Is bread generally fattening?

SideSteel

Nothing is stored as fat unless there is a suprlus of calories.

And i"m not sure why a bagel is worse than a donut. I would not go back to a nutritionist who told me I should eat a donut over a bagel. The donut has more sugar... more fat... most likely more sodium... the bagel has more nutrients. I fail to see why a donut should be eaten over a bagel. While a bagel is not the greatest of foods out there, there is nothing wrong with eating it... and it is definately better than a donut.

evidently you need to do some research about GI

Evidently you do too:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/532251-let-s-talk-about-the-gi-index
http://alanaragon.com/glycemic-index



http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/4/742.full.pdf
http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html
http://www.ajcn.org/content/74/1/96.full
http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/3/707.abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16177201
http://www.ajcn.org/content/85/4/1023.abstract?ijkey=57903af923cb2fcdc065ffd37b00a32e22f4c5cf&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17923862
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2006.00225.x/full

SideSteel

Nothing is stored as fat unless there is a suprlus of calories.

And i"m not sure why a bagel is worse than a donut. I would not go back to a nutritionist who told me I should eat a donut over a bagel. The donut has more sugar... more fat... most likely more sodium... the bagel has more nutrients. I fail to see why a donut should be eaten over a bagel. While a bagel is not the greatest of foods out there, there is nothing wrong with eating it... and it is definately better than a donut.

evidently you need to do some research about GI.

although i'd agree that over time at least if you calories net out to zero then your not going to gain any fat, that is the function of insulin.

You can still store fat in a caloric surplus when insulin levels are low due to HSL supression.

No_Finish_Line

i'm not saying that bread is going to automatically make you fat.

i'm saying it typically has a high glycemic index, which is typically going to cause and insulin response.

insulin will drive excess carbs in the blood stream to be stored in fat cells (among other places).

please point out which statement is factually wrong?

No_Finish_Line

You can still store fat in a caloric surplus when insulin levels are low due to HSL supression.

i think were all on board with over eating can put weigth on you... or am i missing something?

SideSteel

You can still store fat in a caloric surplus when insulin levels are low due to HSL supression.

i think were all on board with over eating can put weigth on you... or am i missing something?

Regarding your previous statement about insulin -- you are essentially focusing on the acute things rather than the bigger picture.

In a calorie deficit, fat oxidation exceeds fat storage. In a caloric surplus, fat storage exceeds fat oxidation. One can quite easily create an energy deficit and successfully lose fat without ever paying any attention to glycemic index or acute insulin response (although for performance/behavioral reasons one may need to monitor it, or for obvious things like diabetes).


Specifically regarding insulin, I'd recommend reading this link and the attached research supporting it.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Regarding Glycemic Index and why generally speaking it's pretty much useless, I'd again refer you to this excellent post by Acg. I know you may think it's "an MFP post therefore who cares" but he's attached relevant research to support it. Also check out Alan Aragon's post below:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/532251-let-s-talk-about-the-gi-index
http://alanaragon.com/glycemic-index

No_Finish_Line

In a calorie deficit, fat oxidation exceeds fat storage. In a caloric surplus, fat storage exceeds fat oxidation. One can quite easily create an energy deficit and successfully lose fat without ever paying any attention to glycemic index or acute insulin response (although for performance/behavioral reasons one may need to monitor it, or for obvious things like diabetes).


Specifically regarding insulin, I'd recommend reading this link and the attached research supporting it.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Regarding Glycemic Index and why generally speaking it's pretty much useless, I'd again refer you to this excellent post by Acg. I know you may think it's "an MFP post therefore who cares" but he's attached relevant research to support it. Also check out Alan Aragon's post below:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/532251-let-s-talk-about-the-gi-index
http://alanaragon.com/glycemic-index

Thank you.

I will check that out. I was reading that one post, and it was quite well written, but i'll be honest, after a min i had exactly the reaction you said lol.

I'll check'em out though.

And i agree that in the big picture... as long as your honestly using more energy then you are taking in, there's really no way a normal body can be putting on weight. BUT, i still think its worth examining and understanding the fine points of how the body works... even tho for some this might end up in them not 'seeing the forest for the trees' kind of thing.

Under that logic... if everything is done in moderation and/or your coming in at a defecit then there really is no fattenting food. but, if were talking about what foods can be fattening if not 'used responsibly' so to speak, then i'd put bread pretty much at the top of the list.

And at the end of the day, even though it might not put weight on you, that doesn't mean there are not other health concerns attached to routinely eating high GI foods... but even then it would likely have to be to the extream that your eating so much you'd be putting on weight anyway.

SideSteel

In a calorie deficit, fat oxidation exceeds fat storage. In a caloric surplus, fat storage exceeds fat oxidation. One can quite easily create an energy deficit and successfully lose fat without ever paying any attention to glycemic index or acute insulin response (although for performance/behavioral reasons one may need to monitor it, or for obvious things like diabetes).


Specifically regarding insulin, I'd recommend reading this link and the attached research supporting it.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Regarding Glycemic Index and why generally speaking it's pretty much useless, I'd again refer you to this excellent post by Acg. I know you may think it's "an MFP post therefore who cares" but he's attached relevant research to support it. Also check out Alan Aragon's post below:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/532251-let-s-talk-about-the-gi-index
http://alanaragon.com/glycemic-index

Thank you.

I will check that out. I was reading that one post, and it was quite well written, but i'll be honest, after a min i had exactly the reaction you said lol.

I'll check'em out though.

And i agree that in the big picture... as long as your honestly using more energy then you are taking in, there's really no way a normal body can be putting on weight. BUT, i still think its worth examining and understanding the fine points of how the body works... even tho for some this might end up in them not 'seeing the forest for the trees' kind of thing.

Under that logic... if everything is done in moderation and/or your coming in at a defecit then there really is no fattenting food. but, if were talking about what foods can be fattening if not 'used responsibly' so to speak, then i'd put bread pretty much at the top of the list.

And at the end of the day, even though it might not put weight on you, that doesn't mean there are not other health concerns attached to routinely eating high GI foods... but even then it would likely have to be to the extream that your eating so much you'd be putting on weight anyway.

I think there's some merit to the idea that your entire allotment of carbs shouldn't be white bread or table sugar but thankfully the vast majority of people don't actually eat that way and therefore the extreme endpoints typically only exist in internet arguments and not as real life examples of dietary habits.

No_Finish_Line

I think there's some merit to the idea that your entire allotment of carbs shouldn't be white bread or table sugar but thankfully the vast majority of people don't actually eat that way and therefore the extreme endpoints typically only exist in internet arguments and not as real life examples of dietary habits.

I guess you've never met a memeber of my family lol.

idk bro i know an awful lot of people that ONLY drink soda or juice, only eat white bread and cant stand fruits or veggies.

Believe it or not some will try very dearly to hold onto these habbits while at the same time trying to lose weight or generally be healther. perhaps its a different topic altogether.

WendyTerry420

Check out the Wheat Belly facebook page also. 44,000 fans.

Justin Bieber also has a lot of fans. How on earth does number of facebook fans have any relevance here.

This is to clarify and help you get to the right page if you really want to go to the wheat belly facebook page. There are others which are fan pages. The page with 44,000 is moderated by Dr. William Davis, the Wheat Belly book author. He answers questions as he can.

SideSteel

I think there's some merit to the idea that your entire allotment of carbs shouldn't be white bread or table sugar but thankfully the vast majority of people don't actually eat that way and therefore the extreme endpoints typically only exist in internet arguments and not as real life examples of dietary habits.

I guess you've never met a memeber of my family lol.

Heh, I have a few in my family as well now that I think about it

CoachReddy

In a calorie deficit, fat oxidation exceeds fat storage. In a caloric surplus, fat storage exceeds fat oxidation. One can quite easily create an energy deficit and successfully lose fat without ever paying any attention to glycemic index or acute insulin response (although for performance/behavioral reasons one may need to monitor it, or for obvious things like diabetes).


Specifically regarding insulin, I'd recommend reading this link and the attached research supporting it.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Regarding Glycemic Index and why generally speaking it's pretty much useless, I'd again refer you to this excellent post by Acg. I know you may think it's "an MFP post therefore who cares" but he's attached relevant research to support it. Also check out Alan Aragon's post below:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/532251-let-s-talk-about-the-gi-index
http://alanaragon.com/glycemic-index

Thank you.

I will check that out. I was reading that one post, and it was quite well written, but i'll be honest, after a min i had exactly the reaction you said lol.

I'll check'em out though.

And i agree that in the big picture... as long as your honestly using more energy then you are taking in, there's really no way a normal body can be putting on weight. BUT, i still think its worth examining and understanding the fine points of how the body works... even tho for some this might end up in them not 'seeing the forest for the trees' kind of thing.

Under that logic... if everything is done in moderation and/or your coming in at a defecit then there really is no fattenting food. but, if were talking about what foods can be fattening if not 'used responsibly' so to speak, then i'd put bread pretty much at the top of the list.

And at the end of the day, even though it might not put weight on you, that doesn't mean there are not other health concerns attached to routinely eating high GI foods... but even then it would likely have to be to the extream that your eating so much you'd be putting on weight anyway.

I think there's some merit to the idea that your entire allotment of carbs shouldn't be white bread or table sugar but thankfully the vast majority of people don't actually eat that way and therefore the extreme endpoints typically only exist in internet arguments and not as real life examples of dietary habits.

the vast majority of americans DO eat that way.

LolBroScience

i'm not saying that bread is going to automatically make you fat.

i'm saying it typically has a high glycemic index, which is typically going to cause and insulin response.

insulin will drive excess carbs in the blood stream to be stored in fat cells (among other places).

please point out which statement is factually wrong?

The fact that the GI index is only relevant when a high glycemic carb is eaten as a stand alone. When it is eaten and mixed with proteins, fats, and fiber the effect is null and void.

No_Finish_Line

i'm not saying that bread is going to automatically make you fat.

i'm saying it typically has a high glycemic index, which is typically going to cause and insulin response.

insulin will drive excess carbs in the blood stream to be stored in fat cells (among other places).

please point out which statement is factually wrong?

The fact that the GI index is only relevant when a high glycemic carb is eaten as a stand alone. When it is eaten and mixed with proteins, fats, and fiber the effect is null and void.

i wouldn't say its null and void, but yes, pretty much anything you eat along with it is going to lower the GI... one reason why the nutritionist was saying that a donut is technically better then a bagel from a weight loss perspective.

LolBroScience

well, maybe not null and void... but lower to the the point where it isn't even considerable. I would assume most who are active/lift don't really consume carbs as a stand alone.

TotallyNotBillNye

Sorry guys, Insulin Resistance exists and if it is an issue for people then they need to know and change their consumption accordingly. Not everyone lifts, Not everyone metabolizes the same. Not everyone reacts the same. http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/prediabetesanddiabetes/a/insulinresistan.htm