Nobel Prize Winner picks Diet of the Future
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Rex: You said you were gonna leave and then you came back to make more incoherent, fingers-in-ears arguments. What happened?
Cognitive impairment from a low-protein diet.0 -
Economists picking diets, grizzlies eating salads...
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Grizzly Bears are in the class carnivora. The link attached is to a US Fish And Game publication:
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/grizz_foods.pdf
Now how about my $1,000
Really? Then why are they in the Order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
First line from your link:The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals.
Did you even read it?
Yup. The Genius I posted this for said that carnivores eat ONLY meat. Did you read it? Do you think it said that?
It didn't say a damn thing about it, because grizzly's aren't carnivores.
Really! Why don't you stick your head in one's mouth then?
But they'd still eat you because they are OMNIVORES.
Really? Then why are they in the order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm0 -
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, but I think reducing meat consumption is a good goal for sustainability/environmental reasons. Nothing to do with health.
It doesn't matter what we eat, humans will expand to the limit of sustainability - plus a few steps further. This is true whether the diet consists of meat or non-meat.
Do you have a source for that, or is it just your opinion.
http://www.foodtimeline.org/0 -
One of the principal reasons Americans "recoil at eating whale" is precisely because affordable beef was available as an alternative.
People don't give a donkey turd about "factory farms", they care about eating yummy things at good prices. Eating of beef won't go away until an equally delicious - and affordable - alternative is available.
I care...and I pay a premium for that care.
But I suppose a distinction between pastured small farm raised and CAFO beef and pork isn't relevant in a thread like this. I get it...I'm the bad guy with an unsustainable diet...while commercial vegan farming is faultless and ideal.
All that to say...in, to catch up on this thread.0 -
Grizzly Bears are in the class carnivora. The link attached is to a US Fish And Game publication:
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/grizz_foods.pdf
Now how about my $1,000
Really? Then why are they in the Order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
First line from your link:The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals.
Did you even read it?
Yup. The Genius I posted this for said that carnivores eat ONLY meat. Did you read it? Do you think it said that?
It didn't say a damn thing about it, because grizzly's aren't carnivores.
Really! Why don't you stick your head in one's mouth then?
But they'd still eat you because they are OMNIVORES.
Really? Then why are they in the order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
You obviously missed my post in response before to this. I'll copy and paste for you again.Ummm no. From the reading in the article in your post: "The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals"
They are in the order of Carnivora...order meaning the classification of the species based on certain shared physical characteristics. Carnivore is the description on the diet of an animal/species.
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I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, but I think reducing meat consumption is a good goal for sustainability/environmental reasons. Nothing to do with health.
It doesn't matter what we eat, humans will expand to the limit of sustainability - plus a few steps further. This is true whether the diet consists of meat or non-meat.
Do you have a source for that, or is it just your opinion.
I am sure he could find a youtube video. Maybe one made by a gynecologist?
I could ask the guy that pumps my gas...
Would trust more than this Veggie Rex guy.0 -
Maybe it's just because I have a scientific background, but I don't understand why the 'diet of the future' would be inappropriate for an omnivore, which is what humans are. I guess being a Nobel prize winner doesn't include critical thinking skills. :noway:
He is saying that meat won't be available or considered a good food in the future. He didn't say plants were not appropriate for omnivores. And by the way, humans are herbivores:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUa814suU9A
You simply haven't had enough time to watch the half hour presentation by Dr Roberts, perhaps the top cardiologist in the USA. But of course, why should you. There is no requirement to actually know or understand a subject before sounding off on it.
You've just lost all credibility. Educate yourself. And by that , I mean look for sources other than Youtube.
You know, if you actually looked at what I posted you might be in a much better position to understand who was talking, what his arguements were and why he is right. Of course this is the age of the 15 second attention span and soundbites. So to give you a snippet ofWilliam C. Roberts, M.D.
Dr. William Roberts is executive director of the Baylor Cardiovascular Institute of Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. He received his M.D. from Emory University School of Medicine in 1958. Before coming to Baylor in 1993 he was chief of the pathology branch of the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, and with his colleagues there published more than 1,150 articles on cardiovascular disease in medical journals. Dr. Roberts has authored several books on cardiovascular disease, has spoken at more than 1,300 medical meetings and serves as editor-in-chief of The American Journal of Cardiology. His research focuses on morphologic aspects of cardiovascular disease. what you missed, here is the Bio of the speaker:
Next time don't criticize a post you haven't read.
what qualifies a cardiologist to speak on evolution? Did he stay at a holiday inn last night?
What qualifies you to speak about anything? Why don't you tell us your credentials so we can see why you are so much better qualified to talk about what a herbivore is than the Editor of the American Journal of Cardiology/
I am not the one countering known science and trying to say that humans are herbivores….so I don't need to qualify anything..
I think you need to less coca plants in your diet, you are really high strung...
Okay, I asked this before and I got the wrong answer. Let me ask it againl
What is the difference between a herbivore, omnivore and a carnivore? Be precise0 -
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, but I think reducing meat consumption is a good goal for sustainability/environmental reasons. Nothing to do with health.
It doesn't matter what we eat, humans will expand to the limit of sustainability - plus a few steps further. This is true whether the diet consists of meat or non-meat.
Do you have a source for that, or is it just your opinion.
I am sure he could find a youtube video. Maybe one made by a gynecologist?
I could ask the guy that pumps my gas...
Would trust more than this Veggie Rex guy.
hell, I would trust the guy on the corner with a sign that says 'will work for food' more than this guy ….0 -
Maybe it's just because I have a scientific background, but I don't understand why the 'diet of the future' would be inappropriate for an omnivore, which is what humans are. I guess being a Nobel prize winner doesn't include critical thinking skills. :noway:
He is saying that meat won't be available or considered a good food in the future. He didn't say plants were not appropriate for omnivores. And by the way, humans are herbivores:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUa814suU9A
You simply haven't had enough time to watch the half hour presentation by Dr Roberts, perhaps the top cardiologist in the USA. But of course, why should you. There is no requirement to actually know or understand a subject before sounding off on it.
You've just lost all credibility. Educate yourself. And by that , I mean look for sources other than Youtube.
You know, if you actually looked at what I posted you might be in a much better position to understand who was talking, what his arguements were and why he is right. Of course this is the age of the 15 second attention span and soundbites. So to give you a snippet ofWilliam C. Roberts, M.D.
Dr. William Roberts is executive director of the Baylor Cardiovascular Institute of Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. He received his M.D. from Emory University School of Medicine in 1958. Before coming to Baylor in 1993 he was chief of the pathology branch of the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, and with his colleagues there published more than 1,150 articles on cardiovascular disease in medical journals. Dr. Roberts has authored several books on cardiovascular disease, has spoken at more than 1,300 medical meetings and serves as editor-in-chief of The American Journal of Cardiology. His research focuses on morphologic aspects of cardiovascular disease. what you missed, here is the Bio of the speaker:
Next time don't criticize a post you haven't read.
what qualifies a cardiologist to speak on evolution? Did he stay at a holiday inn last night?
What qualifies you to speak about anything? Why don't you tell us your credentials so we can see why you are so much better qualified to talk about what a herbivore is than the Editor of the American Journal of Cardiology/
I am not the one countering known science and trying to say that humans are herbivores….so I don't need to qualify anything..
I think you need to less coca plants in your diet, you are really high strung...
Okay, I asked this before and I got the wrong answer. Let me ask it againl
What is the difference between a herbivore, omnivore and a carnivore? Be precise
I believe you already got an answer on this, or have you forgotten already?
I do not need, nor do I have any desire, to prove my intellect to you.0 -
Grizzly Bears are in the class carnivora. The link attached is to a US Fish And Game publication:
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/grizz_foods.pdf
Now how about my $1,000
Really? Then why are they in the Order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
First line from your link:The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals.
Did you even read it?
Yup. The Genius I posted this for said that carnivores eat ONLY meat. Did you read it? Do you think it said that?
It didn't say a damn thing about it, because grizzly's aren't carnivores.
Really! Why don't you stick your head in one's mouth then?
But they'd still eat you because they are OMNIVORES.
Really? Then why are they in the order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
From the page YOU quoted
"The grizzly bear is omnivorous. It eats berries, roots, fungi, grasses, fish, carrion, small mammals and insects. It is very good at catching fish and it often uses its long claws to dig insects out of rotting logs and small mammals out of their burrows. Some grizzly bears in the Canadian Rockies hunt larger animals like moose, elk and goats."
don't read your own links eh :laugh:0 -
Maybe it's just because I have a scientific background, but I don't understand why the 'diet of the future' would be inappropriate for an omnivore, which is what humans are. I guess being a Nobel prize winner doesn't include critical thinking skills. :noway:
He is saying that meat won't be available or considered a good food in the future. He didn't say plants were not appropriate for omnivores. And by the way, humans are herbivores:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUa814suU9A
You simply haven't had enough time to watch the half hour presentation by Dr Roberts, perhaps the top cardiologist in the USA. But of course, why should you. There is no requirement to actually know or understand a subject before sounding off on it.
You've just lost all credibility. Educate yourself. And by that , I mean look for sources other than Youtube.
You know, if you actually looked at what I posted you might be in a much better position to understand who was talking, what his arguements were and why he is right. Of course this is the age of the 15 second attention span and soundbites. So to give you a snippet ofWilliam C. Roberts, M.D.
Dr. William Roberts is executive director of the Baylor Cardiovascular Institute of Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. He received his M.D. from Emory University School of Medicine in 1958. Before coming to Baylor in 1993 he was chief of the pathology branch of the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, and with his colleagues there published more than 1,150 articles on cardiovascular disease in medical journals. Dr. Roberts has authored several books on cardiovascular disease, has spoken at more than 1,300 medical meetings and serves as editor-in-chief of The American Journal of Cardiology. His research focuses on morphologic aspects of cardiovascular disease. what you missed, here is the Bio of the speaker:
Next time don't criticize a post you haven't read.
what qualifies a cardiologist to speak on evolution? Did he stay at a holiday inn last night?
What qualifies you to speak about anything? Why don't you tell us your credentials so we can see why you are so much better qualified to talk about what a herbivore is than the Editor of the American Journal of Cardiology/
I am not the one countering known science and trying to say that humans are herbivores….so I don't need to qualify anything..
I think you need to less coca plants in your diet, you are really high strung...
Okay, I asked this before and I got the wrong answer. Let me ask it againl
What is the difference between a herbivore, omnivore and a carnivore? Be precise
Herbivore - species that eat solely vegetation.
Carnivores - species that eat solely meat.
Omnivores - species that eat BOTH vegetation and meat.
This is what is taught in elementary schools.0 -
Grizzly Bears are in the class carnivora. The link attached is to a US Fish And Game publication:
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/grizz_foods.pdf
Now how about my $1,000
Really? Then why are they in the Order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
First line from your link:The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals.
Did you even read it?
Yup. The Genius I posted this for said that carnivores eat ONLY meat. Did you read it? Do you think it said that?
It didn't say a damn thing about it, because grizzly's aren't carnivores.
Really! Why don't you stick your head in one's mouth then?
But they'd still eat you because they are OMNIVORES.
Really? Then why are they in the order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
You obviously missed my post in response before to this. I'll copy and paste for you again.Ummm no. From the reading in the article in your post: "The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals"
They are in the order of Carnivora...order meaning the classification of the species based on certain shared physical characteristics. Carnivore is the description on the diet of an animal/species.
:flowerforyou:
And where does the word "carnivore" come from?
Let me ask again: What is the precise definition of a Herbivore, an Omnivore, and a Carnivore? Your definition should make it clear that the Grizzly is not a carnivore as you claim, but you should also give some examples of animals that are carnivores, and explain why they are different from say the Grizzly.
Good luck.0 -
Okay, I asked this before and I got the wrong answer. Let me ask it againl
No more answers for you until you pay up the bet you already lost.0 -
Grizzly Bears are in the class carnivora. The link attached is to a US Fish And Game publication:
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/grizz_foods.pdf
Now how about my $1,000
Really? Then why are they in the Order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
First line from your link:The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals.
Did you even read it?
Yup. The Genius I posted this for said that carnivores eat ONLY meat. Did you read it? Do you think it said that?
It didn't say a damn thing about it, because grizzly's aren't carnivores.
Really! Why don't you stick your head in one's mouth then?
But they'd still eat you because they are OMNIVORES.
Really? Then why are they in the order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
You obviously missed my post in response before to this. I'll copy and paste for you again.Ummm no. From the reading in the article in your post: "The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals"
They are in the order of Carnivora...order meaning the classification of the species based on certain shared physical characteristics. Carnivore is the description on the diet of an animal/species.
:flowerforyou:
And where does the word "carnivore" come from?
Let me ask again: What is the precise definition of a Herbivore, an Omnivore, and a Carnivore? Your definition should make it clear that the Grizzly is not a carnivore as you claim, but you should also give some examples of animals that are carnivores, and explain why they are different from say the Grizzly.
Good luck.
Based on shared physical characteristics, Grizzly fall in the ORDER of Carnivora. But being in this ORDER, which is based on shared physical characteristics, doesn't mean they are carnivores. They are omnivores.
Carnivora =/= carnivores.0 -
Hmm, a cheeseburger sounds really good right now.
Maybe with some bacon.
OH my word I now know what I"m having for dinner.0 -
Maybe it's just because I have a scientific background, but I don't understand why the 'diet of the future' would be inappropriate for an omnivore, which is what humans are. I guess being a Nobel prize winner doesn't include critical thinking skills. :noway:
He is saying that meat won't be available or considered a good food in the future. He didn't say plants were not appropriate for omnivores. And by the way, humans are herbivores:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUa814suU9A
You simply haven't had enough time to watch the half hour presentation by Dr Roberts, perhaps the top cardiologist in the USA. But of course, why should you. There is no requirement to actually know or understand a subject before sounding off on it.
You've just lost all credibility. Educate yourself. And by that , I mean look for sources other than Youtube.
You know, if you actually looked at what I posted you might be in a much better position to understand who was talking, what his arguements were and why he is right. Of course this is the age of the 15 second attention span and soundbites. So to give you a snippet ofWilliam C. Roberts, M.D.
Dr. William Roberts is executive director of the Baylor Cardiovascular Institute of Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. He received his M.D. from Emory University School of Medicine in 1958. Before coming to Baylor in 1993 he was chief of the pathology branch of the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, and with his colleagues there published more than 1,150 articles on cardiovascular disease in medical journals. Dr. Roberts has authored several books on cardiovascular disease, has spoken at more than 1,300 medical meetings and serves as editor-in-chief of The American Journal of Cardiology. His research focuses on morphologic aspects of cardiovascular disease. what you missed, here is the Bio of the speaker:
Next time don't criticize a post you haven't read.
what qualifies a cardiologist to speak on evolution? Did he stay at a holiday inn last night?
What qualifies you to speak about anything? Why don't you tell us your credentials so we can see why you are so much better qualified to talk about what a herbivore is than the Editor of the American Journal of Cardiology/
I am not the one countering known science and trying to say that humans are herbivores….so I don't need to qualify anything..
I think you need to less coca plants in your diet, you are really high strung...
Okay, I asked this before and I got the wrong answer. Let me ask it againl
What is the difference between a herbivore, omnivore and a carnivore? Be precise
Herbivore - species that eat solely vegetation.
Carnivores - species that eat solely meat.
Omnivores - species that eat BOTH vegetation and meat.
This is what is taught in elementary schools.
Yes that is an elementary school definition. Now tell me at least one animal in each group. For example, we have already established by our self proclaimed expert on taxa that Grizzlies are not carnivores but omnivores. I really want to see how far you can take this before it implodes.0 -
Grizzly Bears are in the class carnivora. The link attached is to a US Fish And Game publication:
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/grizz_foods.pdf
Now how about my $1,000
Really? Then why are they in the Order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
First line from your link:The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals.
Did you even read it?
Yup. The Genius I posted this for said that carnivores eat ONLY meat. Did you read it? Do you think it said that?
It didn't say a damn thing about it, because grizzly's aren't carnivores.
Really! Why don't you stick your head in one's mouth then?
But they'd still eat you because they are OMNIVORES.
Really? Then why are they in the order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
From the page YOU quoted
"The grizzly bear is omnivorous. It eats berries, roots, fungi, grasses, fish, carrion, small mammals and insects. It is very good at catching fish and it often uses its long claws to dig insects out of rotting logs and small mammals out of their burrows. Some grizzly bears in the Canadian Rockies hunt larger animals like moose, elk and goats."
don't read your own links eh :laugh:
OP do you even read? Or do you just watch videos and quote them as absolute fact?0 -
And where does the word "carnivore" come from?
Let me ask again: What is the precise definition of a Herbivore, an Omnivore, and a Carnivore? Your definition should make it clear that the Grizzly is not a carnivore as you claim, but you should also give some examples of animals that are carnivores, and explain why they are different from say the Grizzly.
Good luck.
The diverse order Carnivora (/kɑrˈnɪvərə/ or /ˌkɑrnɪˈvɔərə/; from Latin carō (stem carn-) "flesh", + vorāre "to devour") includes over 280 species of placental mammals. Its members are formally referred to as carnivorans, whereas the word "carnivore" (often popularly applied to members of this group) can refer to any meat-eating organism. Carnivorans are the most diverse in size of any mammalian order, ranging from the least weasel (Mustela nivalis), at as little as 25 g (0.88 oz) and 11 cm (4.3 in), to the polar bear (Ursus maritimus), which can weigh up to 1,000 kg (2,200 lb), to the southern elephant seal (Mirounga leonina), whose adult males weigh up to 5,000 kg (11,000 lb) and measure up to 6.9 m (23 ft) in length.
While all carnivores are from the order Carnivora not all Carnivora are carnivores. Simples :flowerforyou:0 -
Grizzly Bears are in the class carnivora. The link attached is to a US Fish And Game publication:
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/grizz_foods.pdf
Now how about my $1,000
Really? Then why are they in the Order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
First line from your link:The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals.
Did you even read it?
Yup. The Genius I posted this for said that carnivores eat ONLY meat. Did you read it? Do you think it said that?
It didn't say a damn thing about it, because grizzly's aren't carnivores.
Really! Why don't you stick your head in one's mouth then?
But they'd still eat you because they are OMNIVORES.
Really? Then why are they in the order Carnivora?
http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/grizzly.htm
You obviously missed my post in response before to this. I'll copy and paste for you again.Ummm no. From the reading in the article in your post: "The grizzly bear, like its cousin the black bear, is omnivorous, meaning it will eat plants, as well as insects and other animals"
They are in the order of Carnivora...order meaning the classification of the species based on certain shared physical characteristics. Carnivore is the description on the diet of an animal/species.
:flowerforyou:
And where does the word "carnivore" come from?
Let me ask again: What is the precise definition of a Herbivore, an Omnivore, and a Carnivore? Your definition should make it clear that the Grizzly is not a carnivore as you claim, but you should also give some examples of animals that are carnivores, and explain why they are different from say the Grizzly.
Good luck.
Who ever claimed a grizzly was a carnivore?
A jellyfish is a carnivore. It eats meat. A beat is an omnivore. it eats meat and plants. A cow is an herbivore. It eats plants.
Is that defined enough for you or...?
Also, side noteMembers of the mammalian order Carnivora are the descendants of a successful late Paleocene radiation of mammals whose primitive food habits were carnivorous. The name "Carnivora" is sometimes taken to mean that members of this group are all carnivorous or that all carnivorous mammals are members of this group. This is not so. Members of Carnivora have diverse food habits, although many are primarily carnivorous, and carnivory is widely distributed in mammals, being found in many other orders including bats, marsupial mammals, primates, and dolphins and whales.0
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