Students forced to give passwords...
Wow!! I can't not believe that school officials would subject the students to such activity. I monitor my son's facebook, and I do not think the school should be allowed to do so. He doesn't have anything on there that would embarrass him if the school officials seen it, but isn't there a fine line between what is right here and what is wrong?
As stated in the article, if drug traffiking is suspected, the police should be involved. They will decide if looking at computers, and cell phones is necessary.
What do you think?
http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11747289-school-officials-facebook-rummaging-prompts-moms-privacy-crusade?lite
As stated in the article, if drug traffiking is suspected, the police should be involved. They will decide if looking at computers, and cell phones is necessary.
What do you think?
http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11747289-school-officials-facebook-rummaging-prompts-moms-privacy-crusade?lite
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Yea, that's taking things way too far. Schools should only bother themselves with stuff that goes on in their premises. Beyond that, that's infringing on someone's personal life and way out of line. I would get out of that school ASAP.0
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I found it ironic that the article stated nothing about the mom wanting to remove the child from the school. She just wanted something done about it because this does enfringes upon breaking some serious privacy issues. I commend her for her efforts.0
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Not only NO but HELL NO!0
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Excuse me for being blunt but I told my sons school to fu_ck off and get a warrant.
I then told them if they wanted to see a pissed off nasty facebook posting on that schools administration they better get a warrant for my facebook account.
This is the same school my son was continually bullied, we complained many times (and found out others had about this bully) and finally my kid was cornered. My son had been taking krav maga for 3+ years, no one really knew it and he completely destroyed the bully. Cowardly admins wanted to suspend my son as the agressor until my lawyer walked in with a ton of evidence showing the admins ducked their heads in the sand about this particular child (I am sure it had nothingt o do with it being the grandson of the local mayor). Everything magically went away....
God- I hate nit picking, feel good admins who hew to zero tolerance policy BS so that they dont have to thin or use common sense. When does the pendulum begin to swing back the other way?0 -
Not that I agree with the school admins practice, but... ummm... What's a 13 year-old girl doing with a facebook page anyway? My daughter wasn't allowed to get one until she was 16, and then I monitored it (and her friends) regularly.0
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Excuse me for being blunt but I told my sons school to fu_ck off and get a warrant.
I then told them if they wanted to see a pissed off nasty facebook posting on that schools administration they better get a warrant for my facebook account.
This is the same school my son was continually bullied, we complained many times (and found out others had about this bully) and finally my kid was cornered. My son had been taking krav maga for 3+ years, no one really knew it and he completely destroyed the bully. Cowardly admins wanted to suspend my son as the agressor until my lawyer walked in with a ton of evidence showing the admins ducked their heads in the sand about this particular child (I am sure it had nothingt o do with it being the grandson of the local mayor). Everything magically went away....
God- I hate nit picking, feel good admins who hew to zero tolerance policy BS so that they dont have to thin or use common sense. When does the pendulum begin to swing back the other way?
duuuude i wish you would have been my dad when i was in highschool! i applaud you sir.0 -
It's not just schools - some employers are asking for passwords or asking applicants to log into their facebook accounts so they can take a look at them.0
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I think they are doing it to protect all students. Not all students have parents that care. Some of them come home to terrible lifestyles where they have to take care of the parent. I work in a middle/high school and feel so sorry for the majority of the kdis because they have parents who dont care what they do. Some of them have some pretty sad situations going on. I say go ahead, it may just save the life of someone.0
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hmm. it does seem to be a violation of privacy. but minors don't have the same right to privacy that adutls have... however, i would think the parents are the only people allowed to invade their privacy!
If the school wanted to monitor my son's personal communications, you bet I'd be on them and tell them to get a warrant. Especially if we are talking about FB, personal texts, etc.
Its an interesting thing though. I'll tell ya, the law hasn't quite caught up with technology. When I was in high school, if you got caught passing notes, the teacher took the note and read it. That is kind of accepted. But lets say you get caught texting- can the teacher read the text? Can the teacher read all your texts? Can the teacher also look at your pics? Your apps? Your FB which is linked onto your smart phone? Your FB messages??
The law hasn't answered these questions yet. But I think parents have a right to say "hell no" and make a court come to a decision about it rather than just let the school get away with it.0 -
WOW! Hell to the NO. Did you read the part of them having to unlock their cell phones in the principles office?! WTF is that?!
I'd wreak havoc!0 -
Way too freakin' far IMO..0
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It's not just schools - some employers are asking for passwords or asking applicants to log into their facebook accounts so they can take a look at them.
This is just absolutely wrong. Absolutely unacceptable. My FB is PRIVATE. It's not professional. And they haven't any right to insist on invading your privacy to check up on you. They can google you. They can look for you on FB. But they have absolutely no right whatsoever to your password!0 -
I don't think it's the school's right to know what is posted on facebook. School admins don't follow your children when they go out to hang out with friends and don't read their cell phones (for the most part...my school did). They also shouldn't be allowed to go on the child's facebook, especially with the password. It would be different if they made an account and had everyone friend them, but the password is ridiculous!!0
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WOW! Hell to the NO. Did you read the part of them having to unlock their cell phones in the principles office?! WTF is that?!
I'd wreak havoc!
absolutely. The school rule should be cell phones off. If you get caught with it on, it gets confiscated until the end of the day. That's it. Seems simple to me!0 -
It's not just schools - some employers are asking for passwords or asking applicants to log into their facebook accounts so they can take a look at them.
I've also heard of this.0 -
WOW! Hell to the NO. Did you read the part of them having to unlock their cell phones in the principles office?! WTF is that?!
I'd wreak havoc!
When phones were taken off of students in my high school, they would search through the phones. One girl took her battery out and refused to give it to them. She said there is nothing she can do with a battery so what is the problem. They suspended her out of school for a week because they couldn't look through her phone.0 -
I would rather shut down my facebook. I feel very strongly that I will present myself in a socially acceptable manner in my professional ( or in the student's cases, educational) setting, but refuse to allow my private time be mandated or governed by employers/schools.0
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Why does a 13 year old need a Facebook page? My son is 12 and asked for one and I said NO.0
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Some private schools actually have gag orders that you must sign in order to attend the school....such no bashing the school or administration on the internet which includes FB.The school is responsible for education only. If they feel there is an issue at home or with other students or with safety there are a number of resources -- calling the parents, suggesting that the kid talk to the school counselor, and if really necessary CPS. If it is a legal matter like drugs then you involve the police and they will get warrants if necessary.
Schools should need a warrant to search Facebook (and other social media sites) and cellphones and before they even attempt to get the student to "volunteer" information or try to intimidate them for information a parent needs to be involved BUT there shouldn't be any need. If something goes far enough to need to search FB then it is probably a legal matter that needs to have police involvement.0 -
WOW! Hell to the NO. Did you read the part of them having to unlock their cell phones in the principles office?! WTF is that?!
I'd wreak havoc!
absolutely. The school rule should be cell phones off. If you get caught with it on, it gets confiscated until the end of the day. That's it. Seems simple to me!
EXACTLY! You catch me messing around on it, you have the authority to take it because I'm not supposed to. It's turned off, handed in, and a parent should come to retrieve it. It is never turned on, looked through or asked to be unlocked! EVER. You can then proceed to give me a detention, or give me an extra assignment, or make me stay after school, whatever. But you're not going through my ****. End of story.
I'll even go as far as saying I would agree with teachers/administrators punishing a student caught checking their Facebook or Twitter or whatever social media website on a school's computer as it's not meant to be used for that. When you're on your own time, you can check those sites. While at school, you should be getting an education.0 -
I think they are doing it to protect all students. Not all students have parents that care. Some of them come home to terrible lifestyles where they have to take care of the parent. I work in a middle/high school and feel so sorry for the majority of the kdis because they have parents who dont care what they do. Some of them have some pretty sad situations going on. I say go ahead, it may just save the life of someone.
“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” ~Benjamin Franklin
The government needs to keep out of our business!!!!!!!!0 -
Not really the issue, is it?Why does a 13 year old need a Facebook page? My son is 12 and asked for one and I said NO.0 -
My son's facebook page does not allow login from any unauthorized computer, so they couldn't do anything with the password anyway which he has been instructed to give to no one and if the school threatens him, he is instructed to keep quiet until I get there or they leave him alone no matter what they say. I monitor his page and his phone does not have internet, and I scan it periodically (in front of him) so there is nothing to see there and he doesn't get any ideas about trying to hide anything from me ( I am an IT) .....Schools need to focus on determining how kids learn and the best ways to teach them and not worry about what they do in their spare time.....that's my job.0
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No way, no how would I allow that. I'd be screaming in front of the school board.0
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I think they are doing it to protect all students. Not all students have parents that care. Some of them come home to terrible lifestyles where they have to take care of the parent. I work in a middle/high school and feel so sorry for the majority of the kdis because they have parents who dont care what they do. Some of them have some pretty sad situations going on. I say go ahead, it may just save the life of someone.
So it's OK to violate civil rights because some kids come from bad homes?
Uh ... no.0 -
Are they accessing facebook through school computers? If not, they can take a hike. If the school doesn't want kids going to facebook on school computers, they can restrict access to the site (and any others that are not appropriate at school).
At my school, students and staff could only go through the district's email programs, etc., and all students/staff had a school email account which the district had access to and students knew not to do anything stupid on. They used this account to send themselves homework assignments, interact with others on school projects, etc. If you wanted to play around on non-educational sites or engage in social networking, you had to do it on your own time on your own property. Fine by me.
If the facebook is not being accessed on school computers, it's really none of the school's business what your password is. If it IS being accessed and used on school property, the district may have liability if something bad happens on their watch.0 -
It doesn't seem like the school should be able to even question the students without contacting the parents first. This not only protects the child, but covers the school administration as well. Even the police don't question minors without a parent present! If it were my child, I'd instruct her to sit there and make them call me before opening anything!0
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I pre-enrolled my son for Kindergarten yesterday, and I found lot of the questions to be intrusive. For example what dentist do we use, are we migrant workers, can the school nurse call my son's doctor directly...
This helps him with his ABC's how?0 -
I work in a school. I can't think of any reason why we would ever go ask a student for a password.
If there is a issue, we go to the state police and would order FB to give the information.0 -
I pre-enrolled my son for Kindergarten yesterday, and I found lot of the questions to be intrusive. For example what dentist do we use, are we migrant workers, can the school nurse call my son's doctor directly...
This helps him with his ABC's how?
I don't know about the dentist issue, but the migrant worker thing is probably tied to funding and also would allow the school to provide specific services.
The doctor question is legitimate. What if there's an emergency and they can't reach you for some reason?0
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