everyne says " eat more to loose weight " bs ??
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99% of the people on this site are no way near eating to their TDEE. Once they calculate their TDEE they still won't eat close to it, because they think they will get fat. What they don't understand is that the body is going to normalize at a weight.
However, people panic and they continue down the path of a suppressed metabolism. They then wonder why they don't make any more progress. The goal should be to consume AS much calories as possible, while reaching a healthy fat loss goal.
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Exactly. Even though I eat whatever I want, I tend to stick to the nutrient dense foods, because of the reasons above. At least one of my meals is always waffles or pop tarts.but every time I splurge a little like last night...few slices of pizza and 4 chicken wings and 1 beer...up 2 pounds the next day...
Your "splurge" was all high sodium and your 2lbs was mostly water weight. Drink 10 glasses of water today and you'll pee it all out by tomorrow night.
If you increase your calories with nutrient dense greens/vegetables and lean proteins/healthy fats you'll find that you can eat a LOT more than two slices of pizza and 4 chicken wings (mightily fatty) and not gain weight.
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that gain is nothing, it happens to me all the time and is soon gone, your doing a hell of alot of exercise and should be eating more to fuel it and you will lose weight. However if your a absolute sloth, cutting cals is the way to go. :laugh:0
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spot on
Exactly. Even though I eat whatever I want, I tend to stick to the nutrient dense foods, because of the reasons above. At least one of my meals is always waffles or pop tarts.but every time I splurge a little like last night...few slices of pizza and 4 chicken wings and 1 beer...up 2 pounds the next day...
Your "splurge" was all high sodium and your 2lbs was mostly water weight. Drink 10 glasses of water today and you'll pee it all out by tomorrow night.
If you increase your calories with nutrient dense greens/vegetables and lean proteins/healthy fats you'll find that you can eat a LOT more than two slices of pizza and 4 chicken wings (mightily fatty) and not gain weight.0 -
This is incorrect. 99% of the people on this site are no way near eating to their TDEE. Once they calculate their TDEE they still won't eat close to it, because they think they will get fat. What they don't understand is that the body is going to normalize at a weight.I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
However, people panic and they continue down the path of a suppressed metabolism. They then wonder why they don't make any more progress. The goal should be to consume AS much calories as possible, while reaching a healthy fat loss goal.
^This x100The difference is, WHAT you are eating.
I can eat as many calories as I do because of what I choose to eat:
99% lean ground turkey....boiled/grilled chicken (no marinades), cups and cups of veggies, brown rice, egg whites etc.
I am eating like 30g fat MAX a day, and thats a BAD day for me.
150+ g clean proteins
40g CLEAN carbs.
Fat is not the enemy, granted I eat more calories than you but I consume at least 120g of fat daily, eating good fat is good for you0 -
Hey invisabubble get a grip will ya..im typing on a cell phone that has keys made for a 5 yr old girl and my fingers are not that small...if you have nothing good to offer just pass it by will ya....
And AGAIN I KNOW that my 2 pounds was NOT fat...I am just trying to say I have tried the eating more to loose and it doesnt work FOR ME...Im am NOT JUST GOING BY YESTERDAY.......
Now I dont log in my diet because as I said I eat the same things week after week....oatmeal 1/4 cup for breakfast EVERY DAY....large salad with romaine,cucks,tomatoes,onion,mushrooms, 1 tbs of virgin olive oil, vinegar, a few croutons, a very little low moisture part skim shreaded cheese, then either a few shrimp, 3 oz of turkey or chicken, salmon, etc on the salad...for a snack a handfull of cashews...then nothing until dinner,,,,usually fish on the grill, refried bean ( home made ) tacos, turkey, chicken, lean beef maybe twice a month...water to drink....then a glass of red wine 5 oz after supper and some low fat Ritz crackers ( 8 or 10 ) then 1 time a week usually Friday a Skinny Cow ice cream sandwich..
I eat sushi ( salmon and tuna ) once a week NO rice... I dont eat bread, I do eat a few pretzles in place of the Ritz crackers sometimes.....0 -
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A little less cardio, a little more weight bearing exercise is probably all you need to change. For 53, your weight and lab numbers are good. Your diet sounds pretty healthy overall even with the occasional pizza, which is not necessarily to be considered junk food imo if eaten in moderation. My recommendation would be to go to a TDEE calculator and plug in your numbers and and compare that with what you've been doing.0
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It works. I swear.0
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lab numbers are GREAT not good
My Dr told me he has never seen 120 HDL in a 53 yr old man....but I know what you are saying..is there a calculator for the TDEE anywhere that makes it simple ?0 -
Ok I found 2 different ones they both say my TDEE is around 2780...and it says if I eat LESS than that I WILL loose weight...this is what im saying doesnt work for me...Because I am NOT eating 2700 a day and im not loosing weight.0
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Ok I found 2 different ones they both say my TDEE is around 2780...and it says if I eat LESS than that I WILL loose weight...this is what im saying doesnt work for me...Because I am NOT eating 2700 a day and im not loosing weight.
If you eat under your TDEE for prolonged periods you will lose weight. You have to.
However, TDEE estimation tools are exactly that -- estimations. What this means, is that you are either eating more than you think, or your TDEE is less than you think, or a combination of both.0 -
All I know, is I started eating more and I got to this:
I already started losing weight eating hardly anything and then started eating more to get to the picture on the left.
It Works. Find the group, find out what it's all about.
I've convinced hundreds of people to start eating more then what they were and they were 'convinced' they would get fat and that they will 'keep gaining if they eat that much'. They initially gained weight for a week or so, and then they lost...and kept losing Haven't had a soul come back for vengeance yet. 0 -
thats my point...it and you say "if you eat under your TDEE you WILL loose weight" but others here say,,,"eat more to loose weight" I can tell you for 100% sure I eat UNDER 2800 cals a day EVERY day and I am staying the same...I mix my work outs too..
Monday...Tabata on the bike indoors or sprint outdoors...then upper body dumbell lifts, 3 sets of 20 reps
Tuesday..Bike at a fast pace outdoors for min 70 minutes at aprox 17 to 19 mph hills and flats
Wednesday...run 5 miles in 40 minutes....weights
Thursday...Tabata and weights..
Friday,,,,Bike 70 mins
Saturday ...Run 5 miles and weights
Sunday....Bike 70 minutes
Now winter is here on nasty days I cross country ski aprox an hour, shovel snow and do a 1 mile run...this is in one day...then the next I will either run or do Tabata and weights....so you get the idea...I also am very active around the house always working...bed at 10pm up at 6 am0 -
this eat more, lose more thing...now i have no idea if this is true or not, but I was stuck at 180 forever, like since blasted June. I would get under 180 and then poof right up to 188 or something, it was bloody discouraging. I was at a 1200 calorie limit, feeling bad if I went over it, then whenever I did, i would gain weight, so then I would eat less to no avail. I finally decided, I don't care..i'm going to try eating more and see if it makes a difference...so I raised my calories allowance up to 1500, still wonderful for a slower weight loss by traditional explanations. a month of that and poof, finally got under my 180. I hover now between 175 to 180 and that was over Christmas. So on my own experience, it did work...took about a month and i still feel guilty if i go over the 1500 now, but I look at it as an average and in a week if i am over instead of under I look at it as shocking my lazy metabolism into working again.auddi, did someone pee in your Wheaties ? I wasnt having a "temper tantrum" I was just stating that I HAVE tried the eating more and it doesn't work for me...everytime I try it I gain !!!! I wasnt JUST basing it on last nights bing......0 -
I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
This. It really comes down to calories in and out. Eating over your TDEE is not going to get you where you need to be. Also, I don't of many fat anorexics (though I"m not advocating developing anorexia), so yeah, eating less will get you thin, period.0 -
thats my point...it and you say "if you eat under your TDEE you WILL loose weight" but others here say,,,"eat more to loose weight" I can tell you for 100% sure I eat UNDER 2800 cals a day EVERY day and I am staying the same...I mix my work outs too..
Monday...Tabata on the bike indoors or sprint outdoors...then upper body dumbell lifts, 3 sets of 20 reps
Tuesday..Bike at a fast pace outdoors for min 70 minutes at aprox 17 to 19 mph hills and flats
Wednesday...run 5 miles in 40 minutes....weights
Thursday...Tabata and weights..
Friday,,,,Bike 70 mins
Saturday ...Run 5 miles and weights
Sunday....Bike 70 minutes
Now winter is here on nasty days I cross country ski aprox an hour, shovel snow and do a 1 mile run...this is in one day...then the next I will either run or do Tabata and weights....so you get the idea...I also am very active around the house always working...bed at 10pm up at 6 am
You either
a) are not measuring foods accurately
b) are over estimating your exercise burns
c) over estimating your TDEE
d) are doing something to make you gain water weight
e) have a metabolic disease.
f) have some food intolerences
g) you're using the wrong equations that are not appropriate to you
If you can't lose eating less then your TDEE and you're estimations are as accurate as possible (you can have your RMR read by your doctor btw to get a more accurate estimation of your TDEE), then I would suggest seeing a medical doctor.0 -
I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
This. It really comes down to calories in and out. Eating over your TDEE is not going to get you where you need to be. Also, I don't of many fat anorexics (though I"m not advocating developing anorexia), so yeah, eating less will get you thin, period.
Nobody here is saying you should eat over your estimated TDEE. They are implying they will continuously gain weight eating below their daily energy expenditure.0 -
auddi, did someone pee in your Wheaties ? I wasnt having a "temper tantrum" I was just stating that I HAVE tried the eating more and it doesnt work for me...everytime I try it I gain !!!! I wasnt JUST basing it on last nights bing......
ummmmm....chill...you're the one all over-excited.
As a 5'8" male you are far underweight at 140.
Gain a few solid pounds...
or seek help for an eating disorder...
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Then that needs to be made clear, because perhaps this person is eating at TDEE and then thinking they should eat more. That's why telling people to eat more doesn't work for everyone. Plus, I really don't believe in starvation mode.0
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If you are eating less than maintenance (TDEE) and not losing, then that is not your TDEE. You need to work out your TDEE first before you can deduct your deficit.
Only way to work out your correct maintenance will be trial and error. Don't rely on a computer calculation.0 -
uh,,,,yea ok.....Ill file that comment about my eating disorder0
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I go to my Dr on a regular basis...he does ALL the apro. tests labs, stress test, ekg, echo....no issues...so I would guess I dont have a metobolic disease0
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You don't have metabolic disease. What are you current macros (Protein, Carb, Fat)?I go to my Dr on a regular basis...he does ALL the apro. tests labs, stress test, ekg, echo....no issues...so I would guess I dont have a metobolic disease0 -
How long have you given it each time you increased your calories before determining that it does not work? The reason I ask is that there is a period of 'stabilization' that you need to go through.
Also, if you are maintaining on significantly lower calories than the online calculators are telling you then there is two basic reasons for that:
1 - you are eating more than you think
2 - your metabolism is lower than average, which could be due to a number of reasons, one of which is that it is suppressed due to a long time on a large deficit. (Or your activity levels are being overestimated).
ETA: sorry if I have missed it, but what are the gross calories you are maintaining on now?0 -
Have you watched these videos on youtube? Jayme explains the "eat more to weigh less" idea much better than I've ever heard anyone explain it.
Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Iw1thBlLA&list=PLVwQ7YhTZN0Lc7UEIllW_asNTNVcS71F3
Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypygfB3wKVs&list=PLVwQ7YhTZN0Lc7UEIllW_asNTNVcS71F3
Thank you for the information.0 -
When I started here I weighed myself every day for 4 weeks in the morning after going to the loo (i.e. as close conditions as possible) to gauge my average weight fluctuations - about +/- 3 pounds. Anyway...
1) See if changing your exercise routine has any effect (or even taking a week off) - your body may have become accustomed to it and a couple of changes might have an impact.
2) Try eating at maintenance for a week, calorie cycling, or carb cycling - it may be enough to begin to see losses again when you switch back.
3) Compare progress photos to 4 weeks before (or take a photo today and one in 4 weeks) - see if the scale and tape measure are currently unreliable for measuring short-term progress.
N.B. I don't know if any of the things my suggestions are based on are just conjecture or have been proven to occur.0 -
To add to point 2.How long have you given it each time you increased your calories before determining that it does not work? The reason I ask is that there is a period of 'stabilization' that you need to go through.
Also, if you are maintaining on significantly lower calories than the online calculators are telling you then there is two basic reasons for that:
1 - you are eating more than you think
2 - your metabolism is lower than average, which could be due to a number of reasons, one of which is that it is suppressed due to a long time on a large deficit.
That will require a plan in itself to get out of. Instantly shoving ones face with food will not work.0 -
At some point is is total BS.
The key is finding your zone to lose 1 pound of weight per week.
Too many daft crash dieters are self-sabotaging with extreme diets that usually fail in the end.
Eat More To Lose simply means eat right, create a slight deficit and give yourself time.
Don't stifle your metabolism with some absurd crash diet.
This is not a race.0 -
Yup. People should go read/watch Layne Norton discuss the subject.
This is incorrect. 99% of the people on this site are no way near eating to their TDEE. Once they calculate their TDEE they still won't eat close to it, because they think they will get fat. What they don't understand is that the body is going to normalize at a weight.I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
However, people panic and they continue down the path of a suppressed metabolism. They then wonder why they don't make any more progress. The goal should be to consume AS much calories as possible, while reaching a healthy fat loss goal.
I was thoroughly miserable when I attempted to eating too little so I don't see how people can do it. Having no energy, being easily agitated etc was no way to live.0
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