How much are you deadlifting?
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Huh? You didn't quote the OP (original poster) -- were you defending me here? :bigsmile:Other than that he's good0 -
Yes, I know about the Wilkes correction factors... LOLHave you heard of wilks scores? Lol at a guy trying to use leverage to argue that they are 'at least as strong' as me. I am a 46 year old woman. You really think that your comments are even relevant? In any event, strength has nothing to do with whether I would not take advice from you. Your form is terrible.
Your deadlift form is abysmal, your rack pull is not a rack pull and I have no idea what that yoke pull was supposed to be.
However, while they do attempt to make corrections for people of different weights (I am far lighter than you, but, yes, like you pointed out in your reply, you are a woman, which makes it harder, biologically, than me to get helpful hormones and chemicals that our bodies generate), nonetheless, Wilkes does NOT make corrections for lifters that have range of motion disadvantages, but that isn't consistent: If they correct for one disadvantage, why not another?
Also, you don't know what a yoke lift is because you are like me -- a human who didn't hear about it, as it's not a common lift -- but the 'Strongman' games use the Yoke ALL THE TIME, and if you had watched my video to the end (like the other poster) you would have seen what it is -- and seen me not only lift the 710-lbs off the ground with no leverage trick but also count the weights to prove how much it was.
Lastly, what exactly about my DL form seems not good to you, Sara? Do I yank the weight? (dangerous on arms) or rather, do I round my back? ((I used to do both of these in my older videos, but in this one???)) >> Here is my 710-lb yoke lift and other progress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ekHA4OU_E (that's not a lot, at least for a mere lift of a few inched- so I'm not bragging) <<
*sigh*
female v male.
Form on your deads - your back is horribly rounded, you are not pulling back and you are using far too much lower back for starters.
And i know what a yoke lift is. Do not make assumptions...again.
Well, for starters, most or all professional lifters (including world-record holders) have not said I rounded my back, when I solicited their feedback, and I trust them more than you -but you may be right, a little: I may round my back a bit -- a little upper back rounding is OK (but not lower back).
Secondly, I did NOT make assumptions, Sara: You, yourself admitted as much when you said, and I quote: "l and I have no idea what that yoke pull was supposed to be." LOL
You sound bored - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks
*that* being your yoke..../smh0 -
Thx 4 citing yr sources & clarifying :bigsmile:Just to be clear...this is the video of the lifts being discussed. I think the bench is my favorite.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ekHA4OU_E
Now...back to time travel
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Other than that he's good
No, not really.0 -
Well, yes, that's ONE of the things it corrects.Have you heard of testosterone?
ETA: the male/female and weight thing is what the wilks-coefficient is for.0 -
@GordonWayneWatts-Come on you have to admit your PR's in your video are bogus, considering your form is so bad that the lifts you are attempting in the video barely resemble well the lifts you are attempting.
Now you may try and counter this with referencing your height,weight,arm or leg length but I have seen people with similar proportions do all of these lifts with correct form.(Well the actual lifts, not the noodle dance you are doing in the video)
Your lifts are cheat lifts and sadly if you keep that terrible form you are going to injure yourself, would hate to be your gym as you are a insurance nightmare.0 -
200kg at 99kg (190cm if that's relevant to 'calculations')0
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Well, yes, that's ONE of the things it corrects.Have you heard of testosterone?
ETA: the male/female and weight thing is what the wilks-coefficient is for.
Two actually.0 -
The amount one can lift is affected by A NUMBER of things, including (but not limited to)BTW Mr Time Traveler, this has NOTHING to do with how much weight someone can lift even though you decided to go down that route. How much someone can lift =/= their knowledge on form or training.
knowledge
applied technique
height
weight
reach
gender
age
level of training
injuries / illnesses
and even mood and attitude.
What's your point? You want me to feel sorry for you or give you special breaks because you're a woman (you make an excellent point about testosterone and Wilkes earlier)? -- I'm not going to attempt to insult you because of what you can (or can't) lift, but I also don't intend to be a pity party: If we are to get stronger, we must push ourselves!
While, on the one hand, we must not beat-up ourselves for being weaker than the next lifter (all of us are weaker than someone else, at one lift or another), I SURE won't think I'm "weaker" when I actually am stronger on a given point -- it's not about insulting anyone, but rather about the competitive nature of the spirit, and about encouraging one's self to see the good in himself/herself (and by extension, to see the good in others: after all, if we don't love ourselves or *help* ourselves, how can we help others in need?).0 -
"We report; You decide" :glasses:Deadlifting,How not to do it or any other lift in this video-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ekHA4OU_E
Be weary of GordonWayneWatts advice, watch the video if unsure. Make your own decision.0 -
I have decided and imagine any one who watches your video will come to the same conclusions. But I reiterate...
"We report; You decide" :glasses:Deadlifting,How not to do it or any other lift in this video-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ekHA4OU_E
Be weary of GordonWayneWatts advice, watch the video if unsure. Make your own decision.@GordonWayneWatts-Come on you have to admit your PR's in your video are bogus, considering your form is so bad that the lifts you are attempting in the video barely resemble well the lifts you are attempting.
Now you may try and counter this with referencing your height,weight,arm or leg length but I have seen people with similar proportions do all of these lifts with correct form.(Well the actual lifts, not the noodle dance you are doing in the video)
Your lifts are cheat lifts and sadly if you keep that terrible form you are going to injure yourself, would hate to be your gym as you are a insurance nightmare.0 -
I don't recall admitting I did anything amiss, except for possibly being too talkative... which I may have done. And, yes, I did just barely get depth on that vid, but remember, Sara, as I'm a taller person, my femur bones, the lever-arm of the squat, are probably longer, and this affects the amount one can lift, all other things being equal:Delude yourself all you want, but the video speaks for itself, and I am talking about more than the deads.
And yes, it is bad protocol to come into a thread like this...a fact that you already acknowledged, or are you going back on what you admitted to earlier?
ETA: fwiw, you did just get depth on your 205lb squat imo
It's just not fair to say I'm "weaker" if I have a leverage disadvantage. One way to correct that might be to change the range of motion to decrease it slightly (since, of course, lifters with shorter legs move the weight over a shorter distance). I never have made corrections for range of motion in the squat, but you're giving me good ideas.
I want to know how strong I "really" am, after all. 0 -
The amount one can lift is affected by A NUMBER of things, including (but not limited to)BTW Mr Time Traveler, this has NOTHING to do with how much weight someone can lift even though you decided to go down that route. How much someone can lift =/= their knowledge on form or training.
knowledge
applied technique
height
weight
reach
gender
age
level of training
injuries / illnesses
and even mood and attitude.
What's your point? You want me to feel sorry for you or give you special breaks because you're a woman (you make an excellent point about testosterone and Wilkes earlier)? -- I'm not going to attempt to insult you because of what you can (or can't) lift, but I also don't intend to be a pity party: If we are to get stronger, we must push ourselves!
While, on the one hand, we must not beat-up ourselves for being weaker than the next lifter (all of us are weaker than someone else, at one lift or another), I SURE won't think I'm "weaker" when I actually am stronger on a given point -- it's not about insulting anyone, but rather about the competitive nature of the spirit, and about encouraging one's self to see the good in himself/herself (and by extension, to see the good in others: after all, if we don't love ourselves or *help* ourselves, how can we help others in need?).
My point, is what I stated.
And don't be ridiculous, of course I do not want you to feel sorry for me because I am a woman. I was making the point that you trying to compare your lifts to mine and finagle a way of saying you are stronger is ludicrous, especially when not taking gender into account.0 -
I seem to be late to this argument, in which I'm not going to participate, because I just want to answer the question originally posted because yesterday I managed 3x5x165lbs deadlifts. I'm female, 5'6" and weigh 145lbs.
Yep, this here is my show-off post.
Cheers0 -
Hello Gordonwaynewatts,
I would like to throw my 2 penneth into this wonderful discourse. I appears you may be new here on myfitnesspal and possible the internet as a whole. I would like to congratulate you on still having the desire to lift weights at the age of 60 plus but more so for listing the weights in your youtube video in both KG and stones for british viewers. A courtesy not extended by most of these American heathens, it is nice to see some people have respect for the Queen. I would however strongly suggest you seek the services of a qualified strength a conditioning coach. You seem to be quite strong but your training appears to be a mix of poorly performed partial range movements.
If this has offended you, or anyone else here is a picture of a cat to make up for it.
Hope that helps.
>^^..^^< "Meow"
Translation: It's all good, old chap.! :bigsmile:0 -
I don't recall admitting I did anything amiss, except for possibly being too talkative... which I may have done. And, yes, I did just barely get depth on that vid, but remember, Sara, as I'm a taller person, my femur bones, the lever-arm of the squat, are probably longer, and this affects the amount one can lift, all other things being equal:Delude yourself all you want, but the video speaks for itself, and I am talking about more than the deads.
And yes, it is bad protocol to come into a thread like this...a fact that you already acknowledged, or are you going back on what you admitted to earlier?
ETA: fwiw, you did just get depth on your 205lb squat imo
It's just not fair to say I'm "weaker" if I have a leverage disadvantage. One way to correct that might be to change the range of motion to decrease it slightly (since, of course, lifters with shorter legs move the weight over a shorter distance). I never have made corrections for range of motion in the squat, but you're giving me good ideas. I want to know how strong I "really" am, after all.
OMG - I say you get depth and you still want to debate...
I am not sure what you are on about regarding the rest as that was not what I was even referring to.
You change your ROM for bench...by adding like 6 inches of blocks. Yeah, seems legit. You rack pull 1inch off the bars and call that legit...I can go on, but it's late.0 -
Not all my lifts: some are legal lifts -- and I *do* lift from a height disadvantage that doesn't plague some other lifters.@GordonWayneWatts-Come on you have to admit your PR's in your video are bogus, considering your form is so bad that the lifts you are attempting in the video barely resemble well the lifts you are attempting.
Now you may try and counter this with referencing your height,weight,arm or leg length but I have seen people with similar proportions do all of these lifts with correct form.(Well the actual lifts, not the noodle dance you are doing in the video)
Your lifts are cheat lifts and sadly if you keep that terrible form you are going to injure yourself, would hate to be your gym as you are a insurance nightmare.
(Admittedly, there are lifter my height and taller who can actually lift more in the deadlift or squat --and, there are lifter with a longer reach who can out-bench me as well, LOL, but I do try to be competitive, when I can afford the time and energy: it's the only way to get better!)0 -
Not all my lifts: some are legal lifts -- and I *do* lift from a height disadvantage that doesn't plague some other lifters.@GordonWayneWatts-Come on you have to admit your PR's in your video are bogus, considering your form is so bad that the lifts you are attempting in the video barely resemble well the lifts you are attempting.
Now you may try and counter this with referencing your height,weight,arm or leg length but I have seen people with similar proportions do all of these lifts with correct form.(Well the actual lifts, not the noodle dance you are doing in the video)
Your lifts are cheat lifts and sadly if you keep that terrible form you are going to injure yourself, would hate to be your gym as you are a insurance nightmare.
(Admittedly, there are lifter my height and taller who can actually lift more in the deadlift or squat --and, there are lifter with a longer reach who can out-bench me as well, LOL, but I do try to be competitive, when I can afford the time and energy: it's the only way to get better!)
Question: you say you are 3" taller than me, or did I get that wrong?0 -
Eh? The Wilkes formula corrects for gender (based on the differing hormonal balance in women vs men) - that's only one thing that gives you any case for an argument. But it also corrects for weight - I guess that's what you meant when you said "2 things" --actually, there are (I think?) Wilkes corrections for differing age-groups (that would be 3)
Well, yes, that's ONE of the things it corrects.Have you heard of testosterone?
ETA: the male/female and weight thing is what the wilks-coefficient is for.
Two actually.
-- it doesn't correct for heights or other biometrics (length of limbs, etc.), but it should. While you ARE indeed strong for a woman, your actual strength is ABSOLUTE, not relative. You are only as strong as you are.
My correction for height/ROM etc., is a correction that shows ones ACTUAL strength (over a given range of motion) : think about that.: smile:0 -
Eh? The Wilkes formula corrects for gender (based on the differing hormonal balance in women vs men) - that's only one thing that gives you any case for an argument. But it also corrects for weight - I guess that's what you meant when you said "2 things" --actually, there are (I think?) Wilkes corrections for differing age-groups (that would be 3)
Well, yes, that's ONE of the things it corrects.Have you heard of testosterone?
ETA: the male/female and weight thing is what the wilks-coefficient is for.
Two actually.
-- it doesn't correct for heights or other biometrics (length of limbs, etc.), but it should. While you ARE indeed strong for a woman, your actual strength is ABSOLUTE, not relative. You are only as strong as you are.
My correction for height/ROM etc., is a correction that shows ones ACTUAL strength (over a given range of motion) : think about that.: smile:
Yes..two things. And yes, you have made your attempted point re height, incessantly.
And no, your does not. Yours just lifts the weight off the ground by quite a few inches.
ETA: men v women is not just hormonal you know!0 -
You have NO knowledge or technique. It's us that feels sorry for you because in the end you will severely injure yourself.
Thx 4 yr 2 cent's worth, Mc, but:
To reprise the excellent point that Sara made, I trust the feedback, analyses, and advice of people I've known and trust than that of total strangers. While not all of the criticism I have gotten here has been totally wrong, I think my technique and form are more along the lines of what my many powerlifting friends that I've known has said, and less along the lines of what I've heard tonight from a few people.
If you folk would spend as much time WORKING OUT as you do arguing, you'd make mighty good progress! (or at least a bit more than what is the case now) -- in fact, I may become "less talkative" for my own health, as my advice to you is as good for me too.0 -
You have NO knowledge or technique. It's us that feels sorry for you because in the end you will severely injure yourself.
Thx 4 yr 2 cent's worth, Mc, but:
To reprise the excellent point that Sara made, I trust the feedback, analyses, and advice of people I've known and trust than that of total strangers. While not all of the criticism I have gotten here has been totally wrong, I think my technique and form are more along the lines of what my many powerlifting friends that I've known has said, and less along the lines of what I've heard tonight from a few people.
If you folk would spend as much time WORKING OUT as you do arguing, you'd make mighty good progress! (or at least a bit more than what is the case now) -- in fact, I may become "less talkative" for my own health, as my advice to you is as good for me too.
Ironic post is ironic.0 -
I thought we were going to get back to time travel...0
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Maybe you did not read my post will reiterate "Now you may try and counter this with referencing your height,weight,arm or leg length but I have seen people with similar proportions do all of these lifts with correct form."
Not all my lifts: some are legal lifts -- and I *do* lift from a height disadvantage that doesn't plague some other lifters.@GordonWayneWatts-Come on you have to admit your PR's in your video are bogus, considering your form is so bad that the lifts you are attempting in the video barely resemble well the lifts you are attempting.
Now you may try and counter this with referencing your height,weight,arm or leg length but I have seen people with similar proportions do all of these lifts with correct form.(Well the actual lifts, not the noodle dance you are doing in the video)
Your lifts are cheat lifts and sadly if you keep that terrible form you are going to injure yourself, would hate to be your gym as you are a insurance nightmare.
(Admittedly, there are lifter my height and taller who can actually lift more in the deadlift or squat --and, there are lifter with a longer reach who can out-bench me as well, LOL, but I do try to be competitive, when I can afford the time and energy: it's the only way to get better!)
Now there are lifters who have significant height issues but I have read about form adjustments to deal with said issues and they are NOT what is being done in your videos...your lifts are cheat lifts and terrible form.
Your height does not justify your lack of correct form or false PR's.0 -
My point, is what I stated.
And don't be ridiculous, of course I do not want you to feel sorry for me because I am a woman. I was making the point that you trying to compare your lifts to mine and finagle a way of saying you are stronger is ludicrous, especially when not taking gender into account.
Well, you're correct: I took into account all other factors except gender:
If I had taken that into account, then my analysis would have said you're only "super strong" when compared to other women, but in the real world, we compete for positions that require physical strength with BOTH genders: The armed forces and many jobs, for example, don't cut you a break here because you're a woman: If you can only lift A-B-and-C weight, so be it.
Now, range of motion, on the other hand, tells us how strong a person *really* is -- that is a valid correction: After all, when looking at lifter-A (who was reeeal short) and lifter-B (who was much taller, and could lift MORE over the same range of motion, but markedly less when, effectively "standing on a stilts" (his legs) or standing on a box (for deficit deadlifts), who do you think would win in a competition of any sort based on pure strength? (Hint: In real life, a person doing a job that required a lot of heavy lifting *would * be allowed to change the height of the starting platform if he/she were to work there, in many cases.)0 -
With no disrespect meant to the other lifters who are participating, I think you are wise to avoid non-lifting conversation. (Maybe you are a wise example for others to follow?)I seem to be late to this argument, in which I'm not going to participate, because I just want to answer the question originally posted because yesterday I managed 3x5x165lbs deadlifts. I'm female, 5'6" and weigh 145lbs.
Yep, this here is my show-off post.
Cheers0 -
My point, is what I stated.
And don't be ridiculous, of course I do not want you to feel sorry for me because I am a woman. I was making the point that you trying to compare your lifts to mine and finagle a way of saying you are stronger is ludicrous, especially when not taking gender into account.
Well, you're correct: I took into account all other factors except gender:
If I had taken that into account, then my analysis would have said you're only "super strong" when compared to other women, but in the real world, we compete for positions that require physical strength with BOTH genders: The armed forces and many jobs, for example, don't cut you a break here because you're a woman: If you can only lift A-B-and-C weight, so be it.
Now, range of motion, on the other hand, tells us how strong a person *really* is -- that is a valid correction: After all, when looking at lifter-A (who was reeeal short) and lifter-B (who was much taller, and could lift MORE over the same range of motion, but markedly less when, effectively "standing on a stilts" (his legs) or standing on a box (for deficit deadlifts), who do you think would win in a competition of any sort based on pure strength? (Hint: In real life, a person doing a job that required a lot of heavy lifting *would * be allowed to change the height of the starting platform if he/she were to work there, in many cases.)
You do not get it at all. I do not care whether you or anyone else thinks I am strong. That has NOTHING to do with it.
ETA: you did not answer my earlier question...how tall are you?
Also, the armed forces have different requirements vis a vis men and women btw.0 -
I know as time travel is of much more significance to me, why waste your time talking about deadlifts when we could be unlocking the secrets of the universe.I thought we were going to get back to time travel...0 -
But, don't you want to know how strong you *really* are?...OMG - I say you get depth and you still want to debate...
I am not sure what you are on about regarding the rest as that was not what I was even referring to.
You change your ROM for bench...by adding like 6 inches of blocks. Yeah, seems legit. You rack pull 1inch off the bars and call that legit...I can go on, but it's late.0 -
With no disrespect meant to the other lifters who are participating, I think you are wise to avoid non-lifting conversation. (Maybe you are a wise example for others to follow?)I seem to be late to this argument, in which I'm not going to participate, because I just want to answer the question originally posted because yesterday I managed 3x5x165lbs deadlifts. I'm female, 5'6" and weigh 145lbs.
Yep, this here is my show-off post.
Cheers
Yes, yes indeed.0
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