A Calorie is NOT just a Calorie
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I feel we're beating a dead horse...:yawn:0
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But a "calorie is a calorie" as generic as it is, actually addresses that willpower issue IMO.
It lets people know they don't have to waste willpower cutting out wide swaths of food and/or demonizing entire macros. If the goal is to reduce willpower to the lowest level (i tend to agree) then I see "Calories in/Calories Out" as an important part of that equation.
For sure.
We know that as a dieting model anything which puts high levels of restriction against willpower generally tends to fail. Our stores of willpower are finite and if it constantly has to fight the tension created by deprivation it will buckle most times. People then feel they have failed and go on to hoover up everything palatable food item in a ten mile radius. That is why the idea of CICO really helps as it reduces feelings of deprivation as you understand that you can incorporate pretty much anything and still succeed.
The problem comes when you have foods which people have tremendously difficult regulating their intake of properly. Knowing intellectually that CICO will work ("twinkie diet yo!") doesn't give you the skills, particularly psychological, to do so, especially when eating them has become autonomous. Moderation may not even be the best solution in the short term. Giving some people alternative strategies to deal with their "kryptonite"may be necessary.
I think the detailed discussions of physiology are good but not when it crowds out discussions about dieting psychology. Addressing both are important.
Yes - agreed 100% :drinker:0 -
It's not like we're psychiatrists. If someone truly physically can't muster their own strength to eat in moderation, maybe they're better off seeking professional help instead of an internet forum.I think it's a cult.
Have you met the Church of Heavy Lifting yet? That's always fun...
On a serious note I do think that people are genuinely trying to help. However they seem to forget, do not care or do not even know perhaps that knowing something intellectually does not mean the person they are giving the advice to has the skills or psychological profile to even implement the idea.
I get the impression that some people think if they give a dieter valid but generic information such as a "calorie is a calorie" or balance your macros that this will somehow help that person magically to overcome their issues with food or over eating. Sometimes this does work. In many instances it does not. And the instances where it does not is where these forums are severely lacking in quality advice because the only solution appears to be "use willpower" (when in fact having a dietary set up where the need for willpower is reduced to the lowest level possible is far, far better. How that set up is achieved is as much art as science).0 -
Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.0 -
It's not like we're psychiatrists. If someone truly physically can't muster their own strength to eat in moderation, maybe they're better off seeking professional help instead of an internet forum.
Well most people here aren't doctors or scientists either, but we still share our knowledge of weight loss. Don't see how sharing psychological tips and thoughts is any different.
Plus, social support is a big part of the psychological puzzle IMO, so the forum seems like the perfect place to discuss it.0 -
Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.
After all that you said, it takes me back to your first sentence and makes me really wonder if you really read the thread...0 -
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
He is an IFBB pro, so he is prolly on a stack of steroids that some of us can't even afford...
I won't touch the rest of your post tho.0 -
Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.
BOOM. thank you. and I'm already pretty thin..i would not call 125 fat. its about building muscle and getting toned for me. THANK YOU0 -
He is an IFBB pro, so he is prolly on a stack of steroids that some of us can't even afford...
I won't touch the rest of your post tho.
Yes, he is am IFBB Pro. But not in bodybuilding. IF he would use any type of steroid - or clen, DNP or whatever, he still hadn't get that ripped eating whater he wanted as long as he was on a calorie deficit.0 -
Neither of which is going to happen if you continue to eat 900 calories or less a day.Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.
BOOM. thank you. and I'm already pretty thin..i would not call 125 fat. its about building muscle and getting toned for me. THANK YOU0 -
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Sorry but I look at the people here that I have learned the most from...no names mentioned *cough Sara and SS and whole gamit of others Jonny cough* and I know they treat themselves everyday and look amazing.
But just because there is a treat usually everyday doesn't mean the other choices are all crap..
If anyone who questions this diaries are open...you will see cookies, poptarts, ice cream...but you also see lean chicken, skim milk, non fat greek yogurt with fresh fruit.
But I personally will be gded if I give up having the items I want to eat...ie chocolate everyday even if it's half a serving...and I am healthy, getting very fit, dropping weight slowly, building strength, loss of BF%
I will wash my food that's as clean as it gets...I might even something off the floor if it hasn't been there more than 5secs..esp if it's chocolate0 -
Neither of which is going to happen if you continue to eat 900 calories or less a day.Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.
BOOM. thank you. and I'm already pretty thin..i would not call 125 fat. its about building muscle and getting toned for me. THANK YOU
x1000 or on 1200 calories a day...0 -
Yes, he is am IFBB Pro. But not in bodybuilding. IF he would use any type of steroid - or clen, DNP or whatever, he still hadn't get that ripped eating whater he wanted as long as he was on a calorie deficit.
Do they drug test for the physique section of IFBB? If not, safe to assume all the top level guys are on gear. If they do test, my bad, i know they don't for BB
Secondly, you know there are ripped people who follow IIFYM right?
Eric Helms
Alberto Nunez
Matt Ogus
Omar Isuf
Four quick examples.0 -
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Non sense. If you can show me a controlled study or trial that shows the difference between eating clean foods (which is very loosely defined) and a person who eats in moderation but still holds protein levels, then I might believe you. Its ridiculous to think that a person such as myself who eats 165g -180g of protein and 2400 calories would benefit any greater if I replace my nightly Klondike bar. From what I can tell, your presumption is that by eating dirty, you alter the macronutrient % to a less favorable (probably reduction in protein) causing less desirable results. Below is sarah who eats ice cream nightly and lost a lot of weight. She is a power lifter and this was prebulk.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/903628-one-year-of-barbells-and-ice-cream-my-story-so-far-pics?hl=a+year+of+lifting+and+ice+cream0 -
I don't know how many calories I can eat a day without gaining fat, because MFP doesn't tell me how many calories I burn from weight training0
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Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.
I think you're rambling on missing the point entirely. IIFYM doesn't mean eating "bad" food all day long. It means taking in 20-30% of your calories from things you enjoy.
I've slow bulked twice now ... once with CLEAN eating for months and once with dirty eating. my weight went to the same exact spot, my body comp was the same, and I felt the same.
Do you HONESTLY believe your body knows you get protein from a Big Mac vs. a chicken breast?
Granted... I know I won't preform 100% going into my deadlifts trying to get up 500lbs. on a stomach full of pop-tarts and Snickers. But eating "bad" labeled food is fine in moderation.
IFBB guys do the same. Jay Cutler / Kai Greene even said they did. They stop a few months before a show to drop all excess water weight.
You can lose weight and look good eating McDonalds all day if you want, but, you won't preform 100% lifting 500+lbs, I'll vouch for that. But for body comp it's perfectly fine.
NATURAL examples:
Brandon Campbell
Hodge Twins (< --- my personal inspiration)
Matt Ogus (ripped as hell)
Chris Lavado (ripped as hell)0 -
No doubt that eating had a lot to do with his physique, but steroids affect physique greatly too. There's no denial that someone who has a good physique, greatly enhances it even more with steroids.
He is an IFBB pro, so he is prolly on a stack of steroids that some of us can't even afford...
I won't touch the rest of your post tho.
Yes, he is am IFBB Pro. But not in bodybuilding. IF he would use any type of steroid - or clen, DNP or whatever, he still hadn't get that ripped eating whater he wanted as long as he was on a calorie deficit.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition0 -
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Non sense. If you can show me a controlled study or trial that shows the difference between eating clean foods (which is very loosely defined) and a person who eats in moderation but still holds protein levels, then I might believe you. Its ridiculous to think that a person such as myself who eats 165g -180g of protein and 2400 calories would benefit any greater if I replace my nightly Klondike bar. From what I can tell, your presumption is that by eating dirty, you alter the macronutrient % to a less favorable (probably reduction in protein) causing less desirable results. Below is sarah who eats ice cream nightly and lost a lot of weight. She is a power lifter and this was prebulk.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/903628-one-year-of-barbells-and-ice-cream-my-story-so-far-pics?hl=a+year+of+lifting+and+ice+cream
Bingo.
And just FYI, altering your diet to a 'clean' diet can be detrimental depending on whether the dieter understands that they need to maintain certain macros. I did that to myself as a teenager - followed a less than knowledgeable sports trainer's suggestions, transitioned to a clean diet (though no-one called it that back then) - and wrecked my digestive system and negatively impacted my performance because the new diet dropped my fat intake way too low. I ate too much lean chicken breast and veggies, no nuts, seeds, etc to compensate.
I was actually healthier and stronger eating 'normal' food.0 -
I don't know how many calories I can eat a day without gaining fat, because MFP doesn't tell me how many calories I burn from weight training
You can easily figure that out. If you eat a specific number of calories a day (using a food scale for accuracy) you can then look at weight loss trends over 4-8 weeks. For example. I eat on average 2400 calories a day (regardless of my exercise routine). I average 1 lb per week. This means I have a 500 calorie deficit. This means, my TDEE or maintenance calories = 2900 (+/- 100 calories).
If you look at some TDEE threads and develop a number, you can figure that out.0 -
The strength training section allows you to track exercises. There is a cardio section that has "strength training" listed, which will add back your calories.I don't know how many calories I can eat a day without gaining fat, because MFP doesn't tell me how many calories I burn from weight training
In addition, if you do not feel like you are over weight, you do not need to be eating at a deficit, but eat at maintenance or a very slight deficit and use a progressive resistance training program. Here is a good example of how eating more (and even at a surplus to gain weight) can lead to having a better body:
http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/07/21/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/
And this picture summarizes it pretty well (she's 11lbs heavier in the picture on the right):
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Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.
Oh boy! Back just in time for Mr."I body shame then say 'oh whatever works for you .flowerforyou. sorrynotsorry'"
Just no. Meet my ignore, bro.0 -
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Non sense. If you can show me a controlled study or trial that shows the difference between eating clean foods (which is very loosely defined) and a person who eats in moderation but still holds protein levels, then I might believe you. Its ridiculous to think that a person such as myself who eats 165g -180g of protein and 2400 calories would benefit any greater if I replace my nightly Klondike bar. From what I can tell, your presumption is that by eating dirty, you alter the macronutrient % to a less favorable (probably reduction in protein) causing less desirable results. Below is sarah who eats ice cream nightly and lost a lot of weight. She is a power lifter and this was prebulk.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/903628-one-year-of-barbells-and-ice-cream-my-story-so-far-pics?hl=a+year+of+lifting+and+ice+cream
Bingo.
And just FYI, altering your diet to a 'clean' diet can be detrimental depending on whether the dieter understands that they need to maintain certain macros. I did that to myself as a teenager - followed a less than knowledgeable sports trainer's suggestions, transitioned to a clean diet (though no-one called it that back then) - and wrecked my digestive system and negatively impacted my performance because the new diet dropped my fat intake way too low. I ate too much lean chicken breast and veggies, no nuts, seeds, etc to compensate.
I was actually healthier and stronger eating 'normal' food.
I personally found when I tried a paleo type diet, i would binge more. So for me, cutting out my favorite foods made fitness and weight loss more difficult. Lets face it, diet adherence is the most important thing for success. I do that more now with no food restrictions and have been successful.0 -
Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.
I think you're rambling on missing the point entirely. IIFYM doesn't mean eating "bad" food all day long. It means taking in 20-30% of your calories from things you enjoy.
I've slow bulked twice now ... once with CLEAN eating for months and once with dirty eating. my weight went to the same exact spot, my body comp was the same, and I felt the same.
Do you HONESTLY believe your body knows you get protein from a Big Mac vs. a chicken breast?
Granted... I know I won't preform 100% going into my deadlifts trying to get up 500lbs. on a stomach full of pop-tarts and Snickers. But eating "bad" labeled food is fine in moderation.
IFBB guys do the same. Jay Cutler / Kai Greene even said they did. They stop a few months before a show to drop all excess water weight.
You can lose weight and look good eating McDonalds all day if you want, but, you won't preform 100% lifting 500+lbs, I'll vouch for that. But for body comp it's perfectly fine.
NATURAL examples:
Brandon Campbell
Hodge Twins (< --- my personal inspiration)
Matt Ogus (ripped as hell)
Chris Lavado (ripped as hell)
Naw, trust me, Mr. Steeple-fingers knows what we mean and means every word of what he says.0 -
The strength training section allows you to track exercises. There is a cardio section that has "strength training" listed, which will add back your calories.I don't know how many calories I can eat a day without gaining fat, because MFP doesn't tell me how many calories I burn from weight training
In addition, if you do not feel like you are over weight, you do not need to be eating at a deficit, but eat at maintenance or a very slight deficit and use a progressive resistance training program. Here is a good example of how eating more (and even at a surplus to gain weight) can lead to having a better body:
http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/07/21/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/
And this picture summarizes it pretty well (she's 11lbs heavier in the picture on the right):
This girl is an amazing example.0 -
I went and had Mcdonalds after like 5 months of eating meals I make at home wasn't even craving it was just eating there out of convenice and poor planning. 5 months of being on track and it was easy... Had mcdonalds once, ONCE! and since I've been totally off the wagon for a week now. Craving it everyday after eating it once. The food has got to be laced!
This ^^^ was the reason for my weight gain. I had managed to keep my weight down for months and was finally getting used to my smaller figure then enter my mum stage left 'Have some McDonalds' she said 'It will be fine' she said.
When she came back from holiday I did not look fine, I looked like a beach whale. This was nearly a year ago and it has been a constant battle to get this weight back off. I can eat chocolate, crisps, Burger King literally any kind of junk but McDonalds causes me to just spiral out of control. Can't be done.0 -
Wow, this was an unforgettable reading...
It's very interesting how so many defend the way of losing weight on a diet that includes ice cream, cookies etc.
I still push for clean diets to lose weight, and to get a lean or ripped physique.
Clean diets BUT with the space to reward yourself when you're reaching your goals.
Losing weight and eating cookies and fast food once a day - or more - because you it fits your calories, is a easy way. Of course it is. You don't have to be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to cheat! But it's not as effective as a clean diet with cheat meals occasionly, when for example, you're reaching your goals.
A clean diet is tougher but more effective. You will BURN FAT in faster tempo. You will feel healther. You will be healthier.
Losing weight. Who care's about the weight anyway? In my world it's all about the BF% and the waist measure.
You can contine to eat whatever you want, eat your chocolate bar and cookies every day and loose weight on a calorie deficit.
You may reach your goals. You lost your weight. But whats the look of your body? Skinny with fat? Lost a lot of weight, but how about your muscles?
On a clean diet, with more protein and healthy fats, you can also reach your goals. But you will lose more fat, spare muscles and get a toned, lean or ripped body. You will probably look great!
Do you think Mark Anthony Wingson was eating one or two chocolate bars in the evening on his diet, because it fit his calories...? Do you think he had look this fit if he could eat WHATEVER he wanted on his diet...?
http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_5102 copy_TDSCBGMCMD.jpg
NO. He hadn't lookt that way at all, if he was allowed to eat whater he wanted on his diet, even if it was on a calorie deficit diet.
If you just want to lose weight and that's the only goal. You don't care about the overall look of your body, estethics, your muscles, your healt etc. Then it's all fine. You can continue to eat crap all day long as long as you are in a calorie deficit. In that way you can say that a calorie is a calorie.
But if you have higher goals and expectations regarding your body, then you should keep a cleaner and better diet. In that way a calorie is NOT just a calorie.
Havent seen Sara or Sidesteel...or a slew of other people who follow IIFYM, have you.0 -
Guys, again. A calorie IS a calorie. You people claiming the opposite are talking about calorie DENSITY, or calories per measurement of weight
No one said the opposite, or even disagreed with your first statement.0 -
Just say it exactly the way you just did. The problem I see is a LOT of people are NOT saying "But the occasional treat is okay too!" They're just saying "A calorie is a calorie so eat whatever you want".
I don't think anyone is saying that... But I could be wrong.
You are. I'll find the quote again if you really need me to. And simply saying "a calorie is a calorie" with no other explanation is easily misinterpreted as "I don't have to change my diet at all". It's not wrong. I'll say that again. It's not wrong. (lol Like it matters how many times I say it. Some will just not read it) It's just incomplete information that could lead people to making poor choices. You can incorporate any food you like into a diet that will result in you losing weight. (Doesn't matter how many times I say that either, to the cultists).0 -
By the way, as the self appointed deprogramer for the cult, I'll say once again. I don't eat clean. I eat some "junk" every day. And I'm not disagreeing with the premise you're trying to promote in your cult. A calorie is a calorie (I said it again!) so far as losing weight is math. True. But there are things that make hitting your calorie goals harder, and avoiding them, at least to a degree, makes it easier to lose weight. Just as incorporating your favorite foods into a diet that will result in weight loss makes it easier to stick with it in the long run. Once again. Both are true. They are not mutually exclusive as the cultists imply when anyone says that.0
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By the way, as the self appointed deprogramer for the cult, I'll say once again. I don't eat clean. I eat some "junk" every day. And I'm not disagreeing with the premise you're trying to promote in your cult. A calorie is a calorie (I said it again!) so far as losing weight is math. True. But there are things that make hitting your calorie goals harder, and avoiding them, at least to a degree, makes it easier to lose weight. Just as incorporating your favorite foods into a diet that will result in weight loss makes it easier to stick with it in the long run. Once again. Both are true. They are not mutually exclusive as the cultists imply when anyone says that.
Could you please identify the cult members? You never know when I might be offered a cup of Kool-aid.0
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