You Can Gain Muscle On A Calorie Deficit!!

Ripken818836701

And we go again...........

I suppose it depends. Some muscle groups aren't as affected by his weight than others.

Jeff how often do we have to go around and around the circle? Until one of us runs out of gas or until you realize the facts?

Which is it?

Oh yeah, "until I realize the facts". Great logic there. I recommened you post into a threat of the other guys' success and you declined. I'm not going to debat this guy's gains as he obviously had alot of fat stores. But muscle groups like the bicept / tricep aren't going to be worked like the back/legs on a heavy person

I truely fail to see your point here.

Biceps and Triceps get worked by doing almost every other lifting exercise you do. Maybe I misunderstood what you're saying.

Lifting of weights? yes. But as it pertains to supporting a heavy person? Not so much. And I use these muscle groups as they are demonstrated in the after pics of that guy that just posted.

Ok so if he's obese and his body is using his fat stores as calories to put on some muscle tissue, by him just doing normal lifting, the muscle will go to bodyparts worked (including bi's and tri's). This along with the fact that he still had a good amount of LBM even in his arms can produce what he has shown in those pics.

Now I have no idea what your point is. BTW, how do you know how much muscle mass he had before/after in an area such as his biceps? There's no really good before pic to compare it to. Not sure what "good amount" really means. Does that mean more or less? Same?

And the answer is under certain circumstances someone can....(like i've said repeatedly). But if someone was lets say under 20% bodyfat and they continued to try to build muscle on a calorie deficit they won't be able to do it. In order to grow you need energy intake. You have to have something to build on.

I agree, but I think everyone is different, for me it was under 20% BF. But regardless for most people if they are at 20% of BF or less they should be doing bulking and cutting cycles not trying to gain while on a deficit. The only reason I did it was I wanted to reach my goal weight before I started a bulk.

Ripken818836701

good question. this is just what I've heard a lot of lifters say at the gym. I'm a newbie.

Yeh it is, I have no clue either.:bigsmile:

jg627

And we go again...........

I suppose it depends. Some muscle groups aren't as affected by his weight than others.

Jeff how often do we have to go around and around the circle? Until one of us runs out of gas or until you realize the facts?

Which is it?

Oh yeah, "until I realize the facts". Great logic there. I recommened you post into a threat of the other guys' success and you declined. I'm not going to debat this guy's gains as he obviously had alot of fat stores. But muscle groups like the bicept / tricep aren't going to be worked like the back/legs on a heavy person

I truely fail to see your point here.

Biceps and Triceps get worked by doing almost every other lifting exercise you do. Maybe I misunderstood what you're saying.

Lifting of weights? yes. But as it pertains to supporting a heavy person? Not so much. And I use these muscle groups as they are demonstrated in the after pics of that guy that just posted.

Ok so if he's obese and his body is using his fat stores as calories to put on some muscle tissue, by him just doing normal lifting, the muscle will go to bodyparts worked (including bi's and tri's). This along with the fact that he still had a good amount of LBM even in his arms can produce what he has shown in those pics.

Now I have no idea what your point is. BTW, how do you know how much muscle mass he had before/after in an area such as his biceps? There's no really good before pic to compare it to. Not sure what "good amount" really means. Does that mean more or less? Same?

And the answer is under certain circumstances someone can....(like i've said repeatedly). But if someone was lets say under 20% bodyfat and they continued to try to build muscle on a calorie deficit they won't be able to do it. In order to grow you need energy intake. You have to have something to build on.

I agree, but I think everyone is different, for me it was under 20% BF. But regardless for most people if they are at 20% of BF or less they should be doing bulking and cutting cycles not trying to gain while on a deficit. The only reason I did it was I wanted to reach my goal weight before I started a bulk.

I know I'm still over 20%. I started from 340 lbs, so I've had a lot of time to work on my squat technique.

joejccva71

my understanding is that newbies to to weight lifting can gain muscle while on a calorie deficit/losing weight..but eventually the body adjusts and you have to start feeding those muscles more and more... so for newbies- yes, its possible..but for more experienced weight trainers, nope.

How long are you considered a newbie? I just started doing a bulk but I continued to gain for an entire 13 months prior to that.

What were your stats when you started lifting? (not when you started your bulk)

ArroganceInStep

10 lbs is NOT a big gain overall. But you thought he gained 10l s per arm. Cosidering the weight me lost and his comments on size after the weight loss, I think must have maintained a big amount of muscle as well gained in some areas. Look how much weight lost and how much muscle that accompanies that much loss. That tells me he has to gain a good amount just to stay the same size

10 lbs is a big gain overall.

maruxf

I've lost 20 pounds in the past 3 months and there is NO way the muscles that I have now where there under the flab. I've been doing so at a deficit.

Also, I can never eat back the exercise calories. I tried once and it felt like I was binging (eating when I wasn't hungry).

I do have isolated whey shake within 30 minutes after each exercises session (cardio, strenght, or circuit). I always go over the fiber and protein macros given by MFP and almost always under the fat macros.

Jeff92se

10 lbs is NOT a big gain overall. But you thought he gained 10l s per arm. Cosidering the weight me lost and his comments on size after the weight loss, I think must have maintained a big amount of muscle as well gained in some areas. Look how much weight lost and how much muscle that accompanies that much loss. That tells me he has to gain a good amount just to stay the same size

10 lbs is a big gain overall.

You do know I did the math on the over % 10% would be right? So again, do you know how much he would have gained to even maintain or "didn't gain much" as you say? It would probably have to be 10lbs+

You've already admitted it. But when pressed to a number you deny

Ambrogio1

If you can't muscle muscle on a deficit should I be naive to think I am going to maintaine 180 and increase bench by 30-50 lbs?

Jeff92se

If you can't muscle muscle on a deficit should I be naive to think I am going to maintaine 180 and increase bench by 30-50 lbs?

They didn't want to attribute a 150lb gain to any muscle mass improvement so you're going to be out of luck

ArroganceInStep

You do know I did the math on the over % 10% would be right? So again, do you know how much he would have gained to even maintain or "didn't gain much" as you say? It would probably have to be 10lbs+

You've already admitted it. But when pressed to a number you deny

I actually specifically said I couldn't give a well thought out number because I don't have enough information.

And yet, you ALSO didn't provide a number

Jeff92se

You do know I did the math on the over % 10% would be right? So again, do you know how much he would have gained to even maintain or "didn't gain much" as you say? It would probably have to be 10lbs+

You've already admitted it. But when pressed to a number you deny

I actually specifically said I couldn't give a well thought out number because I don't have enough information.

And yet, you ALSO didn't provide a number

You know the weight he was previously. You know the weight he ended up at. You saw the before/after pics. There is a big weight loss there. Weight loss has to be with muscle loss. Combined with this comments after, there should be a bigger than a 10lb muscle mass maintained or gained there.

It's okay though, by now, you're just onto this semantics deflection angle and haven't been interested in any constructive debate for about a week