Nobel Prize Winner picks Diet of the Future

VegesaurusRex

Ok, I've been slowly watching this thread's **** show and have this to say. I lose respect immediately for anyone who says "I went to x school. I bet you couldn't even get in there" as proof of intelligence. People can get into schools for a lot of reasons, it doesn't mean they learned anything. Meanwhile, someone can go to crappy nowhereville school with no prestige and get a better education than at a prestigious school.

I agree. I was in the class of 1965 at Penn. I then went to a less prestigious but extremely competitive professional school (about 2000 applicants for 160 seats.) Following that, I got another degree for fun. I got my last one about three years ago.

I am sorry I told you I went to Penn. I should know better.

jonnythan

Ok, I've been slowly watching this thread's **** show and have this to say. I lose respect immediately for anyone who says "I went to x school. I bet you couldn't even get in there" as proof of intelligence. People can get into schools for a lot of reasons, it doesn't mean they learned anything. Meanwhile, someone can go to crappy nowhereville school with no prestige and get a better education than at a prestigious school.

I agree. I was in the class of 1965 at Penn. I then went to a less prestigious but extremely competitive professional school (about 2000 applicants for 160 seats.) Following that, I got another degree for fun. I got my last one about three years ago.

I am sorry I told you I went to Penn. I should know better.

Well you must be smarter than all the rest of us, who went to.... well you don't know where any of us went, or what we studied. But there's no way it could match your unique resume.

Sunka1

First off..Carnivora isn't a class or a genius. It is an order. And Carnivora order is based on physical characteristics, not diet.
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Ok. So we can scratch all those comments about canine teeth and digestive tracts etc. right? Cause that is not diet that is physical characteristics. Right?

VegesaurusRex

Even though not a fear mongering thread, I still think this quote deserves to be here.

"Unfortunately, research-based refutation of fear mongering tends to be ineffective as those who are most prone to succumbing to such in the first place are also the least likely to apply critical thinking." - Wonderpug from bb.com via Sidesteel

Maybe you should email Dr Roberts and let him know your opinions.

devil_in_a_blue_dress

Ok, I've been slowly watching this thread's **** show and have this to say. I lose respect immediately for anyone who says "I went to x school. I bet you couldn't even get in there" as proof of intelligence. People can get into schools for a lot of reasons, it doesn't mean they learned anything. Meanwhile, someone can go to crappy nowhereville school with no prestige and get a better education than at a prestigious school.

I agree. I was in the class of 1965 at Penn. I then went to a less prestigious but extremely competitive professional school (about 2000 applicants for 160 seats.) Following that, I got another degree for fun. I got my last one about three years ago.

I am sorry I told you I went to Penn. I should know better.

You should know better about a lot of things you've written in this thread.

Achrya

First off..Carnivora isn't a class or a genius. It is an order. And Carnivora order is based on physical characteristics, not diet.

Ok. So we can scratch all those comments about canine teeth and digestive tracts etc. right? Cause that is not diet that is physical characteristics. Right?
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...are you trying to say that digestive tract isn't relative to diet? Because...um...wow.

Sunka1

Veganism is only possible due to modern agriculture, therefore how is it the way we are supposed to eat?

So carnivores would survive without agriculture? That's funny.

PikaKnight

Even though not a fear mongering thread, I still think this quote deserves to be here.

"Unfortunately, research-based refutation of fear mongering tends to be ineffective as those who are most prone to succumbing to such in the first place are also the least likely to apply critical thinking." - Wonderpug from bb.com via Sidesteel

Maybe you should email Dr Roberts and let him know your opinions.

Nah. But I did find these opinions interesting.
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/we-are-not-herbivores.html#.Utr9shDn_IU

Iron_Feline

Veganism is only possible due to modern agriculture, therefore how is it the way we are supposed to eat?

So carnivores would survive without agriculture? That's funny.

of course they would - you don't need modern agriculture to hunt :noway:

and there is that small matter of B12.

eric_sg61

Veganism is only possible due to modern agriculture, therefore how is it the way we are supposed to eat?

So carnivores would survive without agriculture? That's funny.

Millions of years of human existence has proven it

jonnythan

Veganism is impossible without modern technology to produce B12. Period. That's a fact.

wheird

Veganism is only possible due to modern agriculture, therefore how is it the way we are supposed to eat?

So carnivores would survive without agriculture? That's funny.

Well, carnivores existed before modern agriculture. and before farming, period.

Sunka1

I would also like to know how "meat will be expensive" is an argument in favor of people being herbivores.

Perhaps third world hunger is an argument in favor of people not needing to eat?

Or that we need to stop feeding all our food to animals so we can eat them.

SailorKnightWing

Found the vegans.

PikaKnight

I would also like to know how "meat will be expensive" is an argument in favor of people being herbivores.

Perhaps third world hunger is an argument in favor of people not needing to eat?

Or that we need to stop feeding all our food to animals so we can eat them.

So starve the animals? Awww, that's mean.

Shedding4Wedding2014

:laugh:

Sunka1

Rex: You said you were gonna leave and then you came back to make more incoherent, fingers-in-ears arguments. What happened?

"This is the worst thread"

You're still here.

Iron_Feline

Veganism is only possible due to modern agriculture, therefore how is it the way we are supposed to eat?

So carnivores would survive without agriculture? That's funny.

Oh you're a person who said a pound of feathers definitely weighs more than a pound of fat .

I am now ignoring you for saying such ridiculously idiotic things, both now and in the past :noway:

PikaKnight

Rex: You said you were gonna leave and then you came back to make more incoherent, fingers-in-ears arguments. What happened?

"This is the worst thread"

You're still here.

But they never said they were going to leave. So.....

SunofaBeach14

Are you really 70? Because if you are, then you'll note the age differences between you and Sun. So why would you know if he really lectured there or not? Do you know every single lecturer since you attended? That's just..a bit weird.

How the hell would I know how old he is. I don't look at anyones bio here. I really don't care.

But he claims he lectured at may Alma Mater. That was a gratuitous comment so I would like to know what he lectured in.

Law and economics at the law school and Wharton. But it is completely besides the point as your continued failure to grasp the most basic of logical fallacies demonstrates to me that you are not anything like what you claim to be.

PikaKnight

Reminds me a little of Gordon. Rex, do you believe you have time traveled? Just curious.

Love4fitnesslove4food2

I hope this is true:

http://www.animalequality.net/news/603/nobel-prize-winner-predicts-rise-veganism-2014

I predict and believe that the farm to fork philosophy will rise exponentially faster.

I certainly prefer the farm to fork philosophy. I hate all the bigotry surrounding individual food philosophies.

FredDoyle

In case anyone missed it, Joy_Joy_ posted a link to a refutation of Dr. Roberts:

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/we-are-not-herbivores.html#.Utr-uXn8VNV

Whambam087

No one could be a healthy vegan without the convenience of modern technology unless maybe you live at the equator where plant life is abundant year round

BeachGingerOnTheRocks

Hey! You know what this thread needs? Even more derp because, you know, there just isn't enough.

VegesaurusRex

Okay this is my last post, and only because Joy put up that ridiculous refutation of Roberts.

First you should know that the author of that article has his own high fat meat eating organization. He also died of a heart attack at age 77, which is a remarkable old age for a meat eater.

livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-high-fat-diet-guru-barry-groves-77-passes-away/18318

Second, if you look at the cites you will see his animal studies pretty much all come from a 1969 study of zoo deaths, and not a single one of the creatures who died in the study had cholesterol plaque buildup that occluded the arteries. That is in fact what Dr Roberts talked about, so the studies were immaterial.

Finally, I apologize to all of you for bringing you information you were not capable of understanding. I won't do it again. And if SonofBeach was a Wharton or Penn Law School professor I am the queen of Spain. Have fun with that. You are all juvenile enough to play with that and entertain yourselves for hours. This is my last post on this board;

salembambi

I hope this is true as well OP :bigsmile:

Sunka1

Veganism is only possible due to modern agriculture, therefore how is it the way we are supposed to eat?

So carnivores would survive without agriculture? That's funny.

of course they would - you don't need modern agriculture to hunt :noway:

and there is that small matter of B12.

Right. I forgot the average carnivore Hunts. That's also funny.
Not sure and not gonna google it but I think we solved the whole B12 thing in the 90's or 80's?

Iron_Feline

Okay this is my last post, and only because Joy put up that ridiculous refutation of Roberts.

First you should know that the author of that article has his own high fat meat eating organization. He also died of a heart attack at age 77, which is a remarkable old age for a meat eater.

livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-high-fat-diet-guru-barry-groves-77-passes-away/18318

Second, if you look at the cites you will see his animal studies pretty much all come from a 1969 study of zoo deaths, and not a single one of the creatures who died in the study had cholesterol plaque buildup that occluded the arteries. That is in fact what Dr Roberts talked about, so the studies were immaterial.

Finally, I apologize to all of you for bringing you information you were not capable of understanding. I won't do it again. And if SonofBeach was a Wharton or Penn Law School professor I am the queen of Spain. Have fun with that. You are all juvenile enough to play with that and entertain yourselves for hours. This is my last post on this board;

And the queen has left the building :drinker:

jonnythan

Veganism is only possible due to modern agriculture, therefore how is it the way we are supposed to eat?

So carnivores would survive without agriculture? That's funny.

of course they would - you don't need modern agriculture to hunt :noway:

and there is that small matter of B12.

Right. I forgot the average carnivore Hunts. That's also funny.
Not sure and not gonna google it but I think we solved the whole B12 thing in the 90's or 80's?

Yes, through the use of modern chemical engineering.