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  • jim180155
    jim180155 Posts: 769 Member
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    No i'm not a raw vegan, but i'm close. Cooked food is not as nutritious as raw fruits and veg.

    Not everyone agrees, but I think raw veggies taste better than cooked veggies. And I think everyone likes raw fruits better than cooked.

    So you don't like apple pie?

    You got me there. Now I will have to start adding amendments to the rule. After being ratified by all 50 states, of course.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
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    i honestly dont understand why people cant have different opinions and believe in different things and still not be nasty? also, not everyone who is against dairy is out to convert everyone, some just want to state their opinion, as it is their right. its fine if you say you disagree or you havent seen proof, etc.. but its not ok to insult people for having different beliefs.

    so you love milk, noone was attacking you! noone calls you dilusional. noone ridicules you. so please dont attack people who dont agree with the milk industry, thanks. :)

    I agree with you, but the insults have been flying from both directions.

    It's unfortunate that we can't disagree while still treating each other with some respect.

    Welcome to MFP! :laugh:

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  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
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    True, John.

    Also, it'd be nice if the quotes included names. As entertaining as some of these arguments are, it's hard to remember who's arguing with who.

    So much this! I think someone started a thread to request it in the "Suggestions" section. Most forums give the user name of the person being quoted. It can be confusing, and I'm not the only one to get confused on who I'm actually debating sometimes.
  • Derp_Diggler
    Derp_Diggler Posts: 1,456 Member
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    In... because it's going to be slow at work later.
  • Rocbola
    Rocbola Posts: 1,998 Member
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    QUOTE FROM ROCBOLA: No i'm not a raw vegan, but i'm close. Cooked food is not as nutritious as raw fruits and veg.
    QUOTE FROM RICHARDHEATH:
    Sorry.

    But cooked can be more nutritious than raw. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/raw-veggies-are-healthier/
    I do my fair share of yapping about raw foods, i think most people think i'm all raw. I do eat cooked veggie soups, especially in the long, cold winter.

    I've read this before too. Some anti-oxidants can be increased by cooking, and the availability of some are increased by cooking. However, many other nutrients are destroyed by cooking. The big picture is that raw foods, the fresher the better, have overall more nutrition. That's not saying that there is no nutritional value to cooked foods.
  • susannamarie
    susannamarie Posts: 2,148 Member
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    I agree with you, but the insults have been flying from both directions.

    It's unfortunate that we can't disagree while still treating each other with some respect.

    but in self defense, if i remember correctly.. :P

    Not really, if you check, the first post by him was totally reasonable (and a good idea, too), but the second went straight for "dairy industry plants" before there'd even been any bickering.

    Respectful disagreement does not consist of cheering the people who agree with you for their wisdom while claiming that anyone who disagrees is a dairy industry plant out to destroy the health of everyone.

    One of the serious issues with people who've been overweight is that they discover a way that helps them lose weight and feel better, and immediately jump to "everyone should do this". This is not unique to him, either, I have seen people whose health was tremendously improved (not just weight-wise, but all blood markers as well) by Atkins, paleo, veganism, cutting calories, and more (just naming a few examples). Since it has helped them so much, they've gone evangelical with their chosen diet, and spend a lot of time searching for research that supports this as the One Best Way to Diet, while ignoring any research that fails to support it based on the grounds that it's a shill for the meat industry/dairy industry/grain industry/PETA/big Pharma wanting to keep us sick/insert conspiracy theory of choice, and arguing vociferously with anyone who dares to suggest that there might not be one optimal diet.

    It's an understandable tendency and something we all need to watch ourselves for.
  • jim180155
    jim180155 Posts: 769 Member
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    One of the serious issues with people who've been overweight is that they discover a way that helps them lose weight and feel better, and immediately jump to "everyone should do this". This is not unique to him, either, I have seen people whose health was tremendously improved (not just weight-wise, but all blood markers as well) by Atkins, paleo, veganism, cutting calories, and more (just naming a few examples). Since it has helped them so much, they've gone evangelical with their chosen diet, and spend a lot of time searching for research that supports this as the One Best Way to Diet, while ignoring any research that fails to support it based on the grounds that it's a shill for the meat industry/dairy industry/grain industry/PETA/big Pharma wanting to keep us sick/insert conspiracy theory of choice, and arguing vociferously with anyone who dares to suggest that there might not be one optimal diet.

    It's an understandable tendency and something we all need to watch ourselves for.

    So true.

    And I know of a diet that can cure it ....
  • Aross83
    Aross83 Posts: 936 Member
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    If you dont want to eat Dairy Dont eat Dairy. If you want to gobble it up! Personally i have come to my own conclusion that Milk is not necessary and i choose not to consume it anymore. Its for baby cows not humans. The only little bit of dairy i eat is mozzarella once and a while. but i am working on no Dairy at all.. its a choice to make by yourself. I personally believe that Milk has been advertised and push on us saying well if you dont drink milk you wont get enought calcium. its all political and money driven. They dont want people to stop drinking milk becuase people make alot of money from the Milk industry. anyways its a personal choice. if you are drinking regular USDA Milk you are drinking hormones. if you are ok with that, thats your choice.
  • Rocbola
    Rocbola Posts: 1,998 Member
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    If you dont want to eat Dairy Dont eat Dairy. If you want to gobble it up! Personally i have come to my own conclusion that Milk is not necessary and i choose not to consume it anymore. Its for baby cows not humans. The only little bit of dairy i eat is mozzarella once and a while. but i am working on no Dairy at all.. its a choice to make by yourself. I personally believe that Milk has been advertised and push on us saying well if you dont drink milk you wont get enought calcium. its all political and money driven. They dont want people to stop drinking milk becuase people make alot of money from the Milk industry. anyways its a personal choice. if you are drinking regular USDA Milk you are drinking hormones. if you are ok with that, thats your choice.
    Well said. :smile:
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,948 Member
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    If you dont want to eat Dairy Dont eat Dairy. If you want to gobble it up! Personally i have come to my own conclusion that Milk is not necessary and i choose not to consume it anymore. Its for baby cows not humans. The only little bit of dairy i eat is mozzarella once and a while. but i am working on no Dairy at all.. its a choice to make by yourself. I personally believe that Milk has been advertised and push on us saying well if you dont drink milk you wont get enought calcium. its all political and money driven. They dont want people to stop drinking milk becuase people make alot of money from the Milk industry. anyways its a personal choice. if you are drinking regular USDA Milk you are drinking hormones. if you are ok with that, thats your choice.

    Nonsense...
  • richardheath
    richardheath Posts: 1,276 Member
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    QUOTE FROM ROCBOLA: No i'm not a raw vegan, but i'm close. Cooked food is not as nutritious as raw fruits and veg.
    QUOTE FROM RICHARDHEATH:
    Sorry.

    But cooked can be more nutritious than raw. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/raw-veggies-are-healthier/
    I do my fair share of yapping about raw foods, i think most people think i'm all raw. I do eat cooked veggie soups, especially in the long, cold winter.

    I've read this before too. Some anti-oxidants can be increased by cooking, and the availability of some are increased by cooking. However, many other nutrients are destroyed by cooking. The big picture is that raw foods, the fresher the better, have overall more nutrition. That's not saying that there is no nutritional value to cooked foods.

    But what you are saying there is not the same as your earlier blanket statement saying "Cooked food is not as nutritious as raw fruits and veg". Both have their place in a varied diet.

    I'm not saying you should only eat cooked veggies: if my kids want to snack on a raw carrot, stick that's fine. But they also all ate the sauteed kale with garlic I made the other night. It was yummy (along with a pork chop, homemade apple sauce and mashed potatoes). Today, I had a big salad full of fresh raw veggies (with chicken).
  • richardheath
    richardheath Posts: 1,276 Member
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    If you dont want to eat Dairy Dont eat Dairy. If you want to gobble it up! Personally i have come to my own conclusion that Milk is not necessary and i choose not to consume it anymore. Its for baby cows not humans. The only little bit of dairy i eat is mozzarella once and a while. but i am working on no Dairy at all.. its a choice to make by yourself. I personally believe that Milk has been advertised and push on us saying well if you dont drink milk you wont get enought calcium. its all political and money driven. They dont want people to stop drinking milk becuase people make alot of money from the Milk industry. anyways its a personal choice. if you are drinking regular USDA Milk you are drinking hormones. if you are ok with that, thats your choice.

    Any industry or business nowadays advertises and pushes their product in a certain way. It's up to the informed consumer to see through the hyperbole.

    And the whole "cow's milk is for baby cows" thing has been done to death in this thread already. No one food (with the possible exception of mother's milk) was designed or intended or whatever for humans. We eat whatever gives us sustenance. And some things, like broccoli and kale and bananas and almonds and cows, we tweak through breeding to make them tastier, higher yielding etc.

    But yes - bottom line is we do have a choice. Thanks to modern farming, agribusiness, refrigeration, transportation etc we can be a raw vegan year round in comfort, if that is what we chose, and be quite healthy. Or, we can drink milk and eat beef and still be healthy.
  • nikkihk
    nikkihk Posts: 487 Member
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    No i'm not a raw vegan, but i'm close. Cooked food is not as nutritious as raw fruits and veg.

    Say what??!!

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    Where you get your science, homes? Cuz, It sure ain't a library.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
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    If you dont want to eat Dairy Dont eat Dairy. If you want to gobble it up! Personally i have come to my own conclusion that Milk is not necessary and i choose not to consume it anymore. Its for baby cows not humans. The only little bit of dairy i eat is mozzarella once and a while. but i am working on no Dairy at all.. its a choice to make by yourself. I personally believe that Milk has been advertised and push on us saying well if you dont drink milk you wont get enought calcium. its all political and money driven. They dont want people to stop drinking milk becuase people make alot of money from the Milk industry. anyways its a personal choice. if you are drinking regular USDA Milk you are drinking hormones. if you are ok with that, thats your choice.

    :laugh:
  • Kate
    Kate Posts: 35 Member
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    MMMMMMM, that big glass of milk after my run was awesome! Seriously, perfect balance of carbs fats and proteins for recharging my system. Lucky for me I'm not allergic and my body produces it's own lactase, so there's absolutely no good reason to avoid it.

    but dairy is a death sentence!

    Well you know, none of us are getting off the planet alive anyway!
  • BrainyBurro
    BrainyBurro Posts: 6,129 Member
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    If you dont want to eat Dairy Dont eat Dairy. If you want to gobble it up! Personally i have come to my own conclusion that Milk is not necessary and i choose not to consume it anymore. Its for baby cows not humans. The only little bit of dairy i eat is mozzarella once and a while. but i am working on no Dairy at all.. its a choice to make by yourself. I personally believe that Milk has been advertised and push on us saying well if you dont drink milk you wont get enought calcium. its all political and money driven. They dont want people to stop drinking milk becuase people make alot of money from the Milk industry. anyways its a personal choice. if you are drinking regular USDA Milk you are drinking hormones. if you are ok with that, thats your choice.

    Nonsense...
    Well said. :smile:
  • jim180155
    jim180155 Posts: 769 Member
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    If you dont want to eat Dairy Dont eat Dairy. If you want to gobble it up! Personally i have come to my own conclusion that Milk is not necessary and i choose not to consume it anymore. Its for baby cows not humans. The only little bit of dairy i eat is mozzarella once and a while. but i am working on no Dairy at all.. its a choice to make by yourself. I personally believe that Milk has been advertised and push on us saying well if you dont drink milk you wont get enought calcium. its all political and money driven. They dont want people to stop drinking milk becuase people make alot of money from the Milk industry. anyways its a personal choice. if you are drinking regular USDA Milk you are drinking hormones. if you are ok with that, thats your choice.

    Nonsense...
    Well said. :smile:

    Not really. It made perfect sense to me. I didn't agree with everything she said, but I understood every word. If you two would like me to read it to you, maybe you too could understand and then decide whether you agree or not.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 9,933 Member
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    If you dont want to eat Dairy Dont eat Dairy. If you want to gobble it up! Personally i have come to my own conclusion that Milk is not necessary and i choose not to consume it anymore. Its for baby cows not humans. The only little bit of dairy i eat is mozzarella once and a while. but i am working on no Dairy at all.. its a choice to make by yourself. I personally believe that Milk has been advertised and push on us saying well if you dont drink milk you wont get enought calcium. its all political and money driven. They dont want people to stop drinking milk becuase people make alot of money from the Milk industry. anyways its a personal choice. if you are drinking regular USDA Milk you are drinking hormones. if you are ok with that, thats your choice.

    Nonsense...
    Well said. :smile:
    Why you guys picking on hormones..........plants have hormones too.....

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