Students forced to give passwords...
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I am the parent to my child, not my child's school. Granted, I allow them the privilege of be caretaker and instructor and protector of my most prized possessions for several hours a day and a good percentage of the year, but as far as my child's online presence, it is personal. As I tell them and all of my friends, if you don't want people to find out, you don't put it online. Someone with enough resources can find out every last thing you've posted online. I know that my employer can look to see what I have on my FB page if the posts are public. Other than that, it's not going to happen. I keep private things private for a reason. Just like they can't come watch me take a shower or watch me in my most intimate private moments at home... they aren't going to be doing that in a virtual sense either. If some kids don't have decent parents, then that problem needs to be addressed... this 'stick a BandAid on it' mentality doesn't fix any problems and the 'stick my nose into your business because I know what's right for you' mentality is every frappin worse! No thank you!!!!0
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I think they are doing it to protect all students. Not all students have parents that care. Some of them come home to terrible lifestyles where they have to take care of the parent. I work in a middle/high school and feel so sorry for the majority of the kdis because they have parents who dont care what they do. Some of them have some pretty sad situations going on. I say go ahead, it may just save the life of someone.
I have to agree! I believe all its doing is taking care of business. School teachers and authority should have a right to play the role as parent during school hours. Maybe that's the only parent figure that they have in their lives. Facebook/internet isnt a bed of roses and kids are getting out of hand especially the 12 yr olds on fb, etc.0 -
Actually, I never said 16. I said as long as they're considered minors. I'm not suggesting they don't have legal rights; of course they do. I'm talking about in my home and in the private schools I've enrolled them. There are no "privacy rights" in my home. That doesn't mean I'll walk in and start picking through their backpacks without a reason. It means I will IF I want to or if I suspect something is up.That's because in the US, we have rights, but you don't think they should apply to anyone under 16.0 -
I guess I'm the odd one out but as far as I'm concerned I'd have no issue with the schools having passwords to my child's fb....it would cut down on all the social bullying plus I want my kids protected and if they want to help keep an extra eye then fine by me. If your child is as " behaved" as you think, why would there be an issue.
Think of it like this. It's like you standing in the street having a conversation with a friend about, say, where to eat your lunch. Then, your manager walks up behind you, and stands there listening in. You're not saying anything wrong in the conversation, but is your manager right to just come over and listen?0 -
You're not the odd one out! I agree.I guess I'm the odd one out but as far as I'm concerned I'd have no issue with the schools having passwords to my child's fb....it would cut down on all the social bullying plus I want my kids protected and if they want to help keep an extra eye then fine by me. If your child is as " behaved" as you think, why would there be an issue.0 -
Not that I agree with the school admins practice, but... ummm... What's a 13 year-old girl doing with a facebook page anyway? My daughter wasn't allowed to get one until she was 16, and then I monitored it (and her friends) regularly.
you go Mama!! So proud of you, wish more parents would be that way
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Depends on where you work.Think of it like this. It's like you standing in the street having a conversation with a friend about, say, where to eat your lunch. Then, your manager walks up behind you, and stands there listening in. You're not saying anything wrong in the conversation, but is your manager right to just come over and listen?0 -
Schools only have this policy because they know most people will not pay for a lawyer.0
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Wait.....so you're suggesting that parents who check their children's FB accounts, their phone records, look through their rooms just lack trust and respect and are not supportive????I think the lack of trust and respect shown is what makes some people behave the way they do. You can be supportive and helpful without invading someone's privacy, at ANY age. Do that, and when they think they need help or advice they'll seek it.0 -
:flowerforyou:Not that I agree with the school admins practice, but... ummm... What's a 13 year-old girl doing with a facebook page anyway? My daughter wasn't allowed to get one until she was 16, and then I monitored it (and her friends) regularly.0 -
Wait.....so you're suggesting that parents who check their children's FB accounts, their phone records, look through their rooms just lack trust and respect and are not supportive????I think the lack of trust and respect shown is what makes some people behave the way they do. You can be supportive and helpful without invading someone's privacy, at ANY age. Do that, and when they think they need help or advice they'll seek it.
I'm not saying they're not supportive, but I would say it shows a lack of respect. You said there are no privacy policies in your house - do you let your kids have all your passwords? I doubt it.0 -
I guess I'm the odd one out but as far as I'm concerned I'd have no issue with the schools having passwords to my child's fb....it would cut down on all the social bullying plus I want my kids protected and if they want to help keep an extra eye then fine by me. If your child is as " behaved" as you think, why would there be an issue.
I don't agree w/ the school asking for passwords for the simple fact there is a lot of identity theft out there for one. Why should I trust the school with my child's information? I still refuse to give my kids' SSN numbers to the school - they have NO need for them. I'm very picky about the type of information I give them and when they ask, you can bet I'm the parent that asks "Why do you need that?" That's my job as a parent.
For another, if there's a bullying issue going on at school and my child is involved - I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. How am I supposed to deal with it as a parent, if I'm kept in the dark?
I realize there are kids that don't get discipline/attention/etc at home, so what this means I have to relinquish my rights to raise my child to the school?
The way I see it is the school and the parents are PARTNERS in an effort to educate and raise these kids. I've always told my kids teachers 'If there is a problem, you let me know and we'll handle it TOGETHER"
If the school feels it is something criminal in nature, than they can contact the sheriff's department and get a warrant and move on from there.
To me, the school is being lazy by requiring kids to give their passwords.0 -
This. It absolutely amazes me.
I think the lack of trust and respect shown is what makes some people behave the way they do. You can be supportive and helpful without invading someone's privacy, at ANY age. Do that, and when they think they need help or advice they'll seek it.
Invade, and people will just become even more private.
We saved my stepson's life by snooping and invading his privacy. He may have killed himself if we hadn't. Some kids have deep issues that make it necessary for you to invade their privacy because they will not seek help on their own. A parent should be checking in on their kids a lot to make sure they're ok because they won't always tell you and it isn't always obvious they're hiding things. I am against someone else invading my kid's privacy but I'll do it again in a heartbeat.0 -
Wait.....so you're suggesting that parents who check their children's FB accounts, their phone records, look through their rooms just lack trust and respect and are not supportive????I think the lack of trust and respect shown is what makes some people behave the way they do. You can be supportive and helpful without invading someone's privacy, at ANY age. Do that, and when they think they need help or advice they'll seek it.
I'm not saying they're not supportive, but I would say it shows a lack of respect. You said there are no privacy policies in your house - do you let your kids have all your passwords? I doubt it.
Uh, there's a reason the kids don't have the passwords - it's because THEY ARE KIDS.
I allow my kids basic privacy - like changing in the privacy of their room. But in regards to the internet - there is NO SUCH THING AS PRIVACY. Once it's on the internet, it's there forever, no matter how many times they hit the delete key.
It is my JOB as a parent to teach them that (along with other stuff, how to balance a checkbook, how to cook, how to do laundry, etc...).
The kids - their job is to go to school, do their chores and listen to their parents.0 -
That's hilarious. I'm the parent, they are the children. It is not their obligation to protect me. It is mine to protect them. Do you set curfews for your children in your home? I would hope so. Do they give YOU one? I would hope not.You said there are no privacy policies in your house - do you let your kids have all your passwords? I doubt it.0 -
Well, I know that companies DO look up someone they want to hire on FB. I can't remember the statistics, but it was somewhere near 90% in a survey that was hanging up in my college. I know police can do the same.
But asking a kid - or anyone really - to give over their password is just over doing it. I would tell my school administration where to go if they wanted my password. I don't care if they look at my wall or go through my pictures, but I would refuse to give out my password =/
If they're so concerned, the police can search it.0 -
It's one thing to ask to look at someone's page (if they have it protected) but another thing ENTIRELY to ask for their PASSWORD, which would also give access to private e-mails and chat logs. That's completely inappropriate.0
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Why do they need the passwords though?
Employers are doing this too. I would get fired over it. There's just no f-ing way in hell. It goes way way way beyond their "need to know". WTF. Seriously? Why the password? It's THEIR ACCOUNT. Not only no, but NO F-ING WAY IN HELL!0 -
You are right, I don't believe in drinking or drugs, or even smoking or cussing, but that is just too much invasion of privacy!!!!!!!!0
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I think it's time to switch schools. Plain and simple.0
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It's one thing to ask to look at someone's page (if they have it protected) but another thing ENTIRELY to ask for their PASSWORD, which would also give access to private e-mails and chat logs. That's completely inappropriate.
IT PROVIDES ACCESS INTO THEIR FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND LOTS OF OTHER STUFF. THE ANSWER IS NO!
If I know anyone that does that, I'll delete them out of my friends list, I don't want some school admins snooping around my stuff.0 -
My son's facebook page does not allow login from any unauthorized computer, so they couldn't do anything with the password anyway which he has been instructed to give to no one and if the school threatens him, he is instructed to keep quiet until I get there or they leave him alone no matter what they say. I monitor his page and his phone does not have internet, and I scan it periodically (in front of him) so there is nothing to see there and he doesn't get any ideas about trying to hide anything from me ( I am an IT) .....Schools need to focus on determining how kids learn and the best ways to teach them and not worry about what they do in their spare time.....that's my job.
^^whoa! I wish I had an in house IT for my family!!! haha!
Someone said something about kids have no right to privacy. I disagree. They do. Just not from mom and dad. But they do, as the whole family does, from the school. I think it's connected to the parent's right to privacy. At least that is the angle I would take if I were arguing against the school in court.
...though some states allow children a right to privacy from their parents as well...in terms of access to abortion without parental consent. Or at least I think they do. FYI, I dont' mean to derail this convo by bringing up abortion. It's just, legally, there is no righ to "choice" the entire Roe V. Wade case went the way it did as a matter of a right to PRIVACY.0 -
If you gave the school permission to do something like this, fine. But that's a far cry from the school just deciding it's OK.
Actually, I never said 16. I said as long as they're considered minors. I'm not suggesting they don't have legal rights; of course they do. I'm talking about in my home and in the private schools I've enrolled them. There are no "privacy rights" in my home. That doesn't mean I'll walk in and start picking through their backpacks without a reason. It means I will IF I want to or if I suspect something is up.That's because in the US, we have rights, but you don't think they should apply to anyone under 16.0 -
My son's facebook page does not allow login from any unauthorized computer, so they couldn't do anything with the password anyway which he has been instructed to give to no one and if the school threatens him, he is instructed to keep quiet until I get there or they leave him alone no matter what they say. I monitor his page and his phone does not have internet, and I scan it periodically (in front of him) so there is nothing to see there and he doesn't get any ideas about trying to hide anything from me ( I am an IT) .....Schools need to focus on determining how kids learn and the best ways to teach them and not worry about what they do in their spare time.....that's my job.
^^whoa! I wish I had an in house IT for my family!!! haha!
Someone said something about kids have no right to privacy. I disagree. They do. Just not from mom and dad. But they do, as the whole family does, from the school. I think it's connected to the parent's right to privacy. At least that is the angle I would take if I were arguing against the school in court.
...though some states allow children a right to privacy from their parents as well...in terms of access to abortion without parental consent. Or at least I think they do. FYI, I dont' mean to derail this convo by bringing up abortion. It's just, legally, there is no righ to "choice" the entire Roe V. Wade case went the way it did as a matter of a right to PRIVACY.
It would come down to the argument, "Who is raising these children?" If the State is raising them, then you also pay for their food, shelter, clothing, medical, college, provide love and support, and all the rest that comes with it, and I'm out. Otherwsie, shut the *kitten* up".0 -
Wait.....so you're suggesting that parents who check their children's FB accounts, their phone records, look through their rooms just lack trust and respect and are not supportive????I think the lack of trust and respect shown is what makes some people behave the way they do. You can be supportive and helpful without invading someone's privacy, at ANY age. Do that, and when they think they need help or advice they'll seek it.
I'm not saying they're not supportive, but I would say it shows a lack of respect. You said there are no privacy policies in your house - do you let your kids have all your passwords? I doubt it.
Uh, there's a reason the kids don't have the passwords - it's because THEY ARE KIDS.
I allow my kids basic privacy - like changing in the privacy of their room. But in regards to the internet - there is NO SUCH THING AS PRIVACY. Once it's on the internet, it's there forever, no matter how many times they hit the delete key.
It is my JOB as a parent to teach them that (along with other stuff, how to balance a checkbook, how to cook, how to do laundry, etc...).
The kids - their job is to go to school, do their chores and listen to their parents.
Teaching them about the internet not being a private place is very different to having their passwords to look through any parts that ARE more private, though.
Argument for home-schooling, in my eyes, if this becomes a widespread occurrence.0 -
Agreed. And I also agree with it not being okay to get the students' passwords. I just see nothing wrong with asking the students to log on, without forcing them to do it.If you gave the school permission to do something like this, fine. But that's a far cry from the school just deciding it's OK.0 -
Excuse me for being blunt but I told my sons school to fu_ck off and get a warrant.
I then told them if they wanted to see a pissed off nasty facebook posting on that schools administration they better get a warrant for my facebook account.
This is the same school my son was continually bullied, we complained many times (and found out others had about this bully) and finally my kid was cornered. My son had been taking krav maga for 3+ years, no one really knew it and he completely destroyed the bully. Cowardly admins wanted to suspend my son as the agressor until my lawyer walked in with a ton of evidence showing the admins ducked their heads in the sand about this particular child (I am sure it had nothingt o do with it being the grandson of the local mayor). Everything magically went away....
God- I hate nit picking, feel good admins who hew to zero tolerance policy BS so that they dont have to thin or use common sense. When does the pendulum begin to swing back the other way?
duuuude i wish you would have been my dad when i was in highschool! i applaud you sir.
Similar type of thing...though not password related.
I was sent to the principals office and threatened with detention or worse because I said "Jeeze" to my home ec teacher...she flipped out and said I was taking the lords name in vein and sent me to the principals office.
They called my mom...who promptly jumped in the car and came down just to tell them that thanks to seperation of church and state they could go F*** themselves and if they gave me anymore hassle about it she'd have a lawyer with her next time.
I returned to class after that.0 -
This is not America anymore....it's Amerika. Most of us slumbering fools just don't know it yet.0
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Wait.....so you're suggesting that parents who check their children's FB accounts, their phone records, look through their rooms just lack trust and respect and are not supportive????I think the lack of trust and respect shown is what makes some people behave the way they do. You can be supportive and helpful without invading someone's privacy, at ANY age. Do that, and when they think they need help or advice they'll seek it.
I'm not saying they're not supportive, but I would say it shows a lack of respect. You said there are no privacy policies in your house - do you let your kids have all your passwords? I doubt it.
Uh, there's a reason the kids don't have the passwords - it's because THEY ARE KIDS.
I allow my kids basic privacy - like changing in the privacy of their room. But in regards to the internet - there is NO SUCH THING AS PRIVACY. Once it's on the internet, it's there forever, no matter how many times they hit the delete key.
It is my JOB as a parent to teach them that (along with other stuff, how to balance a checkbook, how to cook, how to do laundry, etc...).
The kids - their job is to go to school, do their chores and listen to their parents.
Teaching them about the internet not being a private place is very different to having their passwords to look through any parts that ARE more private, though.
Argument for home-schooling, in my eyes, if this becomes a widespread occurrence.
Nah, not really. you just tell the school to suck it. That's all. If it was a requirement of attendence, then, they go to another school, or home school is an option also. But, what if you just say they don't have facebook, even if they do? That's another option, just lie.0 -
Excuse me for being blunt but I told my sons school to fu_ck off and get a warrant.
I then told them if they wanted to see a pissed off nasty facebook posting on that schools administration they better get a warrant for my facebook account.
This is the same school my son was continually bullied, we complained many times (and found out others had about this bully) and finally my kid was cornered. My son had been taking krav maga for 3+ years, no one really knew it and he completely destroyed the bully. Cowardly admins wanted to suspend my son as the agressor until my lawyer walked in with a ton of evidence showing the admins ducked their heads in the sand about this particular child (I am sure it had nothingt o do with it being the grandson of the local mayor). Everything magically went away....
God- I hate nit picking, feel good admins who hew to zero tolerance policy BS so that they dont have to thin or use common sense. When does the pendulum begin to swing back the other way?
duuuude i wish you would have been my dad when i was in highschool! i applaud you sir.
^^^^This. A hundred times over.0
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