Students forced to give passwords...
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The name of the school makes it sound like a public school, which is funded by the government. Time to introduce your kids to the US Constitution and the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments. Private organizations are not so bound.
* Amendment 1 - people have the freedom of speech and press - they can express their opinions.
* Amendment 4 - people may be secure in their houses, papers and persons.
* Amendment 5 - people have the right to not incriminate themselves.
They are not required to divulge the password (protected by 5th amendment as of this writing - subject to change later this year). I would ask the principal for a copy of his warrant.
In searching the Internet, I see this is becoming a common occurence. I think the best policy is for your kids to say nothing except to request the presence of their parents. Be polite, but say nothing except to request the presence of their parents.
I'm sorry this happened to you.
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I would guess these are parents who don't monitor computer or smart phone use very well! Or these are kids who are always at a friend's house and using a friend's computer with no supervision or monitoring.I was talking about a 13 year old in this case, most 13 year olds have them and many parents don't know they do.
Very true! It's amazing how parents at their friend's house reaaly don't watch what's going on.
Also regarding cellphones. I know at high schools kids can go the phone guy and get a prepaid cellphone no problem. The phone guy use to be the concert ticket guy. lol
Sorry, I know this is a serious topic; but this comment made me instantly think of Damone from Fast Times @ Ridgemont High, LOL!0 -
No....we strayed from the OP and got on to other issues. My recent comments ahve nothing to do with the OP. And if you followed along correctly, you'd see that my most recent comment that you replied to was actually to a grandmother speaking about her own grandchildren. I wouldn't insult you by saying you lack common sense, but you sure don't know how to follow a thread. If you want to debate in one, you should really keep up with the discussion.Considering that the mother is involved in this case, clearly the kid has a parent who cares. If the school thinks the parents are neglecting or abusing their children or out all night doing drugs, the school should be calling child protective services, not demanding the kid give up a password the school has no right to.
Sometimes I wonder if you possess a lick of common sense. Seriously.0 -
Well, my daughter is 10 and begs for one. We won't let her until middle school. I don't think there's "a good chance she has one" that I don't know about. She has no access to a computer at home, she has a non-smart cell phone that she only uses when I let her, and she doesn't have access to FB at school. Not sure how else she'd have one. My 12 year old son has one that only I know the password to (he doesn't even know it). He uses it in front of me only. I'm quite sure he doesn't have a secret one elsewhere because he's got no access.You may think they don't have one, good chance they do!
Do you realize your 12 year old had to lie about their age to open the FB account? Terms of service require age of 13.0 -
Hell no!! Even kids have a right to privacy!0
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LOL, great reference. But that's it, schools have that guy who can get them cellphones.
I would guess these are parents who don't monitor computer or smart phone use very well! Or these are kids who are always at a friend's house and using a friend's computer with no supervision or monitoring.I was talking about a 13 year old in this case, most 13 year olds have them and many parents don't know they do.
Very true! It's amazing how parents at their friend's house reaaly don't watch what's going on.
Also regarding cellphones. I know at high schools kids can go the phone guy and get a prepaid cellphone no problem. The phone guy use to be the concert ticket guy. lol
Sorry, I know this is a serious topic; but this comment made me instantly think of Damone from Fast Times @ Ridgemont High, LOL!0 -
He's autistic and it was recommended by his support group. He and other autistic friends at his school have one so they can learn to "cyper socialize" (that's one of their struggles). We contacted FB about it to find out the issues because of the TOS. Because they don't have their own passwords and can only use it with parents, we did it. I can't really tell tone of your comment, so I don't know if you're being snarky. I hope you were just asking a question.Do you realize your 12 year old had to lie about their age to open the FB account? Terms of service require age of 13. 0 -
My opinion? Kids under 18 don't need a facebook. They're too young. And yeah, my 13 year old 7th grader doesn't have one, either.
But at 16 1/2 kids can get a permit and before the age of 18 have a drivers license? We can trust them in a car on the roads driving but not having the use of facebook? I would be more worried about the actual activities the kid is doing in real life rather than the postings they are making about them.0 -
He's autistic and it was recommended by his support group. He and other autistic friends at his school have one so they can learn to "cyper socialize" (that's one of their struggles). We contacted FB about it to find out the issues because of the TOS. Because they don't have their own passwords and can only use it with parents, we did it. I can't really tell tone of your comment, so I don't know if you're being snarky. I hope you were just asking a question.Do you realize your 12 year old had to lie about their age to open the FB account? Terms of service require age of 13.
Just asking the question. I think it's a good idea in this case.0 -
And for the parents who don't think it's ok for a parent to invade the privacy of your kid's facebook account or cellphone! Who pays for internet? Who pays for the cellphone?0
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Sorry, I know this is a serious topic; but this comment made me instantly think of Damone from Fast Times @ Ridgemont High, LOL!
Are we showing our age if we got this reference? If so, then I have no idea what you're talking about.LOL, great reference. But that's it, schools have that guy who can get them cellphones.
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:drinker:And for the parents who don't think it's ok for a parent to invade the privacy of your kid's facebook account or cellphone! Who pays for internet? Who pays for the cellphone?0 -
Sorry, I know this is a serious topic; but this comment made me instantly think of Damone from Fast Times @ Ridgemont High, LOL!
Are we showing our age if we got this reference? If so, then I have no idea what you're talking about.LOL, great reference. But that's it, schools have that guy who can get them cellphones.
So you don't know Mr. Hand then? lol0 -
And for the parents who don't think it's ok for a parent to invade the privacy of your kid's facebook account or cellphone! Who pays for internet? Who pays for the cellphone?
The person making the decision, surely? If I WERE paying and made the decision NOT to snoop, that's fine. It's not like I'd HAVE to go peering into someone's private life just because I'm paying for the device used to access Facebook.0 -
It's really fascinating to see how differently they can socialize online than they can in person. They're still socially awkward compared to how other middle school kids communicate on FB, but at least we're helping them get there.Just asking the question. I think it's a good idea in this case.0 -
No clue. And I've never been inspired to have pizza delivered to my classroom........So you don't know Mr. Hand then? lol0 -
No clue. And I've never been inspired to have pizza delivered to my classroom........So you don't know Mr. Hand then? lol
Really? I think you need some tasty waves...0 -
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We are, and I have no problem with it.Are the teachers required to turn over their passwords to the school adminstrators?
Then you are a sheep slowly eroding the freedoms and civil liberties better men and women then you have spent hundreds of years protecting! The state and thus the school system (public or private) has no right to invade or subjugate my civil liberties. You giving up your right to privacy is one step in a huge snowball that Americans have been accepting for years.0 -
No clue. And I've never been inspired to have pizza delivered to my classroom........So you don't know Mr. Hand then? lol
Really? I think you need some tasty waves...
You're still too young, must have watched it as a teen. THe movie is sort of cult classic. 0 -
No clue. And I've never been inspired to have pizza delivered to my classroom........So you don't know Mr. Hand then? lol
Really? I think you need some tasty waves...
You're still too young, must have watched it as a teen. THe movie is sort of cult classic.
"Too young"...you, sir, are my new best friend, LOL!0 -
And for the parents who don't think it's ok for a parent to invade the privacy of your kid's facebook account or cellphone! Who pays for internet? Who pays for the cellphone?
The person making the decision, surely? If I WERE paying and made the decision NOT to snoop, that's fine. It's not like I'd HAVE to go peering into someone's private life just because I'm paying for the device used to access Facebook.
No, you don't have to snoop, that is fine. But there is nothing wrong snooping either. Many teens have been saved before it was too late from bad things they were into because of stuff found on their Facebook page. Just saying.....0 -
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.Really? I think you need some tasty waves...0 -
We were having a similar situation in Oregon. Job employers were requesting facebook passwords to look at potential employee's private facebook pages. There was a big blowout where Facebook threatened to take legal action because giving out passwords were against their terms of agreement. Its ridiculous.
I would flip the heck out if anyone over here tried that. Though they are trying other ways of getting around it - apparently the company that I work for have actually employed people to try and snoop in on their employees facebook pages to see if they're badmouthing the company etc etc and another fellow employee from my place got told, by our boss, that he was going to create a fb account to try and do the same. I get their motives but I believe that it takes it too far. Not to mention it's pointless in practicality in that I have my things set so that only my friends can see my posts etc, not everyone or friends of friends and I only add people I know anyway, so even if my boss did make an account, he couldn't see anything other than me wishing a fellow employee happy birthday from many months ago that I made public when testing out my settings. The whole thing in itself is even more pointless when you consider the fact that searching the company name along with "reviews" etc brings up plenty of awful reviews on it - from other customers no-less. The damage is already done to it's reputation, so what difference does an employee ranting about a stressful day at work (management-related or not, maybe they just got a bunch of awful customers that day) make in the long-run, honestly?
I disagree with the whole snooping things with kids though. Again, I can understand somewhat why, safety and all that, but as a kid, even when I was just looking up regular stuff that a kid does, playing on game sites like neopets etc, my dad used to go through my internet history and randomally delete it all/my cookies/passwords etc so it'd be anew for when I next went on the computer - it damaged my trust in him from an early age that I couldn't do anything without him feeling the need to spy on me. And then when I learned how to do it myself, I started doing the same thing even when just visiting my normal sites or if i did happen to be looking up something potentially dodgy (usually something a friend had mentioned, that I then wondered what the heck they were on about etc), which soon put a stop to him doing it - children can be very good at hiding things once they learn how to, if they really feel the need to.0 -
And for the parents who don't think it's ok for a parent to invade the privacy of your kid's facebook account or cellphone! Who pays for internet? Who pays for the cellphone?
The person making the decision, surely? If I WERE paying and made the decision NOT to snoop, that's fine. It's not like I'd HAVE to go peering into someone's private life just because I'm paying for the device used to access Facebook.
No, you don't have to snoop, that is fine. But there is nothing wrong snooping either. Many teens have been saved before it was too late from bad things they were into because of stuff found on their Facebook page. Just saying.....
But what right does this give schools to go snooping? A block on using Facebook in school, fine, but Facebook isn't a school's property. It's on a par with 'let me have your bank statements so I can see what you've been buying'. Yes, that information is out there and available - people can see your purchases and you may not have purchased anything incriminating, but would you hand over all your statements?0 -
LOL. Yes, the fact that I work in a high school and find FB a means of open communication with students, and provide my administrators with my password so they can then ensure the safety of the students, I am a sheep. I work at a Catholic school, so I could get into how being a sheep is not a bad thing as you intended, but that would totally derail the thread and I'm already doing that with Spicoli and Mr. Hand references. But, thanks for playing.Then you are a sheep slowly eroding the freedoms and civil liberties better men and women then you have spent hundreds of years protecting!0 -
And for the parents who don't think it's ok for a parent to invade the privacy of your kid's facebook account or cellphone! Who pays for internet? Who pays for the cellphone?
The person making the decision, surely? If I WERE paying and made the decision NOT to snoop, that's fine. It's not like I'd HAVE to go peering into someone's private life just because I'm paying for the device used to access Facebook.
No, you don't have to snoop, that is fine. But there is nothing wrong snooping either. Many teens have been saved before it was too late from bad things they were into because of stuff found on their Facebook page. Just saying.....
But what right does this give schools to go snooping? A block on using Facebook in school, fine, but Facebook isn't a school's property. It's on a par with 'let me have your bank statements so I can see what you've been buying'. Yes, that information is out there and available - people can see your purchases and you may not have purchased anything incriminating, but would you hand over all your statements?
Don't get me wrong, my initial post about snooping is for parents snooping. No way in hell does a school have the right to do this or take a kids cellphone and snoop.
I do believe that schools should use cellphone signal blockers inside the school so that kids can not use a cellphone during school.0 -
Don't get me wrong, my initial post about snooping is for parents snooping. No way in hell does a school have the right to do this or take a kids cellphone and snoop.
I see. Apologies. I got sidetracked, I think. Too many conversations at once, in this thread. :flowerforyou:0 -
But what it's going to take time for everyone to realize is that FB is an integral part of how teens socialize now. Someone has to help guide them in what's appropriate and what is not. For example, high school boys posting pics of themselves drinking alcohol might think it's funny or cool. It will take an adult to monitor that to have a discussion on the dangers of doing that. Who is going to be responsible for teaching students the responsible use of social media? Parents who don't even understand it? I realize many are coming from the viewpoint that schools are doing it to be nosy, but maybe it's to guide, teach, and regulate.But what right does this give schools to go snooping? A block on using Facebook in school, fine, but Facebook isn't a school's property. It's on a par with 'let me have your bank statements so I can see what you've been buying'. Yes, that information is out there and available - people can see your purchases and you may not have purchased anything incriminating, but would you hand over all your statements?0 -
But what it's going to take time for everyone to realize is that FB is an integral part of how teens socialize now. Someone has to help guide them in what's appropriate and what is not. For example, high school boys posting pics of themselves drinking alcohol might think it's funny or cool. It will take an adult to monitor that to have a discussion on the dangers of doing that. Who is going to be responsible for teaching students the responsible use of social media? Parents who don't even understand it? I realize many are coming from the viewpoint that schools are doing it to be nosy, but maybe it's to guide, teach, and regulate.But what right does this give schools to go snooping? A block on using Facebook in school, fine, but Facebook isn't a school's property. It's on a par with 'let me have your bank statements so I can see what you've been buying'. Yes, that information is out there and available - people can see your purchases and you may not have purchased anything incriminating, but would you hand over all your statements?
Excellent example. I don't how many Facebook photos of teens I see with them drinking. DOn't even get me started with the teen girls and how much they will show in their pics.
As far as teaching parents, that is exactly how I got into doing seminars at high schools, to teach the parents. 0 -
But what it's going to take time for everyone to realize is that FB is an integral part of how teens socialize now. Someone has to help guide them in what's appropriate and what is not. For example, high school boys posting pics of themselves drinking alcohol might think it's funny or cool. It will take an adult to monitor that to have a discussion on the dangers of doing that. Who is going to be responsible for teaching students the responsible use of social media? Parents who don't even understand it? I realize many are coming from the viewpoint that schools are doing it to be nosy, but maybe it's to guide, teach, and regulate.But what right does this give schools to go snooping? A block on using Facebook in school, fine, but Facebook isn't a school's property. It's on a par with 'let me have your bank statements so I can see what you've been buying'. Yes, that information is out there and available - people can see your purchases and you may not have purchased anything incriminating, but would you hand over all your statements?
Teaching them does not require going on to their pages and using their password. What happened to conversation?
My fiance isn't great with money. I don't guide him to good financial control by accessing his bank account and limiting what he can spend, and where, reading his statements and keeping a record of everything he buys. What happened to explaining what's a good idea and what isn't, to sitting down and discussing potential risks and problems?
Schools should NOT be regulating Facebook use, aside from whether or not it can be accessed in school. As I've said before, it's no different to going to a park and standing watching the children/teenagers there, in case they light a cigarette or start a fight.0
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