Chris Brown- Have you forgiven him?

EmCarroll1990

First of all I just want to say that I do not condone Violence of any kind.
Does he deserve a second chance? Yes he does, just like all of us do. He was wrong and made a mistake, he let his anger get the best of him. With that being said it is not up to me to forgive him. That's Rihanna's deal.
Rhingo Starr also beat up his wife and we still celebrate the music he made with the Beatles. I love the Beatles, and I've bought their discs and memorabilia. That does not mean that I condone Violence or drug use for that matter. I like Usher and have bought some of his songs, that does not mean I condone infidelity. So, buying a Chris Brown CD does not mean you are pro-violence.
Banks rob us blind everyday, but we still use them. Bush's administration went on a killing tirade in the Middle East, all in the name of "Freedom" and he was re-elected.
In terms of Rihanna, I think she's a total hypocrite. One day she's crying about what happened and the next she's saying that chains and whips excite her. In my opinion, she is sending the wrong message. If you are against violence, then you don't say those things. S/M does not open the door for violence in the future, but if you let your man hit you in bed, he might think it's ok to do it later. I don't think it's okay in any situation. It's like boxing and UFC, your kids see it on TV, people beating each other up for a couple of bucks and to entertain the world. They see all the blood and the cheering fans and think it's ok for them to practice that at school, just because they saw it on TV.
Again I think he was totally wrong for what he did. There is no excuse for hitting people. Whether it is a female or a male.

I'm not going to nit pik your post, but there is one thing that caught my attention. You talking about the "but if you let your man hit you in bed, he might think it's ok to do it later." My fiancé and I are rough, but he sure as *kitten* knows that is in the bedroom, there is no way in HELL my fiancé would lay a hand on me. Only a twisted person would think they could transfer a little roughness in the bedroom to beating the *kitten* out of their girlfriend somewhere else and think it's okay.

tamheath

Wow. I'm amazed at all the "I'm not here to judge" talk! Especially from women! Is the word 'forgiven" the wrong word, maybe? For crying out loud, he beat the *kitten* out of his girlfriend (yes, we know he did it, come on, don't give me that crap ....) then he gets a standing ovation at the Grammy's. Isn't there something just off about that?

But you're right: I guess I better not judge either. Because if he had done that to MY daughter I would go beat the *kitten* out of him myself. :explode: So you won't judge me when I do, right? wtf.... stumbling away in confusion.....

ilookthetype

Rhianna liking it a little rough when she's fu*&ing has absolutely NOTHING to do with being beat up.

THANK YOU!

ludogx87

And if you read my previous post, I said that you are entitled to do that, but those who choose to buy his music aren't condoning violence against women either just because they like the music he makes.

That's where we disagree.

Well his songs aren't about beating women so I really don't see how you make that connection. In the end, it is just about the fact that he is a celebrity and his life was televised for you to see. So now you know that he did something horrible, and that means that he should never be allowed to use his talents again.

I said, we as a society should stand up to people who beat their girlfriends and refuse to support them by buying their music. He can try all he wants. Supporting him supports domestic violence. It sends a pretty clear message to people that you can beat your girlfriend and for it to hit mainstream and for people to not care. Usher had to APOLOGIZE for calling Brown out. NO ONE would straight up say it was UNACCEPTABLE for it to happen, and now, 2 years later he's back at the Grammy's. How is that anything but society accepting domestic violence as something that happens and is to be ignored?

Look, we took our histories of abuse and went in different directions. Let's just be done.

how does supporting him mean supporting domestic voilence??
does supporting the president mean i support war and innocent lives being lost??

its not the same. i do not support chris brown, i believe what he done was morally wrong and believe that he will carry this around for the rest of his life

i do believe in 2nd chances. is that not what life is about, no???
has no poster ever made a mistake they wish they could change or didnt happen???
for those mistakes that were made, did no-one help you, forgive you, help you??

if that was the case that no-one was ever forgiven for deeds they made, this would be a sorry, sad world to live in.

again let me re-iterate..... i do not SUPPORT chris browns actions.

tamerkins2

Wow. I'm amazed at all the "I'm not here to judge" talk! Especially from women! Is the word 'forgiven" the wrong word, maybe? For crying out loud, he beat the *kitten* out of his girlfriend (yes, we know he did it, come on, don't give me that crap ....) then he gets a standing ovation at the Grammy's. Isn't there something just off about that?

But you're right: I guess I better not judge either. Because if he had done that to MY daughter I would go beat the *kitten* out of him myself. :explode: So you won't judge me when I do, right? wtf.... stumbling away in confusion.....

I am also surprised by the number of women that back his behavior..

Jipples

First of all I just want to say that I do not condone Violence of any kind.
Does he deserve a second chance? Yes he does, just like all of us do. He was wrong and made a mistake, he let his anger get the best of him. With that being said it is not up to me to forgive him. That's Rihanna's deal.
Rhingo Starr also beat up his wife and we still celebrate the music he made with the Beatles. I love the Beatles, and I've bought their discs and memorabilia. That does not mean that I condone Violence or drug use for that matter. I like Usher and have bought some of his songs, that does not mean I condone infidelity. So, buying a Chris Brown CD does not mean you are pro-violence.
Banks rob us blind everyday, but we still use them. Bush's administration went on a killing tirade in the Middle East, all in the name of "Freedom" and he was re-elected.
In terms of Rihanna, I think she's a total hypocrite. One day she's crying about what happened and the next she's saying that chains and whips excite her. In my opinion, she is sending the wrong message. If you are against violence, then you don't say those things. S/M does not open the door for violence in the future, but if you let your man hit you in bed, he might think it's ok to do it later. I don't think it's okay in any situation. It's like boxing and UFC, your kids see it on TV, people beating each other up for a couple of bucks and to entertain the world. They see all the blood and the cheering fans and think it's ok for them to practice that at school, just because they saw it on TV.
Again I think he was totally wrong for what he did. There is no excuse for hitting people. Whether it is a female or a male.

My fiancé and I are rough, but he sure as *kitten* knows that is in the bedroom

Details.

I kid I kid

jcr85

I forgave him once I found out she left the kitchen.

TwinkieDong

He's a chump

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

tamerkins2

First of all I just want to say that I do not condone Violence of any kind.
Does he deserve a second chance? Yes he does, just like all of us do. He was wrong and made a mistake, he let his anger get the best of him. With that being said it is not up to me to forgive him. That's Rihanna's deal.
Rhingo Starr also beat up his wife and we still celebrate the music he made with the Beatles. I love the Beatles, and I've bought their discs and memorabilia. That does not mean that I condone Violence or drug use for that matter. I like Usher and have bought some of his songs, that does not mean I condone infidelity. So, buying a Chris Brown CD does not mean you are pro-violence.
Banks rob us blind everyday, but we still use them. Bush's administration went on a killing tirade in the Middle East, all in the name of "Freedom" and he was re-elected.
In terms of Rihanna, I think she's a total hypocrite. One day she's crying about what happened and the next she's saying that chains and whips excite her. In my opinion, she is sending the wrong message. If you are against violence, then you don't say those things. S/M does not open the door for violence in the future, but if you let your man hit you in bed, he might think it's ok to do it later. I don't think it's okay in any situation. It's like boxing and UFC, your kids see it on TV, people beating each other up for a couple of bucks and to entertain the world. They see all the blood and the cheering fans and think it's ok for them to practice that at school, just because they saw it on TV.
Again I think he was totally wrong for what he did. There is no excuse for hitting people. Whether it is a female or a male.

Did you just compare Chris Brown beating the crap out of Rihanna to UFC?

datguy2011

He's good... he's alright... lets leave him a lone.. he has a grammy.

tamheath

This thread is so upsetting!! I should have just stayed away. Facts - Chris Brown beat his girlfriend in a bad way; he did not serve any time in jail; he continued to make music and win grammys; he goes on talk shows and throws chairs out of anger (even after claiming he had changed); teen girls all over the country are saying he can beat them anytime because he is so hot and "has moves". How are people condoning this behavior? What is there to justify? Saying "he is young", "he made a mistake", "he has moves", "he is hot", "Rihanna forgave him", etc. are NOT excuses for what he did wrong. Come on people... we should be better than this.

Agreed. All these people making excuses for his behavior is very disturbing to me.

hipsgalore

He looks like a crackhead! she looks like a crackhead! a bunch of wackos

Southerncookin

Who am I to judge Chris Brown? He did nothing to me. Only people who know what went down is Chris Brown and Rihanna, and quite frankly I think the truth lies somewhere between her version and his version. It's not up to me to judge, that's between the two of them.

Okay, so lets say your sister or mother or brother or father, were being abused by another family member. It doesn't matter right, because it didn't happen to you.

I didn't say it didn't matter because it didn't happen to me, YOU read that into what I said. But please don't twist my words. What I did say was it's not up to me to judge him. And ultimately it's not my judgement call.

sunnyday789

For me, one of the tings that bothers me the most about Chris Brown is that he is more upset about they way he was represented in the media following his criminal abuse than he was repentant for it.

AmberMagdalena

Who gives a crap about Chris Brown or that smutty,smash face Rihanna. The real world has real world problems!

EmCarroll1990

Who am I to judge Chris Brown? He did nothing to me. Only people who know what went down is Chris Brown and Rihanna, and quite frankly I think the truth lies somewhere between her version and his version. It's not up to me to judge, that's between the two of them.

Okay, so lets say your sister or mother or brother or father, were being abused by another family member. It doesn't matter right, because it didn't happen to you.

I didn't say it didn't matter because it didn't happen to me, YOU read that into what I said. But please don't twist my words. What I did say was it's not up to me to judge him. And ultimately it's not my judgement call.

I'm not twisting anything, you said it's not up to you to judge because he did nothing to you. You also said it's between them. My previous comment still stands.

Jipples

First of all I just want to say that I do not condone Violence of any kind.
Does he deserve a second chance? Yes he does, just like all of us do. He was wrong and made a mistake, he let his anger get the best of him. With that being said it is not up to me to forgive him. That's Rihanna's deal.
Rhingo Starr also beat up his wife and we still celebrate the music he made with the Beatles. I love the Beatles, and I've bought their discs and memorabilia. That does not mean that I condone Violence or drug use for that matter. I like Usher and have bought some of his songs, that does not mean I condone infidelity. So, buying a Chris Brown CD does not mean you are pro-violence.
Banks rob us blind everyday, but we still use them. Bush's administration went on a killing tirade in the Middle East, all in the name of "Freedom" and he was re-elected.
In terms of Rihanna, I think she's a total hypocrite. One day she's crying about what happened and the next she's saying that chains and whips excite her. In my opinion, she is sending the wrong message. If you are against violence, then you don't say those things. S/M does not open the door for violence in the future, but if you let your man hit you in bed, he might think it's ok to do it later. I don't think it's okay in any situation. It's like boxing and UFC, your kids see it on TV, people beating each other up for a couple of bucks and to entertain the world. They see all the blood and the cheering fans and think it's ok for them to practice that at school, just because they saw it on TV.
Again I think he was totally wrong for what he did. There is no excuse for hitting people. Whether it is a female or a male.

Did you just compare Chris Brown beating the crap out of Rihanna to UFC?

She did. I could hear Chris now....."bit$c, if I wasnt in this truck wheelz spinnin....I'd put yo AZZ in an arm bar. I can do that, cuz I'm young and don't know no better".

ludogx87

Wow. I'm amazed at all the "I'm not here to judge" talk! Especially from women! Is the word 'forgiven" the wrong word, maybe? For crying out loud, he beat the *kitten* out of his girlfriend (yes, we know he did it, come on, don't give me that crap ....) then he gets a standing ovation at the Grammy's. Isn't there something just off about that?

But you're right: I guess I better not judge either. Because if he had done that to MY daughter I would go beat the *kitten* out of him myself. :explode: So you won't judge me when I do, right? wtf.... stumbling away in confusion.....

I am also surprised by the number of women that back his behavior..

i dont back his behaviour AT ALL. its disgusting and agree it sould not be tolerated.

this isnt about what he has DONE in the past its about wither he has been forgiven, so to answer the OP question. yes. i have forgiven chris brown

EmCarroll1990

First of all I just want to say that I do not condone Violence of any kind.
Does he deserve a second chance? Yes he does, just like all of us do. He was wrong and made a mistake, he let his anger get the best of him. With that being said it is not up to me to forgive him. That's Rihanna's deal.
Rhingo Starr also beat up his wife and we still celebrate the music he made with the Beatles. I love the Beatles, and I've bought their discs and memorabilia. That does not mean that I condone Violence or drug use for that matter. I like Usher and have bought some of his songs, that does not mean I condone infidelity. So, buying a Chris Brown CD does not mean you are pro-violence.
Banks rob us blind everyday, but we still use them. Bush's administration went on a killing tirade in the Middle East, all in the name of "Freedom" and he was re-elected.
In terms of Rihanna, I think she's a total hypocrite. One day she's crying about what happened and the next she's saying that chains and whips excite her. In my opinion, she is sending the wrong message. If you are against violence, then you don't say those things. S/M does not open the door for violence in the future, but if you let your man hit you in bed, he might think it's ok to do it later. I don't think it's okay in any situation. It's like boxing and UFC, your kids see it on TV, people beating each other up for a couple of bucks and to entertain the world. They see all the blood and the cheering fans and think it's ok for them to practice that at school, just because they saw it on TV.
Again I think he was totally wrong for what he did. There is no excuse for hitting people. Whether it is a female or a male.

Did you just compare Chris Brown beating the crap out of Rihanna to UFC?

She did. I could hear Chris now....."bit$c, if I wasnt in this truck wheelz spinnin....I'd put yo AZZ in an arm bar. I can do that, cuz I'm young and don't know no better".

You forgot to mention he's hot so it's okay.

thor1god1of1awesome

As a victim of abuse I dont understand how people are tying say this is rhana fault? So what she likes it kinky, that is different from getting the **** kicked out of her. It makes sick seeing people defend him. Also to all the people saying god this and god that, this has nothing to do with him. Chris brown is nothing more then a slug. He should be prison and not getting standing ovations.

sunnyday789

Who am I to judge Chris Brown? He did nothing to me. Only people who know what went down is Chris Brown and Rihanna, and quite frankly I think the truth lies somewhere between her version and his version. It's not up to me to judge, that's between the two of them.

Okay, so lets say your sister or mother or brother or father, were being abused by another family member. It doesn't matter right, because it didn't happen to you.

I didn't say it didn't matter because it didn't happen to me, YOU read that into what I said. But please don't twist my words. What I did say was it's not up to me to judge him. And ultimately it's not my judgement call.

But as a society we do judge people thorugh the criminal justice system. So when someone harms another person we have a collective say.

Thatsdatdiva601

My thing is everyone has a past and can change. He seems to be a better person now and most of all Rihanna forgiving him. I'm sure we all have done something that we would not like to be judged by for the rest of our lives! If you don't like him then don't support him.

VeganInTraining

I could really care less, his music is good and the boy can dance. People spend way too much time being involved in celeb's personal life. If you didn't know that he beat her up, no one would have an issue with him, unless you just really didnt like his music. So maybe people people should stop caring so much about people they will never have to deal with in real life anyway and focus on the reason he was/is famous in the first place and that is music. If you don't like his music then dont listen to it. I do think the girls on twitter are just ridiculous but that is their own issues.

I knew of a catholic priest who could give a wonderful, meaningful sermon.
And tell a joke? He was one funny guy. Kept us laughing.
Very talented....
And once you get past the fact that he molested 4 boys, it's no big deal.....

and did you know this priest? did he touch your life personally? if so then it's different than a celeb who you don't know so why do we care so much about what he or any celeb did? unless it affects you personally, people should learn to deal with their own realities and worry less about other people who they will never meet is all i'm saying.

The problem is not that he "didn't hit me" the problem is that #1, abusing ANY woman (or man ) is not ok, and #2 the whole celebrity thing, while yes he's still just a man, what are we telling society by still contributing to his music and his carrier?

If someone abuses another human being then I will not in any way associate with them. Well I forgive them? sure. Will I pray that they change their ways? Yep Do I wish any harm on them (other than rightful punishment)? nope but I will not be in any way shape or form associated with them

CoryIda

Here's my (probably unique) opinion as someone who has lived through pretty severe abuse...

Abuse is terrible and it causes not only the physical harm we can see (bruises, broken bones, etc), but it also can cause psychological harm.

Someone who has been abused is going to have issues with trust and security.

Aside from that, forgiveness is a choice that can be very healing.
When you forgive someone, you don't do it because they "deserve" it, and it doesn't mean that you put yourself back in that situation where you could get hurt again; you forgive so you can move forward.
As far as the abuser, their actions are going to have consequences. Unless they demonstrate true repentance - and even sometimes IF they demonstrate true repentance - people are not going to trust them again.

So have I forgiven Chris Brown? I had nothing to forgive - it didn't happen to me. I truly wish I could see more remorse and more demonstration that he has changed, but whether or not Rihanna has forgiven him is up to her.

Personally, I did forgive my abuser (not for his sake, since he never really did change as far as I know, but for my own sake) and don't think that he is solely defined by his abusive actions, but I certainly never put myself back in the situation to be abused by him again.
It doesn't mean he is worthless or evil, but it does mean that I could not trust him or be around him anymore, and he certainly did deserve consequences for his actions.

I learned from what happened, forgave, and moved on with my life instead of either going back or holding onto my bitterness or anger.

That's all a person really can do.

EmCarroll1990

As a victim of abuse I dont understand how people are tying say this is Rhianna's fault? So what she likes it kinky, that is different from getting the **** kicked out of her. It makes sick seeing people defend him. Also to all the people saying god this and god that, this has nothing to do with him. Chris brown is nothing more than a slug. He should be prison and not getting standing ovations.

Thank you! Also, I heard they had to bring in an audience for his performance because many didn't want to watch.

BarbWhite09

Hate him.

ilookthetype

And if you read my previous post, I said that you are entitled to do that, but those who choose to buy his music aren't condoning violence against women either just because they like the music he makes.

That's where we disagree.

Well his songs aren't about beating women so I really don't see how you make that connection. In the end, it is just about the fact that he is a celebrity and his life was televised for you to see. So now you know that he did something horrible, and that means that he should never be allowed to use his talents again.

I said, we as a society should stand up to people who beat their girlfriends and refuse to support them by buying their music. He can try all he wants. Supporting him supports domestic violence. It sends a pretty clear message to people that you can beat your girlfriend and for it to hit mainstream and for people to not care. Usher had to APOLOGIZE for calling Brown out. NO ONE would straight up say it was UNACCEPTABLE for it to happen, and now, 2 years later he's back at the Grammy's. How is that anything but society accepting domestic violence as something that happens and is to be ignored?

Look, we took our histories of abuse and went in different directions. Let's just be done.

how does supporting him mean supporting domestic voilence??
does supporting the president mean i support war and innocent lives being lost??

its not the same. i do not support chris brown, i believe what he done was morally wrong and believe that he will carry this around for the rest of his life

i do believe in 2nd chances. is that not what life is about, no???
has no poster ever made a mistake they wish they could change or didnt happen???
for those mistakes that were made, did no-one help you, forgive you, help you??

if that was the case that no-one was ever forgiven for deeds they made, this would be a sorry, sad world to live in.

again let me re-iterate..... i do not SUPPORT chris browns actions.

Let me re-iterate: Beating someone is never just a "mistake" it is a CRIME. Stop equating the two.

When you support Chris Brown it sends a message to society, "You can beat your girlfriend, Usher will apologize for calling you out on it, 2 years later you'll be at the Grammy's" Rather than saying, "You beat your girlfriend and American shunned you because you were so shameful and horrible that we stood up and said, 'You will NOT beat our women'"

Are you really so blind that you can't see that?

Siena_Risley_13

Hate him.

X2 HATE HIM!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

tamerkins2

Wow. I'm amazed at all the "I'm not here to judge" talk! Especially from women! Is the word 'forgiven" the wrong word, maybe? For crying out loud, he beat the *kitten* out of his girlfriend (yes, we know he did it, come on, don't give me that crap ....) then he gets a standing ovation at the Grammy's. Isn't there something just off about that?

But you're right: I guess I better not judge either. Because if he had done that to MY daughter I would go beat the *kitten* out of him myself. :explode: So you won't judge me when I do, right? wtf.... stumbling away in confusion.....

I am also surprised by the number of women that back his behavior..

i dont back his behaviour AT ALL. its disgusting and agree it sould not be tolerated.

this isnt about what he has DONE in the past its about wither he has been forgiven, so to answer the OP question. yes. i have forgiven chris brown

No, if I ever beat the crap out of my husband or daughter or anything like that, I don't really expect to be forgiven. Also, he claims he solved his anger problems and wasn't like that anymore. A few weeks later, he was on some talk show throwing a chair through a window because he was angry. Maybe that was his second chance...

thor1god1of1awesome

As a victim of abuse I dont understand how people are tying say this is Rhianna's fault? So what she likes it kinky, that is different from getting the **** kicked out of her. It makes sick seeing people defend him. Also to all the people saying god this and god that, this has nothing to do with him. Chris brown is nothing more than a slug. He should be prison and not getting standing ovations.

Thank you! Also, I heard they had to bring in an audience for his performance because many didn't want to watch.

Its sicking