everyne says " eat more to loose weight " bs ??
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I have no help to offer, just want to be able to find this thread again for the entertainment value.0
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How does that make them look "not so bright"?Here's an answer from a registered dietitian so you don't have to take my word for it. BTW, he also confirmed that there is no such thing as starvation mode and your body does not hold onto fat if you eat so little. A registered dietition holds a license that allows him or her to legally work and set food guidelines in a hospital, public school, prison, or anything of that nature.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/755899-registered-dietitian-in-tx-here-to-answer-questions3. If you "have tried everything and cannot lose weight" or if you're eating "x amount of calories and still can't lose weight." my answer will always be the same- you are eating too many calories. Be consistent with your current intake and cut by 10-20% while making sure you are getting enough protein. Make sure you are correct with your portion sizes and choosing the right foods in the MFP. In other words, if you can't lose weight- you need to eat less and exercise more.
Sorta makes all the name callers and trouble makers that responded " eat more " look not so bright
Let's say you're consuming 1000 calories per day. You do cardio and weight training. Your weight stalls. You then start to slowly add calories back in and you start to drop weight again.
Once again, how does that make them look "not so bright"?0 -
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How long did you start seeing diminishing weight loss on the way down and finally how long with no changes, eating at what you thought should have been a deficit?
How long did you eat more to give your metabolism a chance to recover? You should have allowed the same amount of time.
Now you see why so many fail to move into maintenance. They've ruined their metabolism that they are basically at maintenance already. With very little room for movement of calories. Splurge meal turns into eating surplus and fat gain, instead of just the metabolism increasing for a bit.
It does apply to everyone. Everyone can hammer their metabolism into the ground such that it's much slower than expected, either because of outright slowness, or because of muscle-mass loss and that would be expected, just unknown to the person.
Or usually a combo of the two. Muscle mass is lost, so metabolism of course goes down from that, but then it goes down even further than expected.
How easy it is to accomplish that depends on genetics and stress the body is willing to deal with, and how many times it's seen the insanity before.
I noticed my weight flatlining for about the last 6 or so months...I would go up and down 1 to 2 pounds but pretty much stay the same...I always questioned this sites calculator saying " you will eigh 130 pounds after 3 weeks of eating like this " when I completed my daily diary..it just aint so !
So at this point given my cardio and exercise routine what would YOU suggest I do at this point..Im happy with my weigh, my Dr is happy too...I would like to loose or tighten up some belly flab but other than that im ok...I do get hungry and wishy washie feeling at times during the day...
Am I ok to keep up my daily workouts or do I need days off..I DONT want to out on weight I would like to stay here
So took awhile to get into the state, will take awhile to get out. At least if you already invested 6 months in to not seeming to make any progress, then a few more won't matter.
In this study of men doing lifting at maintenance, no gain or loss of weight for 16 weeks, they actually traded 3.5 lbs of fat for LBM (sadly they didn't measure muscle, but some likely was muscle too).
The problem is, finding what is maintenance for that level of activity. Is it when there is no loss or gain, maintenance must therefore be met?
There's a whole group of rightly skeptical women that started doing EM2WL and only upped their calories slowly, weeks at a time, and on each raise saw no weight loss or gain. Which one was truly maintenance? The one right before they gained weight for several weeks on end. No minor jump for a week.
No movement in weight except up, because if really eating at maintenance, or the body is stressed enough to suppress metabolism and indeed, that means maintenance too, just not what it could be.
I mention that because it's awfully hard to make body improvements when the body would actually like more energy to do basic stuff with before building more muscle.
Here's study though.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/778012-potential-muscle-gain-lifting-and-metabolism-improvement
At least with gain of LBM, your metabolism can go up. 7% for them in those 16 weeks. Not too bad.
Any cardio done should support the ability to do heavy lifting.
No cardio day after lifting using the same muscles to high intensity and killing the repair process.
No cardio day before lifting to leave you tired while lifting. You want the load of the weight to make you tired, not the fact you are still recovering from day before.
At maintenance, should be able to see weight increases on big compound lifts every couple weeks.
Since fat loss shows up easiest with measurement of inches, you want many spots. Problem areas and areas you want to see improve from lifting.0 -
Ok I flatlined at 140 / 141 which is fine..I workout everyday..mostly cardio, weights fro upper body 3 times a week, Tabata HIT 3 times a week, then either run, bike, cross country ski for an hour every other day...I dont do my diary everyday because I eat the same things week after week...but every time I splurge a little like last night...few slices of pizza and 4 chicken wings and 1 beer...up 2 pounds the next day...
So IF I eat more to jump start and loose more I feel I will GAIN weight...maybe I shouldnt be doing cardio to loose weight maybe a few days of lower heart rate stuff ????
You are carrying water weight...
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eating more to lose IS complete bull. My body maintains and somewhat loses weight at 1000-1200 calories a day. And im a teenage guy. These calculators and doctors opinions are a joke, everyone is different0
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Okay buddy.eating more to lose IS complete bull. My body maintains and somewhat loses weight at 1000-1200 calories a day. And im a teenage guy. These calculators and doctors opinions are a joke, everyone is different0 -
eating more to lose IS complete bull. My body maintains and somewhat loses weight at 1000-1200 calories a day. And im a teenage guy. These calculators and doctors opinions are a joke, everyone is different
So you have a complete different set of organs? *Mind is blown*0 -
eating more to lose IS complete bull. My body maintains and somewhat loses weight at 1000-1200 calories a day. And im a teenage guy. These calculators and doctors opinions are a joke, everyone is different
You are a 19 year guy who maintains at 1,200, who I also notice is 190lb? If that is correct you should see a doctor.
Also, how do you know? You only started here within the last 3 days.0 -
im 53 yr old male...height is about 5'8" tall
and you weigh 140-141lbs and YOU ARE COMPLAINING???
SERIOUSLY???????
ok, I'm just gonna shut up now before I say something to discredit myself.0 -
Two things happen as you get older:
a) bone density decreases
b) muscle tissue atrophies
You need to get your *kitten* together and sort this out before you do yourself permanent damage. You're not an 18 year old girl who can learn from her mistakes and make a full recovery. You're already 53 and the natural processes of ageing are already having negative effects - your behaviour is contributing to speed up these effects.
However, you're not going to listen to anyone here. You've posted a thread calling a method for kickstarting people's weight-loss BS without truly understanding it. You've argued with everyone and anyone who've given you good advice. You will not learn, you will continue to make the same mistakes. Why have you wasted your and other people's time in this manner? It makes no sense to me......0 -
eating more to lose IS complete bull. My body maintains and somewhat loses weight at 1000-1200 calories a day. And im a teenage guy. These calculators and doctors opinions are a joke, everyone is different
Long-standing or current excuse?0 -
One thing I have found out during my weight loss is that everyone is different. Would be boring if we were all the same!
I'm m57 and after a first career of burning 6000-8000 calories a day, my second career was either driving, or sitting behind a desk. Needless to say the weight piled on.
In my 20's I ran sub 3hr marathons and sub 4min miles. No amount of fitness/diet at my age is going to get me back to doing that - that was very hard to accept.
Ive have the 'eat more' message lots and tried that method. For me, it hasn't mad a difference. I'm still 5lbs off my goal. But I was happy to get through the Christmas holidays without putting on weight.
The main thing I have noticed is that at first weight fell off me, now it is a lot harder. I do feel much better though!0 -
How does that make them look "not so bright"?Here's an answer from a registered dietitian so you don't have to take my word for it. BTW, he also confirmed that there is no such thing as starvation mode and your body does not hold onto fat if you eat so little. A registered dietition holds a license that allows him or her to legally work and set food guidelines in a hospital, public school, prison, or anything of that nature.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/755899-registered-dietitian-in-tx-here-to-answer-questions3. If you "have tried everything and cannot lose weight" or if you're eating "x amount of calories and still can't lose weight." my answer will always be the same- you are eating too many calories. Be consistent with your current intake and cut by 10-20% while making sure you are getting enough protein. Make sure you are correct with your portion sizes and choosing the right foods in the MFP. In other words, if you can't lose weight- you need to eat less and exercise more.
Sorta makes all the name callers and trouble makers that responded " eat more " look not so bright
Let's say you're consuming 1000 calories per day. You do cardio and weight training. Your weight stalls. You then start to slowly add calories back in and you start to drop weight again.
Once again, how does that make them look "not so bright"?
Ok lets see....I eat far more than 1000 cals a day,,,yet most here say "eat more" but we see what the professional said...big dif0 -
Two things happen as you get older:
a) bone density decreases
b) muscle tissue atrophies
You need to get your *kitten* together and sort this out before you do yourself permanent damage. You're not an 18 year old girl who can learn from her mistakes and make a full recovery. You're already 53 and the natural processes of ageing are already having negative effects - your behaviour is contributing to speed up these effects.
However, you're not going to listen to anyone here. You've posted a thread calling a method for kickstarting people's weight-loss BS without truly understanding it. You've argued with everyone and anyone who've given you good advice. You will not learn, you will continue to make the same mistakes. Why have you wasted your and other people's time in this manner? It makes no sense to me......
The only one I have "argued" with are the name callers .....good sound advise is always welcome BUT IF you read you will note NOT ALL agree with the eat more....0 -
One thing I have found out during my weight loss is that everyone is different. Would be boring if we were all the same!
I'm m57 and after a first career of burning 6000-8000 calories a day, my second career was either driving, or sitting behind a desk. Needless to say the weight piled on.
In my 20's I ran sub 3hr marathons and sub 4min miles. No amount of fitness/diet at my age is going to get me back to doing that - that was very hard to accept.
Ive have the 'eat more' message lots and tried that method. For me, it hasn't mad a difference. I'm still 5lbs off my goal. But I was happy to get through the Christmas holidays without putting on weight.
The main thing I have noticed is that at first weight fell off me, now it is a lot harder. I do feel much better though!
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Only thing that is BS is you starting this topic, what will be more bs is the people in here that agree with you that complain when they hit a plateau eating 1200 calories and need help to keep losing..
From your original post, your stuck where you are, and you will see weight gain from eating pizza.. if you start eating normally for someone your age/height and a male you are going to gain weight.. your body adjusts to your eating habits.. so if you start eating more your body will need to readjust and you will gain weight during that period.. Starvation? Nope.. You have adapted.0 -
No, you've just ****ed up your metabolism. I'm guessing you've eaten too little for a loooong time.eating more to lose IS complete bull. My body maintains and somewhat loses weight at 1000-1200 calories a day. And im a teenage guy. These calculators and doctors opinions are a joke, everyone is different0 -
Two things happen as you get older:
a) bone density decreases
b) muscle tissue atrophies
You need to get your *kitten* together and sort this out before you do yourself permanent damage. You're not an 18 year old girl who can learn from her mistakes and make a full recovery. You're already 53 and the natural processes of ageing are already having negative effects - your behaviour is contributing to speed up these effects.
However, you're not going to listen to anyone here. You've posted a thread calling a method for kickstarting people's weight-loss BS without truly understanding it. You've argued with everyone and anyone who've given you good advice. You will not learn, you will continue to make the same mistakes. Why have you wasted your and other people's time in this manner? It makes no sense to me......
The only one I have "argued" with are the name callers .....good sound advise is always welcome BUT IF you read you will note NOT ALL agree with the eat more....
"Eat more to lose weight" doesn't mean "eat more than your TDEE and lose weight". That would be magic.
It means you're eating too far below your TDEE and have likely stalled yourself. As you raise your calories back up to something approaching your TDEE, then you can get over this stall as your metabolism kicks back up....
If you're near to your goal, you should be close to your TDEE anyway so that you're not losing LBM (or too much of it) along with fat.0 -
If you put the amount of time you spent stirring things up on line into your weight loss you'd have reached your goals by now.
If what you're doing isn't working, just try something else. (besides arguing with strangers around the world)0 -
How does that make them look "not so bright"?Here's an answer from a registered dietitian so you don't have to take my word for it. BTW, he also confirmed that there is no such thing as starvation mode and your body does not hold onto fat if you eat so little. A registered dietition holds a license that allows him or her to legally work and set food guidelines in a hospital, public school, prison, or anything of that nature.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/755899-registered-dietitian-in-tx-here-to-answer-questions3. If you "have tried everything and cannot lose weight" or if you're eating "x amount of calories and still can't lose weight." my answer will always be the same- you are eating too many calories. Be consistent with your current intake and cut by 10-20% while making sure you are getting enough protein. Make sure you are correct with your portion sizes and choosing the right foods in the MFP. In other words, if you can't lose weight- you need to eat less and exercise more.
Sorta makes all the name callers and trouble makers that responded " eat more " look not so bright
Let's say you're consuming 1000 calories per day. You do cardio and weight training. Your weight stalls. You then start to slowly add calories back in and you start to drop weight again.
Once again, how does that make them look "not so bright"?
Ok lets see....I eat far more than 1000 cals a day,,,yet most here say "eat more" but we see what the professional said...big dif
What do you think is your current TDEE?
What deficit have you set to lose weight?
You may have set it too large.
With only a few lbs left to go, you should be aiming for a small deficit, not making it larger.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/why-big-caloric-deficits-and-lots-of-activity-can-hurt-fat-loss.html
http://www.fitwatch.com/weight-loss/3500-calories-to-lose-a-pound-is-this-formula-all-wrong-237.html0 -
Only thing that is BS is you starting this topic, what will be more bs is the people in here that agree with you that complain when they hit a plateau eating 1200 calories and need help to keep losing..
From your original post, your stuck where you are, and you will see weight gain from eating pizza.. if you start eating normally for someone your age/height and a male you are going to gain weight.. your body adjusts to your eating habits.. so if you start eating more your body will need to readjust and you will gain weight during that period.. Starvation? Nope.. You have adapted.
This is YOUR opinion...thank you !0 -
If you put the amount of time you spent stirring things up on line into your weight loss you'd have reached your goals by now.
If what you're doing isn't working, just try something else. (besides arguing with strangers around the world)
If I quit wastig my time responding to ...well people like YOU that is...im done and will not waste my time with "pot stiring" people you all seem to NOT be able to read....where did I say i hadnt "reached my goals' ONE LAST TIME...THIS POST WAS MENT TO SAY THE CALCULATOR IS BS...IT KEEPS TELLING ME I WILL WEIGH 130 POUNDS IN 3 WEEKS...ITS WRONG....ITS BS......THATS ALL NOW GO AWAY POT STIRING NON HELPING BLOW HARDS.... There
Thank you for the people that do tend to offer good advise and help...0 -
How does that make them look "not so bright"?Here's an answer from a registered dietitian so you don't have to take my word for it. BTW, he also confirmed that there is no such thing as starvation mode and your body does not hold onto fat if you eat so little. A registered dietition holds a license that allows him or her to legally work and set food guidelines in a hospital, public school, prison, or anything of that nature.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/755899-registered-dietitian-in-tx-here-to-answer-questions3. If you "have tried everything and cannot lose weight" or if you're eating "x amount of calories and still can't lose weight." my answer will always be the same- you are eating too many calories. Be consistent with your current intake and cut by 10-20% while making sure you are getting enough protein. Make sure you are correct with your portion sizes and choosing the right foods in the MFP. In other words, if you can't lose weight- you need to eat less and exercise more.
Sorta makes all the name callers and trouble makers that responded " eat more " look not so bright
Let's say you're consuming 1000 calories per day. You do cardio and weight training. Your weight stalls. You then start to slowly add calories back in and you start to drop weight again.
Once again, how does that make them look "not so bright"?
Ok lets see....I eat far more than 1000 cals a day,,,yet most here say "eat more" but we see what the professional said...big dif
What do you think is your current TDEE?
What deficit have you set to lose weight?
You may have set it too large.
With only a few lbs left to go, you should be aiming for a small deficit, not making it larger.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/why-big-caloric-deficits-and-lots-of-activity-can-hurt-fat-loss.html
http://www.fitwatch.com/weight-loss/3500-calories-to-lose-a-pound-is-this-formula-all-wrong-237.html
Ok this is NOT what I think rather what the calculators say my TDEE is I have check 3 different onliine ones and they say between 2500 and 2700 given my height,weight and exercise routine....im 53 yrs old, weigh 141 pounds give or take..sleep 9 hrs a night...am very active, work outside, shovel snow, mow lawns, hunt etc...I work out cardio min of 70 minutes a day....do alot of walking also...my work out is keeping my heart rate between 75 and 80 % of MHR
Now what do YOU say my TDEE is ?0 -
How does that make them look "not so bright"?Here's an answer from a registered dietitian so you don't have to take my word for it. BTW, he also confirmed that there is no such thing as starvation mode and your body does not hold onto fat if you eat so little. A registered dietition holds a license that allows him or her to legally work and set food guidelines in a hospital, public school, prison, or anything of that nature.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/755899-registered-dietitian-in-tx-here-to-answer-questions3. If you "have tried everything and cannot lose weight" or if you're eating "x amount of calories and still can't lose weight." my answer will always be the same- you are eating too many calories. Be consistent with your current intake and cut by 10-20% while making sure you are getting enough protein. Make sure you are correct with your portion sizes and choosing the right foods in the MFP. In other words, if you can't lose weight- you need to eat less and exercise more.
Sorta makes all the name callers and trouble makers that responded " eat more " look not so bright
Let's say you're consuming 1000 calories per day. You do cardio and weight training. Your weight stalls. You then start to slowly add calories back in and you start to drop weight again.
Once again, how does that make them look "not so bright"?
Ok lets see....I eat far more than 1000 cals a day,,,yet most here say "eat more" but we see what the professional said...big dif
What do you think is your current TDEE?
What deficit have you set to lose weight?
You may have set it too large.
With only a few lbs left to go, you should be aiming for a small deficit, not making it larger.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/why-big-caloric-deficits-and-lots-of-activity-can-hurt-fat-loss.html
http://www.fitwatch.com/weight-loss/3500-calories-to-lose-a-pound-is-this-formula-all-wrong-237.html
Ok this is NOT what I think rather what the calculators say my TDEE is I have check 3 different onliine ones and they say between 2500 and 2700 given my height,weight and exercise routine....im 53 yrs old, weigh 141 pounds give or take..sleep 9 hrs a night...am very active, work outside, shovel snow, mow lawns, hunt etc...I work out cardio min of 70 minutes a day....do alot of walking also...my work out is keeping my heart rate between 75 and 80 % of MHR
Now what do YOU say my TDEE is ?
If that were my calculations I'd have eaten 2000 calories when starting out, and I'd eat around 2100-2300 when I was at my last few pounds.
How many calories are you actually eating?
At your age/fitness you should be able to maintain on 2500, and the only way to test that out is to actually do it.
I don't mean to jump from where you are now to 2500 immediately, but add 100 per week, until you hit 2500, and then stay there for a few weeks to see what happens.0 -
How does that make them look "not so bright"?Here's an answer from a registered dietitian so you don't have to take my word for it. BTW, he also confirmed that there is no such thing as starvation mode and your body does not hold onto fat if you eat so little. A registered dietition holds a license that allows him or her to legally work and set food guidelines in a hospital, public school, prison, or anything of that nature.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/755899-registered-dietitian-in-tx-here-to-answer-questions3. If you "have tried everything and cannot lose weight" or if you're eating "x amount of calories and still can't lose weight." my answer will always be the same- you are eating too many calories. Be consistent with your current intake and cut by 10-20% while making sure you are getting enough protein. Make sure you are correct with your portion sizes and choosing the right foods in the MFP. In other words, if you can't lose weight- you need to eat less and exercise more.
Sorta makes all the name callers and trouble makers that responded " eat more " look not so bright
Let's say you're consuming 1000 calories per day. You do cardio and weight training. Your weight stalls. You then start to slowly add calories back in and you start to drop weight again.
Once again, how does that make them look "not so bright"?
Ok lets see....I eat far more than 1000 cals a day,,,yet most here say "eat more" but we see what the professional said...big dif
What do you think is your current TDEE?
What deficit have you set to lose weight?
You may have set it too large.
With only a few lbs left to go, you should be aiming for a small deficit, not making it larger.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/why-big-caloric-deficits-and-lots-of-activity-can-hurt-fat-loss.html
http://www.fitwatch.com/weight-loss/3500-calories-to-lose-a-pound-is-this-formula-all-wrong-237.html
Ok this is NOT what I think rather what the calculators say my TDEE is I have check 3 different onliine ones and they say between 2500 and 2700 given my height,weight and exercise routine....im 53 yrs old, weigh 141 pounds give or take..sleep 9 hrs a night...am very active, work outside, shovel snow, mow lawns, hunt etc...I work out cardio min of 70 minutes a day....do alot of walking also...my work out is keeping my heart rate between 75 and 80 % of MHR
Now what do YOU say my TDEE is ?
If that were my calculations I'd have eaten 2000 calories when starting out, and I'd eat around 2100-2300 when I was at my last few pounds.
How many calories are you actually eating?
At your age/fitness you should be able to maintain on 2500, and the only way to test that out is to actually do it.
I would say im around 15-1800 ? so lets say I want to mix up my workouts...I do cardio pretty much everyday and mix in upper body weights 3 times a week....
I dont take any days off...I do enjoy my cycling and cross country skiing so I dont want to stop that...I do Tabatas HIIT a few times a week...
Is there a site I can go to and print out a GOOD routine to follow for a while and try to add more protein to my diet ???
I have a full universal gym in my basement along with a Nordiac trac ski machine and sta. bike too...I still want to do my running too but maybe I SHOULD be doing like 2 days a week cardio, 2 days a week weights...a rest day ( that will kill me
) ??? Thats why im looking for a site that I can taylor a workout for ME
Thanks for your help
I don't mean to jump from where you are now to 2500 immediately, but add 100 per week, until you hit 2500, and then stay there for a few weeks to see what happens.0 -
"Eat more to weigh less" is obviously a shorthand, it's not just a case of consuming more automatically leading to weight loss: it means making sure you eat enough to stop your metabolism stalling, and enough of the right things.
This ^^ It's just a catch phrase that doesn't really describe what is meant very well at all IMO.0 -
Im trying to figure out if I SHOULD be doing weights like 3 times a week, mix in my cardio on off days or the same days with rest day in between..or just keep doing my cardio 7 days a week and mix in weights ????
If i could find a good online source and copy it onto my calander then I would have my schedule....and how important are total rest days ??? some say they are not needed others say they are0 -
Stop doing cardio 7 days a week - its counter productive and not clever...Do weights 3 -4x per week - as heavy as you can, and cardio 2 days a week....You do need rest - so take at least one day of doing nothing....
Start eating more and better - You can look up P90X - the schedule for the classic online - you don't have to do that - just arrange your weight and cardio training like that....0 -
Stop doing cardio 7 days a week - its counter productive and not clever...Do weights 3 -4x per week - as heavy as you can, and cardio 2 days a week....You do need rest - so take at least one day of doing nothing....
Start eating more and better - You can look up P90X - the schedule for the classic online - you don't have to do that - just arrange your weight and cardio training like that....
I wonder IF cardio 2 times a week is enough so I dont loose my " wind" I have built up ?? Also does P90X tell how lond to do the weight, how many sets ?? etc ?
Thank you0
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