everyne says " eat more to loose weight " bs ??
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dont know what my macros are ??? But go look at my diary..again I pretty much eat the same thing every day/week....I am a creature of habit...
I eat pretty low carb diet, the fat I eat is in the olive oil and nuts...salmon...I dont eat butter or that type of fat...when I have tried eating more I only did it for a few day...0 -
We need to see a week of constant logging. As of right now, I don't see anything.dont know what my macros are ??? But go look at my diary..again I pretty much eat the same thing every day/week....I am a creature of habit...
I eat pretty low carb diet, the fat I eat is in the olive oil and nuts...salmon...I dont eat butter or that type of fat...when I have tried eating more I only did it for a few day...0 -
It never fails.
Yup. People should go read/watch Layne Norton discuss the subject.
This is incorrect. 99% of the people on this site are no way near eating to their TDEE. Once they calculate their TDEE they still won't eat close to it, because they think they will get fat. What they don't understand is that the body is going to normalize at a weight.I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
However, people panic and they continue down the path of a suppressed metabolism. They then wonder why they don't make any more progress. The goal should be to consume AS much calories as possible, while reaching a healthy fat loss goal.
I was thoroughly miserable when I attempted to eating too little so I don't see how people can do it. Having no energy, being easily agitated etc was no way to live.
January produces a herd of crash dieters who usually wash out by March.
It usually just does not work.
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This should be required viewing before being able to post questions on MFP.
Yup. People should go read/watch Layne Norton discuss the subject.
This is incorrect. 99% of the people on this site are no way near eating to their TDEE. Once they calculate their TDEE they still won't eat close to it, because they think they will get fat. What they don't understand is that the body is going to normalize at a weight.I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
However, people panic and they continue down the path of a suppressed metabolism. They then wonder why they don't make any more progress. The goal should be to consume AS much calories as possible, while reaching a healthy fat loss goal.
I was thoroughly miserable when I attempted to eating too little so I don't see how people can do it. Having no energy, being easily agitated etc was no way to live.
Layne Nortan - Metabolic Damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHzie6XRGk&noredirect=1 0 -
Also, since I upped my calories, my workouts are WAY easier... I wasn't going super low on my calories either... I made less than a 400 calorie change, and went to the recommended, which I thought was to high. This was partly because I was being told to eat back my work out calories. I am now telling you, eat back your workout calories. They are necessary. I just upped my calorie intake shortly before I got the flu, and then re-upped it to where it is now. It is set for me to lose 2 lbs per week. I do not want to lose more than that (though, right now I am). I am going to let my body get used to this calorie intake for 2 or 3 weeks more, and then I may up my calorie intake to the recommended for 1 lb per week... I will see. Energy is much higher now.0
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I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
This. It really comes down to calories in and out. Eating over your TDEE is not going to get you where you need to be. Also, I don't of many fat anormexics (though I"m not advocating developing anorexia), so yeah, eating less will get you thin, period.
No one said to eat over your TDEE. You obviously didn't read anything.0 -
check out the week of Aug 6th...again I stopped logging daily because week by week I pretty much eat the same exact thing and work out the same....0
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I've read your comments in your previous threads. You mention that people in your life are concerned you're too thin. It also sounds like you have an unhealthy relationship with the scale as well. I really think you should be more concerned about seeing a professional to help you, rather than with the answer to this thread.0
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I'm amazed you have energy! Your net calories are very low (1000 or less). Good luck with your eating and hopefully you can find the answers your looking for.check out the week of Aug 6th...again I stopped logging daily because week by week I pretty much eat the same exact thing and work out the same....0
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Then that needs to be made clear, because perhaps this person is eating at TDEE and then thinking they should eat more. That's why telling people to eat more doesn't work for everyone. Plus, I really don't believe in starvation mode.
Yeah, people who are doing EM2WL don't go around telling everyone to eat over their TDEE, they tell people to check out the group which defines what it is or they tell the person how it works. It's the people who don't know what it is who don't read threads fully and don't read the definitions that make comments like the ones in this thread.0 -
^^^^^^^I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
This. It really comes down to calories in and out. Eating over your TDEE is not going to get you where you need to be. Also, I don't of many fat anormexics (though I"m not advocating developing anorexia), so yeah, eating less will get you thin, period.
No one said to eat over your TDEE. You obviously didn't read anything.
Well Said
Let's not start making things up.
Nobody credible ever advocated eating above TDEE to lose weight.
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check out the week of Aug 6th...again I stopped logging daily because week by week I pretty much eat the same exact thing and work out the same....
Week of August 6 = too few calories for your activity level. My estimate of your TDEE requirements are around 2,500 minimum if I guestimated your calorie expenditure correctly. And yes, your numbers are great, not good. Seems I always get in trouble using the wrong adjectives on this forum. lol. I wish you would post pics because I can't for the life of me understand why you are even worried about losing weight or even maintaining your current weight. Your current BMI is 21, which is low to mid normal for you. You could probably stand to gain a pound or two and I mean that in the nicest way, but you definitely don't need to lose.
Start logging again just to get a good grasp on your numbers, and get a HMR to see what you are actually burning during exercise. The only way to know what works for you is to know your numbers.0 -
^^^^^^^How long have you given it each time you increased your calories before determining that it does not work? The reason I ask is that there is a period of 'stabilization' that you need to go through.
Also, if you are maintaining on significantly lower calories than the online calculators are telling you then there is two basic reasons for that:
1 - you are eating more than you think
2 - your metabolism is lower than average, which could be due to a number of reasons, one of which is that it is suppressed due to a long time on a large deficit. (Or your activity levels are being overestimated).
ETA: sorry if I have missed it, but what are the gross calories you are maintaining on now?
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check out the week of Aug 6th...again I stopped logging daily because week by week I pretty much eat the same exact thing and work out the same....
Week of August 6 = too few calories for your activity level. My estimate of your TDEE requirements are around 2,500 minimum if I guestimated your calorie expenditure correctly. And yes, your numbers are great, not good. Seems I always get in trouble using the wrong adjectives on this forum. lol. I wish you would post pics because I can't for the life of me understand why you are even worried about losing weight or even maintaining your current weight. Your current BMI is 21, which is low to mid normal for you. You could probably stand to gain a pound or two and I mean that in the nicest way, but you definitely don't need to lose.
Start logging again just to get a good grasp on your numbers, and get a HMR to see what you are actually burning during exercise. The only way to know what works for you is to know your numbers.
This - looking at Aug 6, you are eating much too little for your level of activity. You are a 53 year old bloke, not a 18-year old girl, so, honestly, you should know better. I eat more than you and lose weight and I am a 44 year old woman going through menopause.0 -
Then that needs to be made clear, because perhaps this person is eating at TDEE and then thinking they should eat more. That's why telling people to eat more doesn't work for everyone. Plus, I really don't believe in starvation mode.
Yeah, people who are doing EM2WL don't go around telling everyone to eat over their TDEE, they tell people to check out the group which defines what it is or they tell the person how it works. It's the people who don't know what it is who don't read threads fully and don't read the definitions that make comments like the ones in this thread.
FIST PUMP !
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You are eating WAY too little for all that exercise. Cut back on the cardio to only maybe 3 times a week, you're over-doing it and work on FULL body weight lifting 3 times a week instead of just upper body.
Edited to say that I eat as much as you WITHOUT doing any exercise and will keep losing so eat up!!0 -
I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
This. It really comes down to calories in and out. Eating over your TDEE is not going to get you where you need to be. Also, I don't of many fat anormexics (though I"m not advocating developing anorexia), so yeah, eating less will get you thin, period.
No one said to eat over your TDEE. You obviously didn't read anything.
And you lack reading comprehension skills. I don't care to read about EM2WL, I'm doing fine. I said it should be made clear to people like the OP. Maybe point that person to whatever group you're talking about. I don't give a crap about it.0 -
I would think with the workout and cardio I do I could eat anything and burn it off...probably not though
This was my downfall! I joined the gym two years ago and was doing cardio classes 4-5 days a week and didn't change my eating habits. I initially lost10 pounds but couldn't budge from there. I had the same exact thought "I'm working out hard so I can eat all this stuff and it won't hurt!" Once I started using MFP and actually paying attention to my food consumption I then lost the rest of the weight.
P.S. I eat ice cream or cookies ever day
ETA: after reading the rest of the posts and your calorie consumption, sounds like you need to eat more. Do you eat your exercise calories? Also you have to "eat more" for more than a couple days (more like a month) before you can say it doesn't work.0 -
I think you read too much into things...I've read your comments in your previous threads. You mention that people in your life are concerned you're too thin. It also sounds like you have an unhealthy relationship with the scale as well. I really think you should be more concerned about seeing a professional to help you, rather than with the answer to this thread.0
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I watched the video, not sure who this guy is but i can show you tons of different videos on You Tube and many people have different ideas of what is right...some say cardio everyday is fine and works...others say no...so what do you do....I dont do 1 hr of cardio everyday...I do Tabatas one day then cardio etc but usually 7 days a week...so If I take a day off a week and bump my carbs/calories ??
Again I dont want to loose weight just be and feel healthy...thank you all for your ideas/ help0 -
I'd would just like to say I think it's awesome how much you lost and your dedication to getting slim and healthy. Just need to change things a little now.0
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I'd would just like to say I think it's awesome how much you lost and your dedication to getting slim and healthy. Just need to change things a little now.
Thank you, the thing about my story that most find interesting is this....I started biking over 2 yrs ago to try and be more active and my wife was into biking. I bought a bike and started riding...then I got hooked...I also dropped 20 pounds off my 198 pound stocky frame..
A few times while riding and after a trip to Maine riding the mts and mountain climbing I had a funny weird pressure in my center chest..I told my wife and she said " sounds like a muscle pain" So it happened a few more times so I went to my GP..he did blood work..it was great...ekg...great...echo...great...sumed it up as a "pulled muscle"
Later that week while biking it happened again..I went to a hill and biked up it and the pressure returned...it left when I stopped...I called my GP from the road side and told him I wanted an apt with a cardio Dr...I knew one that was very good...they had me in the next day...repeat tests all looked and sounded great..BUT....he wanted to see me back the next day to do an echo stress test...
My wife was not going to show up and everyone told me they will find nothing....so i went and I ran and I ran and I ran...kept my hr at 160....no pain..did the echo..called me in his office...2 hrs later at the local heart hospital getting an angiogram...98% blocked LAD !!!!
Surgeon said I would have had a fatal heart attack he felt very soon.....so he told me when I asked him what to do now...he said he put in a 4mm stent...stay the night then go home and get back on your bike !
So thats what I di..then added in running and got up to 5 miles in 40 minutes and dropped another 30 pounds from the 20 I had already lost...
So...this may drive my exercise madness
Since I have had a nuclear stress test last year...PERFECT...he said " not even a glitch".......not to pat myself on the back but mainly due to my persistance and not having a solid answer I was given a second chance...IF I had listened to my GP well.......
He did call me the folowing Monday and said he couldnt believe it, he never would have thought I had any cardio issues...he did say " anyone comes to me with weird chest pressure/pain issues from now on, they are getting an apt with a cardio dr."
So for once my type A personality paid off....
I have no restrictions and we have been back to Maine twice biking and climbing since...no problems...I cross country ski,bike,run, HITT Tabatas etc....I have noticed that now my resting hr is 43...and when I workout and have my hr in the 130/140 range and stop my heart rate drops back to under 100 in less than a minute !
Sometimes thats a pain if im biking and trying to keep it in range...
Sorry for the boring story but I love telling people !0 -
Have you watched these videos on youtube? Jayme explains the "eat more to weigh less" idea much better than I've ever heard anyone explain it.
Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Iw1thBlLA&list=PLVwQ7YhTZN0Lc7UEIllW_asNTNVcS71F3
Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypygfB3wKVs&list=PLVwQ7YhTZN0Lc7UEIllW_asNTNVcS71F3
I would like to emphasize this. Seriously my FAVORITE videos about weight loss. She will explain everything perfectly.0 -
It worked for me. I bumped up the number of calories I was eating and continued to lose weight at the same rate as when I was eating less. I don't know about you, but I'd like to eat as many calories as I can for the same rate of weight loss. Worth experimenting to find your optimal intake imo. I'd do this by gradually decreasing your calories until your rate of weight loss seems to flat line than the other way around.0
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I think the whole notion of eating more to weigh less is BS. Not everyone can EAT MORE and some ppl need to EAT LESS. It's very individual. Find out what you're TDEE is and just eat below that.
This. It really comes down to calories in and out. Eating over your TDEE is not going to get you where you need to be. Also, I don't of many fat anormexics (though I"m not advocating developing anorexia), so yeah, eating less will get you thin, period.
No one said to eat over your TDEE. You obviously didn't read anything.
And you lack reading comprehension skills. I don't care to read about EM2WL, I'm doing fine. I said it should be made clear to people like the OP. Maybe point that person to whatever group you're talking about. I don't give a crap about it.
I am not a part of that group. But not one person said to eat over your TDEE. So maybe you should check your skills. That doesn't even make sense.0 -
I'd would just like to say I think it's awesome how much you lost and your dedication to getting slim and healthy. Just need to change things a little now.
Thank you, the thing about my story that most find interesting is this....I started biking over 2 yrs ago to try and be more active and my wife was into biking. I bought a bike and started riding...then I got hooked...I also dropped 20 pounds off my 198 pound stocky frame..
A few times while riding and after a trip to Maine riding the mts and mountain climbing I had a funny weird pressure in my center chest..I told my wife and she said " sounds like a muscle pain" So it happened a few more times so I went to my GP..he did blood work..it was great...ekg...great...echo...great...sumed it up as a "pulled muscle"
Later that week while biking it happened again..I went to a hill and biked up it and the pressure returned...it left when I stopped...I called my GP from the road side and told him I wanted an apt with a cardio Dr...I knew one that was very good...they had me in the next day...repeat tests all looked and sounded great..BUT....he wanted to see me back the next day to do an echo stress test...
My wife was not going to show up and everyone told me they will find nothing....so i went and I ran and I ran and I ran...kept my hr at 160....no pain..did the echo..called me in his office...2 hrs later at the local heart hospital getting an angiogram...98% blocked LAD !!!!
Surgeon said I would have had a fatal heart attack he felt very soon.....so he told me when I asked him what to do now...he said he put in a 4mm stent...stay the night then go home and get back on your bike !
So thats what I di..then added in running and got up to 5 miles in 40 minutes and dropped another 30 pounds from the 20 I had already lost...
So...this may drive my exercise madness Since I have had a nuclear stress test last year...PERFECT...he said " not even a glitch".......not to pat myself on the back but mainly due to my persistance and not having a solid answer I was given a second chance...IF I had listened to my GP well.......
He did call me the folowing Monday and said he couldnt believe it, he never would have thought I had any cardio issues...he did say " anyone comes to me with weird chest pressure/pain issues from now on, they are getting an apt with a cardio dr."
So for once my type A personality paid off....
I have no restrictions and we have been back to Maine twice biking and climbing since...no problems...I cross country ski,bike,run, HITT Tabatas etc....I have noticed that now my resting hr is 43...and when I workout and have my hr in the 130/140 range and stop my heart rate drops back to under 100 in less than a minute !
Sometimes thats a pain if im biking and trying to keep it in range...
Sorry for the boring story but I love telling people !
That's awesome! I can totally understand why you are right into the cardio then. Could be time to cut it back a little though. Maybe talk to your doc about that.0 -
Last week I ate a net average of 1552 calories/day and lost 4.25lbs (with three 30-minute walks).
This week I ate a net average of 1828 calories/day and lost 7.25lbs (with no exercise at all).0 -
Last week I ate a net average of 1552 calories/day and lost 4.25lbs (with three 30-minute walks).
This week I ate a net average of 1828 calories/day and lost 7.25lbs (with no exercise at all).
what was in the 1800 calories ??0 -
Food.Last week I ate a net average of 1552 calories/day and lost 4.25lbs (with three 30-minute walks).
This week I ate a net average of 1828 calories/day and lost 7.25lbs (with no exercise at all).
what was in the 1800 calories ??
Same as in the 1550 calories.0 -
Last week I ate a net average of 1552 calories/day and lost 4.25lbs (with three 30-minute walks).
This week I ate a net average of 1828 calories/day and lost 7.25lbs (with no exercise at all).
what was in the 1800 calories ??
It really doesn't matter too much what is in those 1800 calories, even if it's all crappy foods like McDonalds as long as they are in a deficit they will lose. Your macros which is what you are eating (fat, protein, carbs) have more to do with your health than weight loss.0
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