Students forced to give passwords...
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Wait...what???? Children are in school around 8 hours a day. They are with their teachers more often during the week than they are their own parents. You don't think that teachers are helping you raise your children?It would come down to the argument, "Who is raising these children?" If the State is raising them, then you also pay for their food, shelter, clothing, medical, college, provide love and support, and all the rest that comes with it, and I'm out. Otherwsie, shut the *kitten* up".0 -
Wait...what???? Children are in school around 8 hours a day. They are with their teachers more often during the week than they are their own parents. You don't think that teachers are helping you raise your children?It would come down to the argument, "Who is raising these children?" If the State is raising them, then you also pay for their food, shelter, clothing, medical, college, provide love and support, and all the rest that comes with it, and I'm out. Otherwsie, shut the *kitten* up".
No. I don't think they are at all. They are educating them, not raising them.0 -
If my children went to public school they would have been taught very young to remain silent except saying to contact me or my husband and refuse to acknowledge anything else. School officials are not police yet kids feel just as intimidated.0
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Yes, now there's an option. And a mature, teaching moment for your children. Tell the school, who helps raise and educate your child, to "suck it", then lie and have your children lie as well.Nah, not really. you just tell the school to suck it. That's all. If it was a requirement of attendence, then, they go to another school, or home school is an option also. But, what if you just say they don't have facebook, even if they do? That's another option, just lie.0 -
Excuse me for being blunt but I told my sons school to fu_ck off and get a warrant.
I then told them if they wanted to see a pissed off nasty facebook posting on that schools administration they better get a warrant for my facebook account.
This is the same school my son was continually bullied, we complained many times (and found out others had about this bully) and finally my kid was cornered. My son had been taking krav maga for 3+ years, no one really knew it and he completely destroyed the bully. Cowardly admins wanted to suspend my son as the agressor until my lawyer walked in with a ton of evidence showing the admins ducked their heads in the sand about this particular child (I am sure it had nothingt o do with it being the grandson of the local mayor). Everything magically went away....
God- I hate nit picking, feel good admins who hew to zero tolerance policy BS so that they dont have to thin or use common sense. When does the pendulum begin to swing back the other way?
WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU NOT MY BIOLOGICAL FATHER!? Seriously.. I wish there were more people who would take this type of approach.
Luckily I wasn't really bullied very much growing up, if I was the people involved learned a very hard lesson why you shouldn't continue bothering someone.
The schools should focus more on making the schools safer, most of the schools are cutting out programs because they "don't have the money". Some people really need a reality check, I believe there is a special spot for these people.. at the very back of the unemployment line.0 -
I heard from a bird that kids now sign up for facebook not using their real names, and all the students know their "pen" names, or whatever they call them, and that's how they get around all this.
Simple solution.0 -
Teaching them about the internet not being a private place is very different to having their passwords to look through any parts that ARE more private, though.
Argument for home-schooling, in my eyes, if this becomes a widespread occurrence.
Nah, not really. you just tell the school to suck it. That's all. If it was a requirement of attendence, then, they go to another school, or home school is an option also. But, what if you just say they don't have facebook, even if they do? That's another option, just lie.
Not really. You can find out in seconds whether or not someone has a Facebook account, so there's no "I don't use Facebook" lie. You can give the school your opinion, but of they're forcing children to hand over their passwords whilst in school you're not there to say 'enough is enough'0 -
I said, "helping" to raise them. Hopefully, they're doing more than just teaching math, reading, and science. Hopefully they go over manners, social behaviors, making good choices, etc.No. I don't think they are at all. They are educating them, not raising them.0 -
They could kiss my butt I wouldn't be giving them or allowing my child to give up their password, besides disclosing your password is against the TOS on facebook.
ETA: My kids well the oldest one right now..Has a limited expectation of privacy, I allow her to have a computer and cell phone and I do have her passwords, for her safety and do random checks just to see and make sure she isn't involved in anything or talking to anyone that she doesn't know..but I"m her mother I'm suppose to protect her.0 -
Yes, now there's an option. And a mature, teaching moment for your children. Tell the school, who helps raise and educate your child, to "suck it", then lie and have your children lie as well.Nah, not really. you just tell the school to suck it. That's all. If it was a requirement of attendence, then, they go to another school, or home school is an option also. But, what if you just say they don't have facebook, even if they do? That's another option, just lie.
You must be a teacher or admin or something. LOL. All I am saying is I would not tolerate this at all. No, they may not have the password. It's really that simple and no amount of bullying or legislation is going to change my mind about it.0 -
I think its way to far. It is the parent's who need to monitor their kids activity level on social net works. I do not allow my 10 year old to have a facebook.0
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If you let your kid have a facebook page then the school should be able to monitor it, if anything, to try and prevent cyber bullying.0
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Teaching them about the internet not being a private place is very different to having their passwords to look through any parts that ARE more private, though.
Argument for home-schooling, in my eyes, if this becomes a widespread occurrence.
Nah, not really. you just tell the school to suck it. That's all. If it was a requirement of attendence, then, they go to another school, or home school is an option also. But, what if you just say they don't have facebook, even if they do? That's another option, just lie.
Not really. You can find out in seconds whether or not someone has a Facebook account, so there's no "I don't use Facebook" lie. You can give the school your opinion, but of they're forcing children to hand over their passwords whilst in school you're not there to say 'enough is enough'
How? If I sign up as Tom Jones, and show a picture of a flower, and you can't see any detials unless I friend you, how would you know?0 -
A long time ago when I was in high school, we had locker pits and bench railing that encompassed the pits. You weren't allowed to walk on them. I stopped, sat down, and pulled my foot up to TIE MY SHOE. The assistant principal called me in to his office and gave him detention, to which my reply was "Well you will be hearing from my father about this. He doesn't take detention lightly." The assistant principal put it in my permanent file as threatening him. o_O My father asked to see my file because he rightfully thought the whole thing was rediculous and when he saw that entry, almost lost it and threatened to sue for harrassment if it wasn't removed. Needless to say, it was removed and the assistant principal never even looked in my direction again.
Point being made: Not all teachers and principals even have common sense and forget they are dealing with children and teenagers, not criminals and adults. Sad really.0 -
We're agreeing on that point! I'm not in favor of my children giving out their passwords or a school admin to force them to give it.You must be a teacher or admin or something. LOL. All I am saying is I would not tolerate this at all. No, they may not have the password. It's really that simple and no amount of bullying or legislation is going to change my mind about it.
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Why does a 13 year old need a Facebook page? My son is 12 and asked for one and I said NO.
Your child = your choice... the other parent's child = their choice, which in turn = not for you to decide.0 -
If you let your kid have a facebook page then the school should be able to monitor it, if anything, to try and prevent cyber bullying.
You can block people. How would someone bully you online? That's silly.0 -
If public schools are raising childn then cps needs to be called in! If any parent allowed the crap that happens at school they would have their kids yanked. The family is who kids are (or should be) taught is the first priority and if I were to tell my kid to obey me over the school I expect them to obey ME!
Yes, now there's an option. And a mature, teaching moment for your children. Tell the school, who helps raise and educate your child, to "suck it", then lie and have your children lie as well.Nah, not really. you just tell the school to suck it. That's all. If it was a requirement of attendence, then, they go to another school, or home school is an option also. But, what if you just say they don't have facebook, even if they do? That's another option, just lie.0 -
Are the teachers required to turn over their passwords to the school adminstrators? Are those administrators required to provide their passwords to the school district officials? Will parents be required to provide their information because they're friends with their kids on FB and therefore have a connection to the school? Where does it end?0
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Those who would give up freedom for safety deserve neither. It negates the point of me and all my brothers and sisters in arms serving to defend those rights most of civilians take for granted. If your child is being bullied and don't tell you, maybe you need to be asking yourself why your child feels they can't talk to you and not teach them that privacy and freedom must be sacrificed so someone can feel "safe". I was bullied growing up. I learned to defend myself and when I needed help I asked for it.0
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Why would a student want a fake FB with a "pen" name? Unless, perhaps, they're doing something they don't want their teachers and/or parents to see. And what would they be doing that they wouldn't want their teachers/parents to see? Perhaps something not in their best interest.I heard from a bird that kids now sign up for facebook not using their real names, and all the students know their "pen" names, or whatever they call them, and that's how they get around all this.Simple solution.0 -
Those who would give up freedom for safety deserve neither. It negates the point of me and all my brothers and sisters in arms serving to defend those rights most of civilians take for granted. If your child is being bullied and don't tell you, maybe you need to be asking yourself why your child feels they can't talk to you and not teach them that privacy and freedom must be sacrificed so someone can feel "safe". I was bullied growing up. I learned to defend myself and when I needed help I asked for it.
Aaaaaand I love you! The part about your child not being able to tell you, and sacrificing freedom is exactly it!0 -
We are, and I have no problem with it.[/quote]Are the teachers required to turn over their passwords to the school adminstrators?0 -
You lost me here. If any parent allowed what crap to happen?If public schools are raising childn then cps needs to be called in! If any parent allowed the crap that happens at school they would have their kids yanked.
Should be is the key phrase here. I agree with you.........if a teacher is telling my child to do something I do not approve of, I would expect my child to obey me. Agreed!The family is who kids are (or should be) taught is the first priority and if I were to tell my kid to obey me over the school I expect them to obey ME!0 -
It's one thing to ask to look at someone's page (if they have it protected) but another thing ENTIRELY to ask for their PASSWORD, which would also give access to private e-mails and chat logs. That's completely inappropriate.
IT PROVIDES ACCESS INTO THEIR FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND LOTS OF OTHER STUFF. THE ANSWER IS NO!
If I know anyone that does that, I'll delete them out of my friends list, I don't want some school admins snooping around my stuff.
That's also a good point, that accessing the login of a child's facebook page would also provide access to their friends' and families' privated updates. I didn't think of that. Heck, in a small town, if you have just 100 kid's facebook logins, you could end up with access to the private status updates of half the town!0 -
We are talking about children here!Those who would give up freedom for safety deserve neither.0 -
Could this be part of bigger problem in society, though? It's sad to me that parents, schools, and churches can't join forces in raising children. What about the children who have no real supervision or guidance at home? For many children, no one is raising them.Schools are responsible for educating our children. Not raising them.
The teacher or educational system may not share the same values as I do, so for me I would rather the school not help raise my children. Sure, there are some universal ethics which most people agree on. However, there are even more grey areas where people have differing opinions.0 -
Ha! That could get messy!That's also a good point, that accessing the login of a child's facebook page would also provide access to their friends' and families' privated updates. I didn't think of that. Heck, in a small town, if you have just 100 kid's facebook logins, you could end up with access to the private status updates of half the town!0 -
Agreed. And I also agree with it not being okay to get the students' passwords. I just see nothing wrong with asking the students to log on, without forcing them to do it.
I am curious to know in what instance you would ask a student to log into their FB account so you can look at something. Is it because they have brought something to your attention or because you heard something about them and want to investigate?0 -
It can be both. Sometimes they're bringing something to our attention about something they saw on FB. So, we'll ask them to log on and show us. It could also be that someone brought something to our attention about them, and we've called them in about it. Sometimes parents bring things to our attention because they have their son's password or were looking at their wall. It can vary. But, let's say we're suspicious of one of the students doing drugs. We wouldn't just call him in and say, "Log on your FB so we can see what you're doing". It's usually when we're made aware of something said or happening on FB. And boys are dumb....they'll post pics of themsevles doing stuff they know will get them in trouble. We can easily monitor FB without needing them to log on, and we do that on a regular basis.I am curious to know in what instance you would ask a student to log into their FB account so you can look at something. Is it because they have brought something to your attention or because you heard something about them and want to investigate?0
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