugar, even highly processed yummy stuff will kill me much slower than the 75lbs i was carrying 9 months ago.
Moteration, for me, includes having food i enjoy.0 -
I don't really like fast food, but hubby gets it one night about every two weeks. Sam knows the word cheeseburger and will come running when we begin to talk about what he will order. That word must never be said - unless there will be a double in it for him.
Zoe knows all her favorite food names. I'm pretty sure she can tell them apart. We bribe Zoe to get her to come out to do her last business in the evening. With food. The speed at which she responds seems to be related to what food it is. 'Zoe, come for steak' probably gets a slightly faster response time, than 'Zoe, come for chicken.' Unless, maybe, it's 'gucked up chicken...' Sometimes the sauce really makes it. We even have to spell the word 'M-E-A-T' to try to disguise it from her, if we aren't actually offering it to her.
She so dearly loves french fries.... we always have to save french fries for her after a Fast Food Friday meal. A little bit of burger, and some fries, A few fries when she comes to the door to go out and do her business... and the rest, when the business is done. You should see the look of total disdain on her face, on the odd day when I might eat a salad with no M-E-A-T on it.... she's just like WTF?:huh:
* ETA * We try not to feed her much sugar though.... ( to stay on topic ) To much salt, sometimes, but not alot of sugar.
She sounds a LOT like my lab. They are typically very intelligent dogs. We spell a lot too. It makes life easier. We don't give Sam many sweets either. He does love cookies. (Just to stay on the subject!)0 -
I don't really like fast food, but hubby gets it one night about every two weeks. Sam knows the word cheeseburger and will come running when we begin to talk about what he will order. That word must never be said - unless there will be a double in it for him.
Zoe knows all her favorite food names. I'm pretty sure she can tell them apart. We bribe Zoe to get her to come out to do her last business in the evening. With food. The speed at which she responds seems to be related to what food it is. 'Zoe, come for steak' probably gets a slightly faster response time, than 'Zoe, come for chicken.' Unless, maybe, it's 'gucked up chicken...' Sometimes the sauce really makes it. We even have to spell the word 'M-E-A-T' to try to disguise it from her, if we aren't actually offering it to her.
She so dearly loves french fries.... we always have to save french fries for her after a Fast Food Friday meal. A little bit of burger, and some fries, A few fries when she comes to the door to go out and do her business... and the rest, when the business is done. You should see the look of total disdain on her face, on the odd day when I might eat a salad with no M-E-A-T on it.... she's just like WTF?:huh:
I made the mistake of giving my lab a treat everytime he went out to do his business. All of the sudden I started noticing he had to go all. the. time. Then I let him out, he ran to the tree, didn't even lift his leg and ran back to collect his treat. Now its random rewards.
Loving the dog pics.
Now THAT is funny. :laugh: Sam has arthritis and a genetic heart defect, but he goes to the end of the driveway to retrieve the paper every morning for a piece of ham. If there is no paper to bring, he will scour the yard and bring back ANYTHING trash or stick related, to insure he gets his treat!0 -
Sorry, it's too big. Too lazy to edit. Pic is here....
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt157/sloth3toes/Zoe/ZoeBasket003.jpg0 -
Coming in a bit late because it's taken me a while to trawl through the studies to see what *I* could find first.
Could you point me to some research that backs them up "increases blood triglycerides" please? So far all I can find is "Dietary Fructose Reduces Circulating Insulin and Leptin, Attenuates Postprandial Suppression of Ghrelin, and Increases Triglycerides in Women" which doesn't very well represent real world consumption and is specific to fructose.Eating sugar (sucrose/fructose) increases visceral fat, increases blood triglycerides, makes insulin less efficient increasing the risk of diabetes and heart disease. It also changes our cholesterol transportation system (LDL) from safe pattern A to risky pattern B, again putting you at risk from heart disease. High sugar intake is also linked to pancreatic cancer, kidney disease and high blood pressure.
As an average, with 150 calories of sugar extra a day, your change of diabetes is increased by 1%. However, living in a country with a 1% lower GPD REDUCES your chance of diabetes by 1%. So, if you go to live somewhere with just 5% lower GDP, you can actually eat 750 calories EXTRA of sugar a day and still be at the same risk!
This is one of the problems with such studies.
With your pattern a/pattern b stuff, I can find some information that suggests that this is related to carbs overall, but nothing that specifies the type of carb. Any research to specify it is sugar over just 'iimym'?
From what I've seen, if you were given a choice to either exercise more or eat less sugar, focusing on the former would offer massively more significant rewards as far as reducing the likelihood of diabetes. So, reducing sugar would not be top of my priorities.
As far as pancreatic cancer goes, the best I can get is a bit of a correlation. No good evidence for causation. Do you have even strong evidence for correlation, or ideally causation?
Do you have anything to show the link to kidney disease apart from through Diabetes, which is already a pretty weak link.
The links with blood pressure again I can not find any causation. The studies that do show a correlation, I'm not sure if they've gone into good detail on other life style choices, though the one I was reading had certainly considered it.
Again, do you have a study that shows causation?0 -
The reason I say that is because it can be confusing for some people. For example I'm on a cut right now after adding 30lbs in my bulk. My cut is 2500 calories and after I hit my macro and micro's I don't have much room for any descresionary calories, especially considering I upped my protein from my normal amount in my bulk. It's can be deceiving saying I eat all the sugar, which I do, but at the same time only after hitting my macro's........
Need a calorie count on that......i know some shakes are 2000 calories. Anyway, will you or do you consume this every day?
What percentage of their calories was added sugar?Avoiding sugar is not just a weight loss aim, that's only a small part of it.
Eating sugar (sucrose/fructose) increases visceral fat, increases blood triglycerides, makes insulin less efficient increasing the risk of diabetes and heart disease. It also changes our cholesterol transportation system (LDL) from safe pattern A to risky pattern B, again putting you at risk from heart disease. High sugar intake is also linked to pancreatic cancer, kidney disease and high blood pressure.
The only sugar (fructose) you should eat is in whole fruit and vegetables.
What if someone has excellent blood work panels, is considered very low risk for heart disease by their doctor, has normal blood pressure, has glucose numbers in the normal range, exercises regularly, has a normal bmi/weight, has no other risk factors (non-smoker etc), has a lower bf% and has no health problems. Are you still saying the in face of all the signs that point to someone being perfectly healthy, while still eating sugar, they're not in fact healthy?
I'm not currently keeping a food journal, but let's just assume a decent amount :laugh: Yesterday I had a shake from steak n shake, a donut, two tsp of cinnamon sugar on top of my sweet potato and a homemade peanut butter rice krispy bar. That's off the top of my head for obvious added sugar, but I'm sure some of the other foods I ate also had some sugar in it too. My maintenance calorie range is in the 2,2500-2,500 range.
The shake/donut is usually a weekend thing I haven't kept a food journal in a few months, but I got a bf% estimate of 17% from sidesteel and sarauk a few days ago, so I am going to start tracking again, to see where my macros are falling (with the bf% number I can play around with macros a bit more). I don't have the sugar column on my tracking page, but I think I'll put it back up to see where I'm at-now I'm curious 0 -
Sorry, it's too big. Too lazy to edit. Pic is here....
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt157/sloth3toes/Zoe/ZoeBasket003.jpg
She's so much like my Sammy. Beautiful!0 -
Coming in a bit late because it's taken me a while to trawl through the studies to see what *I* could find first.
Could you point me to some research that backs them up "increases blood triglycerides" please? So far all I can find is "Dietary Fructose Reduces Circulating Insulin and Leptin, Attenuates Postprandial Suppression of Ghrelin, and Increases Triglycerides in Women" which doesn't very well represent real world consumption and is specific to fructose.Eating sugar (sucrose/fructose) increases visceral fat, increases blood triglycerides, makes insulin less efficient increasing the risk of diabetes and heart disease. It also changes our cholesterol transportation system (LDL) from safe pattern A to risky pattern B, again putting you at risk from heart disease. High sugar intake is also linked to pancreatic cancer, kidney disease and high blood pressure.
As an average, with 150 calories of sugar extra a day, your change of diabetes is increased by 1%. However, living in a country with a 1% lower GPD REDUCES your chance of diabetes by 1%. So, if you go to live somewhere with just 5% lower GDP, you can actually eat 750 calories EXTRA of sugar a day and still be at the same risk!
This is one of the problems with such studies.
With your pattern a/pattern b stuff, I can find some information that suggests that this is related to carbs overall, but nothing that specifies the type of carb. Any research to specify it is sugar over just 'iimym'?
From what I've seen, if you were given a choice to either exercise more or eat less sugar, focusing on the former would offer massively more significant rewards as far as reducing the likelihood of diabetes. So, reducing sugar would not be top of my priorities.
As far as pancreatic cancer goes, the best I can get is a bit of a correlation. No good evidence for causation. Do you have even strong evidence for correlation, or ideally causation?
Do you have anything to show the link to kidney disease apart from through Diabetes, which is already a pretty weak link.
The links with blood pressure again I can not find any causation. The studies that do show a correlation, I'm not sure if they've gone into good detail on other life style choices, though the one I was reading had certainly considered it.
Again, do you have a study that shows causation?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673878/ Against real world consumption http://www.champspublichealth.com/writedir/ab33Dietary Sugars Intake and Cardiovascular Health.pdf
LDL pattern B correlation with added sugar/fructose http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=185711
Pancreatic cancer http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/70/15/6368.full and http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/14/9/2098.full
Kidney disease and high blood pressure http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/4/899.full#sec-10 plus a bunch of other stuff.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673878/ Against real world consumption http://www.champspublichealth.com/writedir/ab33Dietary Sugars Intake and Cardiovascular Health.pdf
LDL pattern B correlation with added sugar/fructose http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=185711
Pancreatic cancer http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/70/15/6368.full and http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/14/9/2098.full
Kidney disease and high blood pressure http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/4/899.full#sec-10 plus a bunch of other stuff.
Thanks for the links.0 -
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